Talk:Dreidel

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It is not exclusively Jewish, at least nowadays[edit]

In Portugal, in the first half of the 20th century (that I know) it was a popular children's game, called rapa (shave), tira (take), põe (put) e deixa (leave [alone]). the Portuguese Jews were driven out of the country in the 16th century. Even if the game was originally Jewish, it got adopted by other cultures which may keep no memory of the origins.188.37.65.167 (talk) 21:20, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

And I read somewhere that it was based on a German game called totem or something. I'd like to see more of the history of the game here. Enfascination (talk) 17:44, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it is a particularly Jewish game either. It is played in France and is calles "toton". Look at this famous 1735 painting by Chardin, "l'enfant au toton" (the child with the dreidel:

http://www.marcelinpleynet.fr/files/cache/c028f006fae4a3fe067b6a366f2df9f4.jpg

Oh well, I had noticed already that popular traditional stuff in Northern and Central Europe, like "latkes" and chocolate coins covered in gold paper are believed to be somehow Jewish in the US. 82.121.30.236 (talk) 13:10, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Untitled[edit]

The "braille dreidel" should be deleted or made a seperate article. It is an interesting tangent but it does not deserve that much article space relative to the major content. Lophoole 23:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)lophoole

yes, merge with sevivon. it's the same thing :) and I almost added the song to "dreidel". Amoruso 04:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

obviously a merge if it's just two names for the same object. FiveRings 00:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

it should be merged, as all of the information on the Sevivon page applies to dreidel, too. Tamajared 20:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Why is the main image for this article a Braille dreidel? I mean, it's an interesting picture, and could still be used on the page, lower down maybe. But I'd think for the main picture on the article, a standard traditional dreidel would be more appropriate. --Lurlock 21:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think so, too. Well Drawn Charlie 10:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

don't forget abraham

Also, The dreidel is different in Israel and outside israel. the Shin is replaced with a Pay because a great miracle happened HERE (Po) Can someone add this info?

Worth getting this page semi-protected?[edit]

I just put a comment on here about vandalism and as I was doing so Ukt-zero took it (the vandalism, not my comment) out :) - my original comment is now irrelevant so I've taken it out. I was wondering though if we should ask for this page to be semi-protected? Looking at the history there seems to be a lot of vandalism. Any thoughts? Groovycathers 22:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think definately. Well Drawn Charlie 10:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Game Rules[edit]

The rules of the dreidle game should be included in this article. ~Raz613

Seconded[edit]

Without the rules, this article is worthless. So there's the thing itself and a song -- but what on earth do you do with it, and what is it for? This "article" explains NOTHING! I'm left with more questions and NO answers. A pointless, pointless "article".



Poor Heading?[edit]

The heading : The More Well Known Lyrics should be changed as the lyrics that follow are from an entirelly a different song. Perhaps: Lyrics to Another Popular Hanukkah Song: Dreidel,Dreidel, Dreidel.

--Mrlizardy 15:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

in popular culture[edit]

I think removing this section was a mistake. I know there's an army of editors out there declaring war on trivia, but I believe showing that the dreidel exists in popular culture at all is significant. And I can't think of a better place for this kind of information. From the wikipedia style guide on trivia: "Such sections should not be categorically removed". But that's exactly what happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.224.55.174 (talk) 06:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

It's exactly like you said: people with some stupid agenda or with what appears to me to be a misunderstanding of wikipedia policy go around and remove "trivia" sections. Wikipedia doesn't like trivial items but that doesn't mean a trivia section, by whatever name, is inappropriate if the contents is otherwise appropriate (i.e. noteworthy and related to the article). While some of the pop. culture sections get filled with trivial items, that isn't an excuse to wholesale delete them on sight. In many articles there is no good way or need to add popular culture information within the rest of the article, and a seperate section is fine, imo. I'd readd it untill someone can justify the actions here or point to the poilcy that informed their decision.--Δζ (talk) 06:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Origins[edit]

Something must be said about the origins of the Dreidel, after all it did come from somehwere! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.4.119 (talk) 09:22, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Evan1975 (talk) 21:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Proved to be an unfair game[edit]

Source

Just found this article which shows that this game is unfair. According to Robert Feinerman, “An Ancient Unfair Game,” American Mathematical Monthly 83:623-625 the further you are from the first player the lower your chances of winning are.

If someone is able to access the American Mathmatical Monthly and edit this page accordingly I think this would be of benefit.95.145.16.69 (talk) 18:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Are dreidels themselves expected to be fair? Dice are expected to be fair, but dreidels are not dice and, to judge by the song, there is the expectation that they are hand made. That would lead to irregularities that affect fairness. I collect dice, but have only a single dreidel, a wood one similar to the top picture on the page currently. The one I have is clearly not precision made and not fair. It is not as irregular as the weighted dice I have, but still irregular. --Elijah (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Are these the "official" rules?[edit]

I live in Israel and we always had different rules, depending which magazine you read or what your parents feel like having you do.
Another dreidel game involves spinning it and singing the dreidel song ("Sevivon, sov sov sov, Hannukah hu chag tov...") trying to finish the song before it falls on its side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.14.108 (talk) 00:15, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

A question[edit]

Is the dreidel strictly an Ashkenazi cultural item? Is it present in other Jewish cultures? Komitsuki (talk) 15:50, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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Dreidel[edit]

Regarding the second paragraph, are the order of the letters and the acronyms out of order? The letters Shin (there) and Po (here) appear at the front of the acronym but are listed last. Perhaps it is as a result of how the phrase is translated. SquashEngineer (talk) 14:01, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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