Talk:Fantasy tropes

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This list is not informative about what these tropes are or why they are used or what their signficiance is in works. It should be rewriten into text. Goldfritha 02:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

original research?[edit]

We need references to works which discuss the overall subject matter, not just individual examples. Otherwise this compilation of "what fantasy tropes are there?" is nothing but original research.

In the end, without such references the page needs to go, no matter how useful it is.

Let's see if I can find a suitable template... CapnZapp (talk) 12:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


I know what the article's trying to say, and I can't think of a better way of putting it, but isn't "these settings are ... less typical of contemporary fantasy" equivilent to "fantasy set in the present day is not usually set in a medieval world"? Which is, well, obvious, really. Daibhid C (talk) 22:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I belive what you are looking for is urban fantasy , fantasy most comonly asositated with vampires ect. Note i think one of the problems this page is having that fantasy as a hole is a borad area with many sub genre that contrdict the rules prehaps focusing on pure fantasy and then mentioning the exceptions of veriuos major sub genres will help solve this problem. Please excuse any bad spelling as i am have dislexia and have other things to do today the check my spelling on this post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

The force?[edit]

The force shouldn't be here. It's not magic, and it's not from a fantasy. It's a natural ability, and it's science fiction. Feedback much appreciated. Since I cannot edit Wiki due to technical problems, somebody else will have to remove it. Thank you very much. Avianmosquito (talk) 14:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Do I need to pull out Clarke's Third Law? It's something that cannot be explained with current scientific principals. Hence, it fits a definition of magic to a degree. Personally, I dislike it when people assume that Magic and Technology are incompatible. Raekuul, bringer of Tropes (He does it without notability) 00:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
  • sorry it's magic, it's not a natural ability and it certainly is not SciFi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:13, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


Cut this for NPOV. Anything which describes a practice as "unfortunate" is not neutral. Goldfritha (talk) 03:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Many common fantasy themes depend on an unfortunately limited conceptualization of medieval patriarchy that governs relations between the sexes; in tandem with this, the fantasy heroine is often at her best when rising above conditions that are against her in gender-based ways. [1]

Thulsa Doom and Conan[edit]

Although Thulsa Doom appeared in the Conan movie he was an enemy of King Kull not Conan. More accurately it would be Thoth Amon. The wikipedia pages on Thulsa Doom and Thoth Amon are correct on this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merge of True Names in Popular Culture - Discussion[edit]

If anything the article true names in popular culture article should not be merged here, but merged with True Names instead. If moved it needs to be cleaned up too. It is mostly a miscellaneous list of information which is generally discouraged by Wikipedia standards. So long as the characters listed have a wikilink to the True Names page on their own respective wikipedia articles that should be sufficient. Another possibility is to create a category for "Characters with True Names" and add that category to various individual articles. -- Npd2983 (talk) 20:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


I have used "trope" in the sense of John Clute's use, more like "theme", but i see that trope is a more specific linguistic word outside of clutedom. I would suggest that this article be renamed "Fantasy themes", and the category be also renamed as such, to parallel the "Science fiction themes" category.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree; I came here in a general search for types of literary trope, and was bemused to find that it's not about tropes in any usual sense of the word at all. "Themes" would be a clearer and more accurate term. -- (talk) 10:32, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

We used to have a full article for fantasy races that covered them from various perspectives, with references to learned literature about them. Then someone went on a bit of a crusade on RPG-related pages, and we have this. SamBC(talk) 17:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
This should be under fantasy tropes, per main article on literary tropes and Category:Fantasy tropes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Merge for Dark Lord[edit]

Apparently, somebody thought it would be right to merge Dark Lord back into Fantasy tropes and conventions. I oppose the merge since we needed to put the full info on Dark Lords somewhere. What do you think? Rtkat3 (talk) 9:12, May 5 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Jane Tolmie, "Medievalism and the Fantasy Heroine." Journal of Gender Studies, Vol. 15, No. 2 July 2006, pp. 145–158. ISSN 0958-9236