Talk:Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front

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Reworked FMLN entry[edit]

I have done some work to fix the many problems with this page. I have fixed (and in some cases removed) much of the grammar and unclear English. I have added some information. I have removed things that were obviously not from a NPOV. There is still more work I'd like to do on this page, but I think that I have done enough to warrant removing the NPOV warning at the top as well as the 'copyediting needed' notice at the top. Who can make that decision? Can I just do it myself? --Takealeft 6/6/2006

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I am going to remove the NPOV warning and the 'copyediting needed' notice at the top of this entry. I think I have done enough work on it to have resolved those issues. If someone disagrees, please discuss here. Thanks. --Takealeft 6/7/2006

Edits: Grammatical, etc.[edit]

Removed: "a group that headed a single handed pro cuban insurrectionist leftist movement within the country as early as the 1960's" because it was poorly written, grammatically incorrect (capitalization?), because this article is not about the Sandinistas, and because while the Sandinistas were supported by and ideologically aligned with the Cuban revolution, their raison d'être was the liberation of Nicaragua rather than support of the Cuban revolution. By that logic, the French Revolution was pro-American. Also, please sign edits. Durito 22:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Edited: "Unity of the various formations was not immediate nor a natural result within the battle for the alleged ¨equality¨ that the radical socialists waged", due to lack of clarity and failure to adhere to NPOV and encyclopedic standards. For example, "radical" in this context is a perjorative term rather than a technical one clarifying a particular subset of socialism. Furthermore, the paragraph seemed to be arguing that the FMLN was primarily a Cuban conspiracy, rather than a Salvadoreno movement. --Durito 22:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Added copyedit and POV-check templates. I did some clean-up, but haven't finished. Most of the mess seems to be the result of poor editing done to the original article by an anonymous user. Durito 22:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


I'll be happy to copyedit here too: it's a well-done article and deserves to be presented / heard / discussed etc., controversial or not. But the NPOV elements are too glaring, and I hesitate qua mere copyeditor to eliminate them: for instance,
"they went into exile due to the unlawful military administration governments activities..."
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"Other opinions within the country clearly express hope within the actions of FMLN as their campaign is focused on the socialist aspects of assisting the repressed populations affected by extreme poverty and the ever decreasing natural resources within El Salvador..."
-- both of which read like a political platform / propaganda, 1970s MaosLittleRedBook stuff, very dated sloganeering -- not needed, here, to make the FMLF point, and simply enraging to the opposition. So if someone else pls would get rid of these two statements and others like them, mere copyeditors like me then can help with the rest: leave that stuff in, tho, and this entire very good article will die for being non-NPOV -- which would be a loss both for its writers and for the Wikipedia.
--Kessler 23:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the fascist tag as it was clearly a silly mistake [Akimiv]

-This article sounds like someone's opinion at some point, almost like an editorial, specifically the "FMLN in armed struggle" section. Needs to be cleaned up and backed up with citations. [jorge] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.44.67.4 (talk) 22:02, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Elsalvador-fmln.jpeg[edit]

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Fair use rationale for Image:Anamaria1.jpg[edit]

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NPOV?[edit]

"The US knew what their funds were being used for, but continued sending money to the extremist groups. All so that there would be no more socialist countries in the "backyard" of the United States and so they could extend their sphere of influence and continue on their imperialist ways. The US government along with the right wing el salvadoran government are responsible for the innocent deaths of women and children during the civil war. Both administrations run by greed and killing the poor who chose to stand against them."

  • This hardly strikes me as neutral and encyclopedic (not that I'm denying that there's some truth in it..) This needs to be dealt with. -Etafly 22:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent Elections?[edit]

Should there be mention of Mauricio Funes as the 2008 Presidential candidate for the FMLN? I should think that it would be worth mentioning, especially due to the FMLN's lead in the polls-- they're doing quite well, apparently, and have the advantage over ARENA, according to this article-- 33 percent of Salvadorans support the FMLN while only 23 percent back ARENA. (For an alternate viewpoint, there is an article on The Washington Post regarding Funes' elevation as Presidential Candidate.) This blog also has a lot of links to online magazines and newspapers related to the elections, if anyone would like to take a look at that. Yaminator (talk) 00:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Some mention of FMLN's success in Salvadoran legislative election, 2009 would be nice, please. --PFHLai (talk) 06:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Castro intervention? / Lack of citations[edit]

"It is rumored Fidel Castro invited the five organizations separately to Havana, where, once assembled, he prompted them to join together at gunpoint with an AK-47."

Where is the citation for this? This whole article lacks references/citations. As of this time, there are only two for the whole article. This Does Not Help Me AT ALL!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.127.1.224 (talk) 15:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Not sure about this part[edit]

"Citations for Salvadoran military bombing of civilian population: Douglas Tweedale, “Rebels pull back; Next move unclear in Salvador war,” United Press International, November 19, 1989 reports hours of bombardment of FMLN-occupied areas of San Salvador during the early morning of November 19. Via Ochoa thesis cited below.

Paying the Price: Ignacio Ellacuria and the Murdered Jesuits of El Salvador by Teresa Whitfield, Temple Press 1994, p. 3: "...the FMLN occupied areas that were poor and heavily populated. All feared the civilian cost of the armed forces' counteroffensive. Artillery and aerial bombardment had left some families trapped in their homes without food, water, or power; others were fleeing their neighborhoods, running through the streets beneath the paltry protection of white flags."

"El Salvador 1989: The Two Jesuit Standards and the Final Offensive", by Ignacio W. Ochoa, 2003, master's thesis in Latin American studies at San Diego State University, p. 56: "At daybreak [on November 18] army airplanes were dropping highly destructive bombs over the civilian areas under FMLN control; helicopters constantly flew over using heavy artillery. In response, the guerrillas began to use anti-aircraft artillery within the city itself." The author was in San Salvador, at and near the University of Central America campus, during November 1989.)"

Should it be removed from the page? Cited? Discuss. --VintageGuitarGuy (talk) 21:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Spanish Names[edit]

Does anybody know our policy with respect to translating Spanish names? This is the English wikipedia, and it seems that the large number of spanish names in this article really isn't helping anybody. Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:12, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


SIEGE OF THE SHERATON HOTEL EL SALVADOR I have some doubt as to the veracity/accuracy of the statement that "One of the most famous battles in San Salvador took place in the Sheraton Hotel (13°41′27.36″N 89°14′31.15″W), where guerrillas and army soldiers battled floor-by-floor." According to my recollection of the news at the time and the article in TIME magazine (cited here: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,150736,00.html ) the siege of the US Green Berets by FMLN guerrillas in the Torre VIP of the Sheraton Hotel did not include a shoot out and was resolved peacefully.

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