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WWF vs WWE

I got to this page by hitting random article and that is how I often find pages to edit. I know that WWF was forced to WWE for legal reasons. Should all old references to WWF be updated to WWE (as in the case of Ferrin Barr Jr.) who wrestled for a "legally" named WWF? Autkm (talk) 03:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. If he wrestled for the company when it was known as WWF, then it should be WWF in the article. Hope that helps. Nikki311 17:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missing an eye

I noticed that earlier versions of this page mentioned that Jesse lost his eye, but that hasn't remained in the page. I recall that Dave Meltzer reported on that originally, but it seemed as though he really didn't want to dwell on it too much. Anyway, this video, from 1996, would certainly lead me to believe that it was all bullshit. RadioKAOS (talk) 07:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the article on wrestler Tonga Fifita states that "In 1987, Haku had a backstage fight with Jesse Barr (who wrestled at the WWF as Jimmy Jack Funk) which allegedly resulted in Fifita gouging one of Barr's eyeballs out, causing Barr to later wear a glass eye. After this fight, Fifita had a reputation that steered wrestlers away from backstage confrontations." (no citation though).

I found a source at http://bleacherreport.com/articles/859929-the-35-most-shocking-arrests-in-wrestling-history , but I don't know if 'The Bleacher Report' is a reputable source ?

Photo

I uploaded a screenshot from the aforementioned clip, showing Jesse in Japan, 1996. Notice that he sure appears to have two perfectly good eyes.

File:FerrinBarrJr.JPG

I have no clue if Jesse makes the usual rounds, and therefore another photo can be taken. Any info on whether the file can pass muster as fair use or not is appreciated.RadioKAOS (talk) 00:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 19:05, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ferrin Barr, Jr. → Jimmy Jack Funk – This is Barr's best known ring name as it is the name he wrestled under for his televised appearances with the WWF and WCW. This will allow far more direct linking. Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC) McPhail (talk) 16:26, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support as nominator. McPhail (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - 48 matches on television as "Jimmy Jack Funk" in WWF, whereas only 4 matches on television as "Jesse Barr" Starship.paint (talk) 12:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose that things like WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL would prevent me from asking what you were smoking before you came up with THAT statistic. The guy was on television most every week as Jesse Barr for years and years, often in main events. This as opposed to his "48 matches" in larger promotions as a minor gimmick character, who frequently appeared in tag matches with bigger stars specifically to take the pinfall in the match so that the bigger star wouldn't have to (often referred to as a "jobber to the stars"). I don't buy the exposure argument, either. The difference between WWF or WCW and any other promotion wasn't as obvious in Barr's heyday as it is now. WWF and WCW had several programs apiece airing on a specific cable network, and WWF had an occasional program on NBC. However, until they withered away, local and regional wrestling programs commonly garnered ratings in individual markets as high as 20–25, and shares as high as 65–70; the disparity in numbers is due to the frequent late-night and weekend airings of these programs. This means that programs dismissed on here as "local yokel wrestling" were capable of drawing a weekly television audience in some markets ranging into the six figures. Promoters in many of these markets were also drawing in the mid-to-high four figures (or more, in a select few cases) to live wrestling events EVERY SINGLE WEEK and attracting passionate attendees, as opposed to WWE putting on live events in some places only every four or five years, promoted as nothing more than "come see the stars" spectacles or dirt cheap entertainment. RadioKAOS – Talk to me, Billy 18:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Sort of like the Bad News Allen/Brown thing. Both Funk and Barr are roughly equally common, one was just more common (though minor) in WWF. This gives a better picture of his 913 matches. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:12, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The WWF gave him huge national exposure as Jimmy Jack Funk, but does that exposure outweigh the years he spent in various regional promotions as Jesse Barr? Not a call I'm going to make.LM2000 (talk) 06:50, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Another move suggestion

Okay, if there's no consensus for moving the page to Jimmy Jack Funk, I don't have a problem with that, but what about moving it to Jesse Barr? He's certainly more well known under than name than as Ferrin Barr, Jr. (is there even a cite on that being his real name?)98.243.94.83 (talk) 01:08, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 December 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. There is definitely consensus to move away from the current name. It may be that Jesse Barr would be a better name, but didn't yet have a consensus for this.-- Aervanath (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC) -- Aervanath (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ferrin Barr Jr. → Jimmy Jack Funk – Second nomination. Barr is undoubtedly better known as "Jimmy Jack Funk" than "Ferrin Barr Jr". Cagematch.net records 310 matches wrestled as "Jimmy Jack Funk" versus 633 wrestled as "Jesse Barr", but a far higher proportion of the former were on a national stage. McPhail (talk) 21:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:42, 28 December 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Jerm (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support I opposed this move years ago. At the time we had a tendency to keep article titles of wrestlers who were known for multiple ring names under their actual name, even if they weren't widely known by it... We had an article titled Nelson Frazier Jr. because we weren't sure if (King) Mabel, Viscera or Big Daddy V were the WP:COMMONNAME. I don't think this is backed by policy and eventually we came to our senses and decided that Viscera works even if some may know him better by one of the other names. Using that same standard here, I'm okay with the Funk name due to the national exposure. We can have a conversation about whether Jesse Barr would be a better alternative but either would be an improvement over the current title.LM2000 (talk) 00:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — No doubt about it, the current article title needs changing. I'm not sure I buy this change, however. It further perpetuates the notion that our coverage of this topic is all about a pecking order of wrestling promotions without regard for appropriate weight. We're giving undue weight to a comic relief gimmick performer stuck on the undercard because it was "on a national stage". We already go too far in portraying mainstream promotions as "podunk local yokel outfits" simply because they weren't that concerned about optics. That's really what this slew of RMs (yes, it isn't just this article) is all about. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 08:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @RadioKAOS: would you prefer "Jesse Barr"? McPhail (talk) 11:26, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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