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A fact from Fort Moore (California) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 October 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during the Mexican-American War, a revolt by the Californio and Mexican residents of Los Angeles forced American Marines to surrender Fort Moore?

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To strengtehen the article, I would convert the references into footnotes. --evrik 04:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, but at this point its going to be difficult. A lot of this article was actually gleaned from a number of other Wikipedia articles on specific people/places/events. --Bobak 15:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cemetery

Some mention should be made of the historic Fort Moore Hill Cemetery (see here), which was later relocated. MisfitToys 19:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great find. I'll work it in (you shouldn't hesitate, of course ;-) ). --Bobak 15:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Californio Heros

Statues of José Mariá Flores, Jose Antonio Carrillo and Andres Pico should be erected here, as they were brave Californio defenders of their homes, land and country. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DonDeigo (talk • contribs) 22:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Anon Comments I moved from my User page

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Your recent additions to Fort Moore

I have noticed your recent edits of Fort Moore of November 17. Unfortunate your very colorful but interesting language appears to have a number of apparent factual errors. Do you have any citations that could support your additions? Could the views of a relatively dry and arid area from a hastily erected military fort that could lob cannon balls into a recently conquered village be called "romantic"? Early photographs of Los Angeles are notable for the lack of trees prior to the introduction of additional irrigation provided during the later American period. Early USGS topographic maps made before the removal of Fort Moore Hill showed Sunset Blvd. (now Cesar Chavez) being north of the Hill and separates the Hill from another hill on what is now the west side of the current Chinatown. Another error that you appeared to have added is the mention that Hill extends west to the "modern Los Angeles High School". Unfortunately the current Los Angeles High School is at Olympic and Rimpau, 7 miles west of Downtown, where it has been since 1917. Describing Los Angeles as an "adobe town" might be anachronistic. Although true for the Spanish period, may not be true for the Mexican period during which foreign trade occurred. When Richard Dana visited Los Angeles a decade earlier, he described Los Angeles as a town of brick and stone, which replaced adobe during the Mexican period.

If you can support your interesting description with solid references, I would like to keep most of it. If you can't support most of your statement, I would have no choice but to revert it as fanciful unreferenced material. 107.216.165.224 (talk) 03:18, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous user 107.216.165.224 Wyeson 06:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anon, I am having trouble understanding what you are saying. Some comments. The article talks about views of LA, buty then you describe how unattractive you think the hill was. I do not follow. Then you ask for details with references of what LA looked like, which belong to articles on the history of LA or Olvera Street. The article only summarizes well-known features of LA already discussed elsewhere, such as vineyards and the old historic town. Fort Moore and its hill lasted for many years after it was put up, so just how agriculture looked in 1846 is not important.

Now, LA was never a town of brick and stone. Did Dana really say that? Here is a newspaper discussing the adobe buildings as late as 1874: Herald. Sunset Blvd cut through the existing hill around 1900, but this street already has its own article.

In general, your comments are about things already discussed in the body of the article and in other articles. Wyeson 07:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC) Wyeson 07:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Fort Moore (California) (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fort Moore (1846-1853) → Fort Moore (historical) – We need to at least replace the hyphen with an en dash per MOS:DATERANGE, but the purpose of this disambiguation term seems to merely be to distinguish the current Fort Moore from the historical one (assuming Moore's Fort is sufficiently distinct), and "historical" seems like a friendlier way to do that. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 15:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Fort Moore (California). I'm not certain this needs moving at all (although certainly no objection to changing from the hyphen to a dash), but using the state better disambiguates from the current Fort Moore in Georgia as well as the former Fort Moore, South Carolina, and Moore's Fort in Texas, all of which are wholly or partly "historical". Station1 (talk) 21:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. UnspokenPassion (talk) 17:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fort Moore (California) sounds good to me also. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Fort Moore (Los Angeles). Is there any reason not to use the city? We usually do for sites and buildings. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Forts are usually, though not always, disambiguated with just the state. The guideline is at WP:MILMOS#BASENAME. - Station1 (talk) 20:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That goes against standard naming conventions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:MILMOS is literally part of the Manual of Style. 162 etc. (talk) 21:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that it's odd that a single category of structures should be an exception to the standard naming conventions for structures. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a description of that general naming convention for structures somewhere? I can somewhat understand that there could be a difference. If this was a high school, it might be more recognizable to local people to use "Los Angeles" rather than "California". But a military is more of a national-level federal entity, and that might tend to motivate using a broader geographic territory in its description. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing written down, I don't think, but plenty of evidence in practice that structures usually take the city name rather than the state name. For consistency's sake I'd find it a bit odd if military structures didn't follow suit. But not that important, obviously. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.