Talk:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

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Merge soundtrack articles[edit]

Video game cruft, largely unsourced article is not the subject of independent commentary. The few sources that I could find on the soundtrack/box set are enough to cover it adequately within its section of the game's article. And it can always expand out summary style. – czar 16:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC) – czar 16:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Oppose the two articles being merged here, but support the two soundtrack articles being merged. I think that the soundtrack stuff would take up too significant a part of this article to merge in, it's a suitable use of a fork. However I don't see a reason the box set needs its own article. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:01, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't actually think any of the content needs to be merged (only stuff sourced to an actual source should be merged). Those articles don't have enough sources to stand as their own articles, though. – czar 17:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Trim them and see what's left. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I already did? It's all unsourced and there's zero to merge. (And if anyone really wants the track listings, they can pull them from the article history.) I redirected them here and it was contested, hence this rigmarole. It's common sense to redirect unsourced articles. If anyone wants to expand them summary style, they can start with the sections in the game article. – czar 18:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I'd say the track listings are quite important given we're discussing albums, and telling people to "pull them up from the article history" is deliberately hiding pertinent information you don't like. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:21, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
The Official Soundtrack's 23 tracks would be fine to list, as normal, but the track listing for the dozens of radio tracks should only be invoked as used by the sources (e.g., if they highlight a track, mention it, but don't just indiscriminately list dozens of tracks because it was once listed on IGN). czar 03:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Notable subject covered by multiple reliable sources.[1][2][3][4]. No way you could fit the tracklisting in here. - hahnchen 23:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Why wouldn't everything that needs to be said about the soundtrack not fit in this article? And why would we list every track from the radio stations in this one or its own article? It's overkill. This is an encyclopedia, not an indiscriminate collection of information. czar 03:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Just because not everything is sourced (which is not the case here, as you do not need to look far to find sources for this), does not mean it does not exist. Listing the radio stations and their playlists is not "overkill" because they make up a large part of the game itself.
P.S. Why did you not instigate this discussion before you created the redirects for the GTA IV and V soundtracks? (talk) 17:32, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Answered this question wherever you first asked it czar 15:04, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I would say merge the two articles listed into their own. Definitely too big to merge into the GTA SA article proper. Definite fork as mentioned. I'll gladly take the time to investigate and add sources. I know a fair bit on my own due to extensive playing of the video game series. I just went to the GTA3 article looking for music information (I don't have it memorised), and it seems to be already lost (radio/music listings). Although GTA3 isn't as extensive as GTA:SA, even it deserves a forked article. Yes, other sources exist, but many people (myself included) come here first. Please leave and add any appropriate 'citation needed', and I'll work on it. Thanks! Baseballfan (talk) 03:44, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
They need to be expanded more than tagged citation needed, but anything unsourced obviously needs a source. I can appreciate that you've come to WP for this stuff in the past, but people also come for all kinds of minutiae outside the scope of Wikipedia. If these soundtrack articles warrant a separate page (and the full 70+ track listing), it should be easy enough to find reliable sources and write an article worthy of the extra space. czar 15:04, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I'll try and put some effort into it, and indeed, it will be easy to find sourced articles, as music in the GTA games plays quite a big role! Cheers! Baseballfan (talk) 03:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - +1 to mattbuck's suggestion to merge those two articles, just not here. Sethyre (talk) 19:52, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Notable subject with multiple reliable sources. ♠♠ BanëJ ♠♠ (Talk) 10:23, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Some people may be looking for information found in the articles. ConCass (talk) 15:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Consensus is clear enough that I think y'all can move ahead with merging the two soundtracks. Count me as unconvinced, though. We'll see what another three years of decay will do for these pages. czar 04:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Update: I have restored and preserved the articles to my user page. Damian001 (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Page notice[edit]

Why does this page use British English instead of American or at very least international English? The article itself states that the game takes place in a fictional U.S. state. Sakura Cartelet Talk 22:06, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Sakura Cartelet: The developer, Rockstar North, is based in Scotland. – Rhain 02:06, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Really? Still I don't see why this series seems to get different treatment than others. Fallout a game series made by an US developer doesn't have a banner that only limits it to American English after all. Sakura Cartelet Talk 05:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
@Sakura Cartelet: I'm sure that using American English on the Fallout articles has never led to any contention or discussion, as it's rather straightforward. Grand Theft Auto, on the other hand, has led to several discussions in this regard—as is expected when a game is developed by a British company and published by an American one—but most discussions appeared to have ultimately favoured the developer's nationality. – Rhain 05:59, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Who cares? You can still understand it. CoolSkittle (talk) 20:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Big Smoke's order[edit]

I'm surprised Big Smoke's order isn't mentioned here as it has become a meme lately, therefore making it popular culture and deserving of a mention. CoolSkittle (talk) 20:53, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

WP:V/WP:RS is the primary concern here, as memes are not usually discussed in popular media; however, if you do happen to find reliable sources depicting the Internet meme as notabile, you may add it to the article, of course. Face-smile.svg Lordtobi () 10:17, 21 October 2017 (UTC)