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Palm OS[edit]

I found by chance that Take-Two announced a Palm OS (PalmPilot) version of the game back in 2001, for release later that year.[1] I found exactly one dump of the game files. The game lists Tarantula Studios as the developer, Rockstar Games as the publisher, and 2001 as the copyright date. The game was also listed for some time on Global Star Software's website as "Coming Soon" alongside a demo. Other than that, I cannot find any sources on when or even whether the game was actually released. The platform's generic name doesn't make finding info easier, so I hope someone can help with some insight. Regards, IceWelder [] 11:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@IceWelder: Wow, good find! Daily Radar and Eurogamer covered the announcement as well, and FGN claimed that it would be at PC Expo in 2001. It was also listed by the ESRB. According to Gouranga.com, it was cancelled by June 2002, but they don't appear to cite a source (and, to further muddy the waters of reliability, they say that Global Star "didn't even get permission" from Take-Two, but that makes little sense considering it was owned by Take-Two, and the latter even made the original announcement, per your source). Seems to have just fizzled out and been quietly cancelled, sometime between February and June 2002. – Rhain (he/him) 03:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that about lines up with what I found in, uh, less reliable sources. Gouranga! most likely is not reliable but at least it has some good pointers to external information. I investigated the game itself a bit more and it looks like a straight port of the GTA2 GBC game. The credits in the game files also match with only a handful of names missing. The version from PalmDB is manually patched, so I assume that it is a modified version of the demo. Do we assume that the Palm version was cancelled? We should find a way to state this cleanly in the article. IceWelder [] 18:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can safely assume it was cancelled, but I can't find any sources for us to be able to verify that in the article. Perhaps we can just mention its announcement/existence in past tense? Something like "In March 2001, Take-Two announced Global Star Software would publish a version of the game for PalmPilot by the holiday season in Europe and North America;[1][2][3][4] Global Star released a demo for Palm OS on its website.[5] Frustrating that we can't really say more than this (unless another source miraculously appears) but this seems like the only way we can really mention it for now. – Rhain (he/him) 02:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That should do, definitely better than nothing. IceWelder [] 15:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b "Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Takes Lead in Expanding Palm Pilot Gaming Market" (Press release). Take-Two Interactive. 26 March 2001. Archived from the original on 7 May 2001. Take-Two also announced that its critically acclaimed Grand Theft Auto title will be available for the Palm Pilot later this year.
  2. ^ "Take-Two Takes Palm Market". Daily Radar. Future US. 26 March 2001. Archived from the original on 16 April 2001. Retrieved 25 October 2022.
  3. ^ Bramwell, Tom (26 March 2001). "Take 2 dominate Palm gaming market". Eurogamer. Gamer Network. Archived from the original on 25 October 2022. Retrieved 25 October 2022.
  4. ^ Gaudiosi, John (14 August 2001). "Video game companies looking to PDA platforms". The Hollywood Reporter. Vol. 369, no. 29. Affiliated Publications. EBSCOhost 6916084.
  5. ^ "Grand Theft Auto for the Palm OS". Global Star Software. Archived from the original on 1 December 2001. Retrieved 25 October 2022.

Basis of San Andreas[edit]

I corrected the article to say that the state of San Andreas is based on two U.S. states, California and Nevada. That's what the article Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas says, as well as the citation that accompanies it (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas review). ... discospinster talk 17:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In Grand Theft Auto (1997), San Andreas is a single city, and that city is based on San Francisco. Sources for that are easy to come by, e.g. [1]. You can also find a detailed description of the city here. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was released several years later (2004) and plays in a different continuity (the 3D Universe), so I fail to see how it is relevant here. IceWelder [] 22:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

English-only?[edit]

I recently had my addition of the Japanese release date reverted due to "only English-language regions". Is there any reason as to why only English-language regions can be mentioned? PrincessKaori94 (talk) 00:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PrincessKaori94: Per WP:VG/DATE, non-English countries should only be included if the game was released there first. I can only assume this is because we are on the English Wikipedia, and listing all dates could quickly become unruly. Rhain (he/him) 00:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thank you ^_^ PrincessKaori94 (talk) 01:05, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of a caption in the infobox[edit]

Seeing that there seems to be somewhat of a dispute on including a caption in the infobox, I've initiated a discussion here. As noted on the edit summaries; as per Template:Infobox video game#TemplateData, a caption is entirely optional; the other regional covers are barely used in any sources while the original is done so virtually exclusively, thus a caption here is gratuitous. Moreover, I've inserted details about the alternate covers in the body, which should address the clarification concern; hopefully this works out as a middle ground and compromise. QuestFour (talk) 10:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored the infobox caption, as I still see no reason for it to be removed. Per WP:VGBOX, regional differences are valid to note. I fail to see how its widespread usage in sources makes a difference; as I've said, that demonstrates why we've chosen the UK cover to represent the game, but it doesn't explain why the caption should be removed. Rhain (he/him) 10:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:VGBOX's guideline states that captions "can be used" in such cases; it very clearly advices against using captions needlessly; "While {{infobox video game}} offers a |caption= option to caption the cover image, use it if only necessary". Also, your comment, "Adding prose does not reduce the usefulness of the caption", I see nowhere alluded to. Your rationale for including a caption, clarification, has been addressed. Thus, per the aforementioned guideline, a caption is no longer necessary. QuestFour (talk) 11:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding information to the Development section does not address my rationale for the infobox caption. It appears there are at least four distinct regional variations of the cover, so it's useful to identify which version this is. Rhain (he/him) 12:10, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does, as your rationale no longer corresponds with the guideline's directives; and yes, which adding the information, throughly, did. QuestFour (talk) 13:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's much more useful to identify the cover variant directly below the image, rather than only doing so halfway down the page. Rhain (he/him) 13:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd beg to differ; I don't see this as a necessity nor warranting to deviate from the guideline. QuestFour (talk) 14:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I'd call it a deviation from the guideline when "differences in cover art between ... region" is explicitly listed as a possible option, but to each their own. I think the caption is a useful and necessary aid. Rhain (he/him) 14:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would, likewise for the main issue in hand. As per the above, what the guideline explicitly states is that captions should not be used unless necessary. Your response to this, that you think otherwise, is not an argument. QuestFour (talk) 15:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]