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help. whats the best redirect? EDIT - I have created a page now, because this was bugging me. see contrast with.. below for justification.

ref -(industrial civilization.^[1])

Industrial society#INDUSTRIAL_CIVILIZATION ... talks about it from a sociological perspective rather than technological/economic?
Industrialisation#INDUSTRIAL_CIVILIZATION ... talks about the *process of transtion* from agrarian civilizatoin to industrial civilization
civilization#INDUSTRIAL CIVILZATION ... there's no clear point in this, could we rework the article.
industrial revolution#INDUSTRIAL_CIVILIZATION ... maybe even there

Neither seems exactly right for what I want to find when I click "industrial civilization", but are all close. a new article Industrial civilisation would replicate a lot of material. I'd want to hear about 'pre-industrial vs industrial', petroleum dependance & challenges, speculation about 'post-industrial'. There would be links to each of those. 'it was ushered in by the industrial revolution (main article) ...society changed (main article)... proceeded by... (main article, agrarian) ... future possibilities (post industrial)')

Why the existing articles do NOT suffice

Contrast with industrial society

Industrial civilization refers to the broader state of civilization, which spans multiple societies; industrial society just to specific segments (within the civilization) dependant on manufacturing jobs, whilst industrial civilisation as a whole comprises of many regions interdependent (via international trade) specialized in different ways, including information society and service economy. Note that these societies are still dependant on industrial civilization for their goods, and food imports coming from mechanised agriculture. ^[2]

Contrast with industrial revolution

The industrial revolution is the historical event that ushered in industrial civilization. The modern world has further diversified following development in mass production and information technology (allowing service economy, and information society).

Contrast with industrialisation

industrialisation is the process of any individual area being transformed. Industrial civilisation as a whole may have regions that still benefit from industrial societies, without being industrialised themselves, or having specialised in other ways (e.g. service economies).

Fmadd (talk) 12:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Contrast with industrial society revisited

I don't think this statement is true: "Industrial society [refers] just to specific segments (within the civilization) dependant on manufacturing jobs." The article concerned begins with the sentence "In sociology, industrial society refers to a society driven by the use of technology to enable mass production, supporting a large population with a high capacity for division of labour." That's the whole society, not just the manufacturing bits.

Is "Industrial civilization" supposed to encompass Post-industrial society and Information society too? Because if it doesn't, it looks like a duplicate of Industrial society to me. Chuntuk (talk) 17:27, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ""WORLD CIVILIZATIONS AND HISTORY OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT – Industrial Civilization - Robert Holton"" (PDF).

[2] "the myth of the service economy".

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