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The article currently only says this about Trudeau's career as a teacher: After graduation, Trudeau stayed in Vancouver where he became a substitute teacher at local schools such as Killarney Secondary and worked permanently as a French and math teacher at the private West Point Grey Academy. ... It is not addressed further than this. Therefore, I do not think this is first-sentence worthy. He is known as a politician, not as a teacher. Thoughts? MediaKyle (talk) 14:49, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I would lean towards agreeing with you. That he taught at the secondary school level is mentioned in the next paragraph of the lead, which is due weight, in my view. Our guideline for this is MOS:ROLEBIO, which says, "emphasize what made the person notable. Incidental and non-noteworthy roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person's notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph". Also, it's a bit politically loaded, as certain opponents during the first campaign referred to him disparagingly as a "drama teacher", implying (among other things) that he was unqualified. Paul Erik(talk)(contribs)15:40, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
We do typically note what a person's profession was before getting into politics, as that's usually a component of what leads to their notability as a politician. As much as certain agitators want to whine about "career politicians", it's actually quite rare in Canada for someone to do politics and nothing else. In Trudeau's case, I thought it would be useful to review sources from around the time of his father's funeral in 2000, since his eulogy is widely regarded as the turning point where he was on the path into politics from that point on, but they're all offline. He was only 28 at the time, early for anyone to establish themselves in any career, and as I recall from around then he was known as P.E. Trudeau's son more than anything else. Later in the paragraph there's an interview from 2007 about his role in a war film about a distant relative, noting that the directors wanted to cast "someone like Justin Trudeau" due to similarities in the character's political ambition. That's the best I can do, and I think leans towards not describing him as a teacher in the first sentence.
We might also add a profession based on the work the person did after leaving office, but Trudeau hasn't done much worth noting and seems more interested in being a socialite than anything. Obviously we also shouldn't include any of that. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:59, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Trudeau stepped down in reaction to Trump's return to office
Previous editors didn't have issue with it until Moxy; Of note Moxy has been going across my edit history undoing random things without much or any explanation.
Per my edit, the polling was widely reported and relevant to the legacy section. The nuance of recency bias was also included. More polling will be done in the future surely, thus the section can and will be added to.
There seems little reason to delete a well sourced, compliant edit unless there is something I'm unaware of that editors have not yet raised. Abumoh00 (talk) 21:46, 29 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
To put it simply, this content is just silly. People used to say Harper was the "worst prime minister" too. Now he's not so bad. I bet people will soon say Carney is the "worst prime minister". This is just not encyclopedic information no matter which way you spin it. Why do we care about this specific poll? What does it even mean to be the "worst"? The fact that no one is engaging with you on this should be a hint. I suggest moving on to something else. MediaKyle (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Carney was actually rated the best in the same poll. It's been a widely reported poll; the polling of prime ministers is highly relevant under a Legacy category. Future polls will be made and will be added.
If polls said that about Harper, that can be added to his page. I'm not an expert here; is there a reason it's not encyclopedic information?
The recency bias you noted was noted in the section.
I don't think we should select which polls we want to include vs. not; this introduces bias because some people will want to paint things more positively and some more negatively.
Please don't be mean or dismissive; no one in the talk page isn't automatically a sign everyone disagrees with me and I should be 'moving on to something else'. Abumoh00 (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
In 2012 we decide to put this kind of small statistical analysis about prime ministers in their own standalone article instead of overwhelming academic style articles with statistical junk. Would support addingl statistical info to Historical rankings of prime ministers of Canada. Think it's best we preserve the integrity of all the prime ministers articles by presenting this type of data in its own article instead of overwhelming each individual article with small statistical questionnaires..Moxy🍁19:43, 1 May 2026 (UTC)[[reply]
I agree with MediaKyle. This is too ephemeral. People tend to have the worst possible view of a leader who’s just been dumped or defeated in an election, and to like a leader who’s just won an election. That’s why they got dumped or elected: because they were unpopular so got dumped, or popular so won. But that doesn’t mean people’s opinions right now are significant.
We have to remember what Wikipedia is not: not a newspaper WP:NEWS. As that section says:
“Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion …”.
This poll is an example of WP:RECENTISM. Polling about long term significance of something happening barely a year ago is maybe news, but not likely of enduring notability. Something may be published in a reliable source, but that doesn’t mean it’s of enduring notability. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:18, 2 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, one other thing, Abumoh00. Please don’t say things like “Previous editors didn't have issue with it until Moxy”. For one thing, the goal of consensus building is to criticize the posts, not the poster. Please don’t try to defend your position by making it personal against another editor. Second, so what if no one else commented until Moxy raised it? Just because no one else noticed the issue doesn’t undercut Moxy’s position. The fact that other editors are now agreeing with Moxy is an indication that Moxy raised a significant point, worthy of discussion. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Give how leaders can move in and out of office (eg see Britain), more than a year is not an ephemeral feeling; the recentism bias was mentioned in the text that was deleted nonetheless.
Given the breadth & extent of the negative economic metrics under Trudeau in comparison to his predecessors and now Carney, whether one attributes these to his government or not, I think its fair to say it’s unlikely his polling will change significantly in the next 5 years.
How long do we wait? 2 years?
Regarding pointing that out; apologies - I was frustrated Moxy was going across my edit history making what I saw as petty edits/undos - as mentioned in my edits. Other editors edited the new section, so I figured at least they looked over the polling section as they were added at the same time. Abumoh00 (talk) 02:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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