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Requested move 29 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: Obvious G6 case, no need for the whole process. Page moved. Ss112 06:15, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Lil Nas → Lil Nas X – This is the artist's actual stage name and I see it no reliable sources that it is shortened to "Lil Nas". Nice4What (talk) 17:36, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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Lil Nas X's, race and "Hot Country" chart

Both NPRand the New York Times raise questions – and in my opinion, justifiably so – about Billboard's rationale for removing "Old Town Road" from the Hot Country chart. Specifically, they enter the possibility that Billboard's action was discriminatory; however, neither publication states this as fact. As such, would it be more accurate for the last two sentences of the article's lead section to read, "'Old Town Road' peaked at number one on the Billboard Hot 100. The song was controversially removed from the Hot Country Songs after debuting at number 19, an action many people think was driven by racial discrimination."? For reference, the article's lead section currently closes with, "'Old Town Road' peaked at number one on the Billboard Hot 100 and was controversially removed from the Hot Country Songs after debuting at number 19, due to him being an African American."

I appreciate the complexity of this issue...that's why I thought it was important to raise this question here. Stussll (talk) 06:14, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2019

Lil Nas X graduated from Lithia Spring High School in Douglas County Georgia (source https://douglascountysentinel.com/news/1887/lithia-grad-lil-nas-x-has-top-song-in-america/) DimPortWasTaken (talk) 03:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done NiciVampireHeart 22:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2019

The below addition is to go after this line: Another Billboard spokesperson told Genius the following, "Billboard's decision to take the song off of the country chart had absolutely nothing to do with the race of the artist."[13]

While the explanation bothered Lil Nas X, he chose not to pursue it, letting the decision stand. "Honestly, I saw it as, if you fight back, maybe they're going to try to blackball me in some kind of way, so it was just like, whatever happens happens," he told the CBC. [source link: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/blog/why-lil-nas-x-is-putting-the-old-town-road-billboard-controversy-behind-him-1.5101617] 159.33.10.155 (talk) 20:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: This is word for word copied from the source, which is "all rights reserved", and therefore cannot be added to wikipedia. See WP:COPYVIO for further info. NiciVampireHeart 22:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2019

In the "Discography" section. Old Town Road has now risen from 3rd to 2nd place in the swedish top charts. Link provided: https://www.sverigetopplistan.se/chart/41?dspy=2019&dspp=16 (same list as current reference but week 16 instead of week 14) ArtemLundgren (talk) 07:50, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done NiciVampireHeart 15:20, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Sonic Shit listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Sonic Shit. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Jalen D. Folf (talk) 06:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Sonic Shit

So unless I am missing something, "Sonic Shit" has not been officially released as a single, so it should not be in the singles section right? The reference provided leads nowhere as far as I can tell. Tagging @ColorTheoryRGB: since I am confused why you are edit warring over this. StaticVapor message me! 19:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Page lists an achievement as happening on a future date (June 22nd 2019... It's June 20th?)

Under the career tab, it says:

On June 22, 2019, the "Old Town Road" remix had been number one on the Billboard Hot 100 for eleven weeks.[21]


--Kitchenaidstandmixer (talk) 22:02, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

NasMaraj twitter account

If Lil Nas X denies that he operated the NasMaraj twitter account, and I don't see any proof that he did from the sources, should this really be stated as fact in the wiki article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.144.250 (talk) 08:56, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

The sources explain the connections despite Lil Nas X's denials. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 01:06, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Occupation For Lil Nas X

Lil Nas X mostly sings in his songs nowadays. Please remove "rapper" from his occupation list and everything else on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.37.196 (talk) 22:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I’ve added a reference to make it more clear we’re following the sourcing to include rapper. Thank you for pointing that out. Gleeanon409 (talk) 23:08, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Genres

The genres are to describe the artist as a whole, not a song, none of them were actually describing Lil Nas, they were describing Old Town Road. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Well that song is his signature song so it logically follows that as he releases new songs that cover new genres they too can be added. If we had sourcing that he, and the industry only identify him in certain genres, and do not identify as one in particular, we should follow that guide. Others may have better insight on this though. Gleeanon409 (talk) 13:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Too much about the song

I removed a solid chunk of content about Old Town Road's other remixes and some of the record breaking success. It was reverted here without much reason. All of this belongs in the article about the song. I still left a ton of info about the song and its success, it just seemed like the amount of intricate detail on this article was a bit much. All of it can be on Old Town Road and we have plenty of links leading there. Any thoughts? StaticVapor message me! 18:50, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

As I already explained: 1. I didn’t revert you, I re-added the relevant content but only as footnotes; the lack of explanation was an error on my part, please accept my apologies; the content is perfectly acceptable and expected in a good article on the subject. Readers should not have to go chasing down basic information in other articles. And, it’s in footnotes so one has to really work at being bothered about it. Gleeanon409 (talk) 21:56, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
@Gleeanon409: I did not see that. Please try to use edit summaries to explain as I just saw someone reverting my edit without explaining why, and your following edit summary did not really explain it either. Do you think it's necessary for us to advertise the date of the award show? I felt like saying the nominations was good enough. I am still unsure that the extra info about the additional remixes is needed as well, even if it is a footnote. StaticVapor message me! 04:22, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
@STATicVapor: I feel the award date should be removed once the awards have been announced; and the entire sentence reworked accordingly if there are any results.
As his entire record is dependent on the remixes, and more are likely to follow, I think just giving a phrase or so to each and housing them in the footnotes is an easy solution unless or until it makes sense to give them their own paragraph.
I’ll try to be more careful on edit summaries. Gleeanon409 (talk) 05:25, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Occupation For Lil Nas X #2

How about you change Lil Nas X's occupation to "singer, rapper, and songwriter" since he mostly sings in his songs nowadays? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.37.196 (talk) 00:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Gleeanon409 (talk) 00:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
@Gleeanon409: Reliable sources call him a rapper first and foremost. It's not up to us to pick "singer" over "rapper". Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 17:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I’m fine with either. If the sources emphasize rapper then so should the article. Gleeanon409 (talk) 18:35, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

RfC on Black queer men in hip hop content

There is a clear consensus for option A over option B. There is no prejudice against opening a new RfC to discuss option C since it was introduced late in the RfC.

Cunard (talk) 01:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should the following, or some similar content, be included in the article? 19:20, 1 August 2019 (UTC) [ There is two options, B is a bit shorter ]

Option A

Nas X became one of the most visible Black queer men singers to come out.[1] Especially in country or hip hop genres, which emphasize machismo and “historically snubbed queer artists”.[1][a] Black gay male artists in hip hop gaining mainstream acceptance is relatively new—preceding Nas X by less than a decade—starting with Frank Ocean’s 2012 Channel Orange, and including: Tyler, the Creator; ILoveMakonnen; Brockhampton frontman Kevin Abstract; and Steve Lacy.[1][b]

  1. ^ Rap is full of gay slurs like “sus”, “No homo”, and “Pause” using “queerness as a punchline”.[1]
  2. ^ Black queer women artists have been accepted more readily;[1] while the queer hip hop movement goes back to the 1990s.[2]

References

  1. ^ a b c d e Kennedy, Gerrick D. (July 31, 2019). "Lil Nas X came out, but has hip-hop? A macho culture faces a crossroads". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2019-08-01. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
  2. ^ "Homo Hop is dead, Queer hip hop is the real deal". 429 Magazine, March 11, 2013.

comments on Option A

  • Support including in this form or similar. A good article would include this information, it’s exactly what music writing covers, comparing him to like artists, and putting his mark in the business in context. Gleeanon409 (talk) 19:20, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose to including, as it just adds more content that is not necessarily specific to the subject Lil Nas X. This belongs better in an article such as Homophobia in hip hop culture. We shouldn't have to list every queer black man that preceded the next. Also, this section was included in the section about his professional music career, yet the section about his personal life cover his sexuality. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 19:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • It’s all about Nas X, and how his being intersectionality of being Black and a queer man in hip hop is uncommon and remarkable as the genre is so homophobic.
    Also it was in the “Personal life” section when you reverted it. Although it belongs in the “Career” section as that’s what the content is about. Gleeanon409 (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Those were notable examples that the source used in talking about the subject. No one says they have to be used in every future article, etc. However they are a point of reference for those that are interested. They were included because the source made the point to include them. Gleeanon409 (talk) 00:20, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - I think it's difficult to just mention that Lil Nas X is openly queer without providing the proper context to what that means in the hip-hop and country music communities. In the same way that the article on Rob Halford deals with the context and struggle of coming out as gay in the heavy metal community, which is also typically perceived to be homophobic. Also, it should definitely be in the personal life section, not anywhere else. PraiseVivec (talk) 11:58, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Support (Summoned by bot) However, I agree that we don't need to list names. I think it's fine to briefly mention the cultural significance, but we should also at least attempt to do so in a less MOS:REALTIME way; acceptance is relatively new will age quickly, as will (hopefully) the number of artists that come out. My suggestion would be something like "Nas X was one of the first highly prominent black male singers to openly identify as gay. At the time of Nas X's announcement in June 2019, mainstream acceptance of gay male artists was still a relatively new phenomenon, especially in genres such as country and hip-hop that traditionally emphasized machismo and "historically snubbed queer artists".[1] CThomas3 (talk) 09:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @Meatsgains: Point being this is currently being covered by the article, while this proposal is mostly just an addition of the names of other LGBT artists and examples of homophobic slurs. "Support" makes sense in concept, but it's already in the article under the "Personal life" section. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - It does seem important to mention the context of Lil Nas X's coming out, I think the addition information on other queer hip-hop artists is helpful as it provides more context and may be of use to readers who want to find other information on coming out in the hip-hop music scene. KoenigWrites (talk) 05:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
  • @KoenigWrites: Unless Lil Nas X directly says he was influenced by these specific artists, I see no reason to tie them to his article. As said earlier, would this no create a precedent to include all these names for the next high-profile LGBT rapper? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Option B

Nas X became one of the most visible Black queer men singers to come out.[1] Especially in country or hip hop genres, which emphasize machismo and “historically snubbed queer artists”.[1][a] Black queer male artists in hip hop gaining mainstream acceptance arguably started in 2012 when Frank Ocean came out right before Channel Orange’s release.[1][b]

  1. ^ Rap is full of gay slurs like “sus”, “No homo”, and “Pause” using “queerness as a punchline”.[1]
  2. ^ Other notable Black queer men gaining mainstream acceptance before Nas X include: Tyler, the Creator; ILoveMakonnen; Brockhampton frontman Kevin Abstract; and Steve Lacy.[1] Black queer women artists have been accepted more readily;[1] while the queer hip hop movement goes back to the 1990s.[2]

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f Kennedy, Gerrick D. (July 31, 2019). "Lil Nas X came out, but has hip-hop? A macho culture faces a crossroads". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2019-08-01. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
  2. ^ "Homo Hop is dead, Queer hip hop is the real deal". 429 Magazine, March 11, 2013.

comments on Option B

  • Support as before. Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:31, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose as before. Also, Black queer male artists in hip hop gaining mainstream acceptance arguably started in 2012 (emphasis added) would quickly be tagged with a [according to whom?] template. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment – I think it'd be fair to mention Frank Ocean if we can find reliable sources that establish him as the "tipping point" for queer black male artists, but I still oppose the notes that list the other artists (they have no relation to LNX, and I doubt Abstract and Lacey influenced him) and that include specific examples of homophobic slurs (again, really adds no context specifically to Lil Nas X; there's already a link to Homophobia in hip hop culture for more context). Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
    • The relationship to Nas X is being one of the few out queer black men mainstream singers. It’s connected by the source, and I think it’s disingenuous to erase that history. And we’re not picking the top five of thirty, we’re listing the only ones, likely in a footnote. Similarly the slurs, these are common in rap, and we are including them in a footnote. This is the environment that Nas X was born into and grew up with —> heteronormativity with overt homophobia. Gleeanon409 (talk) 20:38, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Option C

Lil Nas X became one of the most visible black queer men artists to come out.[1] The response to the news has been mostly positive, but also garnered a large amount of homophobic backlash on social media, to which Nas X also reacted.[2][3] Mainstream acceptance of black male queer artists began in 2012 when Frank Ocean came out, yet the backlash to Lil Nas X drew attention to ongoing homophobia in hip hop culture and the emphasis on machismo in the country genre.[1][3][4]

References

  1. ^ a b Kennedy, Gerrick D. (July 31, 2019). "Lil Nas X came out, but has hip-hop? A macho culture faces a crossroads". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2019-08-01. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference USA Today was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ a b "Lil Nas X Responds To Homophobic Comments Following Sexuality Announcement". amp.capitalxtra.com. Retrieved 2019-07-04.
  4. ^ Marie, Aurielle. "Beyond Expectations Lil Nas X Forges a Freer, More Fluid Hip Hop". Bitch Media. Retrieved 12 July 2019.

Comments on Option C

  • Support as it doesn't include unrelated artists, it ties in with the information already provided in the article, it establishes Ocean as an influential figure, and doesn't list slurs that provide no useful information. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:33, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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In naming him by proper noun...

I see many places in the article where the artist is referred to as "Nas X" where a surname would be traditionally used:

- "Nas X came out as gay..." - "Nas X said he began to isolate himself..." - "Nas X reportedly created and ran Nicki Minaj fan accounts..."

But also one place where his given surname is used:

- "On December 3, 2018, Hill released the country rap song "Old Town Road"."

I was going to edit the section "Early life and education" because I feel like it overuses the pronoun "he", but I'm not sure whether to refer to the artist as "Nas X" or "Hill". To me, it seems more natural to write "Hill", but I want more opinions, and it should probably be consistent across the page. Is there a Wiki guideline or precedent for this? —Monkeyfume (talk) 05:59, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Consensus has been to use Hill until he was publicly known as Lil Nas X, which is the vast majority of what the article covers. Gleeanon409 (talk) 03:49, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Sexuality

Lil Nas X is not gay but a bisexual as revealed on the Ellen show he is currently dating SZA Ubabeskaleah (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ubabeskaleah: Did he say he is bi on that show? EvergreenFir (talk) 21:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

But let me research this some more and get back to you tomorrow 🤐 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ubabeskaleah (talk • contribs) 12:54, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ubabeskaleah:, we need a *strong* WP: Reliable source to change what we have. Nas X would have to pretty much state what he feels is his new sexuality. If you want, just post them here and others can double check how to use them. Gleeanon409 (talk) 13:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Awards and nominations

Hello, this article has been created recently so I'd kindly ask to remove the awards templates on the main Lil Nas X article and link the article of awards and nominations instead. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.60.2.99 (talk) 19:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Known “professionally” needed?

An editor has edit-warred back the qualifier “professionally” so the lead reads ‘known professionally as Lil Nas X’ rather than just ‘known as Lil Nas X’.

Since he is known seemingly everywhere by everyone as just Lil Nas X or Nas X is the “professionally” qualifier needed? Thoughts? Gleeanon409 (talk) 22:00, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

You can probably close this discussion, on second thoughts known professionally probably isn't needed as most people know him as such already. Happy Editing! --DESK JOVI (talk) 23:53, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Pastor Troy comments

I recently removed some information that did not seem particularly significant, especially given its current sourcing [1]. Pagesix is not generally reliable according to WP:RSP and I am not sure about the Papermag article. Even if it is a reliable source, the article does not provide any context or analysis about the situation, and so the content added to this Wikipedia article was simply to provide a comment by Lil Nas X. I also don't know if this incident will have any lasting significance to the article subject, as it does not look like there is any coverage after the incident and Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:09, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

I missed your edit here. I have included some more sources that are maybe better (pride.com and vibe.com, rather important/well known website/sources). Secondly: also the New York Daily News wrote an article about it, however I can not access it from where I am located, but I would not call the NY Daily news a gossip paper or is it? I also wonder: amp.capitalxtra.com and Bitch Media as a source for another statement, you find them more reliable than the ones given for the statement you removed?Garnhami (talk) 22:27, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2020 VMAS outfit photo

Please change the "Nas X wore a custom sequined “diamond fantasy moment” Christian Cowan suit in homage to Prince for the 2019 MTV Video Music Awards’ red carpet." to lil-nas-x-2019-mtv-vmas-red-carpet-billboard-1240.jpg or atleast a better photo because that is one of the only photos from that event where he does not look good and I bet he would prefer a better photo for a portion of the wiki page about his fashion. His amazing stylist Hodo Musa also made that outfit and should be credited more in this portion of the page. Also if the MTV VMAS outfit isn't good enough the grammy's outfit is always good to go to. I hope you take these changes into consideration thank you. 01:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)Vrawge (talk)Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

 Not done: The image suggested is a non-free image and using it here would be a violation of the Image Use policy. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 07:09, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Islamophobic tweets

Should a section be included about his former Twitter account and his controversial tweets?--Osh33m (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Only what’s covered in WP:Reliable sources. Gleeanon409 (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Career subsections

Why is the Career section separated by songs? Unusual, needs a clean up. Most of that information belongs to the song's (OTR) article, not here. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

This was a timeline way of organizing as well as talking about his work. Gleeanon409 (talk) 05:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
No other article in WP has that "order". The whole subsection "Public recognition" is based on the OTR song's success and awards. The article needs a clean up. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 04:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2021

Well he publicly stated that his name was not a tribute to nas the rapper he said that he already had a internet personality named nas and made a joke that every new rapper always put "lil" in front of their name and he added the x for show. please change. 2601:346:4300:C760:5D30:5842:E688:A70D (talk) 18:56, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – robertsky (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2021

Update page photo to a better quality image. EducatingJeremiah (talk) 13:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Please provide another image with no copyright issues. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Controversies section

Should we even be covering controversies over a bunch of tweets that nobody is certain that he had anything to do with at all? If so, are we doing enough to make it clear that this is merely an accusation? The Uproxx source contains an explicit denial that he was associated with the tweets yet our coverage does not seem to reflect that at all, nevermind adequately. --DanielRigal (talk) 01:23, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@DanielRigal Hello, you're right, that shouldn't have been included and it violates both WP:BLP and WP:CRITS, especially since it's not confirmed the account even belonged to him. I've reverted that edit. Uses x (talk • contribs) 06:59, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

The Satan shoes dispute

An edit of Lil's infamous Nike shoe project was reverted to it's original state for embedded links. While wikipedia policies explicitly states that: 1.some external links are welcome; 2. and that no page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justifiable according to this guideline and common sense.

It's important that user bBB23 explain here of the circumstances that led to the deletion of this rather controversial topic, with enough sources and citations. Rawwbots (talk) 14:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rawwbots @Bbb23 There's some good content in your addition, but to me the main problem is that external links were used instead of citations. External links should almost always be avoided. You just need to add citations at the end of each paragraph to back up their content, and this will be sorted. Looking at it, it's actually already covered under "2020–present: Montero", so you can take a look at that and if there's essential information you think is missing, you can re-add it there.
The addition seems to be one-sided as well - you need to state the defendant's side of it, not just Nike's. As well as that, sections titled "Controversy" should almost never be used in an article unless that's literally all the content that exists about someone or something; instead, this content should instead be integrated somewhere else in the article. The 3rd paragraph, which is just two long quotes from Nike, needs to either be removed or summarised as well.
You can see your addition here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lil_Nas_X&oldid=1024140365 , which you can use for reference. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:01, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Uses x, that all sounds very reasonable to me.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
@Rawwbots I've undone your edit. As I said above, please integrate the important information (not every detail that's out there, as per WP:UNDUE) into where the information already is, at the location I stated. It's hardly a life changing event, so it doesn't need it's own section, and no one needs to know every single detail (e.g. that 666 shoes were made but only 665 were sold, ...). Also please take greater care with formatting. Take a look at the table of contents and your addition here, and compare it to the rest of the article and you'll see what I mean. Uses x (talk •

contribs) 19:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Agree. Again, the number of units has its rhetoric significance to the theme. In my opinion, this incident is one of serious misconduct, lacking empathy of any kind, and given his social stature, deserving a section of it's own. Wikipedia witg its transparency, ought to send this message loud and clear that if any want a polished profile , they need to live up to their social stature. Rawwbots (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rawwbots Wikipedia isn't for activism or to spread a message. I'm happy with the language in your contribution (you're just stating the facts), but it's very one-sided, and the small details are for the shoe article which is linked to in the section that's already there (so people who are interested in every detail can just click it). Uses x (talk • contribs) 22:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23 is making it obvious that he holds definite interest in Lil Nas X page. I am proposing this article for legal escalation and without prejudice to any and all , and who have contributed to this article.

@Rawwbots:, you do realize that everytime you attempt to ping another editor, it works only if you sign your posts at the same time as the mention of the username? And, of course, you continue not to indent. Sigh. What do you mean by "legal escalation"?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:39, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23 You ain't sure of what legal escalation is? No worries.I am sure you will have enough time onward to educate yourself.

  • @Uses x, Politanvm, Ardenter, Paris1127, and Rawwbots: I've done two things to the article, explained in detail in my edit summaries. I've restored the original refs in which Rawwbots inexplicably took out the publication dates, and I've rewritten the section itself, shameless cribbing material from other articles. There were inaccuracies in the (mostly) Rawwbots version, and there was some blatant copyright infringement as well. I also felt that the placement of the section should be more appropriately after the "Public image" section rather than the "Personal life" section. Finally, I removed the word "controversy" from the section header as unnecessary and discouraged generally by Wikipedia. I'm letting everyone who has edited in this area know.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:42, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the edits and doing your part to avoid an edit war (even though you weren’t the one warring). I agree with @Uses x that this would be better included in the Montero subsection that already discusses the Satan Shoes. The writing seems NPOV and the appropriate length to meet WP:DUE, but it doesn’t seem due to give a top level section to something that’s a relatively small component of why Lil Nas X is notable. Satan shoes are just a tangent off of a music video, not a primary topic of Lil Nas X’s biography. POLITANVM talk 16:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Uses x has made the Satan Shoes section a subsection of the Public image section. I hadn't noticed that there was a brief mention of the incident in the Montero section. I agree with you, Politanvm, that it would be best as a subection of the Montero section and, at the same time, eliminate the mention in the Montero section itself to avoid duplication. What do you think, Uses x? At a minimum, we shouldn't have the same material in two different places.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
  • I've gone ahead and moved the subsection, tying it in in the body of it to the Montero song so it makes sense, and removing the redundant material from the Montero section itself.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Lil Naz X played Glastonbury Festival

In 2019 Lil Naz X played along with Miley Cyrus on 30th June on the Pyramid Stage on Sunday at the UK's, Glastonbury Festival. Intothevalleyofthedolls (talk) 12:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2021 (2)

Pop rock should be added as a genre for him since 2/7 songs on his EP fall into this genre and it is listed on the EP's page. 68.229.98.135 (talk) 03:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:07, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2021

In the singles section, Holiday should no longer be listed as part of the upcoming Montero album. Plans have changed, I guess. (https://www.reddit.com/r/LilNasX/comments/oor18y/holiday_is_not_on_the_album/) 68.229.98.135 (talk) 03:41, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: That source is unreliable. Tweets can be edited, and I checked Lil Nas X's Twitter for that exact tweet and it didn't show up. If you can find a reliable source that states this, I would be happy to add it. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 12:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Is referring to him as "Nas X" proper encyclopedic style?

It seems like the article is written as if "Lil" was a first name and "Nas X" was a last name. Is this something that has been established as standard and encyclopedic for stage names that don't follow traditional first-name-last-name conventions? Are other rappers like Lil Uzi Vert referred to as "Uzi Vert"? (I checked, and the shorthand is used once on his page, as opposed to dozens of times here). It seems like referring to artists by their real life last name is still the standard format. So LNX should either be called "Lil Nas X" or "Hill", in my opinion. I'd love to hear other people's input on this convention. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 17:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Nikki Lee 1999, I agree with you, and on other artists articles I've seen it done the way you suggest. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Here is guidance on this: MOS:SURNAME. It explains that the whole pseudonym should be used, in this case. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 23:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2021

Change "Later in a New York Times Magazine article, the fact that he was in fact the owner of the account" to "Later in a New York Times Magazine article, the fact that he was actually the owner of the account" Nome original (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done — LauritzT (talk) 17:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit request for an RIAA music certification on Old Town Road

Request Change "RIAA: 14x Platinum[174]" to "RIAA: 14x Diamond[174] for the RIAA music certification on the Old Town Road single. This change is based on information from the already linked reference webpage: [1] On there the certification medal appears as "Diamond 14x" and when you click share it reads: "LIL NAS X earned RIAA 14x Diamond Award for OLD TOWN ROAD (FEAT. BILLY RAY CYRUS)." Also, the referenced webpage claims Old town Road to have 14 million certified units meeting the RIAA 10 million unit requirement for a diamond certification.[2] This makes the previous Wikipedia article incorrect. Rafbru (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC) Rafbru (talk) 21:17, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Lil Nas X. If possible, please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. If you cannot edit the article's talk page, you can instead make your request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for edits to a protected page. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 Partly done: Changed "RIAA: 14x Platinum" to "RIAA: 14x Diamond" per source. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

... Diamond is 10 million. 14× diamond would mean 140 million, nothing such high certified single exists. When you click on more info: the data you see is the timeline of certifications and it lists 14 platinum certified units not 14 diamond. RIAA just has weird display of that award on the side, it's misleading. Dhoffryn (talk) 00:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that, @Dhoffryn, it was misleading. So the article should rad "RIAA: 1X Diamond", correct? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I would sooner put 14× Platinum. That level surpasses Diamond one (10× platinum). I have noticed this issue before, it did bug me, because it gives a wrong picture if you don't know the details. Dhoffryn (talk) 09:54, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&ar=Lil+Nas+X&ti=&format=&type=#search_section
  2. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_recording_certifications

Grew up listening to Lil Uzi Vert

How'd Lil Nas X (born 1999) "grow up listening to … Lil Uzi Vert" who wasn't widely known until 2015-2016? It's fair to call him an influence, but...98.220.8.158 (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

In 2016, Nas was age 15 and turned 16, and in 2016 he was age 16 and turned 17. So was he not growing up? ––FormalDude talk 09:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Lil nas x

International raper and sang old town road 2A01:4C8:C22:5513:65C7:7499:8D41:C315 (talk) 21:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

This is already covered in the article so I'm not sure what you are asking for here. DanielRigal (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

== new Lil Nas X songs == montero,sun goes down,industry baby

Around 4 or 5 months--Ziya love (talk) 15:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)Bold text ago I looked at the 'singles' section of this wikipedia page, and I saw two singles before Old Town Road: 'Thanos (Blow It)', and 'Donald Trump'. Then, for whatever reason, they got removed. I also realized that this page does not have ANY songs from Lil Nas X's mixtape, 'Nasarati'. So can someone edit this page to include those songs, and possibly make an entire new page titled 'Nasarati (Lil Nas X mixtape)? Pls? 2603:6000:8A00:7638:FDDE:C5B7:A6E7:2EEF (talk) 12:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

The singles were probably removed due to the fact that they are not actual singles, but that is just my guess. The discography section only lists singles, promotional singles, and other charted songs. From my knowledge, none of the Nasarati songs charted, so they shouldn't be included. As well, the mixtape doesn't seem to meet the guideline for determining notability of albums, so I don't think a page is warranted. Thanks! Doggy54321 (let's chat!) 18:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
GogoLion edited the page in mid-April [2], saying that multiple sources had listed "Old Town Road" as Nas' debut single. As well, I did some looking, and I saw that the sources backing up the single status for both songs were Spotify links that had the songs listed as singles, which isn't a valid indication of single status. At most, the songs would be promotional singles, since they had independent releases. Thanks! Dodoggy54321 (let's chat!) 18:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Well can't we at least list them in 'other songs'? 2603:6000:8A00:7638:FDDE:C5B7:A6E7:2EEF (talk) 12:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Only if they have charted, due to the fact that the section title is #Other charted songs. Ddoggy54321 (let's chat!) 14:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Checking in to collaborate on improvements

Hi all! I just had a long talk with Troy.æ about Lil Nas X and we would love to help improve the quality of this article from C class to sommething better.

Who is here that also wants to see this article get more readable? HemingwayApp is saying that the opening paragraphs have a readability level of post-graduate, so we want to at least fix those.

FormalDude, what do you think most needs work to make this article worthy of a higher review? DrMel (talk) 09:00, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

How did you have a long talk with Troy.æ when that account has only made two edits? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 20:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
We know each other IRL and I've been working on wiki projects for a long long time. I invited Troy.æ to pick an article we could help improve, and we started discussing who we respect most in the world. I hadn't heard of Lil Nas X before yesterday, but am super impressed, and the article clearly has room for improvement. So... step 1... who else is here that wants to see the article improved, and in what ways? seems a lot more fun working together than getting into disagreements about what can or cant be changed.  ;-) DrMel (talk) 01:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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