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A fact from Madeleine Steere appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Australian Madeleine Steere played water polo professionally in Turkey after studying biomolecular science in the United States?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Madeleine Steere.

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 12:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Australian water polo player Madeleine Steere was selected in the "2018 All-American team" in her second college year? Source: "In 2017 Steere joined the University of Michigan and in her two seasons with the side has gained recognition of her skills through selection in the 2018 All-American team." [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Misfat Al Abriyeen

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 05:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Madeleine Steere; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nice work on this article! I only have a couple small issues that need addressing before I can pass this: the lead section is too short, it should really be expanded given the amount of information in the text of the article; and the first "a" in the "australia women's" section should be capitalised. Grnrchst (talk) 12:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grnrchst: Thank you for your review. The said issues are addressed. Please check. CeeGee 09:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for seeing to it! I still think the lead could be a bit longer, but am happy to pass this review the now. Nice work :) --Grnrchst (talk) 09:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for approving. You are free to expand the lede. CeeGee 06:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith I'm not familiar with American college sports: is this an interesting hook ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:13, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not interesting to me, but I don't know anything about college sports either. Why is "2018 All-American team" in scare quotes? What in particular makes this interesting? They have an all-american team every year. What makes this person being selected to it special? Grammar nit: shouldn't it be "selected for" instead of "selected in"?

CeeGee I don't think this hook meets the interestingness criterion. Is it possible for you to find a better one? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have also tagged it as needing copyediting; there are numerous odd errors ("She capped in 67 international matches", "She enjoyed her team's champions title", etc.). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedited accordingly. I can not locate "etc." Thanks for your check. CeeGee 06:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

... you haven't. "she capped in" --> "she cappeared" is not an improvement. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: Ooh! Sorry, I missed it. Thank you again for your attention. I corrected it now. Check please. CeeGee 08:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have not. CeeGee, it might be good for you to nominate this article at WP:GOCE. In any case, you have not provided a new hook; unless you propose a new one which meets the criteria, this nomination will be rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just requested copyediting by the Guild of Copy Editors. Below is another hook for review:CeeGee 10:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that Australian water polo player Madeleine Steere moved to Turkey and helped her team to win the 2023–24 European Challenger Cup? Source:[2] [3] CeeGee 10:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd support alt1 as a hook. I think this is more interesting than the initial proposal. @AirshipJungleman29: Thoughts? --Grnrchst (talk) 12:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: Any comments on the above? Z1720 (talk) 17:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources do not support the hook (no mention of Steere "helping" her team, just her name in a roster—WP:SYNTH), which is in any case of the simple "person does job"-type. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:21, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that Australian water polo player Madeleine Steere joined a Turkish team, which then won the 2023–24 European Challenger Cup? CeeGee 06:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 ... that water polo player Madeleine Steere won the 2012 Pan Pacific Games captaining the Australian U-16 team?

Yet another hook for your consideration. I feel "gold medal as captain" sounds like a clear achievement, even if only with the U-16 team. –LordPeterII (talk) 10:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I assume this is on hold while the orange tag remains? Kingsif (talk) 02:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: Yes, as long as a nominated article has an orange tag that isn't resolved, it can't be approved or promoted. @CeeGee: Given that the nomination is already over three months old I would suggest this being given at most another week to resolve any issues, otherwise it should be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif and CeeGee: Fixed ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank all, who are involved in the discussion. Yet, I, for myself, am confused, and do not know what is expected from me. I would do immeadiately what is required. CeeGee 05:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the hook needs to be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest. All of the hooks proposed thus far fall into the category of "of person does job", which is never that unusual or intriguing unless the job is itself really unusual or interesting. None of "sportsperson was selected in team", "sportsperson won a trophy", or "sportsperson was captain of a youth team" is unusual or interesting. I cannot find anything suitable in the article either, not helped by the fact that nearly every sentence needs copyediting. I might just sort that bit out myself. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CeeGee, I have copyedited the article, so only the WP:DYKINT issues (see above comment) remain. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: Thank you very much indeed. Maybe the following: CeeGee 11:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4: .. that Australian Madeleine Steere played water polo professionally in Turkey after studying biomolecular science in the U.S.?

- - CeeGee, does she still play in Turkey? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - @AirshipJungleman29: Very good question. As I can check the current squad, she is no more on. I changed the ALT4-hook accordingly. CeeGee 13:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - CeeGee, has she graduated? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        @AirshipJungleman29: The reference, which you've removed, stated that she is a Pharmaceutical mediciner from profession. Unfortunately, the link was deleted. So, I change the ALT4-hook as "studied", which is referenced. CeeGee 16:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        ALT4 only approved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]