Talk:Molly Neptune Parker

A fact from Molly Neptune Parker appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 August 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Molly Neptune Parker was able to support her family, buy a home, and pay for her grandchildren's education through basket weaving?

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 12:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that baskets made by Molly Neptune Parker are included at the Abbe Museum?
- ALT1:... that American basketweaver Molly Neptune Parker revitalized the basketry of the Passamaquoddy people?

Reviewed: Jeffrey Kurtzman

Created by Ta2dLibrarian (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 07:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC).[reply]

DYK requirements are met, no close paraphrasing was found, both hooks are cited inline (AGF on the offline sources), and a QPQ has been done. A different hook might be needed here: ALT0's significance isn't clear from the hook, ALT1 may need either a revision or additional context (in what way did she revitalize the basketry of the Passamaquoddy?) and also may need to avoid too many mentions of "basket". Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:27, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I found the source for ALT1 on Google Books and the way she helped revitalize it isn't DYK worthy. What about ALT2 ... that baskets made by Molly Neptune Parker are worth thousands of dollars? I know that The New York Times stated it, but I found [1] to verify the claim. SL93 (talk) 12:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Home and Away link doesn't explicitly say though that the basket is worth thousands of dollars (there's a price listed but it might not be suitable for DYK purposes). For clarification, could you provide the relevant quote from the NYT source? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I added it to the article and the quote is - "In time she would become a celebrated and collected artist whose work would fetch thousands of dollars — so well known that when she traveled, people would call out her name in airports." SL93 (talk) 12:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That actually sounds really good. Maybe you can write a hook based on the airport thing? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I added more to the article. ALT3 ... that people would call American basketweaver Molly Neptune Parker by name at airports because of how well known she was? SL93 (talk) 15:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Almost there, but I think the "how well-known she was" part could be revised a bit as I'm not sure exactly how well known she was at the time. Maybe the focus could be on using the "celebrated and collected artist" wording instead of "well-known" instead? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: ALT4 ... that American basketweaver Molly Neptune Parker, who had won multiple awards for her work, was known by other people at airports? SL93 (talk) 02:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That wording is a little vague, it might be better to stick with the "name was called out at airports" phrasing. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:07, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I'm at a loss. SL93 (talk) 03:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4a ... that American basketweaver Molly Neptune Parker, who had won multiple awards for her work, was called out by name at airports?

Something along those lines? Although now that I think about it, ALT3 is probably the better option, so let's just go with that.

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, and ended up doing a lot of editing on the article to bring it up to speed and incorporate some of the material from the sources that was overlooked. More about her artistry should be written. I think the airport thing is dumb and it's just a throwaway line in the lead of the New York Times article. I suggest something more about her, like:
ALT5: ... that Molly Neptune Parker was able to support her family, buy a home, and pay for her grandchildren's education through basket weaving? Yoninah (talk) 18:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: Thanks for the edits and new hook. I didn't like the airport hook either, but I don't like arguing back and forth about hooks. Though about your comment saying that more about her artistry should be written, I won't be adding that as the article is fine for DYK purposes. I would agree about it being needed if I was going for GA. SL93 (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT5 sounds fine, but if better sourcing could be found, my preference would be a hook about how her baskets cost thousands of dollars, since baskets costing that much sounds like a surprising fact. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Would this source work for it? SL93 (talk) 23:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Ok. I added the source to the article. Maybe we could go with a small variation of ALT2. ALT2a ... that baskets weaved by Molly Neptune Parker are worth thousands of dollars? SL93 (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Approving ALT5 and ALT2's revised version (which I've labeled as ALT2a) as meeting requirements. I will leave the final choice of hook to the promoter. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]