Talk:Music of Grim Fandango
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Outline of sources
[edit]This below outlines the sources used to develop the article, as first published on December 31st, 2019.
Several reliable, secondary, non-academic sources make the music of the game, and not just the game overall, a central part of their coverage. Some of these are:
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Academic sources are also referenced, with most of them analyzing the Grim Fandango soundtrack development from a scholarly perspective, in the context of the history of music in the video game industry:
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Note: there are additional academic sources that may provide further coverage on the music of Grim Fandango, but which are behind paywalls and were not used at the time of first publication of this article (and which other editors could try to access and further enrich the article with). Some of those sources are:
- Scirea, Marco; Cheong, Yun-Gyung; Nelson, Mark J.; Bae, Byung-Chull (2014). "Evaluating musical foreshadowing of videogame narrative experiences". In Grimshaw, Mark (ed.). Proceedings of the 9th Audio Mostly: A Conference on Interaction With Sound. Association for Computing Machinery. doi:10.1145/2636879.2636889. ISBN 9781450330329.
{{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter:|1=(help) - Ivnescu, Andra (October 2015). "Torched song: The hyperreal and the music of L.A. Noire". The Soundtrack. 8 (1–2). Intellect: 41–56. doi:10.1386/st.8.1-2.41_1.
- Rauscher, Andreas (August 11, 2012). "Scoring Play – Soundtracks and Video Game Genres". In Moorman, Peter (ed.). Music and Game - perspectives on a popular alliance. Springer VS, Wiesbaden. p. 93-105. doi:10.1007/978-3-531-18913-0_5. ISBN 978-3-531-18913-0.
Another kind of sources used are reviews of the game overall that also include meaningful mentions and critiques of the soundtrack.
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Parts of the article are also fleshed out with interviews of the composer Peter McConnell, most of which the interviewers pay special attention to the music of Grim Fandango. Care is taken in not editorializing or interpreting beyond what any reasonable reader would conclude from reading the source material. Often, not just statements from the interviewee are used, but also analysis from the interviewers. Of the interview information, inclusion is primarily driven by those questions consistently asked across several interviews, and in which answers are consistent and deemed credible by the interviewers.
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Objective data is also extracted from primary sources, such as from the album covers, or the in-game credits, or the credits printed in the game's manual. That is neutral information that is allowed in Wikipedia, including specifically for music albums. This information is mostly used in this article to feed information into the "Track listings", "Releases", and "Personnel" sections.
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Three publications/sources by parties closely related to the subject of the article are used (not independent from the subject). This is again with the understanding that primary sources can be used in Wikipedia when done with care and are not becoming the major sources for the article, and by the establishment of the notability of the article not hinging on them.
- One article published by Peter McConnell, the composer of the Music of Grim Fandango: McConnell, Peter (September 1999). "Dance of the Dead: The Adventures of a Composer Creating the Game Music for Grim Fandango". Electronic Musician. 15 (9). New York: NewBay Media, LLC: 30–32, 35–36, 38–40, 42. ISSN 0884-4720. Archived from the original on July 13, 2019. Retrieved July 12, 2019.
- One press release published by one of the music studios engaged to remaster the soundtrack: "Pyramind Studios Contributes to Double Fine's Grim Fandango Remastered". Pyramind Studios. February 2, 2015. Retrieved September 30, 2019.
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) - One making-of documentary, which is only used to quote McConnell in unpacking his view of how the project felt like an opera to him (a concept that is also documented in other third party sources references in the article): Peter McConnell (2015). Grim Fandango Remastered: The Resurrection of Sound with composer Peter McConnell (YouTube Video). Double Fine Productions. Event occurs at 7:35.
Note: There are is least one other interesting publication by closely-related parties to the subject of the article: the official LucasArts website about Grim Fandango, as published in 1998. This source was not used in the original drafting of this article. Peter McConnell, the composer for the music, is quoted there providing insights into the inspiration, production and meaning of three musical pieces for the game. Part of those insights are already documented in other third party publications and captured in this wikipedia article that way. Some additional details from this source might also be brought into the article in the future:
- McConnell, Peter (1998). "Grim Fandango Files — The Music". LucasArts. Archived from the original on February 14, 2007. Retrieved September 17, 2007.
Finally, other independent and reliable sources are used besides the ones outlined above that complement and reinforce the quality of the article.
As can be seen here above, information is drawn from a wide variety of sources. That includes non-English sources, such as Spanish, French, German, and Polish. Sources are also varied in that some are online, some off-line, and some only partially available online. To make the referencing as robust, transparent, and useful as possible to anyone wishing to dive deeper, some quotes (and translations for them when fitting) are provided within the referencing.
Thank you.Al83tito (talk) 18:21, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- ... that the music of Grim Fandango (composer pictured) includes a unique blend of South American folk music, jazz, swing and film noir-era big band sounds?
- ALT1:... that the composition of the music of Grim Fandango (composer pictured) started with the recording of a “beatnik”-kind recitation of the script of the video game, to guide the style of each musical piece?
- ALT2:... that the music of Grim Fandango (composer pictured) is considered one of the best early examples of adaptive music systems in video gaming, heralding the era of cinematic experiences in video game play?
Created by Al83tito (talk). Self-nominated at 23:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC).
Article is new and long enough. Nominator is QPQ exempt. Only ping on Earwigs is from a large quotation. Hooks are cited in article; passing with a preference for ALT2. Morgan695 (talk) 01:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Feedback
[edit]Just Assessed this article, and a very well done Al83tito for making a a great article which certainly has potential to be a good article. I made a few tweaks. If you want to improve this article further here are some suggestions: Consider MOS:CITELEAD and relocate or remove most references from the lead since it is already referenced in the main body. Expanding references wikilinking the website/work parameter and adding the publisher parameter where approriate. (i.e. website=Polygon publisher=Vox Media). Consider ordering the references numerically. (i.e. if you are referencing a sentence with three refs order in ascending order, though not neccessary). Regardless, a great article. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 17:26, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Spy-cicle: I think shortly after your review and note, I pressed the thank button to express my appreciation for both. However, I feel I owe you a written response. So albeit two years and a half after, let me better reply. First, Thank you very much for taking the interest and time to review in detail this not-so-short article, and for making improvements to it. Second, thank you for being so kind to write this message above; it took me a long time to research and write the article, and it feels very good to have this positive review and have someone as yourself be so encouraging. Best, Al83tito (talk) 14:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)