Talk:National Front (France)

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immigration policy[edit]

Can someone add the following? Their current policy is as follows:

"In terms of legal immigration, the objective is to achieve a balance of around 10 000 foreigners per year in our country. This goal is easily attainable and comes in two parts:

a) The drastic reduction of the issued residence permits, by: 
- Labor immigration stop (with a few exceptions matching specific skills and little available in France); 
- Discontinuation of family reunification; 
- The fight against fake students (once this struggle, the logic of the study cycle that he must enter each year about as much foreign students that emerges logic that applies to French students. at the entrance and exit of universities ...); 
- Reform of asylum to limit it to a few hundred cases per year (on the model of what practical Japan).

b) The departure of a number of legal aliens already present in France, but whose presence is no longer justified by:

- The return of convicted foreigners (restoring the double-penalty abolished by Nicolas Sarkozy); 
- The obligation to leave the territory for foreigners unemployed for over a year; 
- Modification of existing residence permits, following the tightening of conditions for obtaining news." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oranginaj (talkcontribs) 23:23, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

The FN are not a 3rd party source[edit]

"Most political commentators place the FN on the right[13][14][15][16] to far right[19][20][21][22][dubious – discuss] but party representatives reject this and suggest other ways of looking at the left–right axis.[23]" That is what is says in the intro.

But the FN cannot be allowed to be a 3rd party source on themselves. They can call black white if that is what they want to do, but unless reliable 3d party sources support that, is has no place in the article.

Thus the line that they reject this and see themselves as X ought to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:17, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Don't be absurd. How a political party presents itself is a key information. Mezigue (talk) 21:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
agree 100%, this is ludicrous, the cite string is also silly, most of the sources support the first half of the sentence, not the second. Needs clarity. Pandroid (talk) 09:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
The cite string is necessary because of editors like the 174 IP who just posted to the "Right wing?" thread (now archived), insisting that the National Front is not right-wing, and that the only reason it is labelled as such is because the left-wing controls Wikipedia. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Granted, though, the first four citations are rather terrible, all things considered (TIME, Business Insider, VICE, and IBT), and could do with replacing. Mélencron (talk) 20:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I disagree about TIME. Time is a mainstream magazine, representing mainstream views, and really cannot be mistaken for a leftish source. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:12, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
In general, I'm not at all a fan of using U.S. publications as sources on articles about European politics (aside from the largest papers of record, but even then they sometimes fail; before the Socialist primary, the NYT had an article on the decline of the PS and didn't mention Hamon even once) – their coverage is typically abysmal and comes from an overtly American perspective (if the deluge of articles about Le Pen doesn't already show that). I don't see any major issue with the contents of the TIME reference, so you're free to reinstate it if you so wish. Mélencron (talk) 21:18, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
No idea what the outcome of the above was, but the original comment seems fair to me. How a political party represents itself is not an independent or reliable source. Pretty obviously a political party with extremist views might well call itself 'centrist' or similar - but that does not make them centrist. The hostility of some of the responses here to a fair and logical point suggest bias on the part of those who have made such comments. This issue needs re-considering. (talk) 11:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

One poll?[edit]

This dramatic statement is in the introduction "and in December 2016 it was the most popular party among French citizens ages 18-34, according to an Odoxa-Dentsu Consulting poll.[40]" If true, over a number of polls, then that would be quite a surprise and worthy of inclusion in the introduction.

But until that time, until several polls show that to be true, I think that that claim should be deleted. Why? Because it is, after all, highly unlikely that the younger generation are far-right when, typically, they are left wing or environmentalist. One poll is not enough evidence to support this claim. (talk) 11:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Why "National Front"?[edit]

Why not just keep the original name of Front National? It's perfectly understandable and makes more sense when we are using the FN abbreviation throughout the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CFEA:170:7D62:93EF:8460:F781 (talk) 01:06, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Direct translation acknowledging adjectival position, primary name in English, and because it's logical ("national front" is a general name). We don't create English-language abbreviations that don't exist: for example, nobody calls the French Socialist Party "SP", or the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party "SSWP", so we maintain the native-language abbreviation because it makes the most sense. (Not to mention that it'd completely ruin the single-letter abbreviation system for names of many political parties in the Nordic countries; "V" becomes "L", "A" becomes "L" as well, "S" becomes "C", etc.) Mélencron (talk) 01:39, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Assimilation of Muslims[edit]

I think the section on immigration should contain some references to assimilation and republican universalism. Under certain interpretations of republican universalism, Muslim immigrants must assimilate into French culture. The French must a single "people" in the sense that citizens have their French identity first, and any other identity second. Some have questioned whether or not French Muslims can truly assimilate into French culture in this way. Many of these questions related to republican universalism have come to the fore with Le Pen's talk about "immigrants" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstevenmarsden (talkcontribs) 15:42, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Political position not showing[edit]

The well cited 'right-wing to far-right' political position in the info box is not currently showing. It seem one or multiple users have been messing about with it. Wondering if anyone can fix this please? Helper201 (talk) 16:57, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Mélencron (talk) 17:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)