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Not moved, 23 October 2013, to Patta.
Not moved, 28 November 2024, to Pata, see discussion.

answers.com

Er, ignore me. I was just amused that Answers.com took the information directly from this page. Belathus 06:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answers.com tales their information from Wikipedia in general. ;) Arundhati bakshi 11:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This weapon is awesome!

If this weapon was just a more like a glove I would say it was the ultimate weapon! They should've made the armor go right around the hand so his hand would not have been cut off, if I could I would personally buy 2 of them if I knew the price! I say that this is the best because you need no sword skill and the weapon can't be disarmed, if armor went right around the hand and wrist, then just normal armor on the arms and etc. however, sonce they didn't make it like a glove someone weilding this, could use a gun or 4 swords all at once!

The problem with this weapon is that the wrists are inflexible. Therefore you cannot easily fence or easily defend yourself. 145.253.108.22 14:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's quite awkward to attempt most attack or defense actions when you have one of these strapped in unless you're used to them. Most people don't realize really how much they use their wrists. Zulu Inuoe (talk) 16:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In Marathi it is called Dand patta with D in dand pronounced like 'the'. Also there are many different stories about how Tanaji actually died. According to the once told in my region he used a sword and a shield and was killed because she shield failed. Also Netaji Palkar, the General of Shivaji's infantry is said to be a master of the weapon and could kill a person from distance of nau haat (litaraly nine hands). During Ganesh festivals dand patta shows are held. You should see them if you come to Pune. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikhil Sanjay Bapat (talk • contribs) 07:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC) --Nikhil Sanjay Bapat (talk) 08:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC) It is actually a very flexible weapon something like long heck saw blade so maybe inflexibility of wrists is compenceted there.--Nikhil Sanjay Bapat (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this weapon is really only of antiquarian interest. Sort of "it seemed like a good idea at the time". A bladed weapon that blocks your wrist movement is just an extremely bad idea. Obviously you can still kill people with it if you're a good swordsman, but this just means that you could just have done twice as much with a real sword. The way sword evolution did take in the end was the rapier with its elaborate hand guard constructions designed to protect the hand as much as possible without obstructing movement. --dab (𒁳) 15:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 17:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name

I assume the name "Pata" comes from Portuguese? Danceswithzerglings (talk) 01:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And why would you assume that? ElbowLick (talk) 23:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It means "paw" or "claw" in the language. It would be an amazing coincidence if the two words are not related. Danceswithzerglings (talk)

Nope, it's from Marathi paṭṭā meaning strap or handle. It's not really an "amazing coincidence" - p, t and a are incredibly common sounds and it's only two syllables long. --2.216.83.245 (talk) 13:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. No evidence was provided that the primary topic for Pata/Patta is the sword. EdJohnston (talk) 05:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pata (sword) → Patta – Unnecessary disambiguation when the equally common patta transliteration already exists. Morinae (talk) 12:27, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There is more to this. Proposer has themselves move the article previously at Patta to Patta Fort. Andrewa (talk) 06:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I've converted Patta to a disambiguation page, so unless it can be shown that the sword is the primary topic for "Patta," the status quo should be maintained. --BDD (talk) 19:17, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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A few problems

Hi there! I'm new, and i made an account to point out a few issues with this page, namely: 1. There is mention of the pata being a thrusting weapon but the page the citation links to doesn't mention that. 2. Citation number 2 leads to a life insurance site with nothing to do with swords. 3. There needs to be a citation after the line: "Alternatively, a single pata was used in addition to a belt, javelin, or axe in the other hand." 4. Where did citation 1 get its info from? The Wikipedia article states in one part that it's a cavalry weapon, another states that it's effective against cavalry, and it is said to have been dual wielded. If it was dual wielded, how in the world would the cavalrymen have rode their horse?

I'm not an expert or anything, but these just seemed like things I needed to point out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Groudon466 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The pata is by no means a Northern Indian weapon. The widest use was found during the Mahratta campaigns in 18th century Central India. By closely comparing katar (Jhamdar katari) daggers and its various ("hooded") forms, and the depictions in Southern Indian sculpture (Madurai i.e. ) it is safe to say that the type originated in Southern India as early as the beginning of the 17th century.

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Requested move 28 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pata (sword) → Pata
Pata → Pata (disambiguation)

– Clear primary topic by pageviews and longterm significance. The next most popular page that does not fall under WP:PTM is Pata (musician), but it has significantly fewer pageviews. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mass views mostly shows comparable items to be acronyms, so PATA should simply be split off if we do this. --Joy (talk) 11:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't oppose PATA going to the DAB page rather than the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Pageviews do not paint a full picture given that the Indian sword has multiple English spellings, so any one spelling should be given less weight. Overall, the Google results do not suggest any clear referent. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The spelling that gets the most use in reliable sources is "pata" as it is currently named. [1] ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning oppose based on the sheer number of possible meanings. BD2412 T 15:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose Pata can have multiple meaning in Indian languages.In Marathi it can also mean a trouser belt.To avoid any ambiguity, the existing title should be retained.Thanks Jonathansammy (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:USEENGLISH, what it can mean in other languages doesn't matter for this purpose. Pata as an English word means the sword. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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