Talk:Pramila Jayapal

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unnecessary personal details about child

The article gives the name of one of Jayapal's children as well as revealing personal information. Now, this is in fact backed up by something from a "reliable source" (NBC). But just because some "reliable source" sees fit to print it surely does not mean that the wikipedia can show no discretion. At least, no names should be mentioned i think.

In fact, personal information about the Congresswoman is a good idea --- she certainly seems to have come from a very prosperous family --- but i think information about the children, and especially when naming them, is just not right. Son of eugene (talk) 22:14, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Details on family members from India who have moved to the US

Is it possible to add more details on Jayapal's Indian family members who have come to live in the US. It seems odd that she was able to come to the US and her sister and both stayed on. Are her parents in the US now? Just more family background and history would be interesting. 118.174.192.8 (talk) 02:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Her sister Susheela is running for congress after Earl Buchammer is retiring in 2024. I added 3 sources to confirm this. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 05:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did she really say this?

This is just incomprehensible: "Jayapal publicly wrote that she had chosen to abort a pregnancy because the pregnancy would risk her and the unborn child's health"

The abortion didn't risk her unborn child's health? 2001:8003:70F5:2400:ADB7:B16C:9CB9:A85E (talk) 04:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That claim is a citation to an opinion piece in the New York Times allegedly authored by her entitled, "Rep. Pramila Jayapal: The Story of My Abortion".

The question of when life begins is ultimately a religious question. References to an "unborn child" are statements of religious belief. The Wikipedia article on infanticide claims (2022-08-10), "Most Stone Age human societies routinely practiced infanticide, and estimates of children killed by infanticide in the Mesolithic and Neolithic eras vary from 15 to 50 percent." Evidently, when life itself was so precarious, people did not consider infants to be fully human, with any rights that needed to be protected, especially if they threatened the ability of larger society to provide for and protect itself. However, I think the vast majority of people living today would agree that a child is alive and human after it takes its first breath. Any claim that a fetus is a child is a statement of religious belief. See, e.g.:

Kelsey Vlamis (17 June 2022). "A Synagogue in Florida is suing the state over its abortion law, arguing it violates the religious freedom of Jewish people". Business Insider. Wikidata Q113486880.
EPHRAIM SHERMAN (22 May 2019). "What Jewish law really says about abortion". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Wikidata Q113486981.
Jennifer Rubin (24 July 2022). "Doctors and patients deserve a 'conscience' exception to abortion bans". The Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Wikidata Q113487021.

Freedom of religion is protected in the US by First Amendment to the United States Constitution. I think the Roe v. Wade decision of the US Supreme Court should have been based on freedom of religion, not some poorly understood right to privacy. DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:35, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did Jayapal interrupt the 2016 count of electoral college votes?

On 2022-10-30T09:53:23 and again on 2022-10-30T22:31:28, the same questionable edit was added to this article from two different IP addresses:

She is infamous for interrupting Congress’s counting of the electoral college votes in 2016, before being rebuked by then-Vice President Joe Biden.

If anyone has a citation that documents this, I might remove the word "infamous" but would be less inclined to revert it. However, without that, I am reverting this. If it happens again, I plan to request Wikipedia:Protection policy#Semi-protection for this article for a while.

Comments? Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 02:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

She did object to the electoral vote count. But note the weight given to it by this RS. Not much. If the IP is trying to claim "both sides do it", this is not the same as what happened on January 6, 2021. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. What do you suggest we do if the IP restores the quote with a citation? Thanks again. DavidMCEddy (talk) 16:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here's another RS that calls them "scattered objections". Here's local coverage in Jayapal's market that also doesn't give it much weight. I'd lean against inclusion per WP:NOTNEWS. The objections should be (and I believe are) mentioned on the appropriate 2016 election page, but surely every House member that objected knew that they did not have any senators signing on, which meant that their objections were mere political theater. Whereas in January 2021, certain senators were on record as ready to object and make an attempt to steal the election. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, DavidMCEddy (talk) 17:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Malayali or Tamil?

Is Jayapal Malayali or Tamil?

She was born in Chennai, part of what is today Tamil Nadu, and a reference from The Seattle Times claimed she is Tamil.^[1]

However, her mother was quoted in another article as saying she was "sorry that we didn’t keep up speaking Malayalam at home."^[2]

That sounds to me like she is Malayali, NOT Tamil. However, it would be better if we could get a more reliable source than just an article in The Seattle Times, especially since that would seem to be contradicted by an interview with her mother published in Firstpost.

I have a cousin who lives in Jayapals' district. I could ask this cousin if she would ask Jayapal's office (a) what is correct, and (b) for a source that we can cite that is more definitive than what we have now. We could also ask the reporters for the article in The Seattle Times. ??? Thanks, DavidMCEddy (talk) 06:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rodw: What evidence do you have that she's Tamil?

My limited research suggests that she may more likely be [[Mal

ayali]], though born in what is now Tamil Nadu.

I would like to see a source that seems more reliable than the 2016 Beekman et al. article in the Seattle times, especially when it seems contradicted by the article I found reporting an interview with her mother. DavidMCEddy (talk) 01:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: What evidence do you have that she's Tamil?

A news report cited above quoted her mother as saying, ""sorry that we didn’t keep up speaking Malayalam at home."^[2] That sounds to me like she is Malayam, born in what is now Tamil Nadu.

By analogy, George W. Romney "was born to American parents living in the Mormon colonies in Mexico". He claimed US citizenship and even ran for President of the US. Was he American or Mexican?

I think we need more fact checking on whether Jayapal is Tamil or Malayalam. Sadly, I so far have not been able to do more research on this.

Thanks for your support of Wikipedia. DavidMCEddy (talk) 12:27, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Beekman, Daniel; Thomson, Lynn; Rowe, Claudia (November 9, 2016). "Jayapal becomes the first Indian-American and First Tamil woman elected to Congress". The Seattle Times. Archived from the original on November 15, 2020. Retrieved November 9, 2016.
^ ^a ^b https://www.firstpost.com/living/indian-american-congresswoman-pramila-jayapals-parents-shes-interested-in-social-justice-3112814.html

[1] Beekman, Daniel; Thomson, Lynn; Rowe, Claudia (November 9, 2016). "Jayapal becomes the first Indian-American and First Tamil woman elected to Congress". The Seattle Times. Archived from the original on November 15, 2020. Retrieved November 9, 2016.

[Mother-2] ttps://www.firstpost.com/living/indian-american-congresswoman-pramila-jayapals-parents-shes-interested-in-social-justice-3112814.html

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