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On 25 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Raymond Robinson (disfigured man). The result of the discussion was not moved.

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In Raymond Robinson's life, it is said that he was well liked by family and neighbors. My grandfather was a frequent visitor of Raymond during his night walks in the mid 40's, sometimes helping him along, most times delivering him cigars. My grandfather was only a boy, around the age of 8 or 9. He would purchase the cigars on few occasions, but more likely took them from his father's box under his fathers bed and snuck out of the house. He did in fact, in the middle of his walks, would retreat and relax by a closed bridge, especially when it would rain or bad weather arose. This is where my grandfather made most of his deliveries. I guess I have experienced a different legend of Raymond Robinson, "the green man", throughout my life. Gielsagin (talk) 04:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's one of the weaknesses of Wikipedia: if it's not written down, then it's unsourced or original research. I can understand why, but it's kind of sad, especially in bits of cultural history like this. The myths are much more likely to be published than the facts. The Centipede (talk) 06:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

At least one of the sources did say that he was well liked (I wrote the first version of this article, and I was worried about deletion for non-notability, so I was comically obsessive about sourcing everything). Unfortunately, several of the sources are newspaper articles that have turned into dead links since I found them... That makes me sad and irritated. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Popular Culture has no citations...

moreover what does It's Always Sunny have to do Raymond Robinson? I feel it's speculation at best. - tbone (talk) 05:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. (below) - tbone (talk) 05:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"On the FX show It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, the character of Charlie Kelly takes great relish in dressing up in a full-body, face obscuring neon green spandex body suit to dance around and portray a character he calls Green Man. Charlie used to assume the identity of Green Man at high school football games, and became his school's unofficial mascot. At several points during the series, Charlie resurrects his variation on Green Man, much to the annoyance and protest of the rest of the Gang. As the show takes place in Pennsylvania, this is very likely an homage to the urban legend inspired by the real man. In addition to sharing the name "Green Man" it is interesting to note that this homage to the urban legend of "Charlie No-Face" is essentially a neon green Charlie, with no face."—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbone0204 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree... I didn't notice when that section got added to the article, but it's sheer speculation and doesn't belong. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:16, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was never electrocuted. Obviously.

I changed the two erroneous references to electrocution to being shocked, for the simple but compelling reason that electrocution is by definition fatal. [signed] FLORIDA BRYAN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.153.234.10 (talk) 03:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

The Youtube vid is not a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.100.139.52 (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored the referencing for that statement that was there originally. Given that Thoughty2 often copies from Wikipedia, this would've been citogenesis otherwise, ick! Not sure why the refs were removed in favor of his video. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 02:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 June 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is clear opposition to this proposal. (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 22:32, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Raymond Robinson (Green Man) → Raymond Robinson (disfigured man) – Brackets aren't used for common names. 90.255.6.219 (talk) 16:51, 25 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 18:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Against His most commonly known name is "Green Man" and this has been cited numerous times. This feels like a frivolous change. Chariotsacha (talk) 21:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. The proposed parenthetical qualifier "(disfigured man)" is more intuitive than the proper name "(Green Man)". If subject was indeed known to the public by his putative WP:COMMONNAME — "Green Man" — rather than by his birth name — "Raymond Robinson" — than this entry's main title header should be "Green Man (disfigured man)" or "Green Man (another appropriate qualifier)". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:48, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and Roman Spinner. Distinguishing categories, not alternative names, are used as disambiguators. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed. I agree that we need a qualifier, but disfigured isn't it. It made me cringe. I'd be much more comfortable with either The Green Man or Charlie No-Face as both of those are listed as alternative names, whereas disfigured is not. Mason (talk) 13:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRINGE isn't a good reason. 90.255.6.219 (talk) 07:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cringe isn't my reason, that was my initial reaction. The fact that there are alternative names identified on the page is why I'm opposing the change. Mason (talk) 09:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose (The Green Man) would be okay. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But AFAIK we try to avoid using alternative names as disambiguation phrases, along the lines of the WP:Acronym (name) and WP:Name (acronym) redundancy cases. How about Green Man (Pennsylvania) or Green Man (Pennsylvania urban legend)? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. He is known primarily for the Green Man urban legend, not because he was just disfigured. --Quiz shows 17:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The term disfigured is generally considered derogatory, although it is used by the sources. I prefer @BarrelProof's suggestion of Green Man (Pennsylvania) or Green Man (Pennsylvania urban legend) because it is what he's known for and uses more neutral language. Also, the WP:CRINGE is redlinking for me... would appreciate the appropriate link in case my reasoning isn't sound here. Thank you everyone. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 23:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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