Talk:Sectarianism in Pakistan

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Tagged for extreme POV - IRANIAN FUNDING[edit]

I have tagged the section in this artcile IRANIAN FUNDING as the contents mere seem to be POV push rather than backed by reliable and authentic citations. Please do not remove the tag until the section is with references. - Humaliwalay (talk) 18:07, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Iran is a 90-95% Shia-majority and naturally it funds-supports all Shia militant groups around the world (i.e Hezbullah in Lebanon, Sa'dah insurgency in Yemen, Hezbe Wahdat in Afghanistan, and etc. Iran doesn't hide this from anyone and the internet is filled with many sources to back up the claim in the article. As soon as I get a chance I'll cite that.--AllahLovesYou (talk) 01:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Caption of the Picture says that - Majority Sunnis are often blamed for violence against Shi'as

Then says in article -

The militant Islamic groups banned in Pakistan include two groups which have been often blamed for a stream of sectarian violence in the country.

The Islamic Sunni Sipah-e-Sahaba and the Shia [Not Iranian Trained] Tehrik-e-Jafria have been accused of attacking followers of the rival sects. If you have any differences on the reliability of BBC then please take it on WP:RS/N rather than hampering the article. Humaliwalay (talk) 07:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

  • The caption "Majority Sunnis are often blamed for violence against Shi'as" is a copyright violation when you copy paste that in Wikipedia and you can be blocked for this. Just because BBC mentions this it doesn't mean all Sunnis in Pakistan attack Shias. That's not the case. The fact is that only Sunni radical militant groups attack Shias.
  • Tehrik-e-Jafria was founded by a student of Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini and you still don't think it was not Iranian trained?[1]
Humaliwalay, I'm also informing you here not to leave these same messages on my talk page.--AllahLovesYou (talk) 05:21, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Arif Husain al Husaini was Student of Ayatollah Khomeini, I have no objection mentioning that, but that study was of Jurisprudence not a military training. No where in any references cited are proving your claim that Tehreek e Jafaria was trained by Iranian neither was it acclaimed by any Iranian, Pakistani or even the organization's authority. - Humaliwalay (talk) 05:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Ayatollah Khomeini was the leader of Iran who started the radical Islamic revolution in 1979 and obviously anyone who was Khomeini's student would have close contacts with Shias in Iran. [2]
There is no need for you to revert my constructive edits.--AllahLovesYou (talk) 07:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Please support your claim of OBVIOUS about close contacts with Shias of Iran if a person is student of Khomeini with relevant and authentic sources. I have no problem then. - Humaliwalay (talk) 08:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

The Shiite Iranian revolution had drawn Pakistani Shias into politics in a big way. Leaders of Teherik-i-Jafariya Pakistan (TJP) an organisation of Pakistani Shias formed in 1979 had received training in Iran.

[3] These are not my claims.--AllahLovesYou (talk) 08:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah referred and agreed, have amended the section. with title, please read and expand only with citations. - Humaliwalay (talk) 08:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


Possible copyright problem[edit]

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Need of infobox for Iraq War in Pakistan?[edit]

Please tell me what is the need of info box of Iraq War in this article of Sectarian violence in Pakistan?--Jozoisis (talk) 17:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I have removed it. Mar4d (talk) 03:08, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Edits by Smsarmad[edit]

I inserted the sentence, '.....was set on fire by unidentified arsonists in what might be a religiously or nationalistically-motivated hate crime.....', with the appropriate references, but Smsarmad removed it. If setting a place on fire by arsonists is not sectarian violence, what is?—Khabboos (talk) 18:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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This sentence (above) doesn't seem to be wrapped to the Talk page borders, so someone pls correct it.—Khabboos (talk) 19:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

It's fixed. You started the sentence with a space and that's what did it. Wikipelli Talk 19:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Wikipelli.—Khabboos (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
  • First please read WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. But on top of that the source you cited doesn't say it with surety whether it was a sectarian related violence or not. -- SMS Talk 19:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
And also read WP:VANDALISM. -- SMS Talk 19:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I have put the sentence in quotes and so, it should be O.K. now.—Khabboos (talk) 19:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Did you read what I have written above? -- SMS Talk 19:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I did. I'm a novice here, so please tell me whether using quotes is better or paraphrasing (maybe you can do that yourself, instead of removing the sentence)?—Khabboos (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Actually you didn't. If you had, you would not be talking about the copyright issues. So I suggest read my first reply and the linked pages, so we can have a meaningful discussion. -- SMS Talk 19:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Please tell me whether using quotes is better or paraphrasing.—Khabboos (talk) 20:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I have added another incident with the appropriate reference. If you object to its present paraphrased version, I will put that also in quotes and quote the Newspaper/web-site that I cited (that's allowed according to wikipedia rules).—Khabboos (talk) 17:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
I have changed the title of this section since Smsarmad edits weren't "vandalism" which you claim them to be. AcidSnow (talk) 00:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Some incidents have been removed from this article[edit]

I think some incidents have been removed from this article without a proper reason and have added them back!-Raam2 (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

See WP:NOTNEWS. Wikipedia articles are not the place to collect news snippets. --NeilN talk to me 16:24, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I observed that Neil removed the mention of 8 incidents with this edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terror buster (talkcontribs) 14:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Wow User:Khabboos, looks like it did not take you long to make a sock. You might want to try something new other than reverting and adding the same things that got you banned. AcidSnow (talk) 15:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

tendentious edits by anon[edit]

Large part of lede deleted here by 212.76.95.156 with edit summary "(prejudice against sunni)"

Large amount of unsourced text, including lines like Due to this resistance from people against ideology of Pakistan and Islam, sectarian elements were created, motivated and funded in Pakistan from people funded openly from foreign agencies like RA, MOSAD, CIA etc. added here

Reverted by user Jackfork here

More off topic crap added here --BoogaLouie (talk) 23:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Sectarianism in Pakistan[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sectarianism in Pakistan's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "aljazeera":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 01:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Why are Christians and Hindus mentioned here?[edit]

This article is about sectarian violence. I thoughts sects mean two parts of the same religion. This should cover only the violence between various Muslim sects. If there is violence between sects of other religions, it can be added, but Muslim to non-Muslim violence should not come here in accordance with the title.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

@NadirAli: I agree, that probably belongs on Religious discrimination in Pakistan. This article is for sect to sect violence. We would need sources to establish the extent of sectarian differences within the Christian and Hindu communities. This source touches a little on Dalits in Pakistan and their relation with upper-caste Sindhi Hindus. Mar4d (talk) 06:51, 16 August 2016 (UTC)