Talk:Vagrancy (people)

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This crime is still being punished with a 30 - 180 day stint in JAIL in the US, because business concerns, law enforcement and "solid citizens"'s concerns regarding criminal behavior of vagrants and illegal aliens. 06:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Vagrancy versus Beggars[edit]

I think there is a distinction between the term Vagrancy, beggars and destitute, therefore I question whether it is ok to use any of the term as a synonym to the word vagrancy in the article?

Secondly, one also need to explore what are the outlook in other countries as well, like for the matter in context of Capitalism, Social Movements and Reforms. Changes from the ages in the perspective of the government and the society towards such class.

thirdly we all can come together to at least discuss and bring out our feelings, experiences on the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mansha Singh (talkcontribs) 12:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


The opening is far too biased and American centric, with the following line "Vagrancy was a crime in some European countries[when?], but most of these laws have been repealed. Laws against vagrancy in the United States have partly been invalidated as violative of the due process clauses of the U.S. Constitution. However, the FBI report on crime in the United States for 2005 lists 24,359 vagrancy violations.", making it seem as if vagrancy laws were uncommon outside of Europe. Theoretical opinions on the vagrancy laws and the U.S. Constitution are not well here, only the true relation, which from the statistics and American section, are not very good. The Russian section also needs someone who can understand it to rewrite it, with better grammar. (talk) 02:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this article should be re-written to offer a world-wide viewpoint, if possible. Cited scholarly analysis is always preferable to mere quotation of law; we shouldn't aim to provide a directory of vagrancy laws, country by country. Vagrancy laws are a form of social control, and have historical dimensions. They're framed in response to a particular set of social and economic conditions, and are usually altered in response to changes in the same. Haploidavey (talk) 12:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

November 2011[edit]

I have just cleaned up the entire article. It took me some time to get all this done properly, then two editors came by, reverted my edits, then included scraps of my contributions into the article that made it an even bigger mess than it was before, and put up a cleanup tag.

In return, I have decided to undo my edits to previous revision prior to my contributions, and spend my time doing something more worthwhile in the future. I came here under the assumption that Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, and I was proven wrong. (talk) 12:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I've responded at your talk-page. Haploidavey (talk) 14:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

You've got to be kidding me. I've just noticed this removal, which said that towns in the developed countries have shelters for vagrants, and explained that vagrants are called 'gentleman of the road', with the summary explanation of the removed content being "contentious and oversimplified, contestable material." This is coming from the same editor who first reverted my edits (and has responded above this message).

I get it, you are biased against governments of the United Kingdom and the United States. You didn't revert my edits because I have deleted parts of the old content (my contributions were flawless, with citations from credible universities), you've reverted me because you didn't like the new direction the article was taking, and you will remove any evidence proving that over the past century no severe law existed against homeless vagrants in the Developed countries, while several improvements have been made to help them. You refuse to accept the fact that we live in the 21st century, not the Dark Ages. (talk) 14:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Calm down, please, and don't presume to know what I think, believe or intend. I'm not engaged in an edit-war with you; you're free to restore any cited content; though have to say, it worries me a little when any editor describes their work as "flawless". There's no such beast. Are female vagrants also known as "gentlemen of the road"? Haploidavey (talk) 14:57, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
If my work weren't flawless, then you wouldn't have just rewritten a part of it here from the source I have provided in my lead. Have fun with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh dear oh dear. As I've said above: "I'm not engaged in an edit-war with you; you're free to restore any cited content"; you could have restored that yourself. Haploidavey (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
And Clue-bot reverted your edits before I did. Haploidavey (talk) 15:01, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I've been reverted again (on this talk page). Apparently I'm not allowed to speak here. Have a good one, everyone! (talk) 15:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

#Germany (3rd Reich)[edit]

In the Weimar Republic the law against vagrancy was relaxed, however it became much more stringent in Nazi Germany, where vagrancy, together with begging, prostitution, and "work-shyness" (arbeitsscheu), was classified "asocial behavior" as punishable by confinement to concentration camps.

I find the pararaph on vagrancy "law" in the third Reich misleading at least. The concentration camps were not institution of punishment, and the act of being sent there was no penal process at all. As a consequnce, not the penal code was applied to "asocial" people, but rather the Polizeigesetze, the [Reichstag_Fire_Decree] (1933), the "Grundlegender Erlaß über die vorbeugende Verbrechensbekämpfung" (1938), and the like (not penal law, but crime prevention law legalizing sheer administrative arbitrariness). I am not aware that penal law had much influence on the confinement to, or the treatment in concentration camps. Convicts were still sent to jail by the courts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Unlawful demands of officials[edit]

The article says: "In the U.S., some local officials encourage vagrants to move away instead of arresting them." Such encouragements are unlawful, because there is no law, according to which the person must leave some place and there is no law, by which police can make such demands. Besides, everyone has the right on fair trial and it is the court, who must make decision about presence or absence of the offence.RethraTemple (talk) 13:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Citations needed for United States section[edit]

That section only has two lines that don't need citations, which seems unacceptable for wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:58, 27 August 2016 (UTC)