Talk:Prehistory of West Virginia

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Archive 1

Ohio Society List

Notable for Reference by Ohio scholars:

List of Prehistoric Cultural Components

MONONGAHELA TRADITION Riker Phase

FORT ANCIENT TRADITION Madisonville Phase Anderson Phase Feurt Phase Baldwin Phase Brush Creek Phase Baum Phase Philo Phase

WHITTLESEY TRADITION South Park Phase Greenwood Phase Fairport Phase Riverview Phase Hale Phase

SANDUSKY TRADITION Indian Hills Phase Fort Meigs Phase Wolf Phase Eiden Phase Esch Phase Leimbach Phase

WESTERN BASIN TRADITION Springwells Phase Younge Phase Riviere au Vase Phase Oliver Phase

CENTRAL OHIO VALLEY EARLY LATE WOODLAND Peters Phase Newtown Phase Chesser Phase Intrusive Mound Culture Cole Complex

WESTERN BASIN MIDDLE WOODLAND

SCIOTO HOPEWELL CULTURE

ADENA CULTURE

GLACIAL KAME CULTURE

RIVERTON TRADITION Maple Creek Phase Buffalo Phase Transitional Archaic Phase Transitional Period Culture Central Ohio Valley Archaic Phase

LAURENTIAN ARCHAIC TRADITION Brewerton Phase Feheeley Phase Dunlop Phase McKibben Phase Genesee Phase Stringtown/Satchel Phase Satchel Phase Lamoka/Dustin Phase

SIDE-NOTCH TRADITION Big Sandy Phase Otter Creek Phase Brewerton Phase EVA TRADITION Morrow Mountain Phase Eva Basal Notch Phase Nettling Complex

BIFURCATE TRADITION Kanawha Phase LeCroy Phase St. Albans Phase MacCorkle Phase Blue Creek Phase

KIRK TRADITION Kirk Stemmed/Serrated Phase Decatur Phase Kirk Corner-Notched Phase Palmer Phase KIRK/PALMER COMPLEX

THEBES TRADITION Dovetail Phase Thebes Phase

DALTON TRADITION Greenbriar Phase Hardaway Phase Dalton Phase

LANCEOLATE PLANO COMPLEX Agate Basin-like Complex Hell Gap Complex Hi Lo Complex Unfluted Fluted

CUMBERLAND COMPLEX

CLOVIS COMPLEX Holcombe Complex Crowfield Complex Barnes Complex Gainey Complex Enterline/Lux Complex

Ohio Historic Preservation Office and the U.S.Department of the Interior’s Historic Preservation Fund. Copyright © 2007 Ohio Historical Society, Inc. All rights reserved. http://www.ohiohistory.org/resource/histpres/docs/inv-oai.pdf#xml=http://search.ohiohistory.org/texis/search/pdfhi.txt?query=scioto&pr=public&prox=page&rorder=500&rprox=500&rdfreq=500&rwfreq=500&rlead=500&sufs=0&order=r&cq=&id=4aa990188f (Ret:11/22/09) Conaughy (talk)

Clovis and/or Clover

It would appear that Clovis is being "spell corrected" to Clover over time. I would consider change all spellings of "Clover" to "Clovis" However, there is one entry of "rye and clover". Jim1138 (talk) 09:05, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Clover" is the name of one of the last Phases and a particular Complex of the Fort Ancient culture, per in context of paragragh. Clover is also the name of a natural growing grazing plant found in meadows and pasture fields within our region. The term will found within context of the paragragh being read, also.

The local area's Fort Ancient villages that share similarities was named after the plant, clover, which grows in the fields where these ancient village sites, today are found. Local archaeologists call a group of similar villages, that may have similar traits or kinds of people, a complex.

Clovis is another proper noun, a term used for a very much older culture named after a location in the western regions of the USA.

Local cattle will "fatten" on our farms, today, eating or grazing mixed field grasses and clover plants.

Per subject, the now proper noun, Clover (people), is a correct spelling within context of paragragh being read and namesake from or after the natural growing locale[2] meadow plant, clover.

A similar editor's mistake is to correct spelling within a quote. The JAG officer I aided with, as a very young soldier and another assignment, warned me not to change terms nor spelling of quotes for he could easily dis-credit a quote transcribed in altered form, if it is not exactly as originally written, an alteration of evidence— objection to the bench. I don't know how the lawyers today view this as it was many decades ago.

Thank you for the above explanation. Spelling corrections are indeed tricky, and sometimes the difficulty is the spelling correction feature of Advanced Wiki Browser (AWB). --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Overhaul

I begin copy editing but it's a colossal undertaking. This article is frankly unreadable. A coherent outline should be developed and adhered to, and the writing streamlined. Inline references need to be turned into proper references. Dates need to standardized. Redundant information and redundant wikilinks need to removed. The italicization of random phrases should be eliminated. All the "circas", "c.", and "ca." are unnecessary with ancient dates–it's implied. Many statements are obvious or could otherwise be eliminated. The written descriptions of river flows could be replaced by an accurate and readable map. -Uyvsdi (talk) 06:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

I'm willing to help. With all due respect to Conaughy, who has done a Herculean job here, the article does need a lot of work. I think there are two priority items. One is improving the structure/outline of the article, and the 2nd is deciding on a citation format, which looks as though it should be Harvard. Do you want to start on a proposed new outline? Dougweller (talk) 06:46, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar enough with West Virginia cultural periods to suggest an outline, but I can work on the dates now and maybe references. -Uyvsdi (talk)Uyvsdi

I just pulled this segment out of the Paleoclimatology section:

These peoples (Olentangy River and upper Scioto), the Cole culture north of the central Ohio River, arrive the Sandusky culture^[1] of the Great Black Swamp area tributary to Lake Erie. And, their easterly neighbors along the shores, the Whittlesey culture, "with a pallisade or a ditch, suggesting a need for defense".^[2]

^ Lepper, Bradley T., 'Ohio Archaeology: An Illustrated Chronicle of Ohio's Ancient American Indian Cultures' , Wilmington, Ohio, Orange Frazer Press, © 2005
^ Citation: "Whittlesey Culture", Ohio History Central, July 1, 2005, [1]

Don't know if it can be used elsewhere in the article. -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

I believe that stuff is all Late Woodland period or fort ancient/protohistoric?. He iro 21:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of material on this article is proto-history. Maybe we can move it to that article's talk page? I think I might have just undone your most recent edits but I'm finished editing for now. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

No worries, you didn't change anything I did, you seem have have gotten things that I missed. Agree with the protohistory suggestion, some of it could be useful there. He iro 02:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Continuing the Herculean task of copyediting

Please do not remove my GOCE tag from the article, even if I have not edited for several hours. I have to take some breaks and eat, sleep etc before I finish editing. --Greenmaven (talk) 07:47, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a sample sentence: "Seasonal hunters camps and returning to growing seasonal towns quickly eclipse the sedentary farm culture period." This is one of the worst written articles of the 1500+ articles I have edited in the past 18 months. It displays the worst type of academic 'published paper style', and may well have been copied straight from such sources. Many phrases such as "surface found" meaning "found on the surface", and unusual word ordering, suggest an author whose first language is not English. It needs thoroughly re-writing, expanding its dense and confusing prose, into a form suited to the general public, for whom encyclopedias are intended. Experts in the field may be able to untangle the meaning in this strange style, but the lay person will find it totally discouraging. This is unfortunate because it is an interesting subject. --Greenmaven (talk) 05:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have replaced the sentence above with "Seasonal hunters' camps and seasonal towns quickly replace the sedentary farm culture period." At least it makes sense. --Greenmaven (talk) 05:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tackling this! It is Herculean! -Uyvsdi (talk) 06:00, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Yes, THANKS! I described this and the Protohistory of West Virginia article when I found them a year ago as possibly the worst I'd seen on Wikipedia in my 4 years here. I fixed some of this one and some of the protohistory one, but ended up in an argument with the major contributor of the articles and sort of gave up/got busy IRL for awhile and never got back to them. Their first language is in fact English, they just have no idea how to write a coherent sentence, and WP:COMPETENCE was clearly an issue. I came to believe they actually were copyvio and pasting bits of random info they found, mostly because of the way their cites seemed copy and pasted along with the information. I want to really, really thank you guys for tackling these, I've been dreading and half thinking I should get back to them. I even offered up my sandbox version for the other article for User:Lexah06 to use, but I am sorry I never got far enough to start on this one. Good luck and you are a good man/woman for doing this. He iro 06:13, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I want to echo this and also say thank you for tackling this. I did a tiny bit of work on it a couple months ago and was just overwhelmed by the sheer scope of what had to been done to make this article coherent. I'm currently working on the Protohistory of West Virginia article, but this one was definitely in worse shape. Kudos to you! Lexah06 (talk) 06:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your encouraging comments—it makes a difference! --Greenmaven (talk) 07:22, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have done as much as I can with this article. I may add some comments here later. --Greenmaven (talk) 01:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chucking everything not essential might help. Archaeology Of The Appalachian Highlands is a great, fairly up-to-date resource. -Uyvsdi (talk) 01:25, 3 May 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

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[1] Lepper, Bradley T., 'Ohio Archaeology: An Illustrated Chronicle of Ohio's Ancient American Indian Cultures' , Wilmington, Ohio, Orange Frazer Press, © 2005

[2] Citation: "Whittlesey Culture", Ohio History Central, July 1, 2005, [1]

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