Talk:William Etty

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I think this is so cool as my dad's name is William Etty and we were convinced he was the only one in existence. He swears he never painted a nude person (at least in my mom's presence) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.18.66 (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

York Bar Walls[edit]

Why is there no mention of Etty's role in spearheading the movement to save the City Walls of York in the 19th century? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.45.93 (talk) 12:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, worth a mention. Sources though?Battleofalma (talk) 10:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

This article was edited as part of an edit-a-thon[edit]

NPOV Issue[edit]

In the Life and Work section, it says

Etty painted very unequally. His work at its best possesses great charm of colour, 
especially in the glowing, but thoroughly realistic, flesh tints. The composition 
is good, but his drawing is sometimes faulty, and his work usually lacks life 
and originality.

This reads like something written by an art critic or scholar. That's fine, but in that case, {{citation needed}}. If it's not cite-able, then it needs to go, because it definitely comes across as a value judgement. Can someone with more art skills than I find some kind of citation?

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 16:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

At sixes and sevens[edit]

Quick question: the Fancy Dress Ball article refers to a seven year apprenticeship, and this article to one that seems to have lasted six (ages 12 to 18). I reworded the section here to avoid some repetition, but I don't want to create inaccuracies. Sorry if I'm overthinking this. Kafka Liz (talk) 10:37, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Maybe it was six years and 11 months? Iri will know. • Lingzhi(talk) 11:01, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Down to the second, I'd imagine, but I'll wait for his input. Kafka Liz (talk) 11:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
A period covering one's 12th to 18th years is 7 years (use your fingers). Johnbod (talk) 15:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Caution:Fencepost! • Lingzhi(talk) 16:01, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I knew there'd be a name for it! Johnbod (talk) 16:14, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Good call. This is why I don't do maths articles. :) Kafka Liz (talk) 18:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
The exact dates are 12 October 1798 — 23 October 1805. Technically, seven years and 11 days, but I can't imagine anyone quibbling. – iridescent 23:16, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Liz feels very stupid, but she'll heal. Kafka Liz (talk) 09:30, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Seems to be featured a LOT on the homepage[edit]

Is there a big William Etty fan pushing his work on the featured article / did you know sections? I never seem to see the end of the man and his work these days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BollyDave (talkcontribs) 10:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I guess it makes a change from people complaining there are too many hurricanes and video games. BollyDave, Talk:Main Page is where you want to go to complain that the main page features too many birds/paintings/Bach cantatas/rivers of Pennsylvania etc. – iridescent 12:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Quibbles[edit]

Outstanding work! Two quibbles:

  • "Other forms of painting such as portraiture and landscapes were considered lesser styles, as they did not give the artist as much opportunity to illustrate a story but instead were simply depictions of reality" - one might add/change that the important thing was considered to be that they were not thought to require the artist to use his imagination, which was considered essential for the highest level in the hierarchy of genres.
  • I prefer the original wording from Fancy Dress Ball of History painting was much more highly regarded as an art form; portrait painting was seen as reflecting nature whereas history painting involved more creativity and also gave the artist the opportunity to tell moral lessons. but was trying not to cut-and-paste. Feel free to reword it. – iridescent 17:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
  • That puddingy Reynolds of a teenager is rather unfair (to both artist and subject) as representative of his work. Commons has plenty of better alternatives, many at better quality. Johnbod (talk) 15:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes, but that one is chosen intentionally; the subjects are the parents of Etty's patron Charles Watkin Williams-Wynn (father of Charlotte and Mary). – iridescent 17:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, father and grandmother. Johnbod (talk) 17:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Good point, but the principle is the same. – iridescent 17:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Presumably Charles himself is in this one, which is rather more typical.
Feel free to change it if you have an objection to the one currently used, although that one looks a bit blurry to me. – iridescent 17:15, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Fantastic article!![edit]

Wow! Well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:41, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! At some point I'll take it to FAC, but I want to get at least the most important of his individual painting articles completed first, as at the moment Category:Paintings by William Etty overrepresents history paintings and doesn't give a good reflection of his career. ‑ iridescent 20:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Well it definitely looks FA quality. Yes, the important thing is that it's a great article, sometimes FAC can be a burden as an editor.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Just finished looking it over. Really well done! Thanks to all who have worked on it!

Poihths (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Poihths (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

So WAS Etty sucsessfull or not?[edit]

I'm confused about this section:

"Etty earned respect at the Royal Academy of Arts for his ability to paint realistic flesh tones, but had little commercial or critical success.

Etty's Cleopatra's Arrival in Cilicia, painted in 1821, featured numerous nudes and was exhibited to great acclaim. Its success prompted several further depictions of historical scenes with nudes. All but one of the works he exhibited at the Royal Academy in the 1820s contained at least one nude figure, and he acquired a reputation for indecency. Despite this, he was commercially successful and critically acclaimed, and in 1828 was elected a Royal Academician, at the time the highest honour available to an artist. "

The first paragraph states he was not sucessful. The second states he was. And where are the references? To fix this I would omit "but had little commercial or critical success" in the first paragraph. He obviously did have critical success because he won the highest honour availiable to and artist.

Mpau0516 (talk) 11:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Talking about different periods, which might be made clearer. First not, then yes. Johnbod (talk) 12:22, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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