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Found this while checking on Mankiller's formal title, and thought it might be useful for expanding on the article: http://archive.salon.com/people/bc/2001/11/20/mankiller/index.html
Perhaps a comment on her name would be nice. Can anyone find a good reference?
There are a lot of mysterious numbers in the article; I don't know whether they are artifacts of some clip-and-pasted article, or page numbers in some book/magazine. Could these be turned into actual references conforming to our standard. The Principal Chief of the Nation deserves the best. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
It seems that you also "vandalise" the facts here. I site Newspaper articles, and a book by a tribal govt. these are reliable sources, and not just form her 'autobiography'. Wilma has done a lot of bad and good through her policies, and this needs to be stated on this site. I added internet sites, so that individuals can make up their own minds. - Skeele
- I believe you trying to say "vandalize" and "cite." The article contained positive and negative viewpoints prior to your intervention. With living people, you cannot post anything libelous and you need to maintain a neutral point of view. You might read: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons to learn about Wikipedia policies. Writing in articles also should maintain some standard of spelling and grammar. Of course you are welcome to hold any political views you want, but Wikipedia is not the place to air those views. -Uyvsdi (talk) 01:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
- I've removed the material which is cited only to a website which doesn't seem to meet our standards for reliable sources. Please don't re-add this clearly non-neutral material unless you can provide some more mainstream coverage of these alleged incidents. Inali --Orange Mike | Talk 12:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Discussion of Wilma's Freedman Law
WIlma only excluded the Freedmen Roll from enrollment. THe 'by blood' lists adopted whites, intermarried whites, delawares shawnee, creek and natchez indians. The 'intermarried whites' were just recently kicked out due to the 2006 special election, though the 'adopted whites' can still enroll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeele (talk • contribs) 13:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
DNA Consultants is a company that does DNA testing (autosomal, y-and-mtDNA, who knows what else) for private individuals. One of its Native American (NA) categories for persons who have suspected NA heritage is "Native American-Michigan," an American geographic region that is said not to be the specific home of the "29 Native Americans" in Michigan provided by the "...Detroit Police Department and the Michigan State Police, with help from the Illinois State Police...": Native American-Michigan These could be from police CODIS files.
Now, notice there are only 29 persons tested. NA results can't be used for NA's to claim tribal affiliations, they must be too vague. If a person has a hit for NA in one part of America, then a good chance is that he or she would have multiple hits for NA ancestry in other parts of North America, as well as South America. DNA matches are close. But, with this Michigan NA category, a person can have one and only one NA hit with no other corroborating NA match anywhere else in the Americas.
You'll see Wilma Mankiller's photo on that NA web page as an example of an American with Michigan NA heritage.
If Wilma's DNA was ever run, is this the only NA match that she would have had? This is not a random question or supposition, as many tribes have been disenfranchising its members due to questionable ancestry with that specific tribe. Meaning, that person or family might not be a true member of the tribe. Would Wilma's DNA have matched other tribes? Why is Michigan NA DNA so exclusive?
The Mankillers were in Oklahoma. DNA Consultant's Michigan NA web page says that specific DNA hit "...seems to capture a broad cross-section of mostly urban acculturated members of Eastern U.S. tribes, with Cherokee people being the most salient."
The NA's tested for these CODIS markers undoubtedly had European ancestry, as had Wilma. I believe that this DNA result is questionable, it is too vague. Should this be included in Wilma's page?--22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Debating whether or not this is constitutes spam here on the talk page. Definitely is not notable or germane the article. -Uyvsdi (talk) 03:44, 2 May 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi
- Please translate. If you are trying to say that true NA heritage, or what tribe that heritage is from, is not relevant to an article about an important recent American NA leader, then I might disagree. I also do not believe a discussion about this topic is spam, as it is merely a discussion concerning relevancy to the article itself. Actually, this is a very polite process compared to forcefully inserting this information into the article itself.--126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:58, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
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