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Zina Young Card has been listed as one of the Philosophy and religion good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. Review: June 29, 2021. (Reviewed version). |
A fact from Zina Young Card appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 March 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Feedback from New Page Review process
[edit]I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: An interesting, well-written article..
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:20, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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... that Zina P. Young Card was both a plural wife and advocate of women's rights?
- ALT0a: ... that Zina P. Young Card fought on a national level for both women's suffrage and the right to practice plural marriage? Source: "Later, Taylor called Zina to accompany Emmeline B. Wells to attend the 1879 National Women's Suffrage meetings in Washington, D.C. Zina and Emmeline were not universally welcomed at the suffrage, due to their strong support for plural marriage" (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23287489)
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... that Zina P. Young Card was the first Dean of Women of Brigham Young Academy (now Brigham Young University)?Source: "She attended Brigham Young Academy...upon graduating in 1881, Zina became part of the faculty there as the first 'Ladies' Matron' or 'Dean of Women' in 1879." (https://educationinzion.byu.edu/2010/10/25/zina-young-williams-card/) - ALT2:... that Zina P. Young Card spoke to the U.S. Senate and House Judiciary Committee in favor of polygamist rights in 1879?Source: "Later, Taylor called Zina to accompany Emmeline B. Wells to attend the 1879 National Women's Suffrage meetings in Washington, D.C. ... Cannon helped arrange for Zina and Emmeline, as representatives from Utah, to address the U.S. Senate and House Judiciary Committee ... 'Zina stressed her belief in the sacred principle under which she had been born and married.'" (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23287489)
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... that Zina P. Young Card was a civic and religious leader of Cardston, Alberta, Canada in the late 19th century?Source: "Zina ... played a significant role as the new settlement's first lady ... Zina was also a spiritual leader." (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23287489)
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Created by Cstickel(byu) (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 11 February 2020 (UTC).
- ALT4: ... that Zina P. Young Card made her own flannel to wallpaper the cabin she lived in while settling Cardston, Alberta, Canada, prompting locals to call it the "Flannel Palace"? Source: "This cabin, now a museum, still stands on Cardston’s Main Street. Zina made heroic efforts in creating a genteel home in such rough conditions. Her daughter, Zina Card Brown, describes her achievement as the interior appeared during the late 1880s. "[...] She had all the walls and ceilings covered with unbleached muslin. This she in turn covered with colored Canton flannel. She sewed the canton flannel herself with the soft silky nap running down. It was kept looking like satin with frequent stroking with a new broom which was kept for this purpose. The hundreds of yards of “Canton” were all stitched on the old treadle sewing machine." Local residents called the cabin “Aunt Zina’s Canton Flannel Palace.” " Four Zinas, Chapter 10 Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 23:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- This article is new enough and long enough. I like the original hook, ALT2 and ALT4, the other two hooks are less interesting. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. No QPQ is needed here for this new contributor. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote this, but am having trouble identifying a good hook. ALTs 0 and 2 make her sound like any woman with a political agenda. ALT0 does not have an inline cite, and footnote 2, which uses the term "women's rights", seems to be referring back to the term "women's suffrage" in its previous sentence. ALT4 might be better if the article said more from the source about the "rough" locale the home was located in. Yoninah (talk) 16:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I edited ALT0 and added an inline citation in the article pertaining to it. I'll look for more sources for ALT4 and the article. Cstickel(byu) (talk) 21:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, your alt looks better. Please note that I restored the thread and struck the hook that was replaced, so reviewers and prep builders will be able to follow the discussion. We need a review for ALT0a. Pinging original reviewer Cwmhiraeth. Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
- Approving ALT0a. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Related to Orson Card?
[edit]Would you know if Orson Card is a descendant of Zina? Both have similar physical resemblances, same surname, and are both Mormon. 204.186.241.170 (talk) 20:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, she is his great-grandmother! Her son Orson Rega Card (who he was named after) was his grandfather. I'll find a good source and put it on her page, and I already linked to her on his. Thank you! Cstickel(byu) (talk) 17:27, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Merge from Zina Young Card Brown
[edit]The contents of the Zina Young Card Brown page were merged into Zina Young Card on 10 March 2020. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Cstickel(byu) (talk) 20:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
GA Review
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Reviewer: Aussie Article Writer (talk · contribs) 00:12, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | Excellent prose, spelling and grammar are correct, no words to watch. | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | The lead section is excellent, as is the article structure. However, it would be best to incorporate the references in the lead into the body of the article. See WP:CITELEAD.
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2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | ||
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | Please note that I assume that sources I can't access are correct, however I feel it only fair that I note that I haven't been able to verify them.
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2c. it contains no original research. | I was concerned initially about the sentence "Throughout her life, Card was an academic, political, and spiritual leader", but actually it is then fully supported by the subsequent material in the paragraph. So, I can see no original research. | |
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | ||
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | I am not a subject matter expert, but it does seem to cover Card's life fairly extensively. However:
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. |
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Discussion
[edit]- I’m working from home today (lockdown). This one might take me longer than normal. I’m enjoying reading it though. So far, great job! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 01:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- And I just noticed SarahSV edited this one. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- Progress update: I've gotten through most of the references - some great and detailed research obviously went into this article! I am taking a break and will continue when I'm back from it. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 06:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- Cstickel(byu) as I've said a few times now, a great article. Could you address the (few) issues I have highlighted? - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 08:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Aussie Article Writer: Thank you! I've gone through your review and addressed your concerns:
- 1b.I took the inline citations out of the lead. (All of that information is cited in the article.) But I left in the source for the direct quote, and found the name of the historian who called her "the unquestionable female leader of the Alberta colonies" (and wikilinked to her).
- 2b.I added the references you requested (for "Career and activism," "Personal life," and "Legacy") and corrected the prose in some areas.
- 3a.I think my sentence about her being dean of two colleges was referring to her being dean of two schools within Brigham Young Academy, but I couldn't find a source about that, so I changed that prose.
- Let me know what else needs to be done, and thank you so much for your review and work on the article! Cstickel(byu) (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- I moved one sentence from the lead to the legacy section, otherwise well done on a fine article. All issues have been corrected, this passes GA! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 20:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
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