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busted ref on Bruce_Haynes_(consultant)
Hi Rhiannon, there is some kind of ref-mishap on this article. Here is the one that gave me troubles:
- Jeffrey H. Birnbaum (25 March 1999). "Big Firms Gobble Up Lobbying Interests; Consolidation Is the Trend in Influence Industry". The Washington Post. Retrieved 25 April 2013.
The link is to here -- http://w3.nexis.com/new/docview/getDocForCuiReq?lni=4C80-S2T0-TW87-N1RV&csi=8075&oc=00240&perma=true
Not having nexis access, I just googled for the title to find it at wapo archives.
That link is either here -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/2004/04/27/big-firms-gobble-up-lobbying-interests/91500963-71c2-4f21-af34-4d654c686859/
Or partially-kinda here -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44908-2004Apr26_2.html
But as you can see in the URLs, both of those look to be from 2004, not 1999. Author is the same name though, at least for the first one. At first I was just going to change over the link from nexis to the wapo#1 that I found, but I don't see Purple mentioned in that one (it does mention Issue&Image plus also Steve McMahon but not in a way that helps the sentence that I can see). So I figured I better ask you, to see if the nexis-URL is just hooked to buggy metadata (i.e. correct datestamp but wrong author/title via some kind of cut-n-paste mishap possibly), or if maybe there was a more fundamental cut-n-paste problem (wrong cite pasted into the article about Haynes which talks about Issue&Image pre-purchase whereas you wanted a cite which was post-purchase from the next line in your spreadsheet or whatever). Anyways, if you still have nexis access, can you please see what the author/title/content is there, and if that link is the correct one, or figure out what is busted? Thanks. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 20:39, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hey there, thanks for pinging me about this and sorry it caused so much confusion! After some digging I found that the date was definitely a cut and paste error on my part when I was filling in the citation, and I accidentally used the date from the previous article in my research. So, it should be 2004. Putting myself back in my shoes from 2013, I think that the other part of the issue here is the placement of the citation and that the sentence should have another cite to support it, but that got snipped somehow. Basically, I was seeking to use Birnbaum's article to confirm that Issue & Image is McMahon and Squier's firm. I think either (or both) of the below could be added to beef up the support for the info about Purple's founding:
- <ref name=Carnevale>{{cite news |title=New Lobby Shop Sees Gold in Going Purple |author=Mary Lu Carnevale |url=http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/01/21/new-lobby-shop-sees-gold-in-going-purple/ |work=[[The Wall Street Journal]] |date=21 January 2009 |accessdate=4 August 2015}}</ref>
- <ref name=Fang>{{cite news |url=http://www.thenation.com/blog/169696/former-democratic-strategists-now-boost-gop# |title=Former Democratic Strategists Now Boost the GOP |date=1 September 2011 |work=[[The Nation]] |accessdate=4 August 2015}}</ref>
- Does that work for you? Thanks again for bringing this to my attention! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:29, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oh no worries, I don't need help to get confused, I can do that all by my lonesome. ;-) Okay, so anyways, right now mainspace makes two claims in that sentence:
- claim#1 == In 2008, National Media Public Affairs merged with Issue & Image... to form the bipartisan communications firm Purple Strategies.
- claim#2 == ...Issue & Image, a company founded by Steve McMahon and Mark Squier...
- Oh no worries, I don't need help to get confused, I can do that all by my lonesome. ;-) Okay, so anyways, right now mainspace makes two claims in that sentence:
quotes from the 4 refs, for backing the two claims
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- Okay, so at the end of the day, without needing any WP:SYNTH, we have satisfied about 90% of claim#1, which now looks like this: "In 2008 (or early 2009), National Media Research (later[when?] called National Media Public Affairs) merged with Issue & Image... to form the
bipartisancommunications firm Purple Strategies." If we can get an exact cite for the merger-date -- all the four above are approximate and WP:CALC -- then we can simply say "in December 2008" or whatever the exact date happens to be. What about the name-thing? Was the company renamed at some point, from NMPA to NMR, or vice versa, or what exactly? I don't doubt they are the same firm, it just seems like something worth clearing up (for the history-of-Purple-Strat subsection of the corp-article if not specifically for the Haynes article). As for the 'bipartisan' thing, unless you think it is crucial, I also suggest we just drop the adjective, and leave the characterization of the bi- or mono- or mixed- nature of the firm, over in the article about the firm. - But for claim#2 we are in trouble, because we definitely need better cites before we can say "McMahon and Squier are the founders of Issue&Image". All the sources that I've seen -- and I admit to being lazy so far and not searching on my own yet... since I'm assuming you have them more at your fingertips and neuron-tips than me -- sometimes imply that McMahon was the head of i&i, but rarely mention Squier, and when they do mention him, don't tie him directly to i&i. Even for McMahon, I haven't seen him explicitly called founder of i&i, just that i&i was "his" company, and that he in Jan'09 "currently run[s]" the i&i company (and co-ran it specifically with Donovan with no mention of Squier -- though later the WSJ'09 source implies that McMahon was the main co-run-guy and Donovan was somewhat the number-two-guy, in the same way but to a lesser degree that Castellanos was the main guy and Haynes was the number-two-guy over at National Media). We can, based on WSJ'09, say that Castellanos/McMahon/probablyDonovan were the co-founders of Purple. We can also say that, at the time, McMahon/Donovan were the co-leadership of i&i, whilst Castellanos was the sole-leadership of NMR (with Haynes under him)... but because WSJ'09 failed to tie Castellanos explicitly && specifically to NMR, that last bit is mildly wiki-improper. From the 2004 quote, we know that i&i was around back sometime before 2004, so the founders of i&i would most likely be mentioned in an older cite, talking about when the firm came into being, is my guess. Do you have something like that? Just guessing here, but perhaps that may have been a ref that got lost, in the cut-n-paste mishap, that you mentioned might have happened.
- Or, alternatively, do you agree that claim#2 is pretty small potatoes, w.r.t. being mentioned in the article about Haynes? We don't need to namedrop the i&i folks, when we can just link to the Purple Strategies#history subsection, which gives the story of the firm. Haynes was part of the early transition-team from NMR to Purple, and we have the WSJ'09 ref to back that part up, and methinks that is the only bit we need for this article, and can just elide the names-behind-i&i. Now at the moment, info about the i&i founders (and for that matter the NMR/NMPA founders) is missing over there, but WP:NOTFINISHED and WP:NORUSH apply methinks. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 01:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- My other question about Haynes is whether he should be merged into the Purple Strategies article. There are plenty of in-depth refs on Castellanos(sp), but what are the main refs for Haynes which are specifically about him, in your view? Are there other refs that have been published more recently that 2013, that could shore up the demonstration of WP:N for Haynes? 75.108.94.227 (talk) 13:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hi again, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday, I'm catching up on work post-travel and wasn't able to dive into the research again like I'd hoped to. So, I'd agree that the mention of the I&I founders isn't really necessary for this article, so that could be removed. FWIW, the way I was reading the Birnbaum source is that Issue & Image was created by the firm Trippi McMahon and Squier, hence McMahon and Squier were its founders.
- Re: National Media Research vs. National Media Public Affairs, the latter is correct, there was no name change. National Media Research continues to operate as its own separate entity to Purple. What was merged with I&I to form Purple is National Media Public Affairs. However, you'll find most sources simply say "National Media", which is, of course, pretty darn confusing when National Media Research exists. As you can see from the sources about Haynes previous role, he was at National Media Public Affairs, so it makes sense that this was what merged with I&I to form Purple, since he moved to Purple and became managing director there. All that said, perhaps it would be best to change it in the article to say "National Media" per majority of sources?
- Founding date is another one where quite a few sources got it wrong (based on what I was told by Purple): the company was formed in late 2008 but publicly launched in January 2009, so the latter is a date that keeps coming up in sourcing. The Nation, despite being otherwise biased against Purple, has it correctly, as does this Politico piece.
- Overall, re: notability of Haynes, I was definitely on the fence back when I submitted this at AfC. If you look back in edit history at my comment when I submitted it, you'll see I noted that there wasn't a lot of coverage of him, though he is mentioned in a lot of articles and there's enough to put together this overview of his career. I'm not sure if there's newer sourcing that would help bolster, might be worth looking at. If you think that the article should be merged, I wouldn't put up a big fight. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 14:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- WP:NORUSH applies, as always. One of my favorite wiki-policies. So, to take your points in order you mentioned them....
- My other question about Haynes is whether he should be merged into the Purple Strategies article. There are plenty of in-depth refs on Castellanos(sp), but what are the main refs for Haynes which are specifically about him, in your view? Are there other refs that have been published more recently that 2013, that could shore up the demonstration of WP:N for Haynes? 75.108.94.227 (talk) 13:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, so at the end of the day, without needing any WP:SYNTH, we have satisfied about 90% of claim#1, which now looks like this: "In 2008 (or early 2009), National Media Research (later[when?] called National Media Public Affairs) merged with Issue & Image... to form the
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- #1. In November or December of 2008[1][2][3] the company National Media Public Affairs,[4] where Haynes worked as JobTitleGoesHere, merged with Issue & Image to form the communications firm Purple Strategies.[5][2][6]
- #2. Copy these refs to Purple Strategies, and work them in there, some specific advice in gory-details-greenbox above: [7][2][4]
- #3. Strongly recommend junking the awpagesociety , and associated sentence about being a member thereof. It technically satisfies mutual-WP:ABOUTSELF, but I don't think it manages WP:NOTEWORTHY status, because although it is reprinted in his mostly-self-authored blurb at the Page Society website (and ditto for his mostly-self-authored blurbs at Politico/Bloomberg/AHIP/etc), that's pretty borderline and should be yanked for now methinks. Arthur W. Page Society, mentioned a few other places too (and with the *possible* exception of the BLP for which the group is named, which I note is also mutual-ABOUTSELF rather than ref'd to a newspaper or somesuch, should probably be eyeballed for possible removal as spip/puffery. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 21:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
References
- ^ http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59220.html
- ^ a b c "Former Democratic Strategists Now Boost the GOP". The Nation. 1 September 2011. Retrieved 4 August 2015.
- ^ Footnote: some sources mis-report the Nov-or-Dec 2008 merger as having occurred in January 2009, which was in fact the date the newly-merged firm publicly launched, e.g. refX refY refZ.
- ^ a b Cite error: The named reference
Bridges
was invoked but never defined (see the help page). - ^ Mary Lu Carnevale (21 January 2009). "New Lobby Shop Sees Gold in Going Purple". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 4 August 2015.
- ^ Please note that WSJ'09 by Carnevale improperly uses just "National Media" when referring to Haynes's employer National Media Public Affairs, not to be confused with a similar organization National Media Research. Similarly, please note that TheNation'11 by Fang incorrectly uses the phrase "National Media Research" when referring to Haynes's employer-during-2008 National Media Public Affairs, which is not the same entity; National Media Research did NOT merge into Purple Strategies in 2008/2009, and as of 2015 remains an independent entity, under CEO-and-NMR-co-founder Robin Roberts, who is also simultaneously a partner at Purple Strategies.
- ^ Jeffrey H. Birnbaum (2004-04-27). "Big Firms Gobble Up Lobbying Interests; Consolidation Is the Trend in Influence Industry".
- ref4 is 'blank' because I just pasted the named-ref here, the Bridges article in scNowTheMorningNews, should work properly once in the actual article. Speaking of which, I am perfectly happy to leave all the remaining work to you. ;-) That said, if you are not comfy doing direct mainspace edits about this stuff, or cannot find some other uninvolved eyeballs, then feel free to ping my talkpage and I'll help get the stuff fixed. Appreciate your time on this, and thanks for helping wikipedia. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 21:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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Onel5969 TT me 22:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)Harry & David , blast from the past #2
Hi again Rhiannon, noticed your good work again serendipitously. :-) Though I think you were last at this page in 2014, in case you still have an interest in the topic, and would like to make sure my recent once-over has not introduced bugs, figured I would leave you a quick note. See anon wp-coi-update-request that attracted me. Thanks, talk to you later, 75.108.94.227 (talk) 02:45, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up here, I'm glad that you were able to look over the page. I do like to keep an eye on past projects, even if not paid to do so ;-) and I'm always happy to see improvements being made. Sorry I've not got back to you re: Purple and Haynes, that totally slipped off my to-dos last week... Will try to get back to it in the next couple of days, though I will say, for any current or past paid projects I do not make edits in live articles, so if there are changes that we've discussed and the edit needed is clear, I would prefer if you could go ahead. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 16:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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- Thank you, Monarch! And yes, I absolutely will comply with WP:DISCLOSEPAY and WP:OWN, I'd be very happy for editors to contribute to this article now it's live to help keep it up-to-date and accurate. Thanks again for your thoroughness of review. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 12:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hey Rhiannon glad to see you again! I'd be happy to look at that and review it for you. I've been a bit busy so I couldn't get back to you sooner, but I can look at it in the next day or so. Toa Nidhiki05 22:59, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
- Wonderful, thanks so much Toa! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 14:03, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hi, Toa! Let me know if you have any questions with my edit request. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 19:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry about the delay. Been really busy with work and school lately - but I get a bit of a break tomorrow. I'll give it a look then. :) Toa Nidhiki05 23:53, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
- No problem. Toa Nidhiki05 23:15, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry about the delay. Been really busy with work and school lately - but I get a bit of a break tomorrow. I'll give it a look then. :) Toa Nidhiki05 23:53, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
- Hi, Toa! Let me know if you have any questions with my edit request. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 19:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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