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October 2019

Information icon Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Pac (village), from its old location at User:AleksanderMJ/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. -Liancetalk/contribs 21:45, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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Brisë moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Brisë, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 TT me 21:17, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Brisë has been accepted

Brisë, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
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Theroadislong (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Pac (village) has been accepted

Pac (village), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

SportingFlyer T·C 12:49, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Placenames

Hallo, thanks for creating the article which is now at Pac, Albania. You might like to have a look at the rules about disambiguating place names at WP:PLACEDAB: we don't use "(village)" etc unless it's necessary to distinguish two different places in the same location (eg a parliamentary constituency, a council area, a town, all with the same name). You'll see that for Albania we use "name, Albania" unless there is a reason not to do so. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it's an interesting journey - Happy Editing! PamD 17:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Albanian tribes

If you have data(books etc) about Albanian tribes feel free to enter this information in article about Bjelopavlići. Mikola22 (talk) 17:33, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Republic of Ilirida

Përshëndetje Hoxha,pse insiston kaq shum ki far local hero ne heqjen e info kutis republic of ilirida 2A02:27B0:5300:7A40:F9F1:EFB1:4C9D:35D9 (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Mirmbrema, kuku sa u pengon ILIRIDA a jan normal kto njerez Vestacka Nacija (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

This is the Infobox the Local hero put in a long time ago so he deleted it

{{Infobox country |conventional_long_name = Republic of Ilirida |native_name = Republika e Iliridës |status = Unrecognized constituent state of Macedonia |image_flag = |image_map = Europe-Macedonia-Republic_of_Ilirida.svg |map_caption = Claimed territory of the Republic of Ilirida within Macedonia in Dark Green. Territory not claimed by the Republic of Ilirida within Macedonia in light green. [1] |government_type = Federal republic with elements of direct democracy |capital = Skopje (claimed) |largest_city = capital |leader_title1 = President |leader_name1 = Nevzat Halili |leader_title2 = Prime Minister |leader_name2 = Baki Sulemani |sovereignty_type = |sovereignty_note = |established_event1 = |established_date1 = |currency = Macedonian denar |currency_code = MKD |time_zone = CET |utc_offset = +1 |time_zone_DST = CEST |utc_offset_DST = +2 |drives_on = right |calling_code = +389 |ISO_3166-1_alpha2 = MK |ISO_3166-1_alpha3 = MKD |ISO_3166-1_numeric = 807

} Vestacka Nacija (talk) 00:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

How can this Local hero who uses an offensive name for Albanians be reported uses the term Šiptari

(Грција нема право за вето во ОН, но има во НАТО и ЕУ. Како во април, Грција ја блокира Македонија, и истото ке прае во ЕУ. Тука во Америка, Барак Обама ке биди пресидателот, и тој е со Грција на спорот за името. Македонија има поголеми проблеми од спорот, како бедност и шиптарите. Поздрав. --Local hero 19:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)) Vestacka Nacija (talk) 00:53, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/republic-of-ilirida-declared-in-macedonia (A map of Macedonia showing the envisaged territory of Ilirida)

Please self-revert

You are clearly aware of the revert limitations on Kosovo, having quoted it in this edit summary: [1]. Why then did you yourself breach the rule, both by making two reverts within a day (that same edit above plus your next [2]), and by failing to discuss your reverts on talk first? Please self-revert. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I undid two violations of the limitations on the Kosovo article, they made the reverts without discussing it on the talk page therefore they should of have self-reverted. I noticed that you didn't alert the users that originally violated the limitations about this subject on their talk pages. Could you explain me why? N.Hoxha (talk) 22:54, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
You were the only one I saw who actually broke 1RR. It's true that the others didn't discuss on talk either. But that doesn't excuse you. The restrictions are for everyone: it doesn't matter whether you are reverting back to a status quo, whether you are reinstating something or re-removing something, or whether the person you reverted should also have discussed before. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Cham Alb map

I saw you added a Cham Alb map. Its nice the way its aesthetically designed, however there are a few issues with it. You used Cherkezi's map. It has problems because it covers areas that go beyond Albanian speaking areas and also colours them as Albanian and others. This is incorrect (read Wilkinson, as i said you should on Ilirida talkpage to avoid these kinds of issues in future). There is an excellent study by Mihalis Kokolakis which after much intensive research has shown what the Albanian speaking area of Chameria was in the 19th century until 1912/1913 ([3], for language map see page 374. There are also other maps about Ottoman administrative units too in Kokolakis you may find interesting). I would base the language data in your map on that Kokolakis map. Plus it shows Muslim/Orthodox and mixed religion in the Cham Albanian speaking areas. Another thing your map shows the area of Greek Pogoni as Albanian. Only three villages in the 19th century were Muslim Albanian: Argirohori, Krisodali and a majority in Pogoniani -these fall under the Lab dialect area. In the Konitsa area only two villages, the Muslim Albanians in Prosilio (abandoned by the 1930s) and the Orthodox Alb speakers still in Plikati -these fall under the Tosk dialect area. Muslim Albs (Tosk) in Konitsa were not a majority. The Muslim community was split between Muslim Albs and Muslim Greek speakers who considered themselves as Turks living with a sizable number of Orthodox Greek speakers. Anyway these should not be in your map, as well as the Kastoria and Florina areas (Alb Tosk dialect speakers) if its depicting people who spoke/speak the Albanian Cham dialect. Make these changes and remove Cherkezi as the basis of your map and add Kokolakis instead. Then readd your map to the article. Just some friendly advice on the articles like Cham Albanians. Be aware of WP:3rr rules. Getting sanctioned is unnecessary.Resnjari (talk) 21:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Another thing with your map is that it covers to much areas like Kosovo and Macedonia. Its just a waste of space and removes focus from the Cham area. Make your map have the Tirana area as your furthest point north. On its eastern side, slim it down a bit to if your were drawing a straight line down from Flambouro. Like this you include the contours of Yanina vilayet which is relevant. Maybe include main rivers like Kokolakis did, if you want. Best.Resnjari (talk) 21:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Before you readd the map ping me, just to make sure all depictions are in order. Best.Resnjari (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Resnjari, for your good advice! I will definitely look it up and make additional changes until the map is ready to be used again. But shouldn't this discussion be placed on the talk page of the article? Also, I noticed that the source you provided is only written in greek, does a translation in English exist? If not, I'm not sure how we could use it on the English Wikipedia? Also is there sufficient proof that the source is NPOV? Thank you, I'm aware of the 3RR ban. N.Hoxha (talk) 21:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Resnjari that Kokolakis map. It's detailed about the maximum extent of Albanian speech in the pocket of Chameria.Alexikoua (talk) 21:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
I will move this section to the talk page of the article so that others may join the discussion N.Hoxha (talk) 22:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Its ok for here for now. Make the changes first based on Kokolakis. If it gets reverted again after its added to the main page, then open a thread on the Alb Cham page. Best.Resnjari (talk) 22:08, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Brisë

I saw that you created an article about Brisë. It is part of the Nikaj fis and I will be writing an article soon about it. If you're interested about the subject, maybe you could help in its writing.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I would gladly help you, do you have sources/ citations that could be used? N.Hoxha (talk) 23:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

--Maleschreiber (talk) 12:05, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Map

Hey, how's the map work going on? If you're working on photoshop, could you maybe send me the file via mail?--Maleschreiber (talk) 21:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, unfortunately I didn't make much progress on the map. I redraw Albania and some borders of Montenegro and Kosovo on a larger scale but that's it. I am using inkscape for this map. N.Hoxha (talk) 22:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Check this sketch by Durham (1928) too.--Maleschreiber (talk) 03:21, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
[4]--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
I can't open the link, All I get is a pink pixel on my screen. N.Hoxha (talk) 12:09, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey, could you maybe help make a template for Albanian tribes? If you start the navbox/template, I can expand it later on.--Maleschreiber (talk) 16:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Maleschreiber.It's an excellent idea. I'm currently overwhelmed with some stuff I have to take care of, but I will certainly help you. It might take some time though, sorry. N.Hoxha (talk) 17:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Hey, could you check my latest update of the map [5]. I added three tribal regions according to google maps, the following regions I will add are Lume and Has, I will use Resnjari's maps for those ones. N.Hoxha (talk) 11:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
It looks good! I would use the same colour marking for all the toponyms. Shala can be differentiated even more into Thethi and Gimaj, but that can be done later.--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
So should I write all toponyms in black?N.Hoxha (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I would go with black.--Maleschreiber (talk) 15:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

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Beteja e kosovës

Përshëndetje i nderuar, Unë pasi tentova që ta shtojë një informatë shtesë rreth historisë së "betejës së kosovës", nuk ishte e mundur dhe u anulua.

Shiko këtë video : 

"Gënjeshtra shekullore e serbëve"

(Video nga Marin Mema)

Në këtë video bëhet fjalë për vitet e betejës së kosovës dhe gënjeshtrën serbe ndaj historisë. Gazetari Marin Mema, duke u bazuar në librat osmane, shqiptare dhe ato kroate, tregon një histori mbresëlënëse dhe që të bën të mendosh gjatë. Unë pashë që ti ke akses në atë faqe dhe ti vëlla mund ta verifikosh edhe vetë këtë histori. E vërteta duhet treguar. Kreshnik Prizreni (talk) 10:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Entrepreneur's Barnstar
Your editing has taken great strides. Keep up the good work! Resnjari (talk) 20:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


Thanks! N.Hoxha (talk) 05:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi !

Hi @N.Hoxha,

I just wanted to say, our interaction over the Ilirida matter may have been rocky. Its a topic that brings out passions, best left buried, well on my part anyway. I just want to say i have no ill will on my part to you and appreciate your contributions as a newbie. I want things good between us going forward. You still have a bit of experience to gather and over several months you will get the knack of Wikipedia, other editors (the good, bad and ugly) and so on. Check out the Ilirida article, i did have concerns over it and added much to allay them. As you contributed to the page have a look and tell me about whether they were satisfactory or not, what else could be done, etc. I also added refs for your map. Best.Resnjari (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Resnjari, good to see that you are back! I never suspected you of having any ill will towards me or anything else, you did't do anything wrong you just stated your opinion on the topic. Which is completely your right to do so. I'm looking forward to our next encounter on this website. Thanks for the advices (and the refs) and I will definitely take a look at the article. Cheers! N.Hoxha (talk) 05:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Cool! N.Hoxha, i saw at the top of your talkpage that you sometimes do map requests. I like the map template and style you used for the Ilirida map. If you have time, there is this map on page 199: [6]. If a map could be made of that, it would be perfect. I want to make edits (some time next week) to an article that are long overdue and this map would complete what i have in mind. There is no rush for when it can be ready, take your time if you go ahead with it. If you think other map templates might be better for this, i one have some and could send them to you. To do that i can be reached through email on my userpage. Best.Resnjari (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Alright I will see what I can do. But I can't open the page at 199, that page isn't included in the book review. N.Hoxha (talk) 20:30, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I finished working on the map [7]. Can you give some feedback on it. N.Hoxha (talk) 22:16, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
That is perfect. No need for anything else. Thank you. Much appreciated! :)Resnjari (talk) 22:40, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Aspersions and unresponsiveness

You wrote: I am extremely saddened to see that user Dr.K would consider the inclusion of the content about the murder of multiple innocent persons to be of equal importance as that of a poorly made banner. Casting aspersions is not allowed on Wikipedia. The fact that you were asked what murders, which you, astonishingly, simply ignored, is absolutely unacceptable. You cannot make such extreme claims and then proceed to be unresponsive when these are challenged. If you engage in further such conduct, you will face sanctions. El_C 04:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Full discussion.
El_C this is probably a misunderstanding rather than a conscious aspersion on N Hoxha's part (actual aspersions are, however quite common in Balkan talk pages). Maleschreiber added this content about hate crimes in Greece, which was removed by one of Alexi/Khi/Dr.K. (I don't remember which, it's in the page history) [8]. Mal's edit did not mention the murder of an Albanian by a Greek Golden Dawn member which was linked in Albanian and some international media to the Katsifas, but it is not true, as some users are claiming, that a spate of murders of Albanians failed to happen in Greece after Katsifas was shot. While the facts are unknown it was widely attributed in Albanian (and to some extent international media) to members of Golden Dawn. This grew acute enough for Albania to lodge a diplomatic protest[9]. It is easy to see N Hoxha interpreting Maleschreiber's edit, which described vague hate incidents, as referring to that, and after all, the other side did oppose Maleschreiber's insertion. I am sure there will be an avalanche of statements accusing me of this or that after I post this, so apologies in advance to N Hoxha for the all the talk page notifications you are about to get. --Calthinus (talk) 05:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
That's difficult to follow, but my sense is that it neither addresses the accusation by N.Hoxha about the murder of multiple innocent persons, nor the unresponsiveness that followed emphatic queries about it. El_C 05:35, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
El_C I am very confused about what you mean by "nonresponsiveness". That [[10]] at 3:27, was N.Hoxha's last edit. He has not edited since Dr.K. protested his statement at all. It is entirely possible he has not even seen it at all. --Calthinus (talk) 05:39, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Let us be very, very, clear. Dr.K's protest was at 3:44 [11], 17 minutes after N.Hoxha's last edit, and he has not edited even once. At this time, much of Europe is asleep. I think at the very least the guy is owed an apology for the quite unfair accusation of "unresponsiveness". --Calthinus (talk) 05:42, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Lastly, please do read the article. It makes quite clear, there were multiple Albanians murdered. [[12]]. --Calthinus (talk) 05:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
I appreciate the correction, but no, no apologies, even if I mistook one comment to have come after the aspersion. If one says something that extreme about an editor's purported priorities, they should not fire-and-forget by simply going to sleep immediately after. That is not acceptable, either. El_C 05:50, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not familiar with the context behind that, and am not that interested in comparing various revisions of the article at this time. I'm only concerned with the emphatic queries about a purported preference of a banner over multiple murders, somehow, then not being available to followups about that. El_C 05:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
I think what Calthinus is trying to defend is indefensible. If someone makes such a vile accusation against another person they had better be quite sure about the vile allegations they direct against that person. That Calthinus is trying to defend this behaviour is indicative of the partisanship prevailing in this subject area where everything goes and wikilawyering is your friend. Calthinus is trying to wikilawyer that N.Hoxha made an innocent mistake by thinking that I was aware of the four murders and therefore he could level that vile allegation against me with impunity due to an innocent mistake. This argument is not worth the bandwidth it is written on. If Calthinus persists on that line of argument he should be blocked for disruption. This is absolutely unacceptable in a collaborative environment. Dr. K. 06:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Another interpretation is that I like to WP:AGF with new users. A thought. --Calthinus (talk) 06:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Not a good try. Far from being a plausible argument. If someone is capable of such a vile attack, unless they are not in full control of their mental faculties, they have no excuse for this type of attack. In a similar vein, you have exhausted your wikilawyering arguments. Dr. K. 07:03, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
@El C: The "hate incidents" - a term used by the sources include the murder of Petrit Zifle, a 63-old Albanian worker who was murdered in Corfu by a member of Golden Dawn in the aftermath of these events after a discussion about Kacifa's death[13]. In Greece, a Syriza MP from Corfu condemned the murder in the Greek parliament as a racist murder[14]. There were even antifascist protests in the aftermath of his muder [15] . I found the above in maybe 2-3 minutes of a google/youtube search. I think that it is surprising that Dr.K. who judging by his userpage has quite a few links to Corfu - an island of just 100,000 inhabitants - wouldn't know to what N.Hoxha is referring, but maybe he hasn't been there for a while and doesn't follow local/national news. I can WP:AGF that, but N.Hoxha could very well assume that Dr.K. had some idea of what he was talking about. Editors of the Balkans generally assume that we all share some knowledge of the same events. And I don't mean what I'm about to say in a confrontational manner and I get you may be not be familiar with the regin but you as an admin have been given authority by the community so I think that you should at the very least do some research because a warning about sanctions is a very serious affair. I would feel much better in the knowledge that an admin won't warn an editor like N.Hoxha about sanctions without checking the facts. Also, you warned N.Hoxha within 59 minutes of him making that comment. He wrote the comment you quoted on 03:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC) and you warned him about sanctions on 04:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC) He literally didn't even have the time to reply before you warned him and given the fact that he has made no edits since then, maybe he hasn't even been online to see Dr.K. replies. So, don't you think that this is excessive? Dr.K. on the other hand is writing comments about N.Hoxha's "mental capacities". Is that an ok thing to do under any circumstances? I don't understand how N.Hoxha gets a warning about something that could be a very simple misunderstanding, but comments about his "mental capacities" are made by Dr.K. on this very same discussion.--Maleschreiber (talk) 07:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for answering so late! Yes indeed I was talking about the Petrit Zifle case, the Altin Mulai case and other murder cases involving Albanians in Greece that took place after the incident. But I agree with what was said by @El C:. I shouldn't have assumed that other editors knew about those events even if they were largely broadcasted in the local media outlets, and I should have more carefully phrased my comment. I regret the outcome of the situation, and I wouldn't have thought it would turn out like this. That being said, I'm really offended by Dr.K's comment about my mental faculties. I never would have thought that people were allowed to bully other users on this platform, just wow. I have no words right now. I have tried my best to contribute to our project and I am working on expanding coverage of topics that need work. However it very much feels like not only Dr.K. but also you El_C do not want me to feel welcome here. I hope I am wrong, but I cannot understand why he can insult my mental facilities yet I am the one given a warning, for murders I am pretty sure someone familiar with Corfu would know about. N.Hoxha (talk) 08:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC) 

@Maleschreiber: you claim that a murder occurred but all you have is just a couple of youtube videos. Simply saying wikipedia is not a forum. That's not the right place to initiate forum-quality accusations. Admin intervention is fully justified in this case.Alexikoua (talk) 09:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
No, I don't have "a couple of videos". I posted the video of statement on the Greek parliament about the murder, a video of a news discussion of details of the crime and also a public call for an antifascist rally that took place in Greece. If you want reports too, [16] Here's Anastasios Archbishop of Greece about the murder of Zilfe and here's a Greek newspaper talking about the police finding the murderer [17]. According to the announcement of the Greek Police, the case of the murder of a 63-year-old foreigner in an area of southern Corfu was investigated by police officers of the Corfu Security Sub-Directorate. According to reports, the 44-year-old detainee has a relationship with Chrysi Avgi. (Golden Dawn). --Maleschreiber (talk) 10:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
  • While N.Hoxha could have expressed themselves more clearly, I do not think that they deserve a warning with sanctions, at the very least not without being asked to clarify their own words. Tbh I hate to say this about an admin who has been contributing to Wiki for years, but I find the claim of @El C: about N.Hoxha being unresponsive to be strange, if not a direct aspersion. You can not accuse someone of being unresponsive while not being online. You should at the very least wait for them to come back online again. Btw El C, a few days ago Dr. K. claimed without providing solid evidence on your talk page that @Resnjari: and I were involved in blatant tagteaming and coordinated edit-warring harassment. Today on your talk page Dr.K. called @Maleschreiber:another partisan. Before N.Hoxha made that comment, Dr.K made this one: Unlike Cal and the rest of the editors here who support inclusion of coatrack material when it suits their POV [18]. Why Dr.K. and N.Hoxha are not treated in the same way? Ktrimi991 (talk) 10:02, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
El C, the community expects much from experienced admins such as you. I appreciate many of your contributions to Balkan topics but I very much think you should reflect on this particular case. Balkan topics are rather difficult sometimes so N.Hoxha should be asked for clarification before being warned. We all make comments that might not be clear or even appropriate so good faith should prevail. Ktrimi991 (talk) 10:43, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Ktrimi991, you are not the community. You are a side in this dispute. Extreme aspersions are not going to be permitted under my watch. I'm not going to warn about a warning. That is not a serious proposition. More on that below. El_C 11:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Folks, first of all, don't make assumptions about an editor's personal circumstances and draw from that knowledge about local events, especially based on some nature images they have on their userpage. The Balkans topic area is not a free-for-all where anything goes. On the contrary, we have the discretionary sanctions in place there precisely to guard against that. Precisely because it is such a fraught topic area. Editors of the Balkans generally assume that we all share some knowledge of the same events. Well, that does not fly with me. That is not how Wikipedia works and I will take a firm hand to prevent that troubling operating assumption whenever it results in such severe violations.

While everyone is welcome on Wikipedia, N.Hoxha, they only continue to be welcomed if they edit according to the rules. If you are able to do that from now on, I welcome you with open arms. But don't continue to defend a really extreme aspersion you've made. All that does is reveal to me that you haven't really learned anything from this incident. And don't misconstrue the comment unless they are not in full control of their mental faculties, they have no excuse for this type of attack as a personal slight against you. That might have been unnecessary, but it signals the level of offense incurred. I would be offended too if I were Dr.K. You really had no excuse to basically say: Dr.K. prioritizes an event concerning a banner over the murder of innocents, how sad. I cannot understand why he can insult my mental facilities yet I am the one given a warning, for murders I am pretty sure someone familiar with Corfu would know about — that is a strawman argument (not to mention I've yet to read that line until just now) and highly disconcerting. Don't.make.assumptions, N.Hoxha. Just don't. If you are unable to draw any lessons from this incident, perhaps this topic area is just not for you. We have many other areas on Wikipedia in which you can contribute. As I've said elsewhere recently, there is a difference between simple rudeness and saying things which are difficult to take back once put in print.

Why Dr.K. and N.Hoxha are not treated in the same way? This is another strawman. While I have admonished Dr.K to do better, the violations are not remotely on the same scale. That said, I'm always open to review by my peers, which is your right of appeal (a sacred right on Wikipedia). My warning about imminent sanctions, to anyone engaging in such extreme aspersions, stands. El_C 11:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@El C: I do not have the time to focus more on this at the moment. I think that next time such discussions should take place at ANI/I where many can see and judge, not on the talk page of a single admin (after all, why always you?). You admonished Dr.K. and after that they again made more inappropriate comments on other editors. Anyways.... But just to clarify, when you say "extreme aspersions", are you referring to any of my comments? Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
I do not. You are allowed to criticize me without fear of retribution. I was referring to comments that effectively dehumanizes other editors. Dr.K. has also been guilty of this (e.g. "try becoming a Walmart greeter"). I don't think it's on the same scale as overlooking the murder of innocents, but he, too, should take note and strive to do better. I have said as much already, but perhaps it's worth reiterating more firmly. Anyway, a noticeboard (especially AE) report sounds like a good idea and I encourage participants to take advantage of that mechanism whenever they encounter violations. After all that's what it's there for. El_C 18:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
@El C: El C, I have explained this greeter reference in your talk, so I am surprised you are bringing it up as a "dehumanising" example. My response to Resnjari explained that Resnjari started the incivilities by welcoming another editor to the jungle, referring to myself and Khirurg. I replied to Resnjari in jest trying to defuse the jungle attack. I don't think my reply has anything "dehumanising" about it, given the initial provocation by Resnjari. Here is my reply to Resnjari on your talk, for your convenience. Dr. K. 19:03, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) ::::Sorry for this last ping @El C:. I know pings might sometimes become annoying but I use them when I am posting in a typical discussion that attracts a considerable number of comments by various editors. I am happy we agree such disputes (typical of Balkan topics, I see them on a daily basis) are best reported to and discussed at AE. More space to discuss, more minds to think of a solution, less lengthy discussion too probably. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Dr.K., the point is to refrain from innuendo that can come across as offensive. But again, as I mention above, proportion matters. Ktrimi991, pings do not annoy me. For sure, AE sounds like a plan. Please feel free to ping me there, too, so I could also examine the evidence and offer input. Anyway, I think N.Hoxha has the potential to become a quality, long-lasting editor, but they need to keep in mind that words have power, so they need to weigh theirs with greater care. El_C 19:11, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Ok, El C. I understand your remark. I reacted to the "dehumanising" comment. But I won't press the issue further, out of respect for your hard work and your great record both as an admin and editor. Take care and stay safe. Dr. K. 19:25, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the advises and your nice words, El_C. As I have already mentioned I regret the outcome of the situation and I acknowledge all my wrongdoings, I will make sure that this doesn't happen again. N.Hoxha (talk) 20:49, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

You are welcome, N.Hoxha. Happy editing! El_C 21:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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Map of Independent Albania

Hi,

I noticed that you inserted a wrong map of Independent Albania titled as "Independent Albania". The Independent Albania was declared on the territory of four former Ottoman vilayets which were in the process of transformation into Albanian Vilayet (link to its map which is not very good looking) when First Balkan War began. The map with different proposals of its territory already exists - link. Nevertheless, your effort is welcome and I propose you to modify the map you created to actually present claimed territory of Independent Albania when it was established, with all 4 former Ottoman vilayets. All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the map representing the four vilayets exists already. The map I created depicts the borders declared by the London Commission of 1912-1913 for the independent state of Albania (1912-1913). It also depicts the area's that were actually controlled by the Albanian Provisional Government during the First Balkan War. I'm not really sure to understand what you are talking about. Also, you reverted my map, which is factually correct, to an erroneous map which doesn't even portray all the boundaries of Albania... it's disruptive to say the least. N.Hoxha (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Great map as always NH!--Maleschreiber (talk) 22:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
You simply reverted me without even checking if I was right or not. For example, is Preševo included in the map you presented?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I have checked what you said, but the Albanian Vilayet was still part of the Ottoman Empire, so technically my map depicts it as well. But if you really insist in adding those boundaries, I can make the changes. N.Hoxha (talk) 10:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
You again ignored what I wrote. Will you please be so kind to answer my simple straightforward question. I will repeat it. is Preševo included in the map you presented? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Refrain from asking obvious questions, it's disrespectful. Have you even watched my map before you reverted it? Because if it was the case you wouldn't be asking such futile questions. Get to the point. N.Hoxha (talk) 21:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Also your comment in a foreign language [19] was unnecessary, please communicate in English on the English Wikipedia. N.Hoxha (talk) 21:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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You need to stop conflating the city of Bar with the municipality of Bar. The municipality of Bar Wikipedia page already has the Albanian version in it as 6.51% of the population declared Albanian as their mother tongue. Meanwhile, for the city of Bar a measly 0.91% of the population declared Albanian as their mother tongue, which does not constitute it as a minority language for the city. Also, about 0.56% of the population declared Russian as their mother tongue, that does not mean we should also add Russian in the language header at the start of the article. The main point I am trying to make is that since such a small percentage of Bar city residents speak Albanian as their mother tongue, it should be put with Italian and all the other languages in the name section where it rightfully belongs! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BalkanKing (talk • contribs) 22:40, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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Përshëndetje Ahmet, in the "International recognition of Kosovo" page many countries have been placed as "States that recognised Kosovo and later withdrew that recognition" but almost all the sources are Serbian or Russian. No mentions from the official governments (if they withdrew thier recognition) or anything else. I haven't seen any move to verify those claims, so I wanted to ask you if you can do that and how can I help. S.G ReDark (talk) 19:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the note, I will take a look at it as soon as find the time. I will expand and correct the article when time permits. Maybe in the meanwhile you can look for articles, etc. (if you have time ofc) Ahmet Q. (talk) 22:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank for the reply, I've already started looking for articles and I have a few already, would you mind if I post here the articles? S.G ReDark (talk) 23:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

You can send to me on my Wiki-email if you want. Ahmet Q. (talk) 09:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah sure (where can I find your Wiki-email I'm kinda new haha) S.G ReDark (talk) 15:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Normally if you look at the outermost left side of your screen you will see the option "Email this user" under the "Tools" section. Maybe this link will help you: [20]. Ahmet Q. (talk) 21:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh I found it on desktop mode since I'm on mobile, I'll email you shortly. S.G ReDark (talk) 21:18, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok first email done :D Hopefully you received it S.G ReDark (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

August 2022

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Your recent editing history at History of Kosovo shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:29, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Do you mind showing where I reverted three times? Ahmet Q. (talk) 01:10, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
@Vanjagenije I am still waiting for an answer, or maybe did you confuse me with another user who actually reverted three times in that article. It seems that you didn't warn that user, care to explain why? Ahmet Q. (talk) 13:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
It's [21], [22] and [23]. As explained at WP:EW, [...]is absolutely possible to engage in edit warring without breaking the three-revert rule. Please, do not edit-war. Use WP:BRD insted. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:44, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
To my defense the third edit wasn't a revert of anyone's edit in that 24h time interval, but alright fair enough. However you still didn't answer my question: why didn't you warn the user who actually reverted three times in the 24h period? Isn't the role of an admin to treat everyone equally? Ahmet Q. (talk) 15:06, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
You made three substantially identical reverts in the time-span of few hours. I don't see any other user making three identical reverts on that page. Please, show me the wp:diffs if there are such edits. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Did I say something about "substantially identical reverts"? I don't think I ever did, why are you bringing that up? Please read what you wrote yourself above:the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. I talked about reverts and here they are: [24][25][26]. Even a fourth one actually: [27] (three-revert violation?) Ahmet Q. (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I am bringing that up because you asked me why I didn't warn the other user. I just answered your question. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:11, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
So correct me if I am wrong but if I understand correctly, according to you reverting different content four times in less than 24h is not warrant of a warning? Isn't that in direct contradiction with Wikipedia's guidelines, especially with the three-revert-rule which states: The three-revert rule states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material, on a single page within a 24-hour period. But even if we follow your reasoning, if you looked more closely to the last three diffs of the four I linked above, you can see that they are in fact quite "substantially identical". Ahmet Q. (talk) 22:30, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes, you are wrong. I never said that reverting different content four times in less than 24h is not warrant of a warning. I just explained you why I warned you and not the other editor. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:38, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Well this is an interesting way of avoiding addressing my points. Thanks for the diffs tho. Ahmet Q. (talk) 22:54, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment Vanja, for what my opinion is worth - which is barely above the minimum required in such discussions - if someone reported Ahmet Q. for removing the multiple uses of the Kosovo-note from an article which neither needs it to explain the status of Kosovo (it has an entire section dedicated to it), nor requires it (there is no policy or consensus which demands its use), then I would say with high confidence that it would be archived with no action. This would happen because all policies fundamentally are built in such way as to protect the project from disruption (not to punish editors), but Ahmet's edits wouldn't be seen by a large majority of editors as disruptive or unreasonable. Just my two cents, have a pleasant last week of August.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:05, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Not an improvement

Of course it is. (Thesprotia) When WP:NC says that alternative names that have been used by people that used to live in that region have to be listed, then my edit is an improvement... AlexBachmann (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Chameria is not the Albanian translation for Thesportia. Also, you cannot add foreign-language translations where you want. Many editors have been banned for less than that, it would be stupid for that to happen to you. When editing controversial articles make sure you understand the topic and it is best to start discussions. I posted some links on your talk page about Wikipedia's rules, have a look at them. Ahmet Q. (talk) 23:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

What about Dominica’s recognition on Kosovo?

https://twitter.com/MFAKOSOVO/status/1535698336652484608 Kosova666 (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

??

Togo’s one?? https://www.republicoftogo.com/toutes-les-rubriques/in-english/togo-recognizes-kosovo-as-a-country Kosova666 (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

September 2022

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