User talk:Colin MacLaurin/Archive 2

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Rick Joyner

Hi! I just read that you'd like to talk about Rick Joyner and are open to his message. Like to talk to me? God bless you.HiddenInChrist 10:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Membership Graph

I've just uploaded a graph of membership by year (Seventh-day Adventist Church membership graph.jpg) primarily built from data at It was suggested for History of the Seventh-day Adventist Church but I'll leave for other editors to use where needed. I can modify this to whatever form is desired (colors etc) or just email the xls file if someone prefers. Sdenny123 17:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


For your contributions to articles relating to the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and for having had your name in some way on almost all the articles related to the church that I can remember, I believe that this small token of recogition is more than deserved. John Carter 15:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


Hey... I believe that if there can be a article about Sabbath breaking or Sunday shopping there can also be article about Christian Sabbatarianism, or Christian Sunday observance. Its not only POV its about its history and practices. user ipernar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipernar (talkcontribs) 13:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Walter T. Rea

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CfD nomination of Category:Famous Seventh-day Adventists in society

I have nominated Category:Famous Seventh-day Adventists in society (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:Seventh-day Adventists in society (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. After Midnight 0001 15:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Tireless Contributor Barnstar

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I would like to award you this barnstar for you tireless effort on work related to The Seventh-Day Adventist Church. Almost every article i look at relating to something from the church was contributed by you. Thanks for your effort to help the Seventh-Day Adventist Church have better articles on Wikipedia. Hatmatbbat10 (talk) 21:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

CSDA Church AfD

Thank you for informing me about the AfD. Your mention that the nomination was not a personal attack is, of course, quite unnecessary, since I do assume good faith :) Zahakiel 18:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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On Fritz Guy

Hey buddy

It's unfair to call FG the best SDA Systemathic Theologian because he hardly is a SDA! But seriously, you should think of Fernando Canale and Norman Gulley as some of the best ones. Try to conceal theology with philosophy and evolution is just forcing Scripture into strange a-priori conceptual structures. FG has proposed many issues that are contrary with SDA doctrines and history, I mean contrary not possible. So, denying SDA doctrines doesn't make you progressive but make you a non-SDA. Let's face it, many of FG "proggresive" contributions are already found in evangelical literature. If he would be such a big thinker he perhaps may be working in a more prestigious university!.

regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glpita (talkcontribs) 00:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Outcome of RfC on the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church article

Thank you for taking me up on the suggestion that you take your issues to RfC, I noted - with some dismay - that you were not content to actually wait for its outcome before re-inserting the very information that is a key point of the need for the request (!), and some other alterations beside. I strongly suggest you display some patience here and have a re-read of WP:OWN. You may (and have) suggested that I may not be neutral on that article, therefore for the sake of propriety I asked you to request an RfC, now I ask you to honor it. Zahakiel 00:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The issue you asked for RfC on was putting the size of the church in the lead section, which we disagreed over. I did not replace the information, per waiting for comments. Colin MacLaurin (talk) 07:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I notice you are still trying very hard to get that information into the CSDA entry, and to remove said entry from other lists like Nontrinitarianism based upon your common mis-reading of the source. I have commented on your careless (assuming good faith) but repeated misapplication of the Clarion-Ledger article on the appropriate talk page, as also your linking a Conference church to the article in the very mistaken belief that this is a CSDA fellowship; and I ask you to review your sources in the future with a more careful and neutral point of view. Thank you for your consideration. Zahakiel 15:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I did not write that the St. Joseph church was linked to the group. The newspaper article said McGill is pastor there (I time dated it to 1999), and that the family followed him from there. Colin MacLaurin (talk) 15:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
No; you added the link entitled "website" and this is NOT (I repeat) NOT a CSDA Church, certainly not one that was pastored by any CSDA minister. Please read the website to which you provided a link! You also need to re-read the C-L article, which states that the Church in St. Joseph, TN was (in our own words [1]) a "Creation Adventist Fellowship;" but then you linked it to a St. Joseph Seventh-day Adventist Church (affiliated with the North American conference - same town, different Church) in the same edit. Zahakiel 15:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Schmuck (pejorative)

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Wiktionary Requests

κρίνω & σαββατισμός are all set to go. Sorry it took so long. Atelaes (talk) 23:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Clifford Goldstein

Thanks for the communication.--Esprit15d • talkcontribs 13:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

NonTrinitarian Article

I have restored the link to the CSDA Church (once again) on the Trinitarian page. In the past you cited the "undue weight" policy when removing it, but when I ask you to quote the policy, you do not do so. I start every discussion by assuming good faith, but when it becomes this obvious that it's a case of "I don't want the link there," I have to call things as I see them. I think you do understand that the policy you initially cited is a content regulation (I have certainly explained it enough times!) but you simply do not wish to use the rules of Wikipedia as intended. Now you say "per talk page" when the RfC issue has certainly not been settled (per where on the talk page? My unanswered request that you quote the relevant portion of policy?). You can keep deleting the link if you wish, you might think it's not important a matter for inclusion on the list, but until I see some concensus on this issue, and some ACTUAL policy cited that would indicate it should not be included ("undue weight" does not deal with this issue) I am going to restore it. I will abide by concensus, per the way Wikipedia is intended to function, but I am not necessarily going to respect such unilateral reasoning as you have thus far employed. For the record: this is the way I have dealt with every article that I have been involved in editing (take a look at the other AfD discussions I've been involved in); my personal affiliations are not at issue here. I would also like to point out that your initial removal of the group was the reversion of a legitimate addition to the article per the existing Wikipedia policies that actually do apply, and therefore must have a justificaiton, which you have not yet provided. Zahakiel 17:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Australia Youth Conference

this change makes sense, I just kept having to put it back due to umpteen attempts at creating a standalone page which has been speedied and re-directed more times than I can count TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 14:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Colin. Thanks for your message. I blog every now and then (, but not very often. I'm pretty active on Facebook, and I post often at the DVD Talk Forums. My brother is Julius Nam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Namja (talkcontribs) 09:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Well hello!

Due to your talkpage presence I wanted to give you a heads-up on my doings on disambiguating "Sabbath" and was pleasantly surprised by your user and talk pages. We need lots more evangelical SDAs. I'm a "Messianic Gentile" myself. If you have a moment, please review my new "Sabbath" summary article, my tweaks to the lead of Sabbath in Christianity, and my rename proposal at Talk:Sabbath in Seventh-day Adventism and let me know what you think. And in case I don't catch you back before it reaches Australia, a blessed Sabbath to you! JJB 12:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Mel Douglass

responding to your inquiry: brother...and maintain HED's website... [email address removed - CM] Mel (talk) 17:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

SDAPI - Marcussen

Hi Colin, What is the SDAPI? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackcrew (talkcontribs) 12:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for your help with Paul Nobuo Tatsuguchi. Cla68 (talk) 06:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, Colin...

Thanks for your note about this article. I'm a first-time contributor and will be interested in seeing what you do to it. (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Rick Joyner

Hi-I read several of his books a while back and thought they were cool...but have since been a bit uncomfortable about him for the following reasons... 1. He gets visions etc then kind of trys to fit scripture into his vision...I think prophecy (if you look especially at the OT prophets) is mostly about the Prophet confronting the world (apostate church/ ungodly leaders) with the error of their ways. This is holiness. 2. I heard he was made a Knight of Malta-thats absolutely a nono for a true prophet of the G-d of Israel.See link below.

3. He hangs around with some very dodgy people. 4. Some of his prophecys have not come to pass (the OT test of a prophet is 100% sucess rate). 5. Around our way he was involved in setting up prophect schools-now prophecy is a gift of G-d-you dont need a school to teach you-thats flesh.

So im afraid i would categorise him false church-theres an awful lot of them about. BTW-im a 7th day sabbath person too. L —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

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CfD nomination of Category:Students of F. F. Bruce

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Hi, Colin,

Thanks for your attention to the article on Fritz Guy, on which I worked for the last couple of days. A general question about your instincts here (sorry--I simply can't locate the feature that would allow me to mail you directly, but I'm hoping this is an issue others find of interest as well): I initially, optimistically, created possible links in the article for Insight and the Loma Linda University Church and then discovered in each case that there wasn't currently an appropriate Wikipedia article. I noticed that you had inserted links here. Is it your sense that leaving in place links (in cases like these) that don't go anywhere will spur people to create the needed articles? I think that, as a Wikipedia reader, I tend to be frustrated by "red" links. What's been your experience? Garychartier (talk) 13:08, 22 July 2008 (UTC)GaryChartier

pt:Adventismo / pt:Adventistas

Hi Colin, thanks for you attention at wiki-pt too. I already tagged the articles. Face-smile.svg Bisbis (talk) 12:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

A big apology

Colin, I'm so sorry that I didn't reply to you for months about Rick Joyner; I simply couldn't find my way around Wikipedia, and also I moved round the world, had a car accident, etc. If there's still anything you'd like to talk about, I'd be glad to (though I don't have a clue how to write messages other than here!), and if not, then I just hope you'll accept my apology. May the Lord bless you greatly! HiddenInChrist (talk) 08:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ellen White article

Ellen White's parents didn't work as hatters, did they?

Jackcrew (talk) 20:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


I just came back from eastcoast prophetic confrence.

You can e-mail me at

thomas —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I posted a short response to your talk posting.


I also gather you added most of the material on the Standish bros, which was most interesting (probably more interesting for me given Russell shared the same name as me, that might otherwise have been the case). I was saddened to hear of his untimely death.

Hpcoder (talk) 05:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Standish brothers

Hi, I have read about Standish brothers and have translated the article into polish. I've pasted a link to polish article. Adgol (talk) 01:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks great! Colin MacLaurin (talk) 04:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)