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Guy Fawkes Night - FAR

Hi Ghmyrtle,

I would like to nominate the article Guy Fawkes Night for FAR on the grounds of: (1) comprehensiveness, it is very weak on recent, local and contemporary celebrations and obsevances and therefore cannot be deemed a comprehensive treatment of an ongoing folk celebration. (2) appropriate structure, it does not have an appropriate hierarchy of sub-headings and is essay-like in style, and (3) bias, the article is heavily biased towards the early history of the celebration to the detriment of all other facets of the subject.

However, I am a usually just a generator of prose within Wikipedia and don't know how to go about this. Any advice would be welcome. Urselius (talk) 10:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it shouldn't have passed FA, but I very much doubt if going to FAR would be productive, mainly because there has been no substantive change to the article since it passed last time. Any changes to the article are controlled by POD and overseen by other experienced editors like User:SandyGeorgia, User:Nikkimaria, and User:Malleus Fatuorum. They believed that FA criteria were met last time, and there's no reason to think they'd change their views now. The problem, I think, is with the FA criteria themselves, or perhaps on how they are applied - I don't intend getting involved enough to decide which it is. The outcome seems to concentrate on meeting academic referencing standards, rather than on producing articles that are accessible and informative to non-specialist readers. In cases like GFN, where the article should cover both historical development and current practice, this leads to a lack of balance when the sources on historical analysis are deemed to be "superior" to those on current events - and when there is only one editor with a fixed view on the matter, rather than a team of editors with a variety of views, deciding. Perhaps any article edited, in effect, by a single editor should be automatically debarred from FA consideration? Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:48, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
I think past FA decisions should be able to be challenged on the grounds that the article did not meet the stated criteria. On the pages that I have created or worked on extensively I have never tried to veto additions which have reasonable citations, it wouldn't occur to me. I think there should be a mechanism to flag articles which have been taken over by individuals or cabals to the exclusion of other contributors. You are probably right that the effort to instigate a FAR in this case would be wasted, if only that too many experienced editors now have a vested interest in defending it. A main article which does not reciprocate links with other articles on aspects of the same subject matter should ring alarm bells somewhere.Urselius (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
The problem seems to be Wikipedia:Featured article criteria. Criterion b includes the point that an FA article "neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context"; and criterion c that "it is a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature. Claims are verifiable against high-quality reliable sources and are supported by inline citations where appropriate." But those criteria can be in conflict with each other, as I've suggested, when the exclusive use of "high-quality reliable sources" does not allow the subject to be placed "in context". I suppose that could be raised at WT:FA?, but one problem is that opinions are likely to be entrenched after the last FA process, and there is certainly one group of editors who will vociferously oppose any criticism of "their" article (and, probably, an overlapping group who will oppose any criticism of the criteria and process themselves). Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:22, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation

I am quite confused as to the removal of my contribution. I am trying to create a way for people to get information and pictures of common terms used in the fashion business relating to product descriptions on ecommerce fashion sites. Many people have actually clicked through to see the picture I provide as an example to the three I have written on. I tried to reference the material but for some reason had trouble despite the fact that I am the author referencing my own website. I just want to work within the guidelines but am a bit lost in reading all of the rules. I just want to contribute information that is useful in Today's Fashion, hence the heading I placed on each called Today's Fashion in order to draw attention to what I believe searchers are looking for.

Carolineandbill (talk) 19:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The only contribution that I removed was the text on Raglan - because that page is not a page about "Raglan" (in any of its meanings) but what is called a disambiguation page, which only exists so that readers can find the right article in which to find information. If you want to create a page on Raglan (garment), you simply need to click on that red link and insert the text:
A raglan is distinguished by the unique seams that angle from under the arm toward the neckline as shown in the pic. This creates a sporty feel to the garment. Many designers play on this by adding raglan seams to a sequin or fancier top in order to give it a relaxed look.
It wouldn't be a very good article, and it might be threatened with deletion, but at least it would be a start. To improve it, you should probably read this. You might also be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Fashion. Please bear in mind that this is an encyclopedia, and headings like "Today's Fashion" are not really favoured here. Nor, for that matter, are links to commercial websites - see also this on conflicts of interest. Please let me know if I can help further. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

One More Question

Hi Ghmyrtle. Your message was so very useful btw. I suppose I am slightly confused on the very end section that says Raglan (above where I originally did the edit) a loose fitting garment. I believe it is under a type of heading of "Other" under the raglan article. I guess I am explaining that part better and what I was looking to edit. So instead of adding there I would have to create a new page that is specified for raglan in terms of fashion? Would you recommend deleting "Todays Fashion" heading on the other listings because I am attempting to show how the terms are used today. Since my site is a ecommerce would it be better to send users to view a pic under a blog because the pic is the most important part. I understand if you do not wish to advise either way. There is just a lot to learn here and I want to provide the user with a clear picture of what they are seeking. Thanks so much

Carolineandbill (talk) 21:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I can only suggest a few answers, I'm afraid - I'm certainly no expert on fashion (I simply happen to live quite near Raglan, the place) although I'm conscious that fashion is one of those topics that Wikipedia does not cover very well. If you want to write about the garments called "raglans" - that is, "with sleeves that continue to the collar instead of having armhole seams" according to this dictionary - you would need to start a new article. But there's really nothing to it, just click on the red link above and start typing. So far as photos are concerned, there are big problems over copyright regulations (see Wikipedia:Image use policy), and the only way it usually works is if you take a photo yourself and upload it to this site. Linking to a commercial website - even if, or probably especially if, it is your own commercial website - is very strongly discouraged here. I think that a heading called "Today's fashion" would also be discouraged, though if the article had sections on earlier decades you might get away with a section on "Fashion in the 2010s". An encyclopedia is supposed to avoid focussing on current events or trends, so as to give a bigger picture and put recent developments into context. Sorry if those are not the answers for which you were hoping. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Mabel

Great article. I have a few more suggestions at my page :) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 22:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Mabel Wayne? Just a little stub, there doesn't seem to be much online about her. Thanks for pointing me to your page - I'll get some good ideas from there! Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Singin' Sammy Ward for a start! Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Wow! Thanks :) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 15:56, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Earl Thomas

Do you know anything about this singer ? Seems like he has graduated from the blues to soul, so he may be more of an interest to you than me. This review is interesting, not least that he covers "Brown Sugar" and "Get It On" ! I am 50/50 about writing an article on him - would you fancy a go (if so, I will gracefully and rather readily yield). Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind. There's quite a few decent sources on him - I could get round to it next week maybe, but I'd be happy for you to have a go. I'll check through my offline sources as well. "After you Cecil...." (as my grandad used to say). Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Oh no, after you, I insist. Further info here - [1] and - [2]. Disambig page [3] already sorted. My offline stuff is of no help anyway. I'm moving on to Freddie Roulette; well, at least I'll give it a spin !?! - Cheers, Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:16, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
I'll dig out my copy of Juke Blues 61 re Mr Roulette if you like - it may help fill in any gaps. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes please. I have got some sources (a couple of on-line books, a record label website, and dear old Allmusic - about eight in total), but every little helps. Actually, I'm almost done from what I could find. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:23, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the massive assist! Just when all my chips were down too. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
No problem. There were a few minor contradictions with your sources, so I've tried to go with the best fit / most likely solution. I'm lazy when it comes to formatting references though! Let me know if you'd like me to check anything. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:12, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm more than happy with what you unearthed. Obviously the Juke Blues article gave you information not available to me, and is probably a better source than some of the third/fourth party articles that I came across. Yes, formatting references seems to be an ever expanding and evolving art form, that I struggle to keep up with. Still, we all have our Achilles heels - let the formatting nerdies have their fun. Cheers,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I've tweaked the intro as well. From the Juke Blues article, he appears to play lap steel guitar exclusively, not other forms of guitar. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:43, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Well done - actually, in days of yore it would have been a strong DYK candidate - although I might struggle to find the 'hook'. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm happy to nominate it if you like - I stay well away from there now, though I've noticed with interest that there are active discussions about the fact that the DYK process is "broken" and needs to be radically changed, if not done away with completely. No doubt vested interests will make any change virtually impossible, as with everything else here that needs changing! Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Good grief, no. It is more trouble than it is worth. I have not been near DYK since early spring, and do not intend to go back unless the criteria and processes radically change - which, as you point out, they won't. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Juke Blues

Do you, by any chance, have a copy of issue 59 of Juke Blues (2005) ? I believe it may contain an article on Cootie Stark. You may be able to add meat to the bones. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

It's just a very short obit, but I'll see if I can add anything. I keep meaning to go through my copies of JB to see what I can add in the way of new articles or any other info - maybe that will be my next "project" ! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:01, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your input, Incidentally, I notice Stark's obituary was written by Dave Peabody, who does not seem to have much information in his own article. I initiated it, albeit almost two years. so maybe details were sparse on t'internet. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Bless your cotton socks on the reds or blues thingy - every little helps. Thanks. I will digest more fully tomorrow, but, as ever, you and I fly the flag. Do the Yanks care a fig about their musical heritage ? It's about all true 'history' they have of any note (pun not initially intended). Cheers, Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
No problemo. I won't be around too much this week, so do what you will with them! Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
By the way, William Ezell is now up and running. Thanks for your input. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:40, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hi! Thank you for watching out Diddy Wah Diddy.. I've been busy loads with real life and I come to check on the articles time to time. I see you and few other editors take care of them well. Have a nice evening. ~ Elitropia (talk) 22:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

English Democrats Party

The quotes are all verifiable and I have allowed for much ambiguity in the last sentence - a subject on which I could provide over two hundred references, if you feel you have the time to read them? Opinions on other political parties are all over Wikipedia. I suspect that like other reviewers of the English Democrats page, your own subjective bias has clouded your judgement.

Kind regards,

Nick Swatman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickswatman (talk • contribs) 12:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Ghmyrtle,

Yes indeed you and your colleagues appear to prefer 'war' to 'jaw'. I refer you - to start with - to this ecerpt from 'Plaids' page:

Proposals to drown the village of Capel Celyn in the Tryweryn valley in Gwynedd in 1957 to supply the city of Liverpool with water played a part in Plaid Cymru's growth. The fact that the Parliamentary bill authorising the drowning went through without support from any Welsh MPs showed that the MPs' votes in Westminster were not enough to avert such bills from passing.

This is opinion - pure and simple.

King regards,

nick swatman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickswatman (talk • contribs) 12:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

If you have sources suggesting that wording is incorrect, I suggest either that you change it yourself or - preferably - make a suggestion on the article talk page that it be changed. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
PS: Please learn to sign your messages on talk pages with four of these : ~ It seems that, as a new editor, you have many things to learn about how to contribute here, of which that is one. I suggest that you read the articles linked from the Welcome message on your talk page. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, and of course your 'colleagues', for both your at once patronising and then again dictatorial tone. I suggest you all attempt to use a spell checker. Whilst I do not have the time to sit here and be abused, the tone of your 'discussion' is arrogant and condescending, and be assured that when I have that time, I will research use of 'Your' august site and then wipe the floor with you intellectually.Nickswatman (talk) 14:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)NickswatmanNickswatman (talk) 14:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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MonmouthpediA

Hi Ghmyrtle

Yes I think you're right, it was a bit spammy, I will tone it down considerably and redo the section and add references when they appear later this week. If you would like to be involved in any way with WP:GLAM/MonmouthpediA you would be very welcome.

thanks

Mrjohncummings (talk) 19:29, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Sagely advice

Hello Ghmyrtle. I recently recieved your message regarding the article Gloomy Sunday. I've taken your advice and removed the article from GA nomination. Understanding the difficulties in finding verifiable references for a song so shrouded in injustifiable facts and contendable sources of information, any tangible assistence and guidance provided by you on this subject (either on your, mine, or the articles talk page) will be greatly appreciated. Sincere regards Trollyboy (talk) 12:29, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

OK - I'll have another look at it in a few days time. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:34, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Kevin "Dexy" Rowland?!

Ghmyrtle, if you want a giggle, go check out the recent history of Kevin Rowland. Another editor has just reverted the incorrect nickname which was added to his infobox. That really made me laugh.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

There you go...

...again, running off to the sanbox. So, I'm effectively banned from raising any concerns about those 4 articles. As soon as I make an appearnce there, you or somebody else is gonna run to Snowded's sanbox. Well go ahead, try & get me blocked or topic banned. GoodDay (talk) 18:29, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

"Disruptive editing is a pattern of editing that may extend over a long time or many articles, and disrupts progress towards improving an article or building the encyclopedia." Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I try to improve those articles, but there seems to be a devolutionist attitude prevailing in them. Personally, it's irrelevant to me whether England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland ever become independant -- but can't you'll wait until they do? GoodDay (talk) 18:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
BTW, it's the litte map in the bottom right corner, that I'm complaining about. The World map. GoodDay (talk) 19:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Lee Curtis

Hi Ghmyrtle,

I saw that you wrote an article about Lee Curtis!

Do you know what happen with the Simon Hind (guitar) of Lee Curis and the all stars band?

We only know that he worked as DJ at the legandary STAR CLUB Hamburg. After that he also worked as DJ at "Metas Musikschuppen" 1968 in northen Germany.

This discothek is still open and we try to find some historical information about the Discothek and the discjockeys. This year it was the 50 anniversary and it has also the same flair like 50 years ago. Many bands played there before the music career began. (Scopians, The Rattles, The Rustlers, Howard Carpendale, Rare Earth Band etc)

Maybe you have some information about Simon Hind. I can´t find any.

Thanks a lot!

Jan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.9.58.132 (talk) 13:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't have any information beyond what I got off the internet when I was researching the article. On this forum page, there is a 2010 post from a musician, Mike Bankes ("Miban") - website here - who says that Simon Hind was "still living in Germany". That's all I know. You may want to try leaving a message on either of the sites that I've linked to. Sorry I can't help any more than that. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Roy Brown

When you have a minute, could you look up Brown's US R&B chart attributes. His current article states fifteen between 1948 and 1951, which I seriously doubt. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. Depends how you count them, but he had 12 A-sides and 2 B-sides in the R&B chart over that period. I've noticed some apparent errors in the "complete singles discography" which someone added, which I'll need to get round to looking at sometime - too busy at the moment. Shame I couldn't include "Living Next Door To Alice", of course. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
You're a good 'un. Thanks. Was he chubby, then ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Faye Adams

Could I prevail again, this time on Ms. Adams ? The Allmusic chart details [4] do not equate with Wiki's claims, or even Allmusic's own biography of her [5]. Is it because she was the featured vocalist under another's name - Joe Morris ? Ohhhh, it's confusing; anyhow Adams' article could do with another referenced source, if you have the time. Saluté.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

OK - now done. I suspect that Allmusic doesn't use the Billboard chart details before some point in the mid-50s - or, at least, it doesn't in that case. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Leonard Caston, Jr.

This chap might interest you. I was doing some work on his father's article (Leonard Caston) and came across his name. He co-wrote, co-produced, and played on Eddie Kendricks' "Keep on Truckin'" and "Boogie Down" amongst others; co-wrote Mitty Collier's ""I Had A Talk With My Man"; co-wrote The Supremes, "Nathan Jones"; earlier was a member of The Radiants; also played the piano on Fontella Bass' "Rescue Me" and was the fourth man on the moon (no, I made that last one up). He has a decent piece at Allmusic - [6].

Which is part repayment for the work you did for me on my Reds or Blues list. Over to you, when you have the time !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Maybe - watch this space! Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
PS: Just after I wrote that, Mitty Collier's "I Had A Talk With My Man" came on my ipod random shuffle. Spooky! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:18, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
PPS: Now done. Any idea of birth date? Circa 1940 I should think, but I can't find any trace of evidence. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:58, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Good article. You teased me with your 'maybe'. No, I have not got a date of birth for him, but circa 1940 must be about right looking at surrounding factors. Probably worth adding a hat note thingy to avoid confusion with his father too.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Joe Hicks

Do you know anything about this fellow ? I have sort of 'rescued' the article, that previously referred to two completely different musicians !?! In days of yore, you may have shaken your booty, or whatever the expression was, to his Northern soul classic, "Don't It Make You Feel Funky". Or, maybe not. The last time I shook my booty, a load of mud and chicken shit fell off. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:52, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Nada. Zilch. Others have tried. The article seems to be as much as anyone knows. And I've never heard him, or indeed heard of him! But the record was produced by the (apparently not personally notable) Pat Vegas, so I've added that to the article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:12, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

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Fringe Theories

Hi Our friend Paul S has been talking about us on Fringe Theories so I thought that I'd better offer a defence. Regards. Wilfridselsey (talk) 20:54, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - I wasn't even aware that noticeboard existed! Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:29, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Well that makes two of us, I only came across it by accident today!!Wilfridselsey (talk) 22:33, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Calvin Leavy

Could I ask you to look in your trusty book and confirm, or otherwise, "Cummins Prison Farm", a blues song that debuted on Billboard’s rhythm and blues chart on May 2, 1970, and stayed for five weeks, reaching No. 40. Encyclopediaofarkansas.net. If so, I feel an article coming on. Many thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:18, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes indeed - on Blue Fox 100 - here. Have a reference - Whitburn, Joel (1996). Top R&B/Hip-Hop Singles: 1942-1995. Record Research. p. 262. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Splendido. Otherwise in all this, I am getting a little lost. What did we agree (or not) over creating articles for Raymond Hill (tenor sax) ("Rocket 88" and "Mystery Train"), Michael Coleman (blues musician) and Earl Thomas (musician) ? Also does Clarence Garlow, à la "Bon Ton Roula" float your boat ?? The latter's name was found under that bush in my garden; which for the sake of clarity and brevity, and in honour of a completely unconnected conversation, I shall henceforth refer to as a 'Wisteria'. Rather then, in the manner of, "Blimey, Derek's found more hysteria under his wisteria". I've probably had too many wine gums, to be honest.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure that we ever got as far as agreeing a WP:CONSENSUS between the two of us.... I'm aware that Earl Thomas is an embarrassing redlink on my page (what happens when someone writes an article about redlinks?), and if you like I'll take him on - but I probably won't feel like doing it for a few days (real world... ) and, personally, at the moment I find writing about obscure (but definitely notable!), figures from the murky past more fun than current active musicians. I'm not sure that Raymond Hill is really notable - although a life in which you both play sax on "Rocket 88" and have sex with young Anna Mae Bullock is probably a lot more notable than anything I'll ever achieve. I'm happy to leave them up to you if you're that way inclined, though if I'm feeling bored one day I might just come across to your user page and nick one from you! Heigh ho, heigh ho...!. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:28, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Okay. Then it is not in any way or sort agreed, but I will leave Earl Thomas to you (accepting fully that it will be a while down the road) and I will work on the rest - when the mood takes. I fully understand how different facets of Wiki appeal at different times. Variety is the spice of life. I am also mindful that you, and I, are approaching different Wiki milestones before this year is out. I equally comprehend why Wiki can not reach consensus on anything, when two roughly equal and compliant, editors are thrashing hopelessly around on something that is almost a 'given'. Actually on the Disney front, instead of "Heigh ho" (what a brilliant, magical creation, when you think about it), what about "I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date". Frustration truly abounds with me, trying to track down details of the death of that song's creator, Bob Hilliard. Heigh ho and ho hum.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
You never know what you are going to find with these blues boys, but Mr. Leavy is an interesting one !
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

The Bad Shepherds

I saw Adrian Edmonson, and the aforementioned Shepherds, at Hull Truck Theatre tonight. By hell, they were good. Imagine The Stranglers, The Clash and the Sex Pistols et al, songs, done in a fevered Irish jig style with humour, passion, truly alternative arrangements and great musicianship. Particulary enjoyed their takes on "Down in the Tube Station at Midnight" and "(I'd Go The) Whole Wide World". Perhaps you had to be there, but the trio were, to me, musically outstanding. Eh, a grand night out !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

"(I'd Go The) Whole Wide World" has been on many compilation cassettes (remember them?!) of mine over the years, and indeed still finds a place on my ipod. Amazed that anyone else remembers it, and that we have an article! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
One of those songs, pretty rare, that was never a hit, but a significant proportion of the public loved. Two chords, a punk rock ballad, as if that was possible; and a ditty that somehow could have been number one or lost forever. It was, as we now know, neither ! There does not seem to be that heady mixture of humour, pathos and quirkiness in present day pop. If you will George Formby, Squeeze, Rolf Harris, Morrissey (almost ?) with Chumbawamba and Nizlopi. The Bad Shepherds' encore included "White Riot", played in a manner of The Pogues on acid. Probably not your kind of music at all, but I was much taken with their originality and spirit.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Sounds like just my sort of music actually. Well, maybe not George Formby. Or Morrissey, really. But I saw Squeeze a few times "back in the day" as they say, and the Clash come to that (including the tour when they were supported by Suicide - not a pairing made in heaven, really). Hey ho - half a lifetime ago now ...... Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Well you've missed them at Gloucester (4 November) and Hereford (6 November); just Brighton, Fareham, Folkestone and finally London (26 November) to come.[7] I was not sure that they would be musically sound, but they were. I did not mean that they sounded like Formby or Morrissey, just that kind of 'off the wall' eccentricity. My wife said that my face lit up when the Shepherds got going, and she was right. You were never too sure what was coming next; and then "Ace of Spades" was introduced as a 'love song'. Priceless.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

The Leadership Council

Hi Ghmyrtle,

I have been adding people to a new category: "Members of The Leadership Council", and you have asked me to explain.

It's a credible organisation with a website and with high profile members. They publish annual influential research books as well, which can also be found on their website.

If you feel this is a credible category, please can you advise me on how to update Wikipedia so as it doesn't get deleted? Shall I give a brief overview of it on the category page, or rather create a whole new "The Leadership Council" article on it?

Many thanks for your advice and support, Alastair279 (talk) 14:10, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I think this is the link you need (the other one doesn't work). Well, first you need to establish that the organisation is notable - that is, it has been mentioned in several independent sources. Then, you (or someone) needs to write an article about it, again based on reliable sources. Once that has been done it would be appropriate to set up a category for its members. It seems odd to start a category regarding something about which there is no article, but if you think the organisation is notable and you are intending to create an article about it, it might be OK. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll consider this and act accordingly. Alastair279 (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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Cornwall

I'm in agreement with this edit, but I think it's worth mentioning it on the talk page as there was a discussion there :) --Nutthida (talk) 21:41, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

You've changed your name, haven't you? I was waiting for Bob to respond to my last comment, but you're right, I'll leave a comment there. Thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh, yes, I have - it's my Partners Thai name. Slightly confusing. If I made it seem as though I was in favor of it being kept I didn't mean it like that xD thank you anyway ~ --Nutthida (talk) 22:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Juke Box Jury

FM! .. that was a rapid (and well amusing) response. We've met before, elsewhere on Wikipedia, so much appreciated, matey. Actually I found it scary that something I took for granted in my memories is just simply lost. I'm hoping to snuffle out even more about this one before it all disappears into the ether - I live within yards of several people who appeared on the program, not to mention someone nearby with a comprehensive collection of 60's magazines I'd kill to own. All good friends = a couple of good, mad nights full of Chardonnay, I think. Of course, any comments and any support appreciated. Brieflysentient (talk) 17:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd appreciate a beady eye cast over the changes I've made since Friday. You might want to drift by the discussion page also, where I've rambled out a bit of rationale and where the article might go from here. As I've said there, I'm not sure where else it can go from there without perhaps a 'social importance' section, which would be brief but convincing, I think, with a bit of moving around or finer quoting the current stuff plus a few other bits and bobs. I'll look at that later this week. Advice on a peer review or if there's a chance of getting to 'good article' status would be helpful (I've got big shoulders, I can take it!!!).
In the meantime, I'm about JBJ'd out, although it's been great fun - scary how many appearances I can remember vividly, and so much stuff I'd forgotten in random asides (I'm now annoying the kids with the newly re-discovered Milliganism 'Put him in the curry', and plan a delve into Jimmy Edwards still-extant material when I can). Thank you for the feedback you've already given, appreciated. If there's ever a music-based article you want naggling at or support on, or think someone else might find useful, please consider me on the call list. Brieflysentient (talk) 14:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Will do, but I expect I'm going to be a bit short of time over the next few days (and, indeed, weeks...). Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Ivory Joe Hunter

Could I ask you to take a butchers at your book for Ivory Joe's chart credits. The present Wiki article does not seemingly accord with Allmusic's chart info, here - [8] - but, as you noted before, perhaps Allmusic is not to be relied upon for the early/mid 1950s. Imagine being christened Ivory Joe - I should have been 'Deadly Derek' ! Your middle name could have been 'Fawkes', or 'Mitchell'. We wuz robbed.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Now done. Allmusic is obviously not a reliable source for R&B chart placings before 1955! Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Splendid - four #1 R&B hits. I did not expect a chart discography, but thanks. Actually, I've just realised the terrible irony in 'Ivory Joe'. I should have been Nutty Slack Bullamore and you Anthracite 'Amilton.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:47, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 November 2011

Castleton, Newport

Thought I'd introduce myself: Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I found you on the above editing page... you seem to be the only active editor there. Today, I undid just one detail within the new section I had created about places if interest nearby, namely Druidstone House. As you can see, there isn't a page for this old mansion, so I removed the Wikilink.

To understand my interest in Castleton and the area, please read my user page. It's not very long.

I look forward to your comments on the section I have just created: "Railway".

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC) Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Gareth. Firstly, I should say that I don't have any special knowledge of, or particular interest in, Castleton itself - it's one of probably dozens of south east Wales pages that I have on my watchlist (I live in Chepstow), so I take a look if there are any substantial edits to it. If you are intending to improve the page (based on reliable sources, obviously!), that's great. There are a few active editors around (or interested in) the Newport area - User:Owain and User:Martinevans123 spring to mind, but I'm sure there are others as well - who you may encounter here if you stick around. You may also want to think about adding your name at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Members. Regarding the redlink for Druidstone House, there's no need to remove the link if there is a likelihood (or a reasonable hope) that an article should be created - I don't know the building, so don't know if that's true in that case (but, if it's not notable, why mention it at all?) Anyway, best wishes, Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello Ghmyrtle, I had already read your user page... I'm impressed. Thanks for the info.
I agree about Druidstone House. I shall remove because historically it is of interest, but now not worth visiting.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Devon and Wessex

GHMyrtle, I had not noticed that my discussion had not been moved (rather than deleted) until after my post. I have made additional coments on that section. I dio not know hy "rBob re born" objected to my comments about Devon. I would suspect that the fact that not everybody identifies with a "Wessex" regnion to be largely uncontroversial in Devon itself. Perhaps we should seek input from others from Devon, rather than "experts" from elsewhere. Bob re-born may have reacted to a link I included to RFoD, but as I have said, I have nothing to do with that site, and simply used it as an example. I do object to proper discussion being rdenied Dewnans (talk) 11:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

No-one is denying any discussion. What are important are reliable independent sources, due weight, and the fact that any one person's views and opinions are simply irrelevant here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

GHMyrtle, I understand, but I would ask why some ( e.g Bob re born) seem to reverse any question that there may be a contrary view. If you want evidence, and I have given some hints above which you could simply Google, then I am happy to provide. Dewnans (talk) 11:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

It's the responsibility of the person seeking to add text to provide the references for it - WP:EDIT, WP:RS. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:56, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

British Newspaper Archive

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ - interesting, if a little pricey! Wwwhatsup (talk) 11:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Helping "Newbies"

Many thanks for your input. (Rolls Statue) Next, hopefully, will be the statue of Henry. Steeeeep learning curve for a very old brain cell. Cheers Rob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckholt (talk • contribs) 11:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem - sorry if some my edits seem a bit harsh. I've emailed John Cummings to see how I can best have some input into this project. Happy to help out. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Harsh ! Force 10 in the Irish Sea is harsh ! Grateful for help from someone so experienced. Have a good Christmas.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.178.45 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 5 December 2011‎
...and don't forget to (1) log in and (2) sign your comments using four of these: ~ ....! Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 December 2011

Waiting for the third (again)

Howard Tate, Dobie Gray ....

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

...a roadie??!!! I think that's stretching the definition of notability just a little! Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it's nonsense - he'll never warrant an article. Still waiting though ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:49, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Fabulous 208!!

Thanks for fixing that link. Anglo-centrism has a lot to answer for. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

No probs - just spotted it in passing! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Ora Alexander

If only to include "Come on daddy, get down on your knees, Sock it to my weak spot if you please" (worthy of a Grammy alone for escaping the puritanicals in the hallowed US), I diligently trawled the world of musical rubbish to produce the above article. Sadly, I am awaiting the deletionist squad. Best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 02:09, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

An object lesson in how to make an article out of almost nothing! Good list of song titles - I think we get the picture of where her interests lay..... Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you - well put. Still, Ora must have been quite a gal. Actually, she is somewhat second division compared to say Lucille Bogan or, for my money, the gold medal winner, Lil Johnson.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:28, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The laundry list about GoodDay

Gh. As you know, the page was deleted. Some of those who subscribed to it, including the nasty heading "Goodnight", have since moved GoodDay's RFC/U. I have no idea whether you added to it because it no longer exists. If you did add to it you were wrong to do so, as you agreed at the MfD it was an inappropriate article per WP:POLEMIC. However, in answer to your question, it is not attacking you integrity and I apologise if the message fragment upset you. It was part of a longer, multi-talk page discussion with Snowded who was accusing me of making snide comments, bad faith, innuendo and personal attacks and was written to him in that context. Leaky Caldron 19:25, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 December 2011

New page

Helloo Guy! Do you patrol new pages? I created The Sparkles couple of days ago, and I see in the 'new pages' list that it's still not patrolled, high-lightened yellow. It seems there are no volunteer wikipedians who are interested in a garage rock band article. I remember Diddy Wah Diddy being tagged as not reviewed since it was not patrolled for over a month after being created. I would like to avoid the same happening once more. So, wanted to ask if you could do the patrolling? Thanks in advance. ~ Elitropia (talk) 13:00, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I've never actively patrolled new pages, because I've never thought of it, and no-one has asked me before. I'll have a quick look and add it to my watchlist anyway. I've never heard of The Sparkles! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Alright then, I will really have to wait for someone to patrol it.. hopefully soon! Oh, well, if you like garage rock, you will love The Sparkles, I'd suggest you listen "No Friend of Mine" and "Hipsville 29 B. C."! ~ Elitropia (talk) 13:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Just downloaded "Hipsville 29BC" - excellent, thank you! Doesn't quite match the wonderful "Going All The Way" by The Squires though, my alltime favourite garage track! Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:02, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
"Going All The Way" is indeed a great track, I have so many favorites, countless : ) I'm glad you like the Sparkles, "I Want To Be Free" is a great track as well. By the way, thank you for the edits, just noticed them. ~ Elitropia (talk) 15:46, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
A few more: "I'm In Pittsburgh And It's Raining" and "1253 Blair" by The Outcasts, "My Daddy Walked In Darkness" by Gil Bateman, "Hey Joe" by The Golden Cups...... Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
All great choices! I love "I'm so glad" cover by the Golden Cups loads, there is a cool footage of the band on youtube. I love tons of Texas bands' tunes like (just comes to my mind now) "be nice" by the Nomads (Fort Worth, TX, there are several same named band), "nothing can bring me down", by the Twilighters.. there are loads, the Coachmen, The Wig, Five Americans, Moving Sidewalks, Knights Bridge and the list goes on! Also, I cannot pass without telling you about The 'In' (Alabama based garage band), their tune "just give me time' is a great fuzz shower : ) Hmm, I guess also I love the tune "you'll never know" by the Original Sinners a lot, too. ~ Elitropia (talk) 16:25, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
I'll check them out - I certainly don't know some of them. Thanks! Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
As my playlist just gave me "I'm on my way down the road" by the Wig Wags, I did remember how much I love that tune, too! And there are garage bands the Lemon Drops, the Swamp Rats, Public Nuisance... and these bands have only one (or two) album each, and all of their tunes are great. About Public Nuisance, band had no recordings released during their times, like about 30 years later the band disbanded, two CD compilation album was released, cool one. ~ Elitropia (talk) 12:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Spent the weekend listening to the Savages (Bermuda band), Live n Wild is their only album, "the world ain't round, it's square", "no no no", "nobody but you" are the ones I like the most and also they have a cool cover of The Animals tune "we gotta get out of this place". I believe you will like, these tunes are all on youtube. Also, the Dirty Filthy Mud (they have only on single released) tune "forest of black" can be considered a master piece, I can say it's one of my all time favorites.. ~ Elitropia (talk) 11:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

500 up !

The Writer's Barnstar
To commemorate your considerable achievement in creating 500 new articles. Well done ! Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The criteria states "The Writer's Barnstar may be awarded to two groups of Wikipedians: Wikipedians writing articles about writers and books, and Wikipedians writing a large number of articles/edits". Well, you've been next to useless at the first, but brilliant at the latter. And you've not got one of these. Congratulations old boy ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

But I am writing a book! (Isn't everyone?) I'm very grateful. You must be catching me up though! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:46, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh, congratulations! Awesome work Guy, 500 is a big number! ~ Elitropia (talk) 14:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
That's amazing! Well done. I have managed 45 and that's taken years! You deserve more than a single star. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't necessarily mean that any of them are any good, of course... But at least I've never had any deleted, which is something, I suppose. Next might be the idea of progressing them through to GA - if I can motivate myself enough. Or, I could just get a life somewhere else! Anyway, thanks for the messages, folks.  :-) Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:20, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Well done! Congratulations, Ghmyrtle.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Jeanne. I don't think any of them are anywhere near your high standard, though. PS: You can call me Guy too, if you like! ;-) Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

White British

i moved the article so i can use "white british" as an article for all white people in britain (original and foreign) , all the information about "original white people in britain" is kept in "White people in britain" sociald43 (TALK) 11:19, 16 December 2011 (UTC) This account is a sock puppet of Chaosname and has been blocked indefinitely.

Your reversion of my reversion of Sociald43 (talk · contribs)'s edit to your talk page

Figured I'd let you known that, as the edit summary points out, I was reverting a edit by a sockpuppet of Chaosname (talk · contribs), who has a long history of suckpuppetry. (see his SPI archive for proof) However, I, of course, have no problem with you reverting my reversion. I am very lenient when it comes to those things. (i.e. I don't mind if someone reverts an edit I do while patrolling Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates, as, if it wasn't an admin re-adding the protection template after reprotecting, I'll usually end up removing it again later) LikeLakers2 (talk | Sign my guestbook!) 11:57, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I know - no problem, but I'd rather keep talk page edits here, partly for ease of referring back. Never come across suckpuppetry before though.....  :-0 Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 December 2011

Nadolig llawen

Happy Christmas

Nadolig llawen. And very best wishes for 2012. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Church of St Thomas the Martyr, Monmouth

A Merry Christmas - and other winter festivities Victuallers (talk) 08:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 December 2011

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