User talk:Huon/Archive32

Unblock request

Hey Huon,

I turned my VPN off I didnt know that your not supposed to have VPN on while editing articles so yeah I cant add another unblock request on my talk page anymore so I thought I might let you know. Is there anything else that I'm supposed to do to get unblocked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NakhlaMan (talk • contribs) 09:29, 2 July 2019 (UTC) NakhlaMan (talk) 09:31, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

@NakhlaMan: Since you're able to edit this page, you're clearly no longer affected by the block on your VPN's IP range. Your account was never blocked at all. Happy editing! Huon (talk) 10:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

NantucketHistory

Thanks for the help. It was only after she did not respond to my concerns that I reluctantly blocked. I think she will be a great asset via GLAM.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 00:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

1956, Central Travancore

Hi Huon,

I was writing about the director, and found out about his latest venture, 1956, Central Travancore. I reached out to the team, and was given a synopsis and the cast details. It is my first time writing an article about a movie, and some of the others I looked at for reference didn't have citations for the plot. I see my error now.

Can I move the article to draft, instead of having it deleted entirely? Then if it does become notable, I don't have to start from scratch. Thanks! ColourfulKharacter (talk) 12:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@ColourfulKharacter: I have moved the page to Draft:1956, Central Travancore. Huon (talk) 15:26, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Charles Trippy

Hey Huon,

I was just wondering why the page was refused exactly? You seem to cite non-reputable articles, but the official guinness book of records is reputable, no? I'm just curious what exactly I need to do to get this page published.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavryk87 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Mavryk87, Guinness might arguably be helpful (I'm not sure just how much fact-checking they do for information not directly relevant to the record they document), but that's not where the bulk of the draft's content comes from. His own YouTube videos or other social media definitely are not the kinds of sources we should base an encyclopedia article on. See WP:Identifying reliable sources for the kinds of sources we should be using. And then there's an entire section that cites no sources whatsoever. Huon (talk) 11:11, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thankseverso

	Thx!
	Thanks for that talk page archive clean-up. Muchly appreciated. Shearonink (talk) 02:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome, it was my pleasure. Huon (talk) 02:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikispecies

Wikispecies/Epilobium.Thank you for your help. I will read it again. With thanks. With thanksGigartina (talk) 19:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Woohoo

	Happy Adminship	from the Birthday Committee
	Wishing Huon a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! -- Mjs1991 (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Please help in updating the new logo

Hi Huan

Need you help in updating the new company logo on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakridge_International_School. Not able to embed the logo file here. The same has been updated on our website as well yesterday - http://www.oakridge.in/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Learnois (talk • contribs) 06:24, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

@Learnois: Done. Huon (talk) 00:08, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much Huon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Learnois (talk • contribs) 06:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for correction on Amaju Pinnick , Date of Birth

Thank you so much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alukoseyi (talk • contribs) 21:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Please remove all fraud allegation article on Amaju Pinnick Page

Dear Huon, This Alukoseyi representing Amaju Pinnick, you assisted me to correct Amaju Pinnick date of birth few days, I was blocked after I trying to remove Fraud Allegation on Amaju Pinnick page ,Pinnick remains a member of FIFA's Organization Committee for Competitions having passed an integrity test and this is a man that has never been convicted by any court. The whole page got it wrong even from the date of birth which I had to ensure was corrected from 1-12-1973 to 1-12-1970. Please I want all those columns where allegations were mentioned taken off. Thank you.

Source :

https://www.footballlive.ng/i-passed-fifa-integrity-test-to-be-recognised-by-fifa-pinnick-amaju/

https://www.pulse.ng/sports/football/amaju-pinnick-nff-president-gets-fifa-appointment/pxyfbgh

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/sports/sports-features/220992-nigeria-football-chief-pinnick-gets-fifa-appointment.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.58.208.201 (talk) 18:57, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

@Alukoseyi: Sorry for the slow response; I was busy in real life. First of all, if your account was blocked, you should request to be unblocked on your user talk page, User talk:Alukoseyi. Using an IP (or another account) to continue to edit is block evasion and will see the IP address (or account) blocked, too. Secondly, the sources you present here are, in order, an interview where Mr Pinnick speaks, a report on something that happened in 2017 that gives the false impression that it were more current, and a 2017 press release about the same 2017 appointment. None of those can be relevant to 2019 fraud allegations, and removing those well-documented and highly relevant allegations on the basis of sources that don't say anything about those allegations is disruptive. We'll not whitewash the article in this way. If Amaju Pinnick's current legal troubles come to naught, there will be news reports explicitly mentioning that. Huon (talk) 20:00, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Possible IP use by banned user

Hi, I was wondering if this IP user could be User:Lachlb? Eldumpo (talk) 16:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

@Eldumpo: In the future, please make use of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. I'm not all that familiar with this particular editor and would have to do quite a bit of research to come to some conclusion. Also, the latest edit from the IP was twelve days ago; blocking the IP now would serve no purpose. Huon (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Regarding page :- Sarish Kanungo.

I'm a PRO who writes about personalities, it's not promotion , it is about people. There are n number of articles/pages on actors and personalities who have been doing good work. At times only this happens or mostly they get published. Kanungo Sarish (talk) 12:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC) If you want I can give more references , then can it be approved ?

@Kanungo Sarish: What do you mean by "mostly they get published"? Have you written other articles that got published? If so, can you give a link to an example of your work that got published, please? Huon (talk) 16:12, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Ref anchors help

Thank you for the help with Ref anchors. I had been banging my head against a problem for quite a while and the information provided was the last bit needed for me to bring together enough insight to make a conclusion. Skullcinema (talk) 12:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Ukraine population

Edit Ukraine population in infobox Ukraine, only crimea and 42 million, wtf is that... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:111f:e1a:a400:f1c7:f6ac:bdc5:4349 (talk • contribs) 14:45, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

If you want to request edits to the article on Ukraine, the place to do so is Talk:Ukraine. You'll need to provide a reliable source for whatever changes you propose; I can't quite tell what you think needs doing there. Huon (talk) 15:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Scientific Standards & Conventions for English Bird Names

(Forgive me if some material is repeated, but I have yet to master "talk" and "edit" and "contribute" commands & procedures.)

Dear WIKI colleagues,

One area for improvement in WIKIPEDIA is in the consistent application of strict conventions in scientific nomenclature. On the one hand national languages OTHER THAN IN ENGLISH are not consistent. For example, in Spanish proper names are not capitalized at all. On the other hand, names in Latin are absolutely strict, as well as are the complementary English names. In both there is no flexibility at all, and we specialists (e.g birders and scientists) can get quite confused dealing with complex subject matter in phylogeny when the lay-person offers up species with no clear names.

Speaking of the layperson, it cannot be over-emphasized just how important proper names are. Today the entire areas of phylogeny, taxonomy and classifications are in complete upheaval, due to the synergistic effects of digital and chemical tecnology developments. All flora and fauna are under re-evaluation since these developments came into play about 20 years ago.

So, an example: The english name of Geotrygon frenata (And here the editor may not allow me to apply the obligatory bold-face or italics for the Latin) is the White-fronted Quail-Dove. Notice that the hyphenated adjective has only the first word capitalized, while both words of the noun (A category) are capitalized. Please know that this is not some weirdo being picky. This is the convention. English species names are just that: specific, just like the Latin. One cannot change the way they are written because of personal preference, as is very frequently the case here on WIKIPEDIA.

Honestly, because I spend thousands of hours working with species of birds, trees, orchids, etc, I spend many of those here searching information and become quite confused in many cases because of this problem. In addition, I have published 2 bird guides and a CD with 253 species of birdsounds, so I have worked with the names intimately and on teams with numerous scientists also with publishing experience in bird identification and research.

Please help us ameliorate this in some fashion. There must be algorithms that would address the problem.

Things are reversed: inconsistencies of the layperson are dictating to science, whereas it should be the other way around. Bacteriologists make their own rules. Ornithologists make their own rules. Astronomers determine how names and concepts are treated within their area. The layperson uses the references determined by the specialists.

What a travesty that the entire list of almost 10,000 species of birds has been corrected wrong. Every single species of those 10,000 is incorrectly reported because the scientific conventions have been overridden by a non-specialist. ("List of birds by common name") In fact, three references listed for that list (National Audubon Society, World List of Birds & Birdlife International) have been utterly countermanded, so I'm not sure why they are listed; a reference should back you up!

Thank you, Douglas Knapp, biologist and conservationist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglas Knapp (talk • contribs) 14:38, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Douglas Knapp, this is my talk page which is meant for discussions specifically with me. If you have concerns regarding a single article, the discussion should be at that article's talk page - for the List of birds by common name, that's Talk:List of birds by common name, and it can be reached via the "Talk" tab at the top of the article, right next to "Article". If you have more wide-ranging concerns about issues that affect multiple articles, it's best to choose a more central location for a discussion than a single article's talk page - WikiProjects are places where editors interested in specific topic areas collaborate, and in this case, WT:WikiProject Tree of Life seems a reasonable place for a discussion that, if I understand you correctly, would concern more than just that list of birds. I'll leave notes both at the WikiProject's talk and at the article's talk page; please use the WikiProject's talk page to continue the discussion. Huon (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Huon. Please forgive me for breaking protocol. I'm still confused about how this system works amongst us. Rest assured that I will continue the discussion with our colleagues and try to find some common ground. As I think you have understood, at least to some extent, this is a very broad topic and may need to go to a higher level of discourse to find the the authority we need to come to certain conclusions. Meanwhile I am going straight o the TOL connection. Thanks again! DougDouglas Knapp (talk) 18:16, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Huon: Please go to the references I have cited. WIKI is utterly mistaken on conventions for using English common names with birds. "Clements List" from the "Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology" is the appropriate reference. It's too bad the discussion got so heated, but never in my life have I seen people so ignorant about the material argue so persistently for an unjustifiable and ignorant point of view. Again and again they have argued about WIKI conventions and ignored the references I gave for the material. They are not mine! They are lon-standing coventions in the ornithological community. Even "Nature" is not in a position to contend this. Douglas Knapp (talk) 01:14, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

The issue here is that Wikipedia is not part of the ornithological community. We follow common usage, and if specialist usage differs, that might be noted somewhere, but it doesn't mean we have to follow it. (It also doesn't mean that the non-specialists are wrong.) And for what it's worth, I checked Oxford University Press; while the example ornithological book I looked at does capitalize bird names, they have a different scheme of capitalization than the one you propose and that Clements List uses. Are you about to say that OUP also is ignorant? Will you dismiss any reference that disagrees with you? That makes you unpersuadable. Huon (talk) 10:09, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

per request

Sorry, I hadn't seen the request to bring this up here and that you no longer wanted to respond there. I'm a little concerned that you aren't actually an uninvolved administrator, per Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive304#User:Ritchie333_doubling_down_on_personal_attacks, which from the titling of the section and the argument made looks to me like you had a dog in the fight. I'm not questioning your good faith, but this block seems problematic to me. I think it would have been better to wait for some other admin to decide this was a block that needed to be made. --valereee (talk) 17:59, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Valereee: I don't have a "dog in the fight" and would prefer that there were no fight at all. I don't remember ever having been attacked by Ritchie333 or having been in any other kind of conflict with him. From WP:INVOLVED: "One important caveat is that an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role [...] is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area." Cautioning an editor that they are in violation of policy is an administrative capacity, and doing so through WP:AN, both for community review and for greater effect when it was clear that the same caution on the user talk page would have been ignored, doesn't make it any less so. For comparison, if I had given someone a vandalism warning and later blocked them for vandalism, no one would consider me "involved". If I give someone a NPA warning and later block them for inappropriate conduct towards the same target, I'm no more involved. Huon (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok. I'll point out that if one person is willing to say it, dozens are thinking it, but you have to use your own best judgement. Best to you. --valereee (talk) 19:26, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I believe that Huon did the right thing, and I know others that don't want to comment either, that feel the same (Look at ACN, would you? I know I don't want to be the target of any of that). Not sure how many dozens that counts for, but it's something. SQL^{Query me!} 22:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

If you believe that, you're wrong. GregJackP Boomer! 03:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

SQL, I wasn't commenting on whether the block was good or bad. I in fact haven't commented on that anywhere. I was commenting on whether Huon should have been the one to make it. There was no rush. This wasn't a compromised account that could do untold damage in a short period. Dozens if not hundreds of admins were likely watching the issue develop. To me it looked like an admin who could be considered not-uninvolved. I just think it would have been better to let someone else make that block. --valereee (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

My message to you

Hi, just a heads-up that I addressed some comments to you at Ritchie333's talk page. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: Regarding your comment: I do not at all think that you caused this. Ritchie333 is blocked for his own edits, not for anything you did, and you did not ask him to comment on other editors. I am well aware that almost everybody violates their topic (or interaction= ban and gets warned for it without immediately being banhammered. That happened to Ritchie333 in the immediate aftermath of the interaction ban; I included a link to the warning in the block message. The exchange on Ritchie333's talk page came almost three days after the IBAN announcement, about a day after WTT's warning. That should be more than enough time for "letting off a little steam". While I see that Ritchie333 expresses concern fot Tjla12, he also commented negatively on Praxidicae's edits. He shouldn't have done that. It's unhelpful, and it needs to stop. I do not think a further warning would have convinced Ritchie333 any more than the previous warning. Huon (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

You are wrong, which is very disappointing. I will note our discussion here, on Ritchie's talk page. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Ritchie333 is a content creator, and you drove him off. Shame on you. GregJackP Boomer! 17:47, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

These days, strolling over IRC matters far more .... Times are changing:-) ∯WBG^converse 19:48, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Huon, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone, admins included, support your block. You may want to take that into consideration. You’ve caused real damage to the project by driving off a productive editor and discouraging more. Mr Ernie (talk) 00:35, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Awkward, you might want to read the revision right before yours. I still hope someday to be a real admin, however. Judging from the thanks I've received privately, I've hit the nail on the head. SQL^{Query me!} 01:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

It's no big deal if it isn't unanimous. Consensus does not require unanimity. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:14, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Mr Ernie, you may not have seen it, but Huon does have support for the block. —DoRD (talk)​ 12:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I think you should read this [1], for your consideration. Some relevant parts because it's really long: So why isn't the editing community growing by leaps and bounds? ... It's because potential Wikipedians are extremely rare. The people who become people like us, for the most part, show up here and feel like they've come home. They feel like this is what they need to do with their lives ... The project will go on without any one of us - it may even go on better without some of us - but the community is, in a very real sense, irreplaceable ... Even the Wikipedians you can't stand, even the ones who you think we'd be better off without, are, overwhelmingly, people who believe so strongly in the mission of this project that they'd donate thousands of hours to it. I hope that you will take this to heart when considering escalating action against editors. starship.paint (talk) 02:52, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Oakridge International School Wiki Page : Remove the motto

Dear Huon,

Need your quick help. Can you please remove the motto of our school i.e. "Learning the Treasure Within". Now since we are part of Nord Anglia Education group, we really dont want this motto to be available on our website as well as any 3rd party listing. For now we can leave it blank until we have any further clarity on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Learnois (talk • contribs) 05:47, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Learnois: I have removed the motto; you may want to take a look at the school's "vision" as stated on its website; that still talks repeatedly of "the treasure within". On an entirely unrelated note, please review the disclosure requirements for paid editors. The Terms of Use require that anybody who edits Wikipedia as part of their job has to disclose employer, client (that would likely be the same, in your case) and other relevant affiliations. The easiest way to do that is to take a look at Template:Paid, to copy-paste the code given on the template page to your user page and to fill it out appropriately. Please note that this covers all edits to Wikipedia, including ones to my user talk page or the article talk page. Huon (talk) 07:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

"Don't even get me started on the biographical article where you apparently disliked the image so much that you replaced it by an image of someone else." Okay, that literally made me laugh out loud. Thanks for improving my afternoon. :) --Yamla (talk) 20:17, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Logo

Hey Huon, Hope you are well. Would you be able to add a logo to Lightricks? It's not something I'm good at. MaskedSinger (talk) 19:02, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: The image file for the logo on their website appears to be white-on-transparent which will be invisible on Wikipedia's standard white background. You'll need someone with better .svg editing skills than I have to get the background set to something dark. Huon (talk) 22:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@Huon: The logo on their Wikipedia page is on a dark background. Would that work? When it comes to images on Wikipedia I know nothing. MaskedSinger (talk) 04:11, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much

How nice of you to jump in on the Edgar Awards article and make my correction for me, after first telling me I was wrong. Thanks so much.

NicholasNotabene (talk) 01:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi huon i need your help with an article you framed a few years back

Please contact me soon L c jais (talk) 16:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@L c jais: It would help if you named the article (presumably Chaltabagan Durga Puja?) and explained what kind of help, specifically, you need. Huon (talk) 17:38, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes Huon you are very correct

If you could review the article and correct specific things with reference to the articles it would be great, just like you had done earlier. Thanks L c jais (talk) 08:46, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@L c jais: "Correct specific things"? What specific things need correction? And what articles would be the references? The article on the Durga puja hasn't changed much since I created it in 2014. Huon (talk) 12:18, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes edits happening

Attempts to change names specially name of committee and heads please do check edit history, can we stop these attempts ? L c jais (talk) 08:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@L c jais: The article seems rather close to the state I left it in. The only change regarding names seems to be a different transliteration of the same non-English name. The amount of possibly disruptive edits in the past five years has been rather low, and a technical attempt to prevent those edits would also prevent other good-faith editors from improving the page. Huon (talk) 15:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Their was an attempt

If you could see there were attempts to abuse the committee heads and on failing they actually changed the surname of one of the heads. It would be great if you could correct them and prevent them from further edits. Thanks L c jais (talk) 03:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@L c jais: Firstly, there is no need to start a new section for every new comment. You should find an "Edit" link next to the section header that you can use to reply within this section. Secondly, I saw the page history and what had happened, and unless I'm mistaken, pretty much all of it has been reverted already. Is there anything that actually needs correcting in the current version of the page? If so, what, specifically, is wrong? As I said, protecting the page against a repetition would prevent good-faith editors from improving the page, too; on balance, the disruption doesn't seem severe enough for such a step. Huon (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes I would like to get the first heads surname corrected, Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L c jais (talk • contribs) 22:39, September 23, 2019 (UTC)

@L c jais: I reverted the president's name's spelling. As I said above, I guess this is more of an issue of different transliterations of a Bengali name than an issue of outright error. Huon (talk) 03:34, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @Huon for the edits, however I dont feel it is translation of the bengali name as there have been several failed attempts to use abusive language recently if you check the edit history. Anyway thanks for you goodwork. Hoping that I wouldn't have to disturb you for the same again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L c jais (talk • contribs) 04:10, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Photo

Hey Huon, Didn't want to bother you about this but haven't been able to find anyone else to help me. Would you be able to add a picture of Zeev Farbman to his page? Thank you MaskedSinger (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: Do you have a specific photo in mind? I rather do not expect that I could immediately find a freely-licensed image of Farbman. Huon (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Houn: Thanks for getting back to me. No I don't. Was going to defer to your significantly better judgement :) MaskedSinger (talk) 20:03, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: As I expected freely licensed images of Farbman aren't easily found. Flickr also doesn't give anything useful. I can't upload an image that I can't find, sorry. Huon (talk) 20:29, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Houn: On the bottom of their site, it says Press Kit and that links to here. I'm guessing this is the one to use.MaskedSinger (talk) 03:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: I see no license information regarding their press kit; thus we have to presume that its content is "all rights reserved", ie non-free. We cannot make use of such photos of living persons. Huon (talk) 03:34, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@Houn: Thanks for trying! MaskedSinger (talk) 18:38, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!

	Thank you!
	Thanks for the advice about images! Ellencooper (talk) 20:56, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Unblock

I politely suggest you forgot to unblock TimmyTurnerTripFag. :) --Yamla (talk) 20:11, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Right, thanks for pointing it out. Done now. Huon (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2019 (UTC)