User talk:Ironholds/archive1

Crap

Crap —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myusernamedied (talk • contribs) 17:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

US intelligence and war criminals

If you're going to put an issues tag right at the front of an article, it would really be helpful if you'd detail your concerns on the talk page. I'm certainly open to constructive criticism, but I can't read your mind about what you dislike. The issues template is too general to give any specific guidance.

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 01:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, if you think you can improve the language, give it a try. I've found, however, in writing about intelligence-related matters, that precise language is necessary, or the average reader interprets fairly subtle issues in terms of the language of politicians and mainstream media. Note that there is a Wikilink to a definition of presentism, which I think is fair for the reader who doesn't know what is indeed academic jargon, but a useful term. The concept is important when 21st century morality is applied to people either just out of World War II or into the coldest of the cold war.

You might be interested in a problem that came up with respect to some other articles. I had given some national examples of where terrorism, and measures to prevent it, An unrelated article I was editing, counter-terror, had used, as an example along with several other countries, Sri Lanka as an example. One of the editors at the Sri Lanka project objected strenuously, for reasons that were not immediately apparent to me. Several exchanges on the project talk page indicated that we were, somehow, talking about different things.

Luckily, that Project has a very good culture of dispute resolution Before long, we realized that while I was using "terror" and "counter-terror" as specific military terms of art, the other editor was accustomed to hearing "terror" as a political and rhetorical, as in "Global War on Terror". That last is specifically relevant, since the other editor assumed that I was bringing the Sri Lanka civil war into the current US administration's definitions

With a little help, we realized we were using a word in two different ways, and, after several more increasingly pleasant encounters, both articles were improved, and I like to think I made some Wikifriends in the process. I really was surprised to find that quite a number of people believe "insurgency" is a Bush Administration term for the other side(s) in Iraq, and that "terrorism" was again only defined in the political context of the "Global War on Terror". I was able to clarify that while terrorism itself is harder to define, counterterror and antiterror have some fairly well-accepted meanings -- and there are at least some objective attempts to define terror.

You may or may not have noticed that the CIA topics are in a hierarchy, so that adequate discussion can be given to specific matters -- and one of the confusions here is some of the worst war criminals were given protection before the CIA even existed. There's also a hierarchy of articles starting with intelligence cycle management. Alternatively, look at User:Hcberkowitz, where you'll find an explanation and index of several politicomilitary/intelligence things I'm working on, with others. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 01:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, pointing to confusing things will help. I may or may not be able to fix them, but if I don't know they exist, I can't start. Apologies if I sounded discouraging.

Over time, I've learned that the article-wide tags often aren't very helpful. While it's a little hard to find in the documentation, the {{huh|month year}} tag, right after the words or sentences in question, is really useful -- it expands to "clarify", but it's obvious what needs to be clarified.

Incidentally, I just used a feature that I had to learn about: nowiki. If you look at the text above in the editor, not on the page, you'll see I surrounded the template with nowiki directives. These tell the page formatting software not to expand the tag between the directives, which is really necessary if you wan to tell someone about a tag or template~ Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 01:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

It would be inappropriate for me to remove the articleissues tag on material that I wroge, but I'd really appreciate your doing so unless you are going to make specific suggestions or edits. Increasingly, I'm finding that such tags, with no specifics as far as problems, make me reluctant to do anything more with the article. I was about to link CIA Activities in Japan to this, but I'm hesitant to do so with that blast at the front. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Unfortunately, the nature of intelligence writing tends to be dense, unless written for politicians. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 16:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Bagh (word)

The initial author, BehnamFarid, feels that it can be expanded into a full-blown article. I restored the article, but would refer you to him (and/or to the talk page of the article) to discuss whether he is correct about that. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

He hasn't changed his userpage to reflect it, but BehnamFarid has returned to editing Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Non Notable page 'Darragh Hurley'

I appreciate your concern with regard to the article you flagged (Darragh Hurley) but I assure you that everything in the article is true to fact and it is because of a lack of Wiki-experience on my part that it may not conform to your standards. If you feel the article lacks references I assure you it is only because many information sources do not exist thus preventing me from referencing them. If you feel the language used isn't of suitable quality then I must ask you to provide me with examples of suitable alternatives so that I can upgrade the article and ensure that I satisfy the set standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrshovels (talk • contribs) 10:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability

With all due respect, at one point you could've Googled Wayne Rooney and other renowned English Premier League Soccer players and you could've seen their Bebo page listings. I hardly think Google is the fairest method to determine notability and it certainly isn't Wikipedia's. I have updated the article with what I believe are more in depth references and I believe these should suffice. However I will make it my business to edit the other areas you mentioned as I also believe these are unnecessary. Thank you for your help. --MrShovels (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability

I understand the point you present and I am in no way attempting to create barriers of any sort (but I was in fact referring to a point in time where one could actually see CURRENT famous footballers listings on Bebo/Facebook etc. - which I believe is still the case with some current Premier League players). But I duely note your concerns and will again do my bit to maintain respectable Wikipedia standards. Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrshovels (talk • contribs) 11:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Kamina (Gurren Lagann)

You will see the way i did it, with a redirect to the section. Doesn't take being an administrator. But this method is only the appropriate one in a case like this where the subpage is an exact copy-- or when the material on the main page is more extensive than the material on the subpage. Otherwise, the way to do it is to propose a merge, according to WP:MERGE and wait for discussion. thanks for noticing it. DGG (talk) 00:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

pllease dont misunderstand--I'n not saying you did anything wrong, just sowing you a better way. DGG (talk) 02:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Undid Edits by User:172.200.61.229

I undid what appeared to be a malicious edit by User:172.200.61.229. Sorry if you did that edit yourself, just trying to lend a hand to a fellow Wikipedian.Jsmith86 (talk) 01:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Accusations of Sockpuppetry

Ironholds please see my response to your accusation of Sockpuppetry in Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Simon Bar Sinister. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 03:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I have closed the case here, and question whether it should even have been opened in the first place. _GB^T/C 12:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

One Canada Square

Why did you revert it.

It is a reference tidy up.

Check again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.200.139.1 (talk) 11:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you deliberately provoke people? A claim of vandalism is serious, please only use it if you are absolutely sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.200.139.1 (talk) 13:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that you have contributed very little to Wikipedia. Most of your activities seem to be reverting articles. Do you have no creativity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.200.139.1 (talk) 13:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Falsely identified vandalism on Kayode Odejayi

look carefully at the revisions before you use TW and claim vandalism.

i reverted to a revision, which means that i was NOT the one who wrote it. if i would be you, i would look at the contribs of the one who actually put this in there. it might be that i didn't catch every vandalism sentence, but this does NOT mean that i am the one who vandalizes here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.233.80.60 (talk) 11:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

yep, i admit that i didn't catch the last vandalized sentence, but my original intention was to revert to a UNvandalized version. well, next time we both should look more carefully at what we do ;-). peace.

i once was a full member of wiki, now i'm waiting for a buerocrat to re-enable my old account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.233.80.60 (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

a'right, i'll let ya' know when it's re-enabled. btw: i WANTED wiki to disable my account (private issues...). now, that this is cleared up, i'm planing to stay at wiki for good this time. so, see ya' around next time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.233.80.60 (talk) 12:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Problem with your Twinkle edit

Hi, this edit deleted the interwiki links and other content from the article Battle of Karbala. Is there something wrong with the tool that you used? My bot re-added the interwiki links, but the article is still broken and should be fixed. --Silvonen (talk) 08:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I dont think theres anything wrong with twinkle. have you checked to see if the links were in the restored version? when i click on the actual version of the link you sent rather than the edit difference it appears fine. Ironholds (talk) 14:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did compare the revisions. Your edit summary says “Reverted 2 edits by 59.164.40.198 identified as vandalism to last revision by AlphaEta”, but if you compare your revision to AlphaEta’s revision [1], you can see that they are not identical: your edit chopped away much of the article. Another Twinkle user had a similar problem earlier this month, so I think it is a bug in the tool. --Silvonen (talk) 15:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I had a look at the bug list of Twitter. The tool has plenty of open problems, so you have to be careful with it. --Silvonen (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the article, but please keep in mind that it is the tool user's responsibility to undo any damage caused by the tool. The corruption was probably caused by Twinkle bug 13. If you want to keep using Twinkle, I suggest that you double-check your edits manually. --Silvonen (talk) 11:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Berkeley Levett

Hello, just letting you know that I've substantially rewritten the Levett piece. I hope that addresses your concerns. Thanks for pointing it out. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Let me mull it over a few days and then I'll have another go at it. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I have reworked the Berkeley Levett piece some more and will continue (as I do with everything I post to wikipedia) to polish it. Because I formerly wrote for a magazine, that sometimes influences the way I approach things. I try to give my pieces a certain 'zing' that will keep a reader interested. But I will continue to tinker with it over time.Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 04:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Christoph Walton

Hi Iron,

By the time I received your message about the speedy deletion of Christoph Walton, it had already been deleted. I don't recall my connection to that article. Would you mind reminding me of what my contribution was? I just want to make sure there isn't any reason that I should care that it no longer exists.

Neelix (talk) 22:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

RE:Christian Grahn

Whilst it may be a short stub it is still easy to see the context, he is a drummer for The Hives, that is clear. Therefore there is context. Just because it is a short stub is not a reason for speedy deletion, nor a valid prod. If you think it should be merged with the Hives article, then tag it and discuss it. As it is/was, it does not meet any of the speedy deletion criteria in my opinion. Woody (talk) 08:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Reconstruction Finance Corporation

Howdy! Thanks for the message. It's strange that I would have put the category there because those kinds of categories annoy me...so I would hate to think that I added something to it. If I did indeed add anything to it, then I appreciate your fixing it. Paul (talk) 21:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

s'right

Thanks Dlohcierekim 16:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

RfA

What is the name? Cheers, Dlohcierekim 00:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Left message. Was never trancluded, so never really considered by community. Should probably just be deleted so user can have a fresh start if desires future RfA. Thanks again. Will follow up. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 00:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA advice

Coaching help can be found @ Wikipedia:Admin coaching. You will gain benefit from reading.

• Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship
• WP:Admin
• the admin reading list.
• Generally, It has been my experience that it takes at least 3,000 edits in a variety of areas to learn policy and guidelines well enough to attempt adminship. Nominees need to show the ability to contribute a number of significant edits to build the encyclopedia.
• The Admin tools allow the user to block and unblock other editors, delete and undelete pages and protect and unprotect pages. Nominees will therefore do well to gain experience and familiarity with such areas as WP:AIV, WP:AFD, WP:CSD, Wikipedia:Protection policy, and WP:BLOCK to learn when to do these things.
• Adminship inevitably leads one to 1) need to explain clearly the reasons for one's decisions, 2) need to review one's decisions and change one's mind when it is reasonable to do so, 3) need to review one's decisions and stand firm when it is reasonable to do so, 4) need to negotiate a compromise. Admins need a familiarity with dispute resolution. The ability to communicate clearly is essential.
• Article building is viewed by many as essential to adminship. I recommend significant participation in WP:GA or WP:FA as the surest way to fulfill this. Alternatively, one should have added a total of 30,000 bytes of content, not necessarily all in one article. I find a large number of "Wikignome" type edits to be acceptable.
• I recommend taking part in RfA discussions to help learn from the experiences of others. Many nominees have found it helpful to obtain an Editor Review or to receive Admin coaching before submitting their RfA. Good luck and happy editing. Dlohcierekim 00:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Category links

the best way to remove pages from categories where someone has accidentally included a page in a category, is to precede category with a colon, ie [[:category:Conductors]] is rendered as category:conductors, creating a link to the category, but will not include your talkpage in the category. David Underdown (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Still looking for adoption? I offer my services. --WLU (talk) 23:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

You've about 1.6K worth of edits, and my brief review tells me that you seem to know what you're doing so far. My usual suggestions are read this and install a tool like WP:POPUPS, but you've already done so I think! I usually respond better to specific questions, so feel free to ask me about any edits you are not sure on or would like a comment. Are you aware of Diberri, the google wikification tool and citation templates? WLU (talk) 10:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Diberri wrote Diberry, I'm surprised there's not a link on his talk page. Here's standard paste I give editors who seem to do a lot of reference digging and adding:

• Citation templates
• Google scholar autocitation, a google-style search engine and reference generator. Useful when the article doesn't have a pubmed number (old, social sciences or humanities) but the citation template isn't as neat and it does not fill in ISBN or pubmed numbers
• ISBN searchable database, used in conjunction with Diberry to find, and generate citation templates
• pubmed/isbn Diberry's template generator, incredibly useful, uses the [www.pubmed.org pubmed] number or isbn to automatically generate a citation template for you; the most useful if you have a pubemd or ISBN

The ISBN finder is only really useful for plugging into diberri's template generator, and it's slightly easier than digging through amazon. The nice thing about diberri is the templates are flawless, there's no typos, and it's generally quite easy. It's best when there's a pubmed number, and pubmed is most useful for medical journal articles and abstracts on medical conditions, less useful for mental illness, and pretty much useless for much else :)

From what I've seen, the google autocitation uses google scholar to generate the template; that being said, I've had good success using google scholar lately to find articles. It really depends on what sort of articles you are expanding with sources - medical (i.e. WP:MEDRS) and high reliability-requiring pages, these are killer. Less reliable (pop culture, celebrities, fiction) and you're better off with google, but the use of a citation template (specifically {{cite web}}) is nice, but not mandatory. WLU (talk) 00:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Adoption offer

If you are still interested, I would be more than happy to adopt you. Please respond on my talk page. Cheers mate! Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 02:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

American Board of Thoracic Surgery

I thought the idea of posting a notice was to give the editor time to respond? Am I wrong on this, if so, forget about giving notice to an editor when you have already decided to delete the bloody article.

My opinion is that this is one of the more stupid reasons to delete an article. The easy solution is to rewrite the stupid article. One of those DUH moments for me, but I guess I am a little simple. Can you bring the article back and allow me to rewrite it since you acted hastily? Or will it be necessary to start from scratch?--Storm Rider ^(talk) 05:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The Plague

If you think the article is written in a personal style, you're going to have provide examples of what you are not happy with on the discussion page so I can remedy them, as things stand I cannot see that the style is personal from reading the general notes on the style page. apprentice_punk (talk) 07:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Pure Reason Revolution

Sorry about reverting your label edit. It was a complete mistake. SorryPassinboy (talk) 21:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I also was there. At LEAST 40 per cent of the overall sound was on a backing track, including drums (or beats), samples, violin, guitar, voice and bassline. much of it taken fom the "Dark Third" backing tracks, and eminently recognisable as being the work of Jong and Dobson. You do need a trained ear to pick this up. By not acknowledging these addition the performers are taking the credit for their production. Call it plagiarising if you like. I prefer to call it cheating. Passinboy (talk) 23:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

In that case, why are you reverting my edits? Fact: backing tracks created by others were used. Fact: No credit was given. Well, was it?. Was anything said. Don't go into PRS issues with me as this will simply open a bigger deal. Deal just in facts, and stop reverting them. In other words, stop trying to be a smart arsePassinboy (talk) 21:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

New Pages

Hello to you as well. I'm doing fine for now, but will let you know if I need any help in the future. I certainly wish the higher-ups would consider more restrictions on new users who want to create new articles. Oore (talk) 01:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed the speedy deletion template from PlaceSpotting because the author has shown some media coverage after I had listed the page for deletion. You may want to consider AfD for that page if you still think it should deleted. Oore (talk) 21:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:MINOR

Hello Ironholds. I think you might have turned on a flag that marks all your edits as 'Minor.' This should not always be on. For instance, tagging an article for speedy deletion is not a minor edit! See WP:MINOR for the definition. Otherwise, keep up the good work! EdJohnston (talk) 02:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

We rock your sock

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY did you delete my page Dies in 32012???????????????????????/????///???/?/???????/?/?/?//?/??/?

Sory Man could you untagg it cause it is important to us and no one will care anyways

Bite me, you won't find it now

Bring waht, you aren't any were near me, your on your computer in some random place i could probably no were you were if i cared toi look at you hompage which I will do right now

I think that you are not being niice to me so i will tell you to say 42 two times so you can understand what i mean. i am immortal and that does not mean that i dont die. it means that when i die i come back to life. i need that page to remember when we die for the last time. by then i will forgett that is 30004 years from now and yaah. besides you will die in eventually anyways, unless if you follow our ways and say that you are immortal also. so please this means alot to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myusernamedied (talk • contribs) 22:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

sorry "i" "forgot" to "tell" "you" that "we" were "insaine"

p.s. do you still think we are the coolioest? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myusernamedied (talk • contribs) 22:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC) too bad Myusernamedied (talk) 22:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC) dont nuke us

Andrew Dawson article

Hi Ironholds, you recently speedily deleted the above article and left a message on my talk page about. I can't recall that article and could not find a reference to it in my contribution list. Are you sure it was me who created it? Diverman (talk) 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I think I know what happened. I probably made a redirect from Andrew Dawson to Anderson Dawson a little while ago. Someone else has likely edited the Andrew Dawson article to refer to some non-notable person, then it's been tagged as speedy-delete. I re-created the redirect to the notable person. It seems when an article you have worked on is deleted, it does not appear in your Contributions list anymore, which can make it hard to find out what's going on. – Diverman (talk) 12:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Havuroth

Yeah thats fine. I'm sorry I didn't research it enough. Thanks for the tip--Esprit de corps (talk) 18:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Article looks good, you are a gentleman and a scholar.--Esprit de corps (talk) 19:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Userboxes

Regarding my userbox regarding both American system and metric system units, the American version is in regards to United States customary units. An English unit is from Great Britain which I do not use. This is why the userbox I created and a userbox with English units (Britain) are different measurements. Thank you for concern though. I thought I had made this clear when I created this userbox nearly two years ago. Chris (talk) 22:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Dearne Valley College

I've removed the tag. No rewrite is needed any longer, it seems fine. Maybe splitting into sections would be an idea though...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 10:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:The Ark Angell, redirects

Sorry about all the redirects, it wont happen again. The Ark Angell (talk) 10:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Nicola de Main

I went ahead and deleted the article. Thanks for the heads up. Useight (talk) 21:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

P.S. - Just out of curiosity, how did you come across me and the fact that I was online? Which resource did you use? Useight (talk) 21:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I figured it was probably after doing some detective work like that. You'll probably be interested to know that I recently started a new project in hopes of eventually eliminating the need to do that work. It can be found at WP:HAU. It's not just admins, but any highly active user, but the names of admins are in bold so they can be easily contacted if needed. Right now, there's just checkmarks that indicate when a user is usually online, we eventually want to get a bot to update whether the users listed are actually online or not, but it can give you a good idea of who is very likely to be online. Useight (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I think bots are programmed in PHP, but I don't know. I've done only little programming myself, in Java, C++, and Visual Basic, but nothing that could do what a bot needs to do in this case. I did most of the work to get this project set up and have been the main contact guy regarding it, however I can't do the bot. Useight (talk) 21:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If anybody can do it, it's User:Cobi. He's an amazing coder and can probably whip it up in a few minutes. I'm just not sure of any red tape (like getting the bot proposal passed or something) that has to go down first. I'm just not familiar with the realm of bots at all. If a new bot has to be created from scratch, then I think it'll have to get approved, but perhaps there's already a bot out there that can be used. Useight (talk) 21:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Rubashkin

Twinkle never made this AfD for you. I'll fix it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Your note

Sorry, where are you reading from? The biography on the left hand side? It doesn't mention any of the stuff in the article. Are you sure you got the right link? Best, PeterSymonds | talk 23:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the "more" link. I see the copyvio now. Apologies, PeterSymonds | talk 23:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Mammothtuna

This article was speedily deleted, not deleted via AFD, so your speedy deletion nomination as a re-created article is inappropriate. I will remove it, then re-delete the article as lacking a claim of notability under CSD A7. Thanks! Edison (talk) 04:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Before I got done explaining what I was going to do, someone else had deleted the spammy article. Oh well. At least it is gone. Edison (talk) 04:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Indenting at AfD

Remember to use *, not #! Have a nice day. :) asenine ^{say what?} 05:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

If you're reading this, it's too late

Hello, Just saying, i'm going to add a lot more to this page, i havent finished it yet. Please don't delete this page just yet. ThankyouBKs Rok! (talk) 06:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Lachlan Myles Tom

He is just a friend of mine who wanted to make a wikipage on himself. The redirecting was so that he would come up in a normal search rather than just a wiki user search. Lord Bob was just my practice run. The Ark Angell (talk) 08:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ironholds

The article is not that short... check it out again... or be more specific... answer asap... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucian 4 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hit convoy ambush

Now wait just a minute. What the hell are you talking about? You saying the article is nonsense? This ambush happened in 2005, well before the war reached a toll of daily 100 bodies poping up. It was notable at the time. Maybe not to you but then it was. Especialy in Japan and it did lead to much debate on Japanese policy of troops going abroad because of the capture of the contractor. Also, yes there are always reports of convoys being attacked but this was one of a few rare cases that all of the people in the convoy were killed. Usualy only 5-10 people at most are killed in regular attacks. Also your arguments that it be deleated are not valid enough for it to be actualy deleated. (Top Gun)

Listen there is at least a half a dozen articles on battles during the Vietnam war that were only platoon size battles which were like this one. And many people didn't even hear of them among the 50 or so battles fought per week then. But still those articles exist and are listed in the Vietnam war campaignbox.(Top Gun)

Moot? The message was intended towards all users on the talk page of the article. And also towards you on your talk page so that you don't miss it. Also, yes there were 17 people in the convoy, but can you say that the insurgent unit was not platoon-size. So far, most U.S. military reports say that almost every time an insurgent attack on this scale is carried out there is always from 20-40 or 50-70 insurgents. I think that is actualy more than one platoon. Also, so what if the PMC are not regular military, neither are the insurgents. But the PMC has the word military in their title. C'mon man don't kid yourself they are just ordinary mercenaries. They just have better publicity and the big bucks.(Top Gun)

Pinky beecroft and the white russians

Hiya. Re your note in the AfD debate on this - you don't need admin rights to see previous deletes. If you go to the history page for the article, in the top left corner, just under the 'Revision history of xxxxx' and Wikipedia notice, you'll see a 'View logs for this page' - click on that and you can see the previous deletes. Alternatively, on the AfD proposal, if you look on the line just under the article title, you can see edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs... - the 'logs' link does the same thing. Hope this helps, and good luck with the exams  !! :-) CultureDrone (talk) 12:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem - as regards the uncat work, I guess that's two of us doing it then :-) That would explain why the count of articles could drop to under 4000, and then zoom up to 5500 overnight - aarrggh ! CultureDrone (talk) 12:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The Friction

"...But they're world-famous all over Shanghai!" --Orange Mike | Talk 17:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

ketocal

hi sorry new on wikipedia and not sure how to talk to you about this. i dont understand why it is being deleted. the content is ours (shs internationals) and it is fact and not a sales pitch. please explain. thanks in advance —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nublue (talk • contribs) 10:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

hi thanks for your response. please could you explain the area which is deemed bias. the content is fact based on how to use the product for medical purposes. we based it on another product page eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvic_%28mineral_water%29 thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nublue (talk • contribs) 10:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion we will do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nublue (talk • contribs) 11:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

french toast day

A tag has been placed on French toast day, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Ironholds (talk) 11:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The Article was deleted, the given Accusation dint match with the Article, please Point out what was the "Gibberish" you were talking about?

Please Dont Just Close Articles because you never hard of them.

re Satnami

I notice that you have placed CSD-nonsense tag on this article, while this criterion does not include poor writing, vandalism, material not in English, badly translated material, hoaxes, etc.. I was thinking of PRODding it. This article already exists in a fuller form at Satnam, which is a Sikh (religion) term. THanks. Prashanthns (talk) 22:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Ironholds. You have new messages at Prashanthns's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Pure Reason Revolution

Is it necessarily correct to label edits that merely contain unsourced material as "vandalism"? Surely just deletion under verifiability guidelines is sufficient. Or even, where the material seems credible, as in this case, it could be kept with a citation needed marker? The repeated immediate deletion of the same (reasonable) material from several different editors seems a bit unnecessary, as does calling it vandalism.Thedarkfourth (talk) 16:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

• Cheers. Actually the release has just been officially announced by nearfest. I've added a reference so everything should be fine.Thedarkfourth (talk) 15:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

No, thank you for putting in the effort for creating them in the first place! Nice work!Thedarkfourth (talk) 17:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I'm a big fan. Can't make the Barfly sadly, I'm away...Thanks for the info about the equipment. If you're interested in discussing this stuff, there's a reasonably good forum at prrambassadors.proboards41.comThedarkfourth (talk) 20:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe sound has always been a bit of a problem for them, though personally I like their live performances very much. The Water Rats apparently is always too loud and not very well mixed, but actually if you listen to the bootleg it sounds surprisingly good. I was at the front, where the sound was possibly at its best, and the push of the crowd wasn't nearly as bad as at the back. I had a great night actually...Thedarkfourth (talk) 12:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I was over in front of Jamie on the left. We put signs saying "Bullits Dominae" on all their equipment in a futile attempt to get them to play it for once...Thedarkfourth (talk) 19:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was with some other fans, one of whom had been to 18 other PRR gigs before...(!) She knows all the band members pretty well. I managed to have a chat with some of them afterwards, but I don't actually know them personally.Thedarkfourth (talk) 19:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I know, I still haven't got hold of Golden Clothes...although I have heard it live before. How good was Deus Ex Machina?!Thedarkfourth (talk) 13:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Well you can find a link somewhere in the bootlegs folder of the forum...you may need to become a member first though. I daren't post a bootleg publicly here on wikipedia...Thedarkfourth (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

User talk:The Speaker's House

Please be careful not to bite the newbies. Cheers Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 18:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Quench (band) / ICC

I would consider ICC an "independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable". There is a list of their albums here and their webpage is here. I think it would be hard to argue that they are not a notable label unlike all the garage labels that are popping up. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 19:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

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Yes,they are.Junkmail!..! —Preceding comment was added at 22:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

PART II

No,Ive already edited about 500 articles. im just starting my userpage cos some people wanna go there [I didnt have a userpage for 1 month]ROGUE! —Preceding comment was added at 22:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok fine

Ok,fine I will do that but in two conditions.

1:Do not use the word crap on my or any other page.

2:Please do not report me.Please.Although I am not a vandal.

Thankyou.ROGUE!

Joe Clark Consortium?

I think something fishy is going on. There appears to be Joe Clark (boxer) and Joe clark (boxer) created by two separate accounts one of which as the contents of Joe Clark (boxer) on his user talk page in full. Jasynnash2 (talk) 13:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Retisonic

Once more and I salt. ;-) - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Admin?

I'm not sure that there is a specific training for adminship; you generally pick up the skills and experience by sticking out a significant period of time, maintaining good editing habits, tagging, and appropriate conduct with other users. IF you'd like to ask an administrator for that specific sort of coaching, I'd ask around. I wouldn't be really good for that, I'm afraid, as I have limited time and availability here. You can always ask me questions related to procedure, and I'll try to answer to the best of my ability. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Dready

Hello, Ironholds. Thanks for keeping an eye out on article quality. I'm dropping you a note to let you know that I have removed the speedy deletion template that you placed on Dready because the article does not seem to fit the speedy deletion criterion. WP:CSD#A1 is specifically for articles that lack clear definition of the subject. In this case, though there may be notability concerns, the subject is discernible. Please consider other means for addressing ongoing concerns. Feel free to let me know at my talk page if you'd like to discuss this further. Thanks. Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD noms

Yeah, I've picked up on that. I haven't nominated too many until recently. Sometimes it works, sometimes it goofs. Thanks for the heads up though. Cheers. TN‑X-Man 15:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism Notice

Hello. I think there may have been some confusion with your notice due to the strange content I placed on the user's user page. What I placed there was an exact copy of what he had created an article with. I userfied it for him and encouraged him to work on it there to get it coherent. I think it's apparent from my edits that I don't go around vandalizing user pages. Beach drifter (talk) 00:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem man, thanks for the quick reply! Beach drifter (talk) 00:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

User:StrongSauce21

That's a good idea. It's not so much that he's annoying me as that he's devaluing the project with misinformation. I guess it is true that should annoy all editors and readers, though. Erechtheus (talk) 00:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Quite true. Erechtheus (talk) 00:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Jagdish Shukla

The tag has been in place for less than 2 hours. It needs 5 days for deletion. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:John C. Murray

I don't think this: "He's just a research fellow, and not a particularly notable one at that. I find few or no links about him, and would like to point out anyone going to hertfordshire and sunderland is unlikely to be a great mind of the century anyway." is a particularly civil thing to say. Particularly if, as you say on your userpage, you'd like to be an admin. Mallanox 19:28, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right, it is a matter of opinion. I thought it was rude, probably others would too. Just because something is true doesn't mean it should be said. Mallanox 19:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Leaching (chemical science)

• First, I just left a comment on the talk page there. Sorry for not getting it up right away.

• Second, if you read the text for your template: {{dated prod}}

It states that if I object to the deletion that I should remove it. And then it also says: "If this template is removed, it should not be replaced." Please play by the rules.

• Thirdly, please don't treat me as though I'm just another vandal trolling around here by throwing canned warnings at me. If you check my contributions, I've been around the block. Please see: Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars.

Thanks! --Wizard191 (talk) 14:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion notification

Hello Ironholds! After tagging an article for speedy deletion, please add a notification on the talk page of the user that created the article. For example, Chelation Therapy for Autism has been created by User:Sewellal, and {{subst:nn-warn-reason|Chelation Therapy for Autism|header=1}} ~~~~ should be added to his talk page. You can copy and paste it directly from the template on the article to the talk page. Iunaw]] 00:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

OK

ok sorry i might not know what im doing yet so i have a couple of questions.
1. How do you get all those things on your page? 2. Are you an administrator? 3. Can you help me? i don't really understand this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colorado avalanche (talk • contribs) 00:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

New User Questions

What format/How should one use to cite a fact in the article to one of the references? Any help on the subject is greatly appreciated. Timeline191 (talk) 03:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Qj67

Thanks for the message. Pretty much the same - deleted accordingly. _GB^T/C 18:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Sorry!

Just looked through my watchlist and found your contributions; sorry you had to clear up after me! i've never really added images before, i'm just quite enthusiastic about that particular band. With this combined with what i can see of your previous edits:

No problem, and thanks for the star. In the future just remember to copy the article name exactly and not to put the brackets around it, the template is extraordinarily choosy about little things like that. Melesse (talk) 03:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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OK, I'll move it to ru section Thanks Sasha Gold (talk) 19:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Quick question

Sorry to keep bugging you, but you seem like a nice editor :). I'm thinking of making a proposal regarding featured articles, basically suggesting that policy is that they be made semi-protected for the day they're main page news, as from my rv'ing experience i know they get vandalised basically constantly for that 24 hours period. Do you know where i'd post this, if it's likely to be accepted...? i appreciate i'm a new-ish user and i dont know if they'd be willing to listen. Ironholds 21:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, that's a fair enough suggestion since they do protect images on the front page, but I don't know about where you'd propose that so it could be discussed at length. I suppose try the Administrators' noticeboard, you could even join the discussion that someone else has started. Melesse (talk) 02:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

UAA

Please remember that WP:UAA is only for clear and blatant violations of the user name policy. This means that promotional user names which exactly match that of a company need to at least have a external link or some other note that explains how they violate the policy exactly. It is also the usual practice to wait for such promotional names that are not immediately obvious violations (i.e. unless it's User:Nike Inc.) to make some edits that might illuminate their purpose on Wikipedia. For most of the recent entries you made at UAA, the first course of action if they match a company or product is to discuss it and ask for a rename before bringing it to admin attention. Thanks, VanTucky 02:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Sasha Gold

O, you are absolutely right! Can you please explain, how can I delete my post? With thanks, Sasha Gold (talk) 11:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Free advice

Hey, if someone removes a speedy deletion tag from an article and adds a hangon tag, I wouldn't bother reverting. The "hangon" tag still places the page in a speedy deletion category, so it will be looked at by an admin. Cheers! J.delanoy^gabs_adds 18:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I'ts no problem when you revert them, I just wanted to let you know it's probably not worth wasting your time doing it. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 19:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

New page Patrol

Hi, after patrolling new pages please remember to click the "mark page as patrolled" link in the corner. Thanks --Bit Lordy (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

That's cute.

Let's review. I submitted quality information for a television show I watch everyday. Immediately deleted by a member asking for a source. Well, I since I couldn't seem to find a source, I thought it would be fair game to delete the parts of the article with no source. Seems fair. There was only was only 1 source for the big huge article and it referenced a fictional characters brother. Maybe I'm just a little too "logical" when it comes to the way things apply. I stand by what I said, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capitalist Shrugged (talk • contribs) 19:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasha Gold (talk • contribs) 20:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem

Not a problem, I like smacking down vandals. Your debate over whether vandalizing a vandalism counter should be added to the counter is meta, so meta it hurts :P WLU (talk) 22:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Bunnime123 (talk) 20:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL! you don't fail... did you read the discussion thingummy on my page after I wrote "You fail"? You'd get it if you did. Sorry for the misscommunicationismness.

Editor Review

You are welcome. As for promotional userpages... I never quite figured out what to do. A couple times I came across them when looking thru C:CSD. Personally, I speedied them, but it is not quite right. WP:PROD can also be used if you don't want to go thru MfD. I know it takes longer, but we are not in a hurry and Wikipedia is work in progress.

For full disclosure, I came across you because of your edits to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 May 26. I am not sure why you removed two AfDs, but generally closed debates are not removed - they are left in the log for the archives. Renata (talk) 07:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

... by removing closed entries from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old/Open AfDs. Usually Mathbot does that every few hours, so there is no need to worry much. Renata (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Image

Hi Ironholds, thanks for the comment. I would be reluctant to delete a user's upload until they have been indefinitely blocked. At the moment they have a three-day block, and if it's extended (either through sockpuppeteering or vandalism) then the subpages/images can be deleted. But the image is currently not vandalism, and that's why I declined it. Hope that helps! :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 22:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm really sorry, I completely missed your message. Images that are vandalism/nonsense can be tagged as such, in the same way that articles are tagged (just with I# instead of A#). There is a general criteria for CSD, so vandalism can be tagged per WP:CSD#G3, and images of an indefinitely blocked user is tricky. WP:CSD#G5 could apply if it was in violation of their ban, but unless it's obviously a bad-faith upload (with a free license), WP:IFD could be the best place to go. I don't think there are any strict provisions in place about images from an indefinitely blocked user, so at least at IfD you're safe rather than sorry. Hope this helps, and thanks for the accessibility comment. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Done with it.

WHat makes you think I know what a abc dec or csd or afd or bge or whatever nonsense you keep spouting. None the less you nominated something to be deleted. You had no right to just cause you think it looks like an essay, you haven't given me one bit of advice how to change that. So don't stand up on your high horse and say you've offered me all kinds of advice how to change it what you havn't done didly shit. I'm done with trying to do anything on this site. So you can take a flying leap through a rolling donut.

Funny that

Instead you've acted like a five year old, blanking pages you dont approve of, -----funny that, seems to be what you've done. I've made mention about the blue boxes appearing on my page several times. Have you offered any advice on that, I'm trying to fix those problems before I work on the article more so it can look like an article. But no, you can't grasp that. You haven't offered any helpful advice. I've looked at some other pages and I can't get it figured out. Why don't you quit saying how you helped me but I refused it and help me with what I've asked about a half a dozen times. That more then anything would be a big help, that's one of the reasons i'm so pissed off cause you keep ignoring what i'm trying to say. There's also no contents box, i've mentioned that a couple times as well. But you wanna throw non helpful material at me. I'd be more then happy to work with you and work on trying to do things better on here if you weren't stuck on the idea that you've given me God sent advice. Constitutional congress (talk) 02:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I've went through and deleted all my old useless posts as they were taking up too much space, I've only deleted mine and no one elses. If you don't like that you can revert it. But I figured you don't need my comments taking up your space. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constitutional congress (talk • contribs) 02:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Humanbeings Scribble wiki

This page is currently under development and you slapped a deletion tag on it why? WarVeteran1939to1945 (talk) 10:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I feel that as i am currently developing the article then it is unfair. I wouldnt mind you putting an AFD tag on it but not a speedy delete tag. As this will instantly get deleted and that is not fair to a 93 year old man is it? WarVeteran1939to1945 (talk) 10:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

offer to adopt

Hi You offered to adopt me - which I happily accept (though not sure what/if I have to do now). Many thanks Steve Steveepa (talk) 18:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Editor Review

Thanks for your review, I appreciate you taking the time to comment. I will use your feedback to better improve my current contributions. Have a cookie Prom3th3an (talk) 22:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Stop making fun of me

think your funny? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglas1690 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Juan Garcia-Herreros Article

{{hangon}} !!!

Please do not delete this article.... I am the artist himself writing to you directly and the Biographical Data from eden Electronics I submitted personally to them and it is one hundred percent my creation. Please tell me what you need from me to prove this.

Looking forward to your reply Juan Garcia-Herreros