User talk:Luna Santin/Archive 4

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9 warnings later

9 warnings later clearly the IP doesn't take the warnings seriously because within a half hour the page is now getting hit with those same edits from multi-user anon. IP. Arbusto 23:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Luna, I'm very busy right now, so if you want to try to deal with the user in question, feel free. Hopefully the user will be willing to talk now. JoshuaZ 01:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!

Hi, Luna Santin! Thanks a lot for removing the vandalism from my userpage. You are great. --EstebanF 00:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Article on Biostudentgirl

The article on Biostudentgirl contains References/External Links (reliable sources) that are legit and can be used as citations for the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexHiggins (talkcontribs) 5 October 2006.

Still interested in your opinion

The discussion was archived over at Intelligent Design but I offered the following and wanted your opinion on it.

Ive offered the following as meeting WP:V and WP:RS in regards to the sentence in dispute at the Intelligent Design article, "All leading proponents of Intelligent Design are affiliated with the Discovery Institute." The San Francisco Chronicle, August 28 2005 calls Norris Gravlox, "a leading proponent of the intelligent design theory" the Tribeca Film Festival calls Jack Cashill, "a leading proponent of intelligent design." The Orlando Weekly from September 1st 2005 calls Mat Staver, "leading proponent of teaching intelligent design in public schools" and on May 26, 2006, the Legal Times calls John Umana, "a leading proponent of intelligent design" establishing WP:V and WP:RS.Bagginator 05:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem Luna, Wikipedia will be here for years to come, there is no rush :). I plan to offer up an RfC, probably late this week or early next week. Perhaps you will have time then.Bagginator 05:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

sorry I removed you page, it was not on purpose

my user page

Thanks for fixing it. DesertSky85451 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Gee, I'm popular.

It's so reassuring to see that I'm really ticking off vandals when the mouth-breathing idiots start in on my user name. It's a badge of honor! Thanks for watching my back. - Lucky 6.9 06:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Chomsky vandalized!!!!!

I just reverted it back to where you had last left it. I will trust your judgement, for now. I will review the page.--Friendlymat 17:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sienna Miller

Hi, I noticed that you check the admin noticeboard for vandalism. You've also recently reverted some vandalism on the Sienna Miller article. I went to the admin noticeboard to see if I could get some help reverting the article but I don't have just one IP or user name to report. So, I'm not sure how to get assistance with this. Would I still leave a notice there? Dismas|(talk) 19:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I guess. I see that you've protected it. Dismas|(talk) 19:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the comment. I had forgotten about WP:RFP. Thanks for the reminder. Dismas|(talk) 19:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


Thank you so much for reverting my userpage! Mar de Sin Talk to me! 19:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

....for indefinitely blocking an account that has only been used for time-wasting vandalism. (User talk:Smartone4sega) KP Botany 00:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Foe Pa now notable?

Foe Pa has been edited. The group just started what is probably the first streaming live web-show using IM and message boards allowing the audience to interact with the show in real time at I hope this warrants keeping the entry.

CoreyBlake 01:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Keystroke logging

Since there's been a spate of external-link -related wrangling, I've proposed (and implemented) a solution that I think solves the problem, linking to a page with reviews of lots of keylogging packages rather than the freeforall that existed previously; unfortunately, User:Cheesyd has already started putting commercial links back - since you've been involved in the past, do you want to take a look at the talk page under the October 2006 heading and see what you think of my solution? I fear otherwise without concensus this is going to turn into another revert war. njan 20:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much

Thank you so much for lifting the Autoblock. It's been a real pain. I'll make sure to take off the 'save password' feature. Thank you again. Infolithium 21:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's working right now. If it persists, I'll get in touch with those concerned. Thanks for unblocking me, three times. Oy. Infolithium 21:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Wishing you well, Infolithium.

Why delete ET Pro?

All I could see on the ET Pro article was that you had deleted it under the notability criteria. I can't help but think this is an unjustified deletion, given that I have no connection to the makers of ET Pro and was curious to know what it's all about. For the game Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, ET Pro is the standard competition mod, and I wanted to know exactly what the differences between it and other mods are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tspike (talkcontribs) 8 October 2006.


Thanks for reverting my talkpage Bryan 19:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on the Divorce page!

To everybody else reading this: it's a good idea to drop a thank-you note every now and then. If you'd like to know why, visit RickK'S page and see why he isn't helping anymore. --God's Webmaster 20:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for being helpful

You actually haven't done anything for my page, but I just wanted to thank you for all the hard work you put into making Wikipedia a better place. So, again, Thanks! MissileWaster 20:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I have to give you more thanks! I made my User Page much cleaner and better looking thanks to yours :) I just popped open the edit page for yours and used that as a base for mine, and even learned some new things like tags and stuff! Thanks again! MissileWaster 21:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Carla Deary

There are news hits. Fifteen of them, one piece of prurient reporting from The Sun and fourteen local press pieces. If you look at most of them - in fact all but The Sun, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch and has a massive legal team - studiously avoid mentioning the name of the Ms Deary's boyfriend, now "helping police with their inquiries". I'd suggest that (Ms Deary's death, while tragic, was a news non-event. No daily press except The Sun reported it, and her name gets no hits on BBC news. Further, putting the boyfriend's name in the article is not necessarily clever from a legal point of view. The idea of Mr Wales being marched off to court to face contempt charges next time he sets foot in England is moderately funny, but I'm not sure he'd see it that way. Not my problem. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your message. Assuming good faith, I have unblocked that IP: [1]. --Bhadani 02:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your prompt removal of a personal attack from my userpage! - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 04:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Buffalo AFD

Thank you for your welcome and explanation. I attempted to express my opinion to Chacor, however he seems to label anyone who disagrees with him as a "troll" and immediately reverts their talk page edits. I do see your point about a strong consensus on the previous AFD pointing towards keep, however it didn't seem like there was much discussion, and I thought Chacor coming along and unilaterally closing the AFD early was inappropriate, and the labeling of it as a bad-faith nom even moreso. Anyway, I appreciate your kindness. --AlabamaTalking 04:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Asterix299

Looks like Netsnipe downgraded his block, which is fine. I'm going to watch over that account like a hawk though. -- Steel 09:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Freed up some time?

I noticed your comments on Intelligent Design pretty much put you in the neutral category. Therefore i'd like your opinion as i'm a rather new editor and am receiving some rather hostile responses. I accept that maybe I deserve them, or maybe there is another reason i'm receiving these attacks. I'd like a third party opinion. If you are willing, please read this this and this and let me know, if you would be so kind, if i'm on the right track and behaving properly, or if i'm simply being disruptive and should say things different/just shut up. Thanks in advance if you are able to devote some of your time to this. I realize you are very busy and will not in the least bit be put off if you don't have the time or the inclination.Bagginator 12:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Is there a "backlog" standard?

I've jumped in and added that {{backlog}} tag to the top of the WP:AIV page a few times now, when the list grows past 10 or so and nothing has been cleared in the past 45+ minutes. Is that about right? -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 19:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know about the {{adminbacklog}} tag; that makes a log more sense for that page. I only knew about the {{backlog}} tag by "monkey see, monkey do"; I noticed that Sarah Ewart added that tag to the page once, and it seemed like a good idea. And yup, I did notice that you added it back (commented out) to the top of the page. I should have done that myself instead of adding & removing it. If it's there, commented out, there's more chance that someone will notice it and use it when it's needed. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 19:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I saw your response after I blocked the user. I just wanted to let you know that since all of this user's edits have been vandalism, I thought an appropriate block period of one month was justified. Feel free to change the block time if you disagree. Nishkid64 19:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Administrator intervention against vandalism

I noticed you removed a user I listed with the comment "blocked, not empty". I'm not familiar with the procedure at Administrator intervention against vandalism. Could you explain a bit? Thanks. ENeville 00:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, I believe this one is empty. ENeville 00:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.  :)

I appreciate your watching my back. Really.  :)

  • LOL! Thank you so much. The little so-and-so is still bitching on the talk page...which I am conveniently blocking. Ah, there are times when the block key is SUCH fun. I owe you another one. - Lucky 6.9 02:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Made a bit of the mess of the Simpsons page

Cleaning up after user: I'm trying to do about three things here. I cleaned it up, but I'm a bit slower than I like. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HalfShadow (talkcontribs) 10 October 2006.

Nah. I pretty much have it down. I'm just a bit clumsy at it. I can fix any mistakes I do make, so no woorries, but I just hate being sloppy, y'know? HalfShadow 03:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

10East Corp.

Today you deleted my company's (10East Corp) information from Wiki. I have reviewed all the other companies listed under SaaS, and fail to see the difference between the content we provided and the content of all others that are listed here:

We actually used those Wiki listings as a model for our content. Could you help me better understand the difference between our listing and all the other SaaS companies listed?

Thanks, Mike —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) .

Cross-posting reply
Ah, I do remember that. While I can understand your wanting to have an article in Wikipedia, my judgement was that the article's primary purpose was to promote or advertise -- particularly, the nature of Wikipedia has always left us vulnerable to such things, and so we have policies and guidelines involved autobiography and emphasizing that Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising. In particular, the Wikimedia Foundation recently opted to add criterion G11 to the criteria for speedy deletion, and that's the basis for the page's deletion. If you'd like to appeal that, you're welcome to make a request at deletion review. Thanks for your time, and have a good day. Luna Santin 05:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Cross-posting reply
I gave this another go, this time modeling 10East Corp. after Backbone Systems and giving it far less detail, in hopes that it is not viewed with the primary purpose being to promote or advertise. My reason for wanting a 10East Corp. page is actually to improve upon the very good and growing body of work found at Software as a Service, by providing additional examples of SaaS providers, and in specific, vertical-market SaaS providers, which are poorly represented -- note that companies like Backbone Systems host Microsoft Office and Exchange and are horizontal-market SaaS providers, or more appropriately, ASPs (Application Service Providers). The work at Software as a Service is a very good piece, providing excellent educational material on modern SaaS. My hope is to improve that work by offering more information about vertical-market SaaS, as opposed to just horizontal. We've been in this business since 1995, and have been through many trendy names. The Application Service Provider (ASP) era was probably the worst, as the vertial-market ASPs were badly misunderstood and overlooked. The new trend of referring to companies like ours as SaaS providers offers an opportunity to draw a distinction between ASP (which is really what companies like Backbone Systems are) and modern SaaS providers. Minutes after posting, though, User:NawlinWiki deleted it. I just don't understand how judgements like this get made so differently for different companies. I think I give up on contributing to Wikipedia (and I've done so anonymously many times)... Hightowe 15:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Autoblock message

You might be interested in the {{autoblock}} template. Thanks for the barnstar by the way. --  Netsnipe  ►  05:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi. Just wondering about your unblocking of Infolithium (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). The autoblock was in place because it is the same IP as Profilio (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log). Since I blocked Profilio as a vandalism-only account (all User: and User talk: vandalism and insults), he has completely cleared my conscience by sending me four e-mails with bizarre rants and other nonsense. Now Infolithium has started the same and is following a similar pattern of (almost) nothing but User talk: edits including a long essay of some kind on his own talk page. It seems to me this is just one banned user playing sock games, don't you think? —Wknight94 (talk) 15:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. At the time, there wasn't much of any contribution history to go with, so I opted to AGF and look at it as a collateral damage case. If the user has engaged in the same behaviors, I wouldn't object to (re)blocking as a sock/meatpuppet. If the user continues to be a problem, it doesn't seem to make much difference whether they're brothers or the same person. Apologies for not contacting you; at the time, I thought it might've been more of a hassle to clutter your talk page, but I suppose I should have known better. Luna Santin 20:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh no - no apologies necessary. I was just wondering if you had some insight that I didn't - if maybe he contacted you offline or whatever. I'll keep my eyes open and block forever at the first sign of nonsense. It just smells very much like a sock party - and, from Profilio's contribs, I don't think Profilio and Infolithium are the first of them. Infolithium even admits on his talk page to having created a Wknight49 imposter user which I killed yesterday. I really should block for that alone... —Wknight94 (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi, You would have noticed that person with above IP address frequently does vandalism. Can you block him for longer period? Also please let me know how to block users? Whether only Administrators can do it? Thanks. --Lravikumar 16:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for unlocking my IP

(User talk: It is appreciated! DJRikki 20:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Deleting Lali Watt

Hi - I noticed that you deleted the article "Lali Watt" under the useless biography criteria. However, I'd like to point out that she is an American Politician and has contributed considerably to her community and therefore merits a page on Wikipedia. I would appreciate it if you would un-delete the page or at least give some appreciable reason for why you deleted it in the first place. Mrmaroon25 01:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey I got your message - I just wanted to clarify - Lali is not a candidate in these upcoming midterms - she is a current trustee and therefore doesn't fall under that category, I believe. Anything I've missed? :) Mrmaroon25 03:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
By the way, if you're interested in information, I would highly suggest that you google her name.
Undeleting would be wonderful :) Thanks so much. Mrmaroon25 23:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


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Regarding Blocking school IP Address

Yes I understand your view point. Thanks for your clarification.

--Lravikumar 12:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Bsmntbombdood

Interesting question. Tor are essentially open proxies and we block open proxies and IIRC Jimbo has explicitly talked about blocking tor. All the discussion I am aware of however predates the revised blocking facilities. The advice to tor users page talks about soft blocks, however that was only changed a month ago and I'm not aware of any discussion around it (not that it's official policy anyway). So the answer to your question is that your guess is as good as mine. --pgk 18:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my talk page. IrishGuy talk 23:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

I know it's part of your job as an admin, but I wanted to thank you for blocking so many disruptive users. Happy editing! Sasuke-kun27 23:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't expect someone to revert it that quickly (I didn't even think you had my page on your watchlist). Thanks and happy editing! Sasuke-kun27 02:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


Thanks my friend! Rama's arrow 23:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the revert, I just noticed it as I was about to leave. I added a measure that tests the target (not destination) page for "vandalism" and causes the bot to ignore the move if that is the case. That should avoid cases like that, though a few random errors may still happen sometimes. It only revert new user moves to "vandal" names, so that shouldn't be that often, especially with this measure.Voice-of-All 00:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Help desk

I normally don't post things like this, but I'm in a bit of a jovial mood today. In regards to the question that you moved, I thought of another solutuion to that problem, but was afraid of violating WP:BEANS. I was wondering if anything like that happened to cross your mind? --After Midnight 0001 02:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for reverting vandalism to my talk page and for blocking that tiresome IP. --Ginkgo100 talk · e@ 04:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, thanks for this too. That will work. JungleCat talk/contrib 04:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


I have replied to you on User talk: — 20:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I have again replied to you on User talk: I see nothing more to be said by me. — 21:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

(Cross-posted this to your talk page.) Huh. Fair enough, there's more history here than I realized. If you're still interested in pursuing your complaints, I'd recommend taking a few moments to compose a good pile of evidence (mainly links to diffs, showing both abuse and warnings for abuse, and such), and then start a thread at AN/I. While AIV does tend to get a faster response, it's really not the best place for that sort of complaint -- we have a very narrow definition of vandalism, and while I can sympathize with you, it's not absolutely clear that he's acting with the intent to harm Wikipedia. He thinks he's doing the right thing, you think you're doing the right thing, there doesn't seem to be a truly clear-cut answer -- that's the exact sort of situation suited to ANI. Just my two cents. Good luck, either way. Luna Santin 04:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Whether I had other edits such as those was an irrelevancy, though. The only thing relevant was whether my account of his actions were accurate. The problem here is that Arbustoo broke the ostensible rules of the institution. Yes, there is a narrow definition of vandalism, but he did plainly cross it; for example,
I linked to this edit at AIV (where one is supposed to be brief), but the admin didn't even examine the evidence; he just baldly declared that Arbustoo was not a vandal. It would be one thing, if administrators, assessing his character, gave him a warning or a mere slap-on-the-wrist (in spite of giving at least one editor, Devilmaycares, a 48-hour block for doing the same thing). But, instead, the admins are completely waiving the rules (and even the investigation) for Arbustoo, and threatening me with blocks and personally attacking me for trying to get the rules followed. I have no reason to expect that at AN/I the very same clique is going to behave substantially better. — 10:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Hrm. Those diffs you linked do look a bit suspect. I'll take some time to look into this in more detail, later. Let me know if he continues that sort of behavior. I'm really not convinced that such tagging is vandalism, but it could very well be disruptive, especially if he does it too often. There's part of the pitfall -- AIV is for really stinking obvious stuff, like adding "HURR HURR PENIS," and anything significantly more complex than that tends not to get acted on. AN/I also tends to get watched by a different crowd. In cases like this, I recommend being as civil as possible; it helps resolve the situation if possible, and if not, it makes it clear which person was playing nice and which wasn't. How-evah, I've got to get going, so we'll talk later, I imagine. Luna Santin 15:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
And, given that he was making such edits, he knew that the original warning was not trolling; &c &c. He has learned how to work the admins as a tribe. Again: He broke the rules; admins have slapped me around for bringing that to their attention. I have no intention of doffing my hat and asking them for more over in AN/I. — 16:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
While I can sympathize, strong reactions like that only help others build a case that you look like a troll. That's why I recommend staying as calm and openly level-headed as possible. Luna Santin 18:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Whatever one wants to call one who has strong reactions (and “troll” is not the proper term), no reasonable person would say that someone were wrong because he or she had a strong reaction. If Wikipedia administrators, as a group, do not to look first at brute facts, then Wikipedia will simply be the outcome of a political process. Now, in fact, what you're perceiving as strong reactions are not that; they are, however, a rejection of political processes — been there, done that, seen what happens. :-/ — 19:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
You missed my point -- the two of you are in a conflict. It's difficult to tell who's good or bad in these sorts of conflicts, because there's too much yelling and anger. Several users have chosen to characterize you as trolling -- by getting angry, yelling, and talking anything to the effect of admin cabals, you're playing right into their hands. Your best move, in my opinion, is to be as cooperative as possible and earn the trust of your fellow editors. I'm not talking about right or wrong, good or bad; all I'm getting at, right now, is that the more of a sane, calm, rational team player you look like, the better chance you'll get an honest hearing. Just my two cents. Luna Santin 23:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
No, I really haven't missed your point. I'm telling you that if I need to do that, then Wikipedia is already doomed to evolve into something with little merit. Wikipedia's admins, whenever they are wearing their admin caps, need to behave as scientists and scholars. (Whether one will behave that way is, of course, largely independent of whether one has or has not spent much time in academia or whatever.) If they won't focus on brute fact and points of logic, and instead engage in groupthink and focus on personalities, then I think that, within about two years, Wikipedia will have failed in its mission and generally be seen to have failed in its mission. — 17:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough -- I'm convinced that you're rational. I still don't entirely agree with you, but that's a debate to save for another day. ;) For now, let's get back to the matter at hand. Your IP range appears to be It's unclear whether these people are you or not, but I've tracked down some users who contribute in there... [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. If you're interested in contributing over a long period of time, I really do encourage getting an account, but that's your call. Some of those are almost definitely you (they've posted at the Murtha dispute), and a few have made contributions in other areas. I'm not particularly interested in censoring either of you at this time, but it looks to me like both (yes, both) of you need to stop throwing around accusations of vandalism; I'll ask Arbustoo to avoid tagging so many of your comments with {{spa}} in the interest of civility, but he should be able to speak his piece, which you could rebut. Ideally the two of you will stop edit warring and will instead settle down into dispute resolution and the use of talk pages. I know that content disputes are long, hard, and annoying, having been through some myself, but that looks to be what this is, as far as I can tell. Luna Santin 22:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
If an IP has a limited range of edits it will be tagged as a SPA. Moreover, this type of stuff does not win sympathy. Note this IP is involved in two canidates running for election. This IP has continuly tried to remove another user's good faith edits. Rather than clean up that, the IP removes a news source and the content.
If this IP wants to contribute to wikipedia on a range of articles and not be confused with a SPA, she/he should get an account. Until then it looks as if this IP is pushing a POV on two articles related to one congressional race.
If my full edit history is examined for the Irey article, then one finds me first fighting pro-Irey rhetoric and then fighting anti-Irey rhetoric. For the former, look at my attempt to reason with MRMKJason (the blockquoted “Blogs and forums are for debating issues, not spinning facts.” is from one of his edit summaries). After MRMKJason had seemed to accept that his word-choice was at best questionable, C56C came along with a cooked transcript. Then H_ll broke loose as MRMKJason responded by returning to his earlier behavior, and C56C found an admin all too ready to believe a cooked version of the conflict over that transcript. — 00:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
This IP has called a long-time wikipedia adminstrator a liar when that admin. was trying to get a handle on IP's POV pushing. This is not acceptable. Arbusto 22:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. They've done some stupid stuff -- though I note the most recent of those diffs is from about two days ago, and some are older. I guess what I'm getting at is that if they'd like to contribute legitimately, we may as well let them; if they regress or keep pulling crap, I'll be happy to block them. So a "second chance" is what I'm looking for, I guess. Luna Santin 22:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Looking further into your comments, I don't think you realize this started at the Irey article nor that I reported it at the AN/I days ago.[7] And told this user where to deal with it a week ago.[8] It is very telling that he is doing it on your talk page and feeding you parts of what really happened instead of on AN/I. There is a wider spectrum to this. Arbusto 22:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I did see the Irey thread on AN/I (at least, assuming there's only one). The user's refusal to consider AN/I is also a bit suspicious, I've noticed; I encouraged them to do the same. I'll readily admit I'm not aware of the full history, here, but it at least seems like a content dispute gone sour, unless I'm missing something. Luna Santin 23:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not even sure its a content dispute because everything is in there now. I don't really know what this user's problem is. Arbusto 23:12, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Could make a request at third opinions or the Mediation Cabal on the issue, to get more voices involved. If I'm reading the situation correctly, it looks like you consider a particular quotation/section relevant, and they don't? Luna Santin 23:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Not entirely. If you note this happened October 10th and this on the 11th while the content issue happened a day later on 12 October 2006. This user doesn't like the SPA template. Arbusto 23:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
That wasn't the best reaction, on their part, but they do appear to have contributions in multiple areas: [9] [10] [11] (found using VP), and over a longer span of time than I first thought: [12] [13] (I found those last ones digging through the history at John Murtha, dating at least back to early August 2006). Luna Santin 23:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Looking at your first example that IP has editted at two articles. So it makes sense that it is "Possible single purpose account: (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic" and should be tagged as such. As the IP noted he/she gets assigned a new IP[14] so how do we know the spectrum of 12.72.72*** is all one user? (You have in fact referred to these IPs as "they" above.)
I can't tell, and so I've tagged a IP with a limited range as "Possible single purpose account: (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic". If this IP doesn'tike it she/he should get an account and edit a range of articles. Arbusto 00:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the connection is between these -- what do General Eisenhower, the wife of an attorney general, a BBC radio show host, and John Murtha all have to do with each other? It would be ridiculous to suggest that all users from are this same user, but I haven't made that claim; I believe that all of the IPs I linked to are apparently this same person, because they've all made edits related to the current subject of discussion, in addition to their edits in other areas. Yes, they should probably get an account, and yes, they've been incivil in the past, but it's important to note that your continued use of {{spa}} will only aggravate the situation. Neither past failings of judgement nor failure to register an account strike me as reasons to ignore legitimate complaints or disputes. Luna Santin 00:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
You asked how they are all linked? Politics: Making Republicans look better than Democrats. See Martha Beall Mitchell, notice how there were good edits, but also[15] Notice how an article titled Martha Mitchell, the Watergate scandel was removed? Could the 12.72.*** IP be the same person as the 70.166*** IP? Well one of your examples of a non-Murtha-Irey edit is see edit summary "Rvt latest attack from Chico-based vandal", which is similiar to see summary "Revert to undo spin attack from Chico editor". Note the 12 and 70 IP's editting on the Irey talk.
A limited range of articles. There are more examples, but I've already wasted too much time on this IP. Arbusto 00:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Read Talk:Martha Beall Mitchell, and then go to the site for which I removed the link. It's brief, so you can read it quickly. And you can see that, just as I said, it contains major errors. A those-who-are-not-for-me-are-against-me leads Arbusto to presume that I am a Republican. I haven't voted for any Republican since 1986, nor a Republican Presidential candidate since 1980 (when I voted in a primary for one who had withdrawn to voted against the front-runner). Arbusto seems lost in POV. — 00:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
You can use masculine pronouns in reference to me. (And I am rather pleased with how much I improved that article on MM.) — 00:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't a reaction on my part. When I began dealing with that passage, Arbusto hadn't yet touched it. If there was any stalking here (and it might have been just chance coincidence), then it was by him. I removed that passage for exactly the reasons that I explained: most of it was redundant, part of it (the claim by Abizaid) didn't seem to be relevant, and the rest was bald claims — not an attributed quotes but a bald claims — such as that Murtha was the soul and conscience of the military. Maybe Arbusto doesn't see what is wrong with such things; but, again, if there was a reaction (in Murtha) here then it was on his part. — 02:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
At this point, it's merely a dispute on the history of a content dispute, because you've bailed on having a passage that claims that Murtha is the soul and conscience of the military, and there is now a sensible passage in the article (which reports Woodward's words as such). Are you going to pursue that dispute while insinuating that there is something wrong with my responding to your pursuit? (Alternately, is the Mediation Cabal going to give a d_mn about a dispute on the history of a content dispute?) The only reason that I've continued this discourse with this admin is because he's attempting reasonable discourse. I don't generally walk away from that, even when it's moot. — 00:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it proceeded from my having various other complaints basically ignored in AN/I and being told by an admin to use the route that I later used for Arbusto. (In that earlier case, it actually worked. The rules and procedure around here seem to change with the wind.) — 00:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
It's only stupid on the assumption of a particular set of objectives. In fact, there are a number of options here. And what I am doing is trying to get appropriate edits made without accepting what I regard as corrupt and corrupting protocols. You're probably correct that I could get more of the former done if I didn't respect that side constraint, but I operate from considerable first-hand experience in participating in such protocols and what really results. (I ask you to remember what I say now in a couple of years, when you see what has become of Wikipedia.) — 00:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
No, that admin stepped into a three-way edit war between an anon and two logged-in users. One logged-in user used a few dirty tricks such as linking to diffs such that a series of diffs by the two other editors (one another logged-in editor) seemed to be by the anon. The admin locked out only the anon, without attempting to query the anon, claimed that the anon had failed to discuss edits (when almost the only discussion was by the anon), and then the admin didn't act to fix a single one of his mistakes. (The admin walked away after the anon presented a systematic analysis of the extent to which the falsifications that he'd been fighting were indeed falsifications.) — 00:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
So the 12.72.** is now 75.18.***. I am still convinced this user is a WP:SPA, and will be tagged as such if the range of articles is limited. Arbusto 00:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, there you have it. No matter what the range of articles I edit may be, Arbusto will use the tag as a means of attack. — 00:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Arb, you haven't yet made a case that all of the edits are related to "making Republicans look better than Democrats." Fixing a ref on a BBC radio personality's page certainly doesn't appear relevant to the accusation. While the edits to Mitchell's article did indeed remove a reference to Nixon's skullduggery, they replaced it with another reference, they explained their removal on the talk page, and nobody has disagreed or refuted their reasoning since. I'm not sure how his edits to Eisenhower and German POWs reflect the POV-pushing nightmare you want me to see, as again no one has disagreed with those edits for a few days. On the other hand, attacking users and admins is pretty much unacceptable. So: you both need to start playing nice, or this can and probably eventually will make its way to the Arbitration Committee. I heartily encourage the both of you to seek ways to compromise with each other -- 12.72.*.*/75.18.*.*: please register an account to appease Arbustoo and demonstrate your variety of interests, and please avoid anything approaching trolling in the future; Arbustoo: please avoid biting and be aware that continued use of {{spa}} can be considered incivil; both of you: please assume good faith and consider dispute resolution and/or requests for comment. That's all for now. Luna Santin 01:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I could careless if this user gets an account or not. I can careless about what articles he edits. However, those two factors might result in certain tags. This user expired good faith a while ago with partisan hackery on the canidates pages. Arbusto 03:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
That's why everybody needs to play nice. That was in August. We're now about halfway through October. Please let go of the past and work with each other. Luna Santin 03:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, this attack was a few days ago and this partisan hackery was admitted a recently. I guess this closes another case. You could cut people with a long contribution history a break, and be a little more stern with people who so clearly have an agenda. This is disappointing. Arbusto 04:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Let's look at each of those links:
I find this evidence(?) bizarre. — 06:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Arb, he reported you to AIV -- do you remember what happened after that? Nothing happened to you, and he got yelled at for making a bad report, and for being incivil. I haven't forgotten that. Both of you have thrown superfluous accusations of vandalism over what should be a simple content dispute. Wasn't it you who called him a dick, just today? Hasn't it been you who constantly eggs him on with SPA tagging, in spite of evidence to the contrary? And you, 12.72, why so eager to make Arbustoo look bad? Why so hesitant to report to AN/I, so untrusting of other users, explaining that you wouldn't even register an account because you'd be "stalked"? I'm getting impatient because neither of you seems to be even admitting the possibility of good faith. If I continue to be frustrated, one or both of you may find yourselves blocked. It's time to work together to resolve your differences and find a solution. Play. Nice. Luna Santin 09:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • “And you, 12.72, why so eager to make Arbustoo look bad?” — I wasn't out to make him look bad; I thought that he already looked very bad.
  • “Why so hesitant to report to AN/I,” — As I said, my attitude towards AN/I developed from having tried it without success, only to get ignored except for one admin who explained that for action I should use AIV, which use was in that case then successful.
  • “so untrusting of other users,” — I'm a social scientist, and certainly not a utopian; I see the incentive system here and how it would be expected to work. And I've indeed seen editors behaving exactly as per such expectations.
  • “explaining that you wouldn't even register an account because you'd be ‘stalked’?” — I've seen stalking. And you and I both know that AN/I and edit summaries have lots of complaints about it.
Look, the dust settled, and at John Murtha what happened to the passage at issue? The parts that I said should go because of redundancy are gone; the parts that I said were unacceptable bald statements are no longer bald statements; the part that I said was irrelevant is gone. (The fate of the cooked transcript at Diana Irey was quite similar.) And Arbusto is furious, trying to get you to act against me, telling you that he will continue to war against me with tags. Meanwhile, what am I saying that I'll do against him? I've explained that I regarded my discussion with you as moot, continued only out of respect for your desire to discuss things reasonably. When I was disagreeing with your suggestions, was I ever saying “No, the way that I will get Arbusto is…”? When he called me a dick, did I use a counter-insult, or report him to A-whatever? What are you demanding of me? that I give him a big hug? — 13:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that a potentially useful way of summarizing much (though not all) of what I have to say to you is: “I'm not here for community; I'm here for the encyclopedia.” Wikipedia wasn't proposed for the former, which is why “anyone” can edit it. — 14:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'll let sleeping dogs lie, provided they stay more or less asleep. That's really all I want -- both of you have done or said what I would consider some iffy stuff, but if the situation cools down, that's the main idea. As far as I can tell, the situation is calmed down enough to keep me happy. I don't need flowers and puppies to drop from the sky, only cooperation between two people who otherwise appear to be very good editors; for now, we look to have that happening. Luna Santin 18:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Who would catch the poor puppies, in any event? — 18:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, dear. I think we need to start a WikiProject. Luna Santin 18:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
(I'm wonder how my edits concerning Brian Flemming (again from a middle ground, in that case between Devilmaycares and Laurence Boyce), Caramel, Pederasty would fit into Arbusto's exploded theory.) — 01:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I recognize and explicitly acknowledge that your request that I register an account is a request, made very politely. But, on the one hand, if anonymous editting is really unsuitable to Wikipedia (and I am not convinced that it is), then they ought to be prohibitted; and, on the other hand, as far as I can tell, the principal effect of logging-in would be to make me more stalkable (which is why I'll resist showing you edits made from even more IP numbers), in the context of dealing with dedicated gamers. (I note that Arbusto began warring against me in John Murtha after I objected to his tagging-up of the Irey talk page.) — 01:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, examine my actual edits to Eisenhower and German POWs. How do they make anyone look good? or bad? They are just clean-up of the mark-up, a spelling fix, and so forth. — 01:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC) Okay, you saw that. Sorry. — 01:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


Personal attack. 03:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not really a personal attack, it's one of Wikipedia's policies. Sasuke-kun27 03:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
The page is a statement of one of Wikipedia's policies; his use of it was as a personal attack. (Note that a hammer is not an assault, and has legitimate use far removed from assault.) — 03:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Ion-weapon and Communism

The entry for communism is inaccurate. It does not speak of the violence caused by communism. It does not have any criticism whatsoever. I will place my text at the bottom, do not remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ion-weapon (talkcontribs) .

I've reverted the change and followed up on User talk:Ion-weapon. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 21:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the unblock ...

... I believe that Google accelerator was the culprit (well, actually, MyWikiBiz was the culprit). For a little more detail see my talk page. -Dmh 04:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

User:JohnnyICON and User:JohnnyIOON

Could be so, though to similar anyway. If he/she asks for unblock will do so if it's before I hit the sack. If so feel free :)--Dakota 06:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


I was wondering what was taking him so long to vandalize it again.... -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 06:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I really have to wonder what people who attack that article, and Westboro Baptist Church, and Communism and other articles, think they're accomplishing. It's not like vandalizing a Wikipedia article affects the subject of the article.
BTW, I saw the comments from User talk:Ion-weapon on your page, so I followed up with him. It did not go smoothly. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 07:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

User block question

I noticed you blocked a user account who had done blatant vandalism in his/her 4 edits, but had only been given a bot notice and test1. Can accounts (not IPs, obviously) that have only blatant vandalism edits be blocked permanently even if they haven't vandalised after a "final"-type warning? I'm not questioning your action, but wondering if this would fall under 'vandalism only account'.

I know one such account won't make much difference, but I'm wondering if I should report such to AIV in the future.

Thanks for your hard work. TransUtopian 11:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation and recommendation! TransUtopian 22:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


Thanks a lot for blocking this guy, He really was getting on my nerves vandalizing my user page for 10 minutes :) -- lucasbfr talk 15:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:LIVING and Nizkor Project

My comments on the Nizkor site were the truth. Fine I won't change the main page. But, the discussion section should be free for all views. That man has systematically destroyed my life. Is it not better I be able to refute myself online then to handle the matter in a fateful way, in person, in BC, Canada at his home. I've had years of therapy, I feel I should be able to lead a normal life, yet he haunts me like some tattoo across my face. It's best that I be allowed to speak my side of the story. Let this go. Prevent a tragedy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jdranetz (talkcontribs) 14 October 2006.

What to do?

I watch Abington Heights School District and it has been under attack by vandals lately (you reverted it recently). Besides IP addresses, there are four vandalism only user accounts involved: User:ThisisCarl, User:ThePhantomofthewiki, User:ZomgPANTHER, and User:SeAmNiNjA. Can they be blocked?

There is also one semi-useful account that also has vandalized User:Breakdown2218 (who says "I like to contribute to the Wii page and vadalize (sic) my school's page" on his user page), but this account at least makes useufl edits much of the time.

What has me concerned is that tonight they started putting in death threats [16]. While I doubt they are serious, you can't be too careful nowadays, so I sent an email to the school district.

What else should be done? Can / should the whole page be semi-protected? Thanks for any help, Ruhrfisch 01:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for helping with this - I will let you know if there are any more developments. I appreciate the assistance very much, Ruhrfisch 14:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


You might want to check out User talk:Glen S Luna Santin TheProject (aeropagitica) Misza13 Golbez. WODUP (talk) 23:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


well i thought it would be a good iteda on pooop well all the poop with 2 o's were not even on poop i thought if possible isomeone is doing a report on poop but well alot of it is true gross but usally true but well it would be a good idia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Angleoflove2 (talkcontribs) .

Prussian Blue

Damn...I was watching for it, and still, AntiVandalBot reverted it and you blocked him before I had a chance to even revert it. The dude really needs to get a new hobby. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 01:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

You are aware that AntiVandalBot is a BOT, and not an ACTUAL USER, right? Sasuke-kun27 02:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Yup. Usually that particular vandal tries to be more subtle, keeping to things that AntiVandalBot won't catch. And the last several vandalisms have used intentionally innocuous and misleading edit summaries to try to sneak it by. Apparently he lost it when I reverted his first nonsense in seconds, so he knew sneaky wouldn't work. The ironic thing here is I'm not exactly what you'd call a fan of those girls...besides the ugliness of what they sing about, they have, um, no talent. (Just to see what all of the shouting was about, I watched one of their videos. No Grammy in their future.) -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 02:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I thought that by "The dude...", you meant AVB. Sorry. I'm gonna stop talking now (I don't feel like filling Luna's talk page with any more of my nonsense =P). Sasuke-kun27 02:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
{{db-nonsense}} :o Luna Santin 02:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Heh. No, I approve of AntiVandalBot's hobby. The dude in question is the one with the unhealthy fixation on a pair of teenage girls. He's about to come off a 48-hour block on another IP for exactly the same vandalism. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 02:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Bruderschaft deletion...

Hello. It seems you deleted the Bruderschaft article, but it doesn't say why you deleted it. Would be nice to know why =p. Torte 13:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

– Thanks for the quick reply! I was more then anything just curious to why you deleted it. If I can gather up some good information I'll rewrite it :P. Torte 20:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Different Matter

Could you look at this diff please. — 16:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I've just now also asked Admin:Rogerd to look at it. — 16:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Sure. :) IP just about blanked their talk page. Tagged as possible sock. Last contrib was 13 October, last block was 22 August for 3RR. Is it just a case of blanking their talk page, or is there something deeper I should be looking for? Luna Santin 18:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know, it's just that page blanking, followed by another edit that did not correct the blanking. — 18:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Alrighty. Restored. Luna Santin 18:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Anon users editing semi-protected pages

Hi, as you could see in Minotaur and Labyrinth, an anon user managed to alter the article content even though it's semi-protected. Any idea why this happened? - ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 03:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing it up. I think the guy who tagged it is an admin, maybe he just forgot to actually protect the pages. - ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 04:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Got it. I don't know if this is the same person from before, there's been lots of chicken-switching from AOL proxies and it might just be the same user (I've been reverting/warning them for 2 days now and they always come back). I'll let you know if they strike again. Thanks for your help! - ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 04:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Looks like they're back. - ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 07:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I had just added the pages to Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection. ||| antiuser (talk) (contribs) 07:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your concern on my talk/user page. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in. I don't want all my info free to the world. --Snafuu 05:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

PS I love your straight to the point "Please don't do that."


Thanks for unblocking me. I think S4110791 should probably be unblocked also. The login is from the University of Queensland and the username has the form of a UQ student number, also used as an email address. JQ 06:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

New user creation log

Probably nothing, maybe something. Who knows, but if you're bored you might watch these recent new users. The first batch might be a school project, like "Media Studies 101" or something. The second lot is perhaps just someone who can't decide? -

Bev Harris

I added some references to the article and removed the prod. There are two New York Times articles and an HBO documentary about her work to support notability. Please take a look and see if your prod reasons were addressed. Thanks for your efforts to make Wikipedia better!Edison 21:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

"Reality" Article

I am afraid that nearly all of this article is uncited. I ask you to remove it and if you don't, why not? 21:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Thanks

For the revert on my userpage. I've been getting a few cases of hit and run vandalism the last couple days. Random angry IP's and users who like to vandalize. Thanks! -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 22:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


You may have been a bit too hard on User:Reitzaleah. The user's edit history is consistent with a new user just playing around ("can I really do this?"). Normally such users get multiple warnings followed by a 24 hour block if necessary. Jumping immediately to an indefinite block seems a bit over the top. Note that the user had not vandalized anything after the previous (and only) warning. Note also that the user's first edit was actually a small but valid contribution.--Srleffler 01:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the unblock

Thank you for looking into the block on my account. Gaudreaur 02:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


thanks for the unblock! Wiki wiki wiki wiki 02:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Nizkor... and my conflicts with Ken MacVay

You are right. This is not the proper forum for this. I appreciate you understanding response. I am refuting his personal charges against me on my own site (outside of Wikipedia). He just seems to have a knack for getting his stuff at the top of Google searches. I do have web blogs relating to my professional skills and my interaction with people who have met me personally, a stark contrast to what MacVay has portrayed me as.

I ask this, if his article is self advertising his for profit business (he gets donations and speaking fees), is it possible that that article itself does not belong in Wikipedia because it falls out side the parameters established for articles?

Another subject, I have yet to figure out how to post "discussion" blogs with out actually "editing" the page itself, or is that the way to do it. I was thinking I was entering my side of the story in "discussions" in an incorrect manner.

Jeff —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jdranetz (talkcontribs) 16 October 2006.

User talk:

This user repeatedly added nonsense to the article Geelong, Victoria whilst being simultaneously warned about such behavior. Most notable was this change. If you look through the contributions, you'll notice that almost all (I think there's one exception) contributions made by this user have been acts of vandalism. Cnwb 03:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for unblocking me. It's no trouble at all. I understand the reason to block ip's. I just wish college dorms gave users their own ip addresses. It would solve headaches for regular users, and administrators alike. Anyway, thanks and have a good day :) Lithpiperpilot 06:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


Trying to reach an infobox consensus here: [17]. Please can you weigh-in with your opinion? 11:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Unblock request

I smell a rat. Someone on this account knew exactly what he was doing. He didn't upload his picture to Wikipedia but to the commons. He also vandalized two existing articles beyond adding the silly vanity article. I agree that if he does anything silly again that he's out, so I'll see what he does when I unblock him. Not the worst vandal I've ever seen. Thanks for letting me know. You're one of the good ones.  :) - Lucky 6.9 14:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


Hello Luna toaday is the first day I have ever watched the recent changes log and I have changed alot of vandalism. Am I doing it all right. (You are awsome at reverting vandalism).--Seadog.M.S 15:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Your Deletion.


I saw that you deleted the article on Arjinderpal Sekhon[[18]], who is the Democratic Congressional Candidate for District 02 in California. I am unclear as to why you deleted his page. There are many other candidates' biographies on this resourceful website, and I am confused as to how his was either offensive or merited deletion. The Republican opponent has a page that you did not bother deleting. Is this politically motivated?

I ask that you please respond promptly or I will seek an answer from another review board.


--Gtorresjr 16:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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Unblock request

Shared IP, I think it's been blocked long enough. Sorry for the trouble.

Not at all. If you have a spare moment, might you unprotect the IP talk page as well? Thanks. 14:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Abington Heights Vadalization

Can you please delete something in the history? A lot of people including me want this taken off the history for good, just like the other vadalism, but I guess you missed it:

thanks in advance. Breakdown2218 17:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)'s Vandalism

Hi, Luna Santin. is back to vandalizing Looney Tune pages by adding nonsense. Since you dealt with this user a couple days ago, your help would again be appreciated. Rizzleboffin 21:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Luna. I'll try to mop up the mess left behind. Your good work here is much appreciated. Rizzleboffin 21:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Article Deletion Question

Hey, I seem to have blanked on the request posed by the user PeterWeller regarding recreation of a page deleted after an AfD.

Allow me to explain the situation: PeterWeller made both Ms Divine and Ms. Divine's Tee Hee Heure, but they were subsequently speedily deleted per A7 as a result of an AfD today. (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ms. Divine's Tee Hee Heure, which you deleted)

The article was recreated and subsequently deleted multiple times, so I protected both pages from further creation. PeterWeller comes to my user talk page and states his many reasons for keeping the article, and I am just wondering where I could go to get the article re-evaluated. Is it possible to go back to AfD and do another one there? I would hope so, but my uncertainty is what brought me to you in the first place.

P.S. See my talk page for his arguments for keeping the pages. Thanks. Nishkid64 00:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for this. You saved me and the rest of Wikipedia from a tremendous headache. I am grateful for your incredibly rapid response. Captainktainer * Talk 04:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for welcoming me on my talk page. Your QOTD talks about wikistress. Im feeling wikistressed. Is there a wikichillpill? lol M8gen 07:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


Sorry about the time to respond, I've just got up and seen your message. I note that the user concerned has been unblocked. I was clearly too hasty in this case both to decide that the repeat creation was malicious, or, for that matter, that the content was anything more than a feeble effort. I do sometimes block without warning when clearly offensive material involving obscenity, racism or personal attacks are recreated, since that amounts to vandalism, but that doesn't apply in this case, and I was clearly wrong to take the action I did without a warning first. My apologies, and I'll post this on the user's page too. jimfbleak 05:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

User talk:

I have responded there with my reasoning. You hit on the main points in your decline of the first request. I left a {{welcomeanon}} and a rough time frame on when the block was to expire. I usually wouldn't block for the first offense in over 20 days, but the pattern and circumstances justified it in my opinion. If you or someone else wants to lift it I'm fine with that. If an apology and promise to stop were given, i.e. guilty plea, I would probably lift it immediately though I would watch them to make sure they didn't start again. I'm just really having a hard time believing that the person requesting unblocking isn't the same person who was vandalizing.—WAvegetarian(talk) 07:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Glad to be reassuring. Why it is that I happen to be awake at 3am to deal with an unblock request I don't know. Although according to my talk page I am one of the most active administrators of english wikipedia as it seems to [ User:Spiperon ]. :)—WAvegetarian(talk) 07:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks mate

Thanks for all your help with the table of contents problem on my talk page. Thanks for your advice and help. Best regards. Culverin? Talk 11:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Great Ayton

I found this entry on Great Ayton and noticed that you editted the page changing Ayton to fatso but don't understand why.

Or maybe it's not you but I must say the display is a little overpowering for first time visitors.

Mick Garratt Great Ayton North Yorkshire —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 19 October 2006.

Ah, diffs are a little hard to read, at first, but it gets much easier with time. The changes are generally in a bold, red font -- if the section is green, text was added; if orange, text was removed. The version on the left is the older version, the version on the right is newer. So in this case, was vandalizing the page. I've since gone back and reverted to a better version. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Luna Santin 22:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Appeal for unblock by a newbie

Hey I just joined wikipedia, and i've just been auto blocked beacuse someone else used my IP. I'm an AOL user and just about every time I get on I see something like this before I log in. Could you please unblock me. --White and unnerdy42 21:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


Hey, would you be able to semi-protect the Thessaloniki page? Mywayyy, who was banned several months ago, continues to disrupt the article. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 22:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again. —Khoikhoi 22:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks #2

Thanks for reverting the annoying vandalism on my userpage. --The Great Llama(speak to the Llama!) 22:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


Luna Santin, may I have your Offline/Online box? It serves a really useful purpose and it would be great to have. Thanks in advance, Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . 3 23:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou Luna Santin, it looks great; though I'm not sure exactly how it works - do I change it everytime my status changes? Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . 3
Ah, but now I notice that you are offline - what a great feature. Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . 3 12:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I get it. Thanks again Luna Santin! Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . 3 22:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Red hair

Didn't see you reverting at the same time, so my edit summary could be taken as calling you a vandal - it's not, it's referring to what you were reverting. Just thought I should let you know in case some wires got crossed ^^; PMC 08:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

  • You too, huh? Keep that finger on the Delete key. =) PMC 08:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

About unblocking for allowing username change

Hi, I'm from ja.wikipedia. Would you mind if you unblock the autoblock #281808 to make User:端くれの錬金術師 be able to edit "WP:CHU"? Thank you. Sylphie 08:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for replying on my talkpage :) The autoblock is done at 06:56 today, and I find it on Special:Ipblocklist with a summary in Japanese. Sylphie 08:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi, sorry I re-blocked the guy whose autoblock you lifted. He is definitely the same as the other guy as he is claiming to be a "customer". I have nothing against him editing wikipedia again, but he needs to learn some civility, which this guy hasn't done yet obviously.--Konst.ableTalk 10:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. He has made 0 useful contributions. The only contributions were 3 posts of personal information to various articles (oversighted now) and a fake adminship "vote" on his user page.--Konst.ableTalk 10:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
=P --Konst.ableTalk 10:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Help and ideas needed

Hi Luna,

Sorry you've been spammed, but I hope you'll find for a good reason. I've know you are active around the recent changes arena (normally having beaten me to a revert), and I'm currently looking for help with a new project. I would like to harmonise all the warnings and templates we issue, with goal to creating a standard look, format and content to the messages. Even if you use VP, VS or any of the other vandal tools out there, I still feel this is worthwhile. Please visit here for further information, and leave me a message if you're interested, or tell me to get lost ;) if you haven't the time. Regards Khukri (talk . contribs) 13:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Luna

I have been patroling Recent changes lately. Nice swift block and thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page--Seadog.M.S 20:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Sheriff John Quincey Wydell

Hey CyberGhostface: I don't know what your problem is, but I don't understand why you deleted my additions to the Sheriff John Quincey Wydell article. You obviously don't understand how Wikipedia works. My edit ENHANCED your original article, and you have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO DELETE IT without at least having the courtesy to discuss you reasons for doing so. I have reposted my edit, and I'd like to request that you not delete it again without first discussing you reasons for wanting to do so. I have cut and pasted my edit to my word processing program, so if you go ahead and delete my edit again, I shall not hesitate to repost it.... again and again and again and again and again! Just try me, buddy boy!!! 21:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


Look at user's edit history; he was just unblocked for some reason, but please realize that user was just blocked for editing user pages. In other words, unblock was wrong. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 21:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Teh blocked. Luna Santin 21:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

There you go. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 21:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Is there a way I can tag potential vandels? I reported him to another admin, but surely there's a faster way to get someone's attention. Klosterdev 21:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually considering legal pursuit now

Since my attorney charges by by the hour, I thought I'd save him some time by finding out myself the name and contact information of your, or rather Wikipedia's attorney.

I've added an e-mail address in my Wiki account for you to send me this information directly instead of posting it here. Your collaboration will be mostly appreciated.

Thank you

Duhman0008 23:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Your recent edits could give other users the impression that you may consider legal or other 'off-wiki' action against them. Please note that this is strongly discouraged under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats are often blocked indefinitely until their legal case is withdrawn or resolved. Please try to keep a cool head and work positively with other editors. Thanks. ST47Talk 23:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
You're intimidating nobody, Duhman. You have no intention to back up that threat, and everybody knows it. It's a lost cause; just stop. Somebody is going to get really angry if you don't. - ¡Kribbeh!Speak!\Contribs 23:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Too funny!

I love your edit summary on the blocked "LunaSantin666." That made my day. Keep up the good work! Been catching lots of ca-ca today as well. No time to write anything here at work. - Lucky 6.9 23:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


Whois shows Google, I'm not sure if this is the googleplex or their web accelerator (which would be an WP:OP indef block) - can you clarify for me pls -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tawker (talkcontribs) 20 October 2006.


Firstly, nice work with CAT:RFU, in assisting users who don't understand process etc. Just as a FYI, for users who incorrectly use {{unblock}} when autoblocked (ie. they should have used {{unblock-auto}}), there is a template which provides all the information these people need to assist with getting them unblocked. It is {{autoblocked}}. I won't bother to give you the drill regarding subst-ing it - I'm sure you know already. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 12:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)