User talk:Mwanner/Archive 3

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Verplanck Colvin/Temp

Hi. Just curious if you still need the Verplanck Colvin/Temp page? It's showing up in a few categories which is distracting.  :) --Wknight94 (talk) 02:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

BTW, your little wikivacation message says 2005 so I'm assuming it's wrong... --Wknight94 (talk) 04:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Historical Photo Sources

One way of getting an old historical photo is find a book with a good print, use your trusty digital camera on it, and voila, a jpg. For example, there are only so many photos of Doc Holliday, Wyatt Earp, Big Nose Kate, and so on. The ones I want are from about 1870, and so far as I can tell, once published somewhere in a book are fair game for the web. Is that not true? Same for photos found on the web of these historial persons. Unless somebody has added some kind of proprietary background to their jpg to identify it as being from their own site (after they stole it from somebody ELSE) what's the problem with just lifting it? Sbharris 03:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Pine Barrens (New Jersey) images

I've re-uploaded all of the photographs you took on Pine Barrens (New Jersey) to the Wikimedia Commons under commons:Category:New Jersey Pine Barrens under "GFDL from English Wikipedia", to allow for linking with {{commonspar}} instead of a gallery on the article. æle 19:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Question About How You Found my Website

I am Oren, the webmaster of Oren's Transit Page. You linked to my website from the Mohonk Mountain House page you contributed to, which I thank you for doing. I was curious as to how you initially found my website? As you can guess, I visit Mohonk fairly often and love it there.

Additionally, in case you were not aware of this bit of Mohonk trivia, the hold music on their phone lines is a piece called "The Mountain House," written by Jay Ungar who is best known for writing the Ashokan Farewell that is heard on Ken Burns's Civil War Documentary on PBS.

You are free to respond to this query via e-mail. My address is on my website.

Thank you,


Talk:Pine Barrens (New Jersey)

Some helpful soul doesn't like the header; you may wish to join in. Septentrionalis 21:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging for Image:James_Otis.gif

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Wekiwa Springs State Park

Superb images. What camera/film do you use? Cheers Mikereichold 03:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


All heck is breaking loose at CA... remember your work on the state law templates? SPUI TFDed both of them. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Pine Meadow Lake.jpg

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. Shyam (T/C) 01:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

has also/is also

I just wanted to tell you why I reverted your edit on the Syracuse, New York page, in order to avoid any conflict, etc. My reason was that in the present context, the sentence refers to Syracuse itself as a convention center, rather than the Civic center (convention center) specifically; I believe this was done purposefully to include the Empire Expo Center as well. Thank you. -- Gizzakk 21:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Merging of the Alt versions of the CAFE templates

So there appears to be a plausible reason to have two forms of this template which was not taken into consideration during TfD. In light of this, I would say undo the merge. Alternatively, it is possible to have a single template with optional parameters, which might play the same role as the two former templates, but I don't know if it would require changing all existing articles that use these templates. Since you're familiar with these articles, just do what makes sense. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 19:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

In a nutshell, you can write {{bar|}} in a template, and bar will only get substituted if it's non-blank. There are a number of esoteric templates that use this feature. The simplest template programming construct to use would be {{qif}}. For a really complicated example with lots of alternative and optional parameters, look at {{cite book}}. Let me know if you need any help. Cheers, --MarkSweep (call me collect) 20:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

About automatic edit summaries

I've just recently started watching the helpdesk, but I bet you'd get better feedback on this (which I think is a good idea) over at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Confusing, eh? There are almost too many disjointed places to ask questions on this site. --Kickstart70·Talk 18:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC) Hello,

External links

When you "rv spam"'d a link at Clothes free movement, you didn't make the right revert. The link is still there, just broken. I would go in and correct or remove it, but I don't want to get involved at the moment. So, FYI. — Saxifrage 14:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Tents - Spam

I see you have removed ALL the external links from Tent. At least some of these are to non-commercial sites, and so should have remained. The ones which were to commercial sites were generally prefaced by an indication that this was the case - the main objective was to provide access to lots of pictures of different types and styles of tents. I'll watch this for your reply. Murray Langton 05:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted some of the links and provided better categorisation - see Talk:Tent for discussion Murray Langton 10:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
What led me to the Tent article was what I take to be the activity of a spammer; take a look.[1]. What led me to remove ALL of the ext links was that they were all commercial retail sites, and I could see no basis for choosing one over another. There are clearly too many links, and literally hundreds could easily be added.
I think that it is fair to say that Wikipedia tries to exclude commercial links in general. You are right in saying that the links provide "lots of pictures of different types and styles of tents", but I'm not comfortable saying that that justifies a free-for-all in external links. I think, as with so many other wikipedia articles, that we should be seeking out (or producing ourselves) free images to include in articles.
Wikipedia is not a collection of links. Anyone seeking commercial tent buying info can get reams of it by googling the word "tent"-- I don't see the value of us serving as a clearinghouse of online vendors. Over the next year, I think I could easily create a dozen or more free images of tent designs, and I assume that you and others could help in that effort. With that work done, would you agree that no commercial links are needed? -- Mwanner | Talk 12:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Sure, once we can get a reasonable selection of pictures and/or drawings then I would be quite happy to remove the commercial links which are selling tents etc. online. I think that the links to tent manufacturers without any online sales facility could be left for a bit longer perhaps. I don't have a digital camera but I'll keep an eye out for public-domain pictures. Murray Langton 13:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I have added a couple of images that I had handy-- others will take longer to come by. -- Mwanner | Talk 12:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Old photographs and Art images

I know the work you're doing has to be done, and almost all of it deals with images that really have to go. But I find a smattering of pre-1923 photographs and artwork that was painted by artists who have been dead 50 or more years, that is only lacking a source (and sometimes has been mistagged). I have had a fair amount of success finding sources for such work, and restoring them to their articles. It would be easier to do before your bot does its thing than after, though, so if you notice that you're dealing with such images, could you leave me a note and give me a day or two before you pull the trigger and let me see if I can save us both some trouble? TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 00:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

If I see any, I'll let you know. However, the bot's work is almost entirely automated, and I don't look at more than a couple percent of the images it deals with. You'd have better luck talking to the people who do most of the tagging, such as at Wikipedia:Untagged images. --Carnildo 02:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


"I took the liberty of creating a cropped version of your Image:Trinity_college_front_square.jpg with slightly heightened contrast. It is at Image:Trinity_college_front_square_cropped.jpg and used in College#Ireland. Hope you don't mind."

That's fine. Thanks for letting me know! --Jason (talk) 10:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bob Newman revert

Yes, I did. I also made a comment on the talk page there. --ZsinjTalk 00:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, that sounds good to me. I'll add the page to my watchlist so I can work on it later. --ZsinjTalk 00:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Fourteeners--spam revert

I see that you removed the Interactive map of Colorado fourteeners link from the Fourteener page. I assume that this looked like spam from a commercial site. However if you look at the site, even though it is .com, it has very little if any commercial content, and the actual link is a useful and noncommercial adjunct to the content of the Wikipedia article. So I think the link is appropriate. Comments? -- Spireguy 21:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I removed it because the guy who posted it posted it to nine different pages in 13 minutes this morning Special:Contributions/ That's spamming. (It is also one of the slowest-loading pages I've ever seen.) Given that there are already six external links giving similar info (some of which probably ought to be deleted also), I don't see why we need this one. -- Mwanner | Talk 21:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
It's true that the other links provide similar info, so I don't think it's crucial to keep it. And I don't claim to be an expert in Wiki ettiquette, but I do think "spamming" is a little harsh; all of the links are relevant to their respective pages, and there is no suggestion that the links were put in for commercial gain. Is it always "spamming" if someone puts in lots of relevant external links very efficiently? I ask as a relative newcomer to WP. -- Spireguy 22:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The {{spam}} template reads: "Please do not add commercial links (or links to your own private websites) to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. See the welcome page to learn more. Thanks. "
One problem is that a lot of people want to increase the page hits on their pages, for whatever reason (including the idea of selling ads once they get some decent traffic). But the real issue is that we want good articles, not so-so articles with a dozen links to more so-so (or even good) articles, which may or may not stay available, may or may not stay good, may or may not end up larded with ads. And most of all, the article-plus-links model will not be as useful to our readers as integrating the content into one source. -- Mwanner | Talk 23:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Category talk:History of the United States/U.S. History map

No objection to deletion - probably should be done through MfD. Cheers! BD2412 T 23:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Absolutely right, except of readability in some cases. Stepp-Wulf 01:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC).


Almost all instances of the use of eponymous that I've seen are as vocabulary assistive links, to provide the reader with a definition for an unfamiliar word, rather than for exploration of the larger concept of eponymy. In those cases where it appears that the editor intends to provide a definition to an unfamiliar term, a link to Wiktionary is appropriate, in my opinion. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, I guess I'll buy that. I'm tempted, though, to add a link from the Wiktionary entry to the Wikipedia article. Any idea if any policy prohibits such a link? -- Mwanner | Talk 15:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging

Actually, the image you tagged {{PD-US}} about two hours ago was Image:James Calhoun of Atlanta.jpg. If the tag had been there, I wouldn't have deleted it. Angr (talkcontribs) 20:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


Hi! It was nice to hear that someone shares with me this impression that most American think that universe revolves around the US, Canada being their main satellite. The Britishmen? Simply think that only momentarily universe does not revolve around the British Islands. Simply a note: the thing about specifying nationality is stated in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style guideline page. If we want to write a serious encyclopedia (apart remove articles about stupid US TV shows, but this is another matter) we should try to follow the same rules. Thanks anyway!Attilios 22:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


Okay -- I remember looking for an official page in the past, but couldn't find one, so I settled for the chamber of commerce page as the next best thing. Evidently, I must have overlooked How about linking to that instead? --Qviri (talk) 14:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

linked date (Washington, D.C.)

In American English, dates with years have two commmas, as in September 11, 2001, was a momentous day. (copied from Comma (punctuation)). Generally, articles with topics related to US or Canada have dates written in that format (please read WP:MOSDATE#Date formats related to topics). Thanks, AndyZ t 23:27, 24 April 2006 (UTC)



Mwanner, thank you very much for reverting’s edit on Goldfish. QuizQuick 03:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page! - Trysha (talk) 07:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Low Bridge Redirect

I changed it because I am about to put it up for deletion and I don't know how yet. Currently it's a double redirect, Erie Canal Song to Low Bridge and vice versa. If you know how to fix this, please do. Thanks, Lisa Lisa 15:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Frame House redirect

I changed the redirect because the original version ([2]) wasn't properly formatted. The pound sign has to go before "REDIRECT" (#REDIRECT vs. REDIRECT#) for the redirect to work properly. NatusRoma | Talk 22:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

from User:Dogtoyco

What has it got to do with you? i dont see why you think you have any importance on this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogtoyco (talkcontribs)

moved from top of page:
So basicly absolutly nothing, you just live on here to anoy people.
most of the links im adding are non profit..... how it not with in wiki rules it costs money to run but has 0 return. is currently non profit.
Also your telling me any commertial links in wiki can be edited out by me and no one will remove my changes?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogtoyco (talkcontribs)

A tool for leaving warning messages

Hi. I noticed that you actively revert vandalism to articles. Thanks!! I also noticed that in at least one case (Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki) you didn't leave a warning message on the vandal's talk page. I think it's important to leave messages in almost every instance of even the most minor inappropriate edits for these (and probably other) reasons:

  • People just test-editing can be directed to the sandbox where they won't corrupt real articles.
  • Mischievious newcomers may stop if their first edits result in a polite request to behave.
  • Sysops can more quickly ban more serious vandals if they've already been warned a few times.

Leaving lots of messages can be tedious, even with the templates documented at Wikipedia:Vandalism. So I've made some vandal-warning tools that are explained at User:Kbh3rd/Vandal_warning_toolbox. A list of warnings can be added to that toolbox menu on the left whenever a user talk page is being edited so that the proper warning message is only a click away. You might like to try it out.

Thanks again for your help! --Kbh3rdtalk 15:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Responded to your reply on my talk page. Thanks. --Kbh3rdtalk 03:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Claim

Excuse me, but I think you're mistaken. I deleted two instances of vandalism on the Industrial Revolution page, and I was not the one who caused them.

Pig's Eye Reversion?

I see that, in the Saint Paul, MN article, you reverted a piece about Pig's Eye Parrant and the founding of the city.

Just curious - why? The story is generally-accepted, and wasn't vandalism (unless I missed something).

Mitchberg 15:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Surplus store

I'm of mixed feelings about the ==See also== section of Surplus store, but I'm curious why you left the two other store links while removing Galaxy. Granted, Galaxy has linkspammed a slew of articles, but looking at this one article, it seems to me that they should either all stay or all go. I initially took them out while cleaning up spam, mistaking them for external links, and them put them back when I realised they were links to articles. Not a big deal either way, but I was curious. -- Mwanner | Talk 11:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a toss-up, but I think that the link was added as linkspam (even though it's an internal link), and in any case the article's probably going to be deleted shortly. Stifle (talk) 18:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from editing another editor's talk contributions. It is considered inappropriate. Regards. NetK 17:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:George Washington

First, I want to thank you for reverting the vandalism done to the George Washington article. Enlight of this I would like you to comment on the discuss I start on the talk pages entitle Fully Protected. Please read my statements carefully and voice your opinon. Thanks for everything!--(Steve 19:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC))

External links

I don't want to step on anyone's toes by adding "too many" external links. However, many of the articles that I have added links to have no images/poor quality images/nearly no information. Adding links to the Bioimages website is a fast way to help users be able to "see" the plant/ecosystem that the article is about (and it is a reference, not a commercial website).

I considered uploading some images directly into the articles. However, I didn't do that because I think the terms of use of Wikipedia are incompatable with those of Bioimages ( Although the images in the Bioimages website are freely available for educational and personal use, they aren't public domain. I am glad that you didn't remove the links because I would have been very upset at the hours I've spent adding them for (what I consider) the good of Wikipedians.

I hope I edited this "talk" right - I haven't done it before.


Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D. Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences Nashville, Tennessee, USA Steve Baskauf 16:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding The John Cooper School

The proper name should be "The John Cooper School" since "The" is a part of the school's legal name. WhisperToMe 03:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I guess I buy that-- the "running text" rule is messy to apply in Cooper's case, as not only is "The" dropped in running text, but "John" is dropped as well. I'm sorry I moved it without discussion; I don't know what I was thinking. PS-- what do you think about moving Kinkaid? -- Mwanner | Talk 12:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Flight planning/archive2

You've done such a good job on tidying up my article on Tents, so could I draw your attention to another article on which I am requesting peer review. Murray Langton 09:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Pet frog

Working on the article, I recovered it from a revert, and it is becoming an actual article. Thanks. Look it over and help out. Dominick (TALK) 02:04, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Well a certain amount of "how to" is acceptable, this is about frogs and keeping frogs. Look at Marine aquarium, after we add a chunk of information this can be a pretty decent article. Dominick (TALK) 02:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


Vandalize? first of all, that really happened. Second of all, you have TOO MUCH FREE TIME! HOLY CRAP i posted that about 20 seconds before i saw that you took it down i really feel bad for you — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:DanBC08 (talkcontribs)

I am sitting in my high school with a laptop and wireless internet, bored out of my mind. Where are you?

No, tha is no fun at all, i dont get to mention tigers, and i dont even get to have fun. Research = gay. i dont enjoy researching. I enjoy making people laugh, making myself laugh, having fun in times i usually dont, and ejoying life. So care about what you think i should do in my free time. you're weird

Basketball vandalism

I have struck out the warning you left at User talk:AEMoreira042281 if you look at this you can see he was trying to repair the vandalism done by an anon. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Robert Moses

Robert Moses was originally the New York STATE Parks Commissioner (hence why he is prominently associated with several upstate projects). The source is a map in Caro's Pulitzer Prize winning biography.Americasroof 14:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Vestax borderline-spam in Gramophone record

Had an edit conflict... I was toning down the entry at the same time as you were removing it. I do think it's interesting enough to go in the article, with the company name and price not explicitly mentioned. To suggest a $9000 device for "experienced professional users" as being suitable for "personal" recordings is quite a stretch, and the company's own description suggests strongly to me that skill and experience are required for good results.

If you remove it again I won't revert, but as I say I think it's interesting and relevant to the article. I am not the editor who inserted it originally. Dpbsmith (talk) 20:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe

Thank you for your contributions to Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe. Some edits have been made to the article in order to bring it in harmony with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Please familiarize yourself with the guidelines shown there. All edits that don't comply with these guidelines are changed to match what our MoS recommends. Please don't remove Wikilinks on dates, as this lets Mediawiki's date formatting work properly. See the Manual of Style. A1kmm 12:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Harry S. Truman

Looks good? Even the part about having rough sex with New Deal funds? [3] ;-) Sneaky, that. It looks like that article's been having quite a day, so no surprise that a couple of bad edits slipped through. Cheers, FreplySpang (talk) 20:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the version I reverted was oddly redundant: "At the war's conclusion, Truman returned to Independence and married his longtime love interest, Bess Wallace, who he married..." FreplySpang (talk) 20:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Help me!

Hello! I'm a Persian Wikipedian and I wanna build a robot, but I like to build a one in English Wikipedia. So Can you help to make a bot step by step??? Thanks a lot! --MehranVB 16:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Warning templates on other's reverts

I don't know how common it is for an editor who has reverted a vandalism to not put a warning template on that vandal's page, but if you see vandalism that is reverted by me, know that I will follow up. It's confusing when I go to add a warning and there's an edit conflict over the same vandalism. Thanks... WesleyPinkham 19:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem, thanks for the clarification. Happy editing. ••\\/\//esleyPinkha//\/\\•• 21:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

External links are spam?

I added a link to my website Houdini Lives! on the Houdini page and it was deleted as "spam." Was it really spam? I think it's an excellent resource for current Houdini news, new book and DVD releases, etc. But I see there are no links whatsoever on the Houdini page -- are all links are considered spam on this page? Odd, because I think links to websites that provide information beyond what's offered on Wikipedia is not such a bad thing to include on a page. Just my two cents. Thanks. --Zencato 16:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for explaining the rules on posting links, Mwanner. I'm new to all this so I'm still learning. Thanks again. --Zencato 23:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Accidental blanking of user talk page?...

Hey. Looks like you accidentally deleted a bunch of warnings by other users here. Just letting you know...

-- N3X15  ( Scream · Contribs)  19:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


It's actually not vandalism to blank a talk page in order to remove inapproriate messages. Do we want Jew haters to come to wikipedia because some psycho talks about how he hates Jews on a talk page? 02:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

response at User talk:

You falsely accused someone of doing a puff piece, then someone proved you wrong by showing that it was taken from another site. I was removing your claim and what proved your claim wrong. 05:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

response at User talk:

Your accusation was made without any facts to back it up. 18:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

response at User talk:

Reverted vandalism on your user page

Just a note to let you know that I reverted this edit on your user page. It appear that you've had issues with Faith death before. -- backburner001 17:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)