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- Thanks Piotrus. I love kittens! I have three gatitos, or more truthfully I serve three. :) I do truly try to focus on what improves the encyclopedia. I'm not remotely interested in adding a bunch of bios on porn stars or women who drink tea, but I do think that there are thousands of notable women out there who have not been written back into history. I just keep chipping away, trying to add the best sourced articles I can create and help along the way. And I rely on the input and help of those who will collaborate to not only improve them but discuss them :) SusunW (talk) 14:54, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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World Conference on Women, 1975
I do think you captured an international perspective on the World Conference on Women, 1975. It's dismaying to see so many redlinks. Should I add them to appropriate lists or have you already got them listed? Great writing and work as always! :D Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sue Adding them to the appropriate lists would be great! I added a few, certainly not all. I am about done with the second conference and would appreciate your input on it too. SusunW (talk) 18:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Cool. I'll add them to the lists & I'm happy to look at the next conference article, also. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sue you totally rock! Here's the next one. World Conference on Women, 1980 SusunW (talk) 18:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- I think this one is even more "international" in scope. I really enjoyed learning about the politics behind the scenes. It's tragic, though, to think that many of the problems (Palestine, for example) are STILL ongoing. Why do humans let this happen? I added the redlinks to the lists, too. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Sue. Yes, I thought it important to put the issues in historic context. Without the background, it is hard to see why things happened as they did. I think I would've been frustrated with the focus being shifted away from how those world events impacted women, since the conferences were after all supposed to be about integrating women. All of the problems they covered seem to still be ongoing. *sigh* We learn so slowly. It will take me several days to finish the 3rd one. Looks like the 1995 one is already done, but I think it should be renamed. If you are interested in weighing in on that Talk:Fourth World Conference on Women#Renaming page SusunW (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sue I finally got the last one done World Conference on Women, 1985. I think I am going to post them on the WIR talk page to see if anyone can help with adding delegates, etc. SusunW (talk) 17:47, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Coolness. I'll take a look and add any people to the redlists. The 1975 article did mention a Norse feminist group, maybe Ipigott would be interested in working on it? He speaks Norse right? There's a picture for the group, too and an article on no.wiki. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- You know what I wonder? Do they do any more of these after the 90s, or did we already solve all the problems? :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sue ummmm yeah, they solved food and water insecurity, developmental issues, violence against women, unequal pay, unbalanced legal protection ... o.0 not. Apparently no further conferences have been held. [1] And yes, I thought Ian might be interested in that group, but he's been pretty busy lately. SusunW (talk) 20:34, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- LOL! Well, people on Twitter have told me that there's no need for feminism anymore, so one can assume the UN conferences did solve all the problems women face. ;) I thought Ipigott might be busy, too. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sue ummmm yeah, they solved food and water insecurity, developmental issues, violence against women, unequal pay, unbalanced legal protection ... o.0 not. Apparently no further conferences have been held. [1] And yes, I thought Ian might be interested in that group, but he's been pretty busy lately. SusunW (talk) 20:34, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- You know what I wonder? Do they do any more of these after the 90s, or did we already solve all the problems? :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Coolness. I'll take a look and add any people to the redlists. The 1975 article did mention a Norse feminist group, maybe Ipigott would be interested in working on it? He speaks Norse right? There's a picture for the group, too and an article on no.wiki. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sue I finally got the last one done World Conference on Women, 1985. I think I am going to post them on the WIR talk page to see if anyone can help with adding delegates, etc. SusunW (talk) 17:47, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Sue. Yes, I thought it important to put the issues in historic context. Without the background, it is hard to see why things happened as they did. I think I would've been frustrated with the focus being shifted away from how those world events impacted women, since the conferences were after all supposed to be about integrating women. All of the problems they covered seem to still be ongoing. *sigh* We learn so slowly. It will take me several days to finish the 3rd one. Looks like the 1995 one is already done, but I think it should be renamed. If you are interested in weighing in on that Talk:Fourth World Conference on Women#Renaming page SusunW (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- I think this one is even more "international" in scope. I really enjoyed learning about the politics behind the scenes. It's tragic, though, to think that many of the problems (Palestine, for example) are STILL ongoing. Why do humans let this happen? I added the redlinks to the lists, too. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sue you totally rock! Here's the next one. World Conference on Women, 1980 SusunW (talk) 18:39, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Cool. I'll add them to the lists & I'm happy to look at the next conference article, also. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sue Adding them to the appropriate lists would be great! I added a few, certainly not all. I am about done with the second conference and would appreciate your input on it too. SusunW (talk) 18:22, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you both for all your efforts on the conferences. When you say "Norse", you probably mean Norwegian. I have in fact written a number of articles on women's organizations in Norway and their main participants but I haven't yet covered Norske Kvinners Nasjonalråd which was formed as an umbrella organization representing the various women's associations with a view to participation at the international level. I'll try to put something together today. I see we already have an article on Norwegian Association for Women's Rights but it needs referencing. I'll try to do something about that too.--Ipigott (talk) 06:28, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yay! Thanks Ipigott If you run across any of the other delegates to the conferences I would love to add them. I suspect that if we knew who they were, we would be able to find articles on them, but short of searching in every language for the conferences, I had no idea how to find them since the official documents don't mention their names. I'd also love photos, but... no clues SusunW (talk) 13:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- The World Conferences on Women you are referring to seem to be a series which began in 1975 in Mexico. But there were many much earlier meetings hosted by the International Council of Women. There were conferences in 1888 (Washington D.C.), 1894 (Berlin), 1899 (London) and 1904 (Berlin) when the International Woman Suffrage Alliance was established. Their congresses followed in Copenhagen (1906), Amsterdam (1908), London (1909), Stockholm (1911) and Budapest (1913). It might be worthwhile tracing the history of all of these too, including their participants. Records certainly exist.--Ipigott (talk) 16:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yes Ipigott the ones I did were related to the UN. The redlinks for the IWSA conferences are listed here at the bottom of the page [2] 1-8 were previously completed, they start at #9. SusunW (talk) 16:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry for the misunderstanding, SusunW. I was simply trying to indicate that there must be lots of other sources which give the names of women who participated in these early conferences. I've already come across a number of sources which mention several of them. See for example [3], [4], etc. These sources give the names of many of the women who took part in the meetings as well as the names of all the participating organizations. There are very short EN Wikipedia articles on several of them but I'm surprised that coverage of the presidents has not been more carefully researched. The unfortunate thing about WiR is that we concentrate on red links rather than the need to extend coverage of important developments and individuals in the history of women's organizations. Another problem with all this is that helpful categorization is sadly lacking. There's always so much more to do any so little time in which to do it.--Ipigott (talk) 21:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Finally Megalibrarygirl, to get back to where we started, I've written a short stub on Anna Louise Beer who was Norway's rep at the 1975 conference. Unfortunately there was not much about her on the internet but there must be much more in her published memoires of the NKN (Norwegian National Women's Council). Unfortunately it's in Norwegian. For information on Norwegian reps at the following conferences, I'll have to see what I can find.--Ipigott (talk) 11:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ipigott:, I'm glad you were able to work on that one! I was excited that there was a photo, too. I had a feeling, too, that Norse wasn't the correct word and I apologize about my ignorance. I'm glad I have such awesome people to work with to help me see the difference. I wonder now where I get the idea of Norse from? Probably American media. ;) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Megalibrarygirl and Ipigott: Sorry for my slow responses. I am still having internet issues. Been a week. Technician spent 2 hours here today and now thinks there is a problem with their main system. *sigh* I cannot access either of your sources Ian, but that is the beauty of collaboration ;) And I agree that one of the big issues is adequate coverage of developments and integration. It's one of the reasons I decided to write all of the conferences, because they clearly were linked and built upon each other. With the Little Entente of Women, I searched in all six languages and tried to integrate as many women as I could link to the organization. It's not easy. Thank you both for your help. SusunW (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- I've been reading your accounts of the UN conferences, Susun. Remarkable work. Hope your technical problems will soon be resolved. Megalibrarygirl: Easy to be confused about Norse and Norwegian. Old Norse was in fact the original Scandinavian language which led to Norwegian, Swedish and Danish. Today's Icelandic is the language which most closely resembles it. While I'm here, your interest in inventors encouraged me to put together a List of women innovators and inventors by country. Still working on it but it's coming along quite well.--Ipigott (talk) 20:15, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ipigott:, holler if you want a hand with the list. It's good to finally know the difference between Norse and Norwegian, too. :D Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:07, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Megalibrarygirl: I've finished my work on the list for the time being but you are of course welcome to make any further additions.--Ipigott (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ipigott:, holler if you want a hand with the list. It's good to finally know the difference between Norse and Norwegian, too. :D Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:07, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- I've been reading your accounts of the UN conferences, Susun. Remarkable work. Hope your technical problems will soon be resolved. Megalibrarygirl: Easy to be confused about Norse and Norwegian. Old Norse was in fact the original Scandinavian language which led to Norwegian, Swedish and Danish. Today's Icelandic is the language which most closely resembles it. While I'm here, your interest in inventors encouraged me to put together a List of women innovators and inventors by country. Still working on it but it's coming along quite well.--Ipigott (talk) 20:15, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Megalibrarygirl and Ipigott: Sorry for my slow responses. I am still having internet issues. Been a week. Technician spent 2 hours here today and now thinks there is a problem with their main system. *sigh* I cannot access either of your sources Ian, but that is the beauty of collaboration ;) And I agree that one of the big issues is adequate coverage of developments and integration. It's one of the reasons I decided to write all of the conferences, because they clearly were linked and built upon each other. With the Little Entente of Women, I searched in all six languages and tried to integrate as many women as I could link to the organization. It's not easy. Thank you both for your help. SusunW (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Ipigott:, I'm glad you were able to work on that one! I was excited that there was a photo, too. I had a feeling, too, that Norse wasn't the correct word and I apologize about my ignorance. I'm glad I have such awesome people to work with to help me see the difference. I wonder now where I get the idea of Norse from? Probably American media. ;) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yes Ipigott the ones I did were related to the UN. The redlinks for the IWSA conferences are listed here at the bottom of the page [2] 1-8 were previously completed, they start at #9. SusunW (talk) 16:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- The World Conferences on Women you are referring to seem to be a series which began in 1975 in Mexico. But there were many much earlier meetings hosted by the International Council of Women. There were conferences in 1888 (Washington D.C.), 1894 (Berlin), 1899 (London) and 1904 (Berlin) when the International Woman Suffrage Alliance was established. Their congresses followed in Copenhagen (1906), Amsterdam (1908), London (1909), Stockholm (1911) and Budapest (1913). It might be worthwhile tracing the history of all of these too, including their participants. Records certainly exist.--Ipigott (talk) 16:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yay! Thanks Ipigott If you run across any of the other delegates to the conferences I would love to add them. I suspect that if we knew who they were, we would be able to find articles on them, but short of searching in every language for the conferences, I had no idea how to find them since the official documents don't mention their names. I'd also love photos, but... no clues SusunW (talk) 13:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Thank you so much ComputerJA I try really hard to write comprehensive articles on women and minorities. SusunW (talk) 14:20, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Lists on organizations and conferences
In connection with your interest in organizations, Susun, I've been trying to improve the List of women's organizations and have created a List of women's conferences. As a result of poor categorization, many of my additions are based on tedious searches. I think I have now found the majority of pertinent articles on Wikipedia but you might be able to improve the lists by adding short descriptive information if you think it necessary. Please also add any items I've missed. I must say I had not realized there were so many interesting women's organizations. It's been really useful to focus on them this month.--Ipigott (talk) 12:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
- I'll be glad to see what I can do with it Ipigott SusunW (talk) 15:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
- Don't spend too much time on it. Pick out the more important organizations and conferences you think deserve attention.--Ipigott (talk) 15:22, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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- LOL Another Believer I have been a misspelling my whole life. First and last name are apparently impossible ;) SusunW (talk) 15:12, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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Oops my bad
I moved Florence Terry Griswold from American Ranchers to Ranchers from Texas before I realized you had moved your article. You can move it back if you like...sorry! Great article. dawnleelynn(talk) 15:42, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn Thank you so much! I actually searched for American Ranchers from Texas and wasn't able to find a category :) I really wish I could have found more about her career. She obviously was very well known, but apparently there was no newspaper where her ranches are. I though maybe some ranching journals might have more information, but I have no access to same here in Mexico. My thought was to get her on-line in hopes that someone can improve it and since I know Montanabw has lots of American west followers, I figured posting on her page might help. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- That's great! montanabw has many talk page stalkers, of which I am one. I only started seriously editing in October 2016, and she has been mentoring me since then. I don't know what I would have done without her. Actually, yes I have been living in Cheyenne for quite awhile now. I've been working on mostly articles in rodeo. But there were some articles on ranchers that had been categorized in the rodeo area so I did some work moving them into ranching. And I was just moving a bunch around from a main category into their individual states and hit yours in the process. Glad it helped! When I get a chance this week, I will take a closer look at the article. FYI, I have trouble finding sources myself for some of the older subjects I write about. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:11, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn Montanabw was my first mentor on WP too. I always say if it hadn't been for her guidance I would have given up after my first couple of articles. She's a jewel. Research is my strong suit, so if you ever need help I will be more than glad to try. The biggest issue is that searches from different IPs will give different results and access to some articles is restricted because copyright laws vary when you cross borders. One of the many reasons it is good to build a group of people to collaborate with. I mostly write about women, indigenous peoples and minorities, which I studied for many years. A long time ago, I grew up in Oklahoma, so am fairly well versed in western themes. SusunW (talk) 16:24, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- I swear montanabw knows everyone around here, lol. I would love to have more collaborators. I'm sure I wouldn't be here if it weren't for her. I will probably take you up on that research offer. I would be happy to collaborate in other ways too. I may only be an editor for a little over seven months, but I've been a technical writer for about 20 years. It is taking me some time to get my writing to fit into the constraints of writing on WP. For example, writing with constraints of inline citations and a manual of style that beats to a different drummer sometimes. But I'm getting there slowly. I see a progression in my articles. In fact, I am now going back to the older ones and improving them now that I know so much more. Also, White Arabian Filly, who is another talk page stalker who has helped me a lot, has some good research sources. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn in-line citations aren't so difficult for me as a historian, but the technical stuff of how to code them is insane. I am a writer and researcher *not* a technician or programmer. It frustrates me to no end that we have to code stuff. But...I finally figured out that for me, harv referencing works best. I find having the citations in the text makes it hard to "read" and edit, thus having short little templates for in-line citations for me, is much simpler. Took me forever to learn how to do it and it still makes me crazy to have to convert the references after-the-fact, but I am OCD enough that I do it if I am doing more than just adding a bit of info here or there. But...to each their own. And, as I am sure Montanabw has told you, stealing stuff is beneficial. If you like the way someone does something, copy their formatting. I personally think searching on WP is hard and not conducive to finding the info you need on how to edit, so finding a circle of people who you can ask is imperative ;) SusunW (talk) 17:12, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- I swear montanabw knows everyone around here, lol. I would love to have more collaborators. I'm sure I wouldn't be here if it weren't for her. I will probably take you up on that research offer. I would be happy to collaborate in other ways too. I may only be an editor for a little over seven months, but I've been a technical writer for about 20 years. It is taking me some time to get my writing to fit into the constraints of writing on WP. For example, writing with constraints of inline citations and a manual of style that beats to a different drummer sometimes. But I'm getting there slowly. I see a progression in my articles. In fact, I am now going back to the older ones and improving them now that I know so much more. Also, White Arabian Filly, who is another talk page stalker who has helped me a lot, has some good research sources. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn Montanabw was my first mentor on WP too. I always say if it hadn't been for her guidance I would have given up after my first couple of articles. She's a jewel. Research is my strong suit, so if you ever need help I will be more than glad to try. The biggest issue is that searches from different IPs will give different results and access to some articles is restricted because copyright laws vary when you cross borders. One of the many reasons it is good to build a group of people to collaborate with. I mostly write about women, indigenous peoples and minorities, which I studied for many years. A long time ago, I grew up in Oklahoma, so am fairly well versed in western themes. SusunW (talk) 16:24, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- That's great! montanabw has many talk page stalkers, of which I am one. I only started seriously editing in October 2016, and she has been mentoring me since then. I don't know what I would have done without her. Actually, yes I have been living in Cheyenne for quite awhile now. I've been working on mostly articles in rodeo. But there were some articles on ranchers that had been categorized in the rodeo area so I did some work moving them into ranching. And I was just moving a bunch around from a main category into their individual states and hit yours in the process. Glad it helped! When I get a chance this week, I will take a closer look at the article. FYI, I have trouble finding sources myself for some of the older subjects I write about. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:11, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn Thank you so much! I actually searched for American Ranchers from Texas and wasn't able to find a category :) I really wish I could have found more about her career. She obviously was very well known, but apparently there was no newspaper where her ranches are. I though maybe some ranching journals might have more information, but I have no access to same here in Mexico. My thought was to get her on-line in hopes that someone can improve it and since I know Montanabw has lots of American west followers, I figured posting on her page might help. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I did not explain what I meant well. I meant when you have many sources you are using. Then writing the article around those sources' citations is constraining when you are using to writing freestyle. I cannot just write. I have to write and be aware of the sources and what text I am putting where. I can end up with a paragraph sometimes that each sentence comes from a different source. For example, especially when I am writing about a bull's ancestry like in Bones See Background, second paragraph. As far as the technical stuff, that's no issue for me. I worked as a software documentation specialist in software companies most of the time. Even did some coding myself from time to time. Although I have found occasions when the Visual Source Editor is actually faster to use, like when entering data into tables. And when doing copy edits, I like sometimes working in the Visual Source Editor too so I can see just the text without all the markup. Oh yeah, montanabw points me to other things to learn and copy from all the time. I just found a great way to format long lists of awards and honors myself recently. For bulls and bull riders, which are different than halls of fame lists. See Jim Shoulders Honors section. Agreed on can be difficult searching things on WP policies and style. I have a cheat list I keep for the things I use the most. I see all your articles, don't think I won't be looking for things to "steal." dawnleelynn(talk) 17:52, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn LOL, OMG we are twins! "I can end up with a paragraph sometimes that each sentence comes from a different source"--I often have pieces of sentences that come from 2 or 3 sources, not to even mention paragraphs. For example, right now I have 8 tabs of different sources open. Drives my husband crazy. But I backtrack data to make sure that it isn't just a one-off opinion. No visual editor for me. I know how to work around the system I use, technology is both a blessing and a curse. SusunW (talk) 18:02, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- That is way cool! I do want to open more tabs than my computer resources can handle sometimes, lol. And yes, I say use whatever tools and methods work for you. Real life is calling for a bit now, but I look forward to more collaboration for sure! Speaking of working on women, I just finished citing a bunch of awards for Loretta Lynn's awards topic that someone else added in the last table there. And added some missing Grammys. She's definitely a role model to me. I mention this because she is the first article I ever edited a year and a half ago. Then a year later I came back to fix something. And ping, montanabw created a talk page for me and hit me with a welcome. And here I am still. So, I am ahead on time here versus edits because I built up a year while not doing anything with the account, lol. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:47, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- Hi SusunW. I did do a little searching on Griswold. But I truthfully do not have any special Western sources I use. Believe me, I wish I did as I cannot find some sources on some older hall of fame bulls I am looking for. I applied for the newspaper archives days ago, and am still awaiting approval. I did find four sources for Griswold that I thought were interesting, but they are not newspaper sources which it appears are all you are using in your article. I wish I could be more helpful. I would think there should be a least something more about her ranching. If I think of something else to try, I will let you know. dawnleelynn(talk) 17:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn I use newspapers a lot because they are one of the few sources available for historic women, but honestly, any source that is reliable is welcome. If I had access to other sources, I'd use them. SusunW (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Ok, I added three possible sources to your article's talk page, I will add more there and notify if I find anything else. I don't know if you can access them? I am going to see if I can find any kind of more Western type of sources. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- dawnleelynn I use newspapers a lot because they are one of the few sources available for historic women, but honestly, any source that is reliable is welcome. If I had access to other sources, I'd use them. SusunW (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Hi SusunW. I did do a little searching on Griswold. But I truthfully do not have any special Western sources I use. Believe me, I wish I did as I cannot find some sources on some older hall of fame bulls I am looking for. I applied for the newspaper archives days ago, and am still awaiting approval. I did find four sources for Griswold that I thought were interesting, but they are not newspaper sources which it appears are all you are using in your article. I wish I could be more helpful. I would think there should be a least something more about her ranching. If I think of something else to try, I will let you know. dawnleelynn(talk) 17:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- That is way cool! I do want to open more tabs than my computer resources can handle sometimes, lol. And yes, I say use whatever tools and methods work for you. Real life is calling for a bit now, but I look forward to more collaboration for sure! Speaking of working on women, I just finished citing a bunch of awards for Loretta Lynn's awards topic that someone else added in the last table there. And added some missing Grammys. She's definitely a role model to me. I mention this because she is the first article I ever edited a year and a half ago. Then a year later I came back to fix something. And ping, montanabw created a talk page for me and hit me with a welcome. And here I am still. So, I am ahead on time here versus edits because I built up a year while not doing anything with the account, lol. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:47, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
This kitten is here to say thank you for creating a lot of content on stuff that is affected by systemic bias and similar issues. Keep it up!
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- Thanks Piotrus! Maybe someday we'll manage a balance, but in the mean time, I enjoy learning about those I write about. And, I adore cats. (I have three rescues). SusunW (talk) 05:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Nina Simonovich-Efimova
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Nina Simonovich-Efimova you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sabine's Sunbird -- Sabine's Sunbird (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Susun, I expect you would like to follow up on most of these recommendations yourself but if you need any help, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 09:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Let me see what I can do Ian. Trust me, I'll holler if I need help. SusunW (talk) 12:35, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- It's passed now, well done :) My only follow up is that you listed it as a world history page, so I have listed it there, but you may want to move it to Wikipedia:Good articles/Art and architecture instead. Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:35, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Nina Simonovich-Efimova
The article Nina Simonovich-Efimova you nominated as a good article has passed 
; see Talk:Nina Simonovich-Efimova for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sabine's Sunbird -- Sabine's Sunbird (talk) 02:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Once again, Susun, you've made an excellent biography of a really interesting woman from Eastern Europe, drawing on sources in various Eastern European languages. I continue to be impressed by your systematic use of machine translation and the trouble you go to in double-checking the results you obtain.--Ipigott (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you Ian. I honestly can not adequately express how very much your help and encouragement is appreciated. I am making slow, but steady progress through Parnok and am hoping that once it is done (I'll tell you when, it's still quite a mess) you will give it a serious, critical edit. SusunW (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Sophia Parnok seems to be coming on very well. My only suggestion at this stage is that it would be good to see if there are other reliable sources.--Ipigott (talk) 17:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Well it is interesting. Burgin certainly appears to be the person who has written about her most in English (7 sources by her so far). I cannot find translations of any of Polyakova's work. Most of the Russian sources appear to be rehashes of Burgin. I did find a source by Pakhomova that I will work in when I get to the part on Tsuberbiller and Vedeneyeva and I just found a source written by Eugenia Gertsyk, which I used to help with Erarskaya's bio, that may have usable information. Part of the reason I have been working on the "other women" in her life was to try to expand the available sourcing. SusunW (talk) 20:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Sophia Parnok seems to be coming on very well. My only suggestion at this stage is that it would be good to see if there are other reliable sources.--Ipigott (talk) 17:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you Ian. I honestly can not adequately express how very much your help and encouragement is appreciated. I am making slow, but steady progress through Parnok and am hoping that once it is done (I'll tell you when, it's still quite a mess) you will give it a serious, critical edit. SusunW (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Frieda Fraser
The article Frieda Fraser you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Frieda Fraser for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sabine's Sunbird -- Sabine's Sunbird (talk) 05:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Congrats! Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you! Sabine's Sunbird. Totally appreciate that you did this one, as it's Pride Month. I really appreciate you comments on it, though I must admit, I have zero clue how to do a FA. Barely getting the hang of GA, but she makes the 14th I've worked on. I don't suppose that you would want to look at my nomination that has been pending for 2 months on Nina Simonovich-Efimova? SusunW (talk) 13:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- I think with 14 GAs under your belt you have more experience than most. FAC is mostly more of the same, with multiple people providing mind-numbing nit-picking. If you ever want to have a go drop me line and I can help you prepare. As for your other article, I'll see if I have time soon (bios are not usually my forte!). Sabine's Sunbird talk 17:53, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you! Sabine's Sunbird. Totally appreciate that you did this one, as it's Pride Month. I really appreciate you comments on it, though I must admit, I have zero clue how to do a FA. Barely getting the hang of GA, but she makes the 14th I've worked on. I don't suppose that you would want to look at my nomination that has been pending for 2 months on Nina Simonovich-Efimova? SusunW (talk) 13:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Wow, amazing! I've seen articles created during Wiki Loves Pride promoted to Good status after the campaign ended, but not sure new articles have been promoted during the campaign. Great work! Thanks so much for your contributions to the project, and otherwise. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:43, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- By the way, Mentona Moser and Aileen Palmer look pretty "good" to me, too! :p ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- Another Believer Yes, I was stoked that it got picked up at GA so quickly. Thanks for the kind words on the other two. On Moser, I wouldn't be comfortable nominating it without having a native German speaker look it over and confirm I didn't miss any important details, since I don't speak German and confirm there are no important sources which I don't have access to. On Palmer, without having access to either of the biographies which have been done on her, it seems likely that it is incomplete. I am hopeful that someone in Australia who might have access will weigh in. But...I am still working through Parnok, because I think she is a major player and still needs attention before she can be nominated. I am hoping that one will be nominated this month. So much to do, so little time ;) SusunW (talk) 12:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- Another Believer, Palmer or Emma Trosse would also make good DYKs, I just don't have the wherewithal to do anymore QPQs this month. I've nominated 3 this month, (2 GA and 1 for Annelien Kappeyne van de Coppello), which is more than I have done in the last year, I think ;) Trosse is totally remarkable IMO. However did she acquire her medical knowledge? Must have been self-study, as there is no record of her studying anywhere that I can find. SusunW (talk) 20:39, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping, but I don't participate at DYK any more. I just don't really like the process and QPQ requirement. Thanks so much for creating so many great new articles. I am enjoying them, and I know others are as well, and will be in the future. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:40, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- Another Believer Yep, same here. I didn't mind the QPQs so much before it became so mindnumbingly hairsplitting, but when one has to document that Madam and Mrs. are equivalent, I just don't have the patience. Articles need to be created, I need to learn stuff, I do not need to be aggravated by minutia. LOL I am pretty stoked about how many 19th century and early 20th century LBTA women I have found to write about. Restoring balance to history and pulling these notable women out of obscurity is fun for me. SusunW (talk) 20:46, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Like I've learned not to waste time on tasks I enjoy less, and focus on doing what I love about Wikipedia. Keep up the great work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:47, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- Another Believer Yep, same here. I didn't mind the QPQs so much before it became so mindnumbingly hairsplitting, but when one has to document that Madam and Mrs. are equivalent, I just don't have the patience. Articles need to be created, I need to learn stuff, I do not need to be aggravated by minutia. LOL I am pretty stoked about how many 19th century and early 20th century LBTA women I have found to write about. Restoring balance to history and pulling these notable women out of obscurity is fun for me. SusunW (talk) 20:46, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping, but I don't participate at DYK any more. I just don't really like the process and QPQ requirement. Thanks so much for creating so many great new articles. I am enjoying them, and I know others are as well, and will be in the future. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:40, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- Another Believer, Palmer or Emma Trosse would also make good DYKs, I just don't have the wherewithal to do anymore QPQs this month. I've nominated 3 this month, (2 GA and 1 for Annelien Kappeyne van de Coppello), which is more than I have done in the last year, I think ;) Trosse is totally remarkable IMO. However did she acquire her medical knowledge? Must have been self-study, as there is no record of her studying anywhere that I can find. SusunW (talk) 20:39, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
- Another Believer Yes, I was stoked that it got picked up at GA so quickly. Thanks for the kind words on the other two. On Moser, I wouldn't be comfortable nominating it without having a native German speaker look it over and confirm I didn't miss any important details, since I don't speak German and confirm there are no important sources which I don't have access to. On Palmer, without having access to either of the biographies which have been done on her, it seems likely that it is incomplete. I am hopeful that someone in Australia who might have access will weigh in. But...I am still working through Parnok, because I think she is a major player and still needs attention before she can be nominated. I am hoping that one will be nominated this month. So much to do, so little time ;) SusunW (talk) 12:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Frieda Fraser
On 20 June 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Frieda Fraser, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Frieda Fraser and Edith Williams corresponded for 24 years before they were able to acquire a home to live together in 1941? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Frieda Fraser), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
IronGargoyle (talk)) 05:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Congrats on the GA, lovely to see that you're still producing GAs.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Dr. Blofeld. I would never have taken those baby steps were it not for you and Montanabw's encouragement. I actually had two approved this month and am working feverishly to complete Sophia Parnok before PRIDE month is over. It may not be reviewed in time for the month but it will, I hope be nominated. SusunW (talk) 16:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Nina Simonovich-Efimova is most fascinating, I had noticed!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Alma Fohström
Earlier today I came across Alma Fohström, a Swedish-Finn who became one of the world's leading opera singers in the late 19th century. Despite extensive tours in the United States, there has been no EN wiki article on her until now. Maybe you would like to take a look and expand if you find her interesting.--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- I'll give her a look in the next few days. Trying to finish Parnok before the month is out. SusunW (talk) 16:05, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- No rush. She can fit in perfectly well with both pre-20th century and music. Just thought she might be the kind of forgotten prima donna you might be interested in. Let me know how I can help you with Parnok.--Ipigott (talk) 20:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott I think I am finally done with the majority of the text. It needs a serious review/copy edit and the lede needs to be revised. While I'd like to have photos of each of her muses, I think that will prove impossible, as I cannot even find a template that clarifies PD for Russia. I'll ask a friend who does work on commons, but I am not at all sure of what we might obtain. SusunW (talk) 21:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- You might get help on the copyright status of images from users Nikkimaria and We hope. I'm not pinging them here as I think it would be better if you were to explain the difficulties in more detail.--Ipigott (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott I had e-mailed We hope. I had no idea that Nikkimaria did photos too; she is trying to help me with WP library access to site and is always very helpful. It is always good to know people's skills. ;) SusunW (talk) 14:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott found quite a bit of performance info I added to the file. Strange, virtually no newspaper notices, but, hathitrust once again proved invaluable ;) SusunW (talk) 18:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott I had e-mailed We hope. I had no idea that Nikkimaria did photos too; she is trying to help me with WP library access to site and is always very helpful. It is always good to know people's skills. ;) SusunW (talk) 14:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
- You might get help on the copyright status of images from users Nikkimaria and We hope. I'm not pinging them here as I think it would be better if you were to explain the difficulties in more detail.--Ipigott (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
- Ipigott I think I am finally done with the majority of the text. It needs a serious review/copy edit and the lede needs to be revised. While I'd like to have photos of each of her muses, I think that will prove impossible, as I cannot even find a template that clarifies PD for Russia. I'll ask a friend who does work on commons, but I am not at all sure of what we might obtain. SusunW (talk) 21:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- No rush. She can fit in perfectly well with both pre-20th century and music. Just thought she might be the kind of forgotten prima donna you might be interested in. Let me know how I can help you with Parnok.--Ipigott (talk) 20:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- I'll give her a look in the next few days. Trying to finish Parnok before the month is out. SusunW (talk) 16:05, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
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Hi. I tried to fix the ISBN error for The Best Plays of 1926-27 on A Night in Spain without success: Worldcat doesn't list ISBNs for any edition of the book. Please take a look at it. If you can't fix the error, it's better to delete the ISBN and use another identifier, like the OCLC number. Thanks, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 08:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- BlackcurrantTea Thanks for the message. It's the OCLC and I fixed it. On older books, because the drop down template doesn't allow one the option of oclc, I input it in the isbn space and then change it. Guess I failed to do that on this one. Sorry for taking up your time to try to sort it out. I've fixed it. SusunW (talk) 14:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Good to know - I enter wikimarkup by hand (with a chisel, on a clay tablet), so I didn't think to look for that. Thanks. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 17:48, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- BlackcurrantTea Oh my. If you input the ISBN first in the template drop down and then push the magnifying glass, it will complete the entire book citation entry. You will probably have to do clean up, i.e. it puts all authors on the first line and doesn't distinguish authors from editors, but it is one automation that I am very thankful for. Just wish I could get whoever created the templates to add "archiveurl/archivedate", "trans-title" and "oclc" to all of the templates. I do not understand why for example, trans-title exists in the template for journal cites, but not book, news or web cites; why archiveurl/archivedate exists for book, news, or web cites but not journal cites; why oclc exists for journal cites, but not book cites. I am not a coder, merely a researcher and writer, so it is frustrating to me that there are these incongruities and I have to come up with workarounds. ;) SusunW (talk) 17:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Some of those do exist in the templates as parameters, so you can add them if you like - they won't break things. Apparently they aren't in the drop-down menus, probably because there are so many. You can check by looking at the template documentation. Template:Cite book, for example, has fields for trans-title and OCLC number, and Template:Cite journal has archive-url/-date. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 19:14, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- BlackcurrantTea I am always manually inputting those parameters in particular, as you say with chisel on clay tablets ;), which is why occasionally I fail to fix something like this oclc entry. But, since there are only four drop-downs, it would seem to me that whoever created the drop-down templates could make the formatting standardized. And if I had my druthers, I'd wave my magic wand and have web cite have "postscript" because I am forever adding it to state "self-published but with citations to source references". LOL SusunW (talk) 19:26, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Some of those do exist in the templates as parameters, so you can add them if you like - they won't break things. Apparently they aren't in the drop-down menus, probably because there are so many. You can check by looking at the template documentation. Template:Cite book, for example, has fields for trans-title and OCLC number, and Template:Cite journal has archive-url/-date. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 19:14, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- BlackcurrantTea Oh my. If you input the ISBN first in the template drop down and then push the magnifying glass, it will complete the entire book citation entry. You will probably have to do clean up, i.e. it puts all authors on the first line and doesn't distinguish authors from editors, but it is one automation that I am very thankful for. Just wish I could get whoever created the templates to add "archiveurl/archivedate", "trans-title" and "oclc" to all of the templates. I do not understand why for example, trans-title exists in the template for journal cites, but not book, news or web cites; why archiveurl/archivedate exists for book, news, or web cites but not journal cites; why oclc exists for journal cites, but not book cites. I am not a coder, merely a researcher and writer, so it is frustrating to me that there are these incongruities and I have to come up with workarounds. ;) SusunW (talk) 17:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Good to know - I enter wikimarkup by hand (with a chisel, on a clay tablet), so I didn't think to look for that. Thanks. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 17:48, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Annelien Kappeyne van de Coppello
On 13 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Annelien Kappeyne van de Coppello, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Dutch politician Annelien Kappeyne van de Coppello was the first person to introduce protection of lesbian rights and anti-discrimination measures at an official UN conference? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Annelien Kappeyne van de Coppello. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Annelien Kappeyne van de Coppello), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:03, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Nina Simonovich-Efimova
On 14 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nina Simonovich-Efimova, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ivan and Nina Efimov, known as the Adam and Eve of Russian puppetry, lived for six years largely on earnings from their traveling puppet show (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nina Simonovich-Efimova. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Nina Simonovich-Efimova), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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- Thank you Rosiestep! I really do try to help where I can and it means a lot that you "get" me. Mutual admiration society ;) SusunW (talk) 15:45, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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We'd like to invite your participation in the post-event survey for the Met Open Access Artworks Challenge.--Pharos (talk) 23:28, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Pharos, thank you! I did the survey, but was unsure how to answer the question about contributions. I did one article at the beginning of the editathon period and one at the end. Hard to classify that as either. ;) SusunW (talk) 21:33, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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| You've been doing a lovely job on Louisa Baring, Lady Ashburton, Bertha Vyver, and other articles. Thank you so much for your contributions, and I especially appreciate the improvements you have made to the Vyver article. You found information I was unable to find. –CaroleHenson (talk) 20:43, 21 July 2017 (UTC) |
- De nada CaroleHenson. I am a sleuth at research. I was bound and determined to discover the name of the "Countess". When I found the marriage to the Spanish count, I was like...hmmmm. Then the Chicago Tribune article popped up and the rest is history ;) SusunW (talk) 20:53, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
- It's fun to find the answer to a question that's puzzling one... and you found some interesting facts. Great work!–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:09, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Elizabeth Warham Forster
Dear SusunW, In October I will go to Colorado and is my intention to visit the gravesite of Elizabeth Warham Forster and Laura Gilpin. I will also go to visit the home and gravesites of Grace Raymond Hebard and Agnes M. Weregeland in Wyoming. I will contribute to all articles then. BTW it was my idea to write an article for Agnes M. Weregeland, the first women to gain a college degree in Norway and a pioneer professor in the then frontier US in Wyoming... but I'm a little scared to do it now. Weregeland is relegated to Hebard's page, but she is for sure worthy of her own page. --Elisa.rolle (talk) 10:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Elisa.rolle There are pages for both her Agnes Wergeland and Grace Raymond Hebard, though Wergeland's page does not even mention Hebard and Hebard's page barely mentions a relationship. SusunW (talk) 14:26, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- SusunW, oh yes, I put a wrong spelling and since Agnes wasn't linked from Hebard, I did not find her. Agnes was living in an open lesbian relationship with another woman before moving to Wyoming. In Wyoming she was the partner of Hebard, and they are buried together in twin tombstones. BTW I'm also interested in Agnes's biographer, Maren Bastine Hals Michelet (1869-1932), who wrote "Glimt fra Agnes Mathilde Wergelands liv (Glimpses from Agnes Mathilde Wergeland's life)" in 1916 and is very candid (in 1916) talking of their love.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Elisa.rolle Maren Michelet (the way all the records I have found style her name) was born May 26, 1869 [5] to Johanna (née Hals) [6] and Nels (aka Nils) Michelet [7], [8]. She died 5 February 1932 [9]. Was a teacher in Minneapolis, Minnesota [10] and promoter of Scandinavian culture [11], [12] Education secretary of the Society for the Advancement of Scandinavian Study.[13] Besides the biography of Wergeland in Norwegian [14] and English [15], she wrote a textbook First Year Norse [16], did surveys on schools [17], prepared course studies [18], and edited a version of Henrik Ibsen's Terje viken [19]. Here's her picture, which could be used as "Fair Use" unless you can confirm the copyright is expired. [20] Supposedly received recognition from Norwegian King in 1925, but I'd want more proof than the obit. SusunW (talk) 19:22, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- SusunW, she seems an interesting woman, isn't she?--Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Elisa.rolle She is interesting, but I wasn't sure we had enough to establish notability until I found this [21] SusunW (talk) 19:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- SusunW, good find :-) Alex Shih told me to slow down, so I will not jump in writing it, but I will wait and let everything else settle down. But yes, I will write about her... and Alma Lutz as well LOL. If I have my way there will be more women on Wikipedia for sure.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Elisa.rolle yes, I agree with Alex Shih, you work at a dizzying pace for me. As you can see, the way I work is to pull together sources first. I write nothing until I have gathered enough sources to make sure that they are notable in their own right. SusunW (talk) 19:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Or... you can write about her, SusunW. I would not mind at all.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:47, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Will have to wait for a bit. I'm taking a journey tomorrow and will have only limited computer access for several days. SusunW (talk) 19:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Or... you can write about her, SusunW. I would not mind at all.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:47, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Elisa.rolle yes, I agree with Alex Shih, you work at a dizzying pace for me. As you can see, the way I work is to pull together sources first. I write nothing until I have gathered enough sources to make sure that they are notable in their own right. SusunW (talk) 19:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- SusunW, good find :-) Alex Shih told me to slow down, so I will not jump in writing it, but I will wait and let everything else settle down. But yes, I will write about her... and Alma Lutz as well LOL. If I have my way there will be more women on Wikipedia for sure.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Elisa.rolle She is interesting, but I wasn't sure we had enough to establish notability until I found this [21] SusunW (talk) 19:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- SusunW, she seems an interesting woman, isn't she?--Elisa.rolle (talk) 19:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Elisa.rolle Maren Michelet (the way all the records I have found style her name) was born May 26, 1869 [5] to Johanna (née Hals) [6] and Nels (aka Nils) Michelet [7], [8]. She died 5 February 1932 [9]. Was a teacher in Minneapolis, Minnesota [10] and promoter of Scandinavian culture [11], [12] Education secretary of the Society for the Advancement of Scandinavian Study.[13] Besides the biography of Wergeland in Norwegian [14] and English [15], she wrote a textbook First Year Norse [16], did surveys on schools [17], prepared course studies [18], and edited a version of Henrik Ibsen's Terje viken [19]. Here's her picture, which could be used as "Fair Use" unless you can confirm the copyright is expired. [20] Supposedly received recognition from Norwegian King in 1925, but I'd want more proof than the obit. SusunW (talk) 19:22, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- SusunW, oh yes, I put a wrong spelling and since Agnes wasn't linked from Hebard, I did not find her. Agnes was living in an open lesbian relationship with another woman before moving to Wyoming. In Wyoming she was the partner of Hebard, and they are buried together in twin tombstones. BTW I'm also interested in Agnes's biographer, Maren Bastine Hals Michelet (1869-1932), who wrote "Glimt fra Agnes Mathilde Wergelands liv (Glimpses from Agnes Mathilde Wergeland's life)" in 1916 and is very candid (in 1916) talking of their love.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 14:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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