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Featured Article Save Award for Natalie Clifford Barney

There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Natalie Clifford Barney/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status.

Manchester Pride article

As much as I will be looking forward to it soon, the Manchester Pride article is looking decidedly promotional - and seems to have done for a while now. If anyone in this WikiProject can help improve this article, it would be much appreciated. QueenofBithynia (talk) 21:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Splitting proposal

Talk:Sex and gender distinction Sharouser (talk) 03:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Patrick Starrr

New bio for gay make-up artist, influencer, and entrepreneur Patrick Starrr. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:13, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

RfC on first sentence of Trans woman

Comments would be appreciated at Talk:Trans woman § RfC on first sentence. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:31, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Ty Mitchell article

Ty Mitchell

This deletion of a gay porn star and writer has been relisted twice. I would have favoured deletion of this article until I read the deletion discussion, but would encourage members of this WikiProject to give it the once-over and contribute. QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:12, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Relevant thread at the BLP noticeboard

There's an LGBT-related BLP question at the BLP noticeboard: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Tobin Heath/Christen Press. Would be good to get the involvement of some members of this WikiProject about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

LGBT grooming conspiracy theory potential title change

Talk:LGBT grooming conspiracy theory#Potentially moving the title of the page X-Editor (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Rodrigo Lehtinen

Should we use he or she? Doug Weller talk 17:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Given that the subject is a man, that'd be "he", unless the subject has otherwise requested. Please just revert anyone who changes this without explanation. ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  17:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@Maddy from Celeste thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Gold star (slang)#Requested move 10 August 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gold star (slang)#Requested move 10 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

More transgender symbols

Hi. I noticed we had a symbol for 'trans-female lesbian', but not for any other combinations, so I created others. I don't know if anyone would want such symbols [e.g. for user boxes], but if anyone does, they're listed at LGBT symbols#Simple_icons. — kwami (talk) 03:51, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Are symbols like File:Transgender lesbian symbol.svg attested to anywhere? They're not in the copy I could find of the (very weird) McElroy book. Urve (talk) 07:54, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, this gallery needs good sourcing, due to the prevalence of individuals creating their own symbols to represent their identity. This type of section is prone to accumulating clutter. @Kwamikagami: if you just created these symbols yourself, whether the logical extension of other symbols there or an innovation of your own, they're not appropriate for the article. They can stay on Wikimedia Commons and, as you say, be used in userboxes if people like them. — Bilorv (talk) 09:38, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I extended from the one I did find. I'll remove them. — kwami (talk) 09:41, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

(Just to be clear, the transgender lesbian symbol [or at least its PNG antecedent] was already being used on WP. I created the rest of the set based on that example. My file was based on the PNG, which was created by user @Adarkhairedone: in 2013. She indeed says, "This is a symbol I created to represent transgender lesbians as well as cisgender lesbians who are in relationship with transgender lesbians." I'd be interested if there is a wider convention (pinging Adarkhairedone), but I have no evidence of that myself. — kwami (talk) 19:46, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

LGBT+ Olympians list

Hello all! I haven't been able to put much time into WP lately, but what I have has been put into spending a few months splitting out and "completing" (as much as possible) the List of LGBT Olympians. I hope to now also add substantial info to, and clean-up, the LGBT issues at the Olympic and Paralympic Games article that I split the list from, which I've started - prose lists aren't really articles, but I'm hoping we'll end up with a quality list and article out of what it was.
So I'm here to ask a favour. Or, well, two, having just seen a BLP noticeboard discussion mentioned above.

• First, some introductory prose at the List of LGBT Olympians, and the whole template at Template:LGBT Olympians overview, are based on the information; since it's all sourced (though, see request 2), basing the text on the lists should be fine under WP:CALC. That aspect of policy does say that simple addition and converting units (which is all that is being used) should be easily permissible, with more complex calculations being allowed provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is correct. Given the larger numbers (up to hundreds) and overlapping datasets involved, though, I would like to request that if anyone has some time, if they could check my sums are correct!
  Also, there could be more discussion on including number (and %age) of medalists - previous discussions and what was in the lead of the previous article have me include them (as well as to use a reduced figure to calculate %age since two medals are from a demonstration event), but if anyone is interested, I'd encourage this to be discussed anew.
• Second, the list includes Tobin Heath and Christen Press, which I see above has been discussed. When I noticed last week that the original list didn't include some quite prominently out footballers, I wondered if the gaps were bigger and went to dig up a list of LGBT+ footballers and cross-check with who was in the Olympics, and added several that had outside sources. Sometimes these sources were just social media posts, but those have long been accepted for other relationships (including other people on the list who had been already included before I got involved). But the source for Heath and Press was this - a prominent gay lifestyle website that doesn't out people, with the article even saying through endless hope and demands and speculation, Tobin Heath and Christen Press got together, stayed together, came out individually in their own time, and then stepped out together — pinky-in-pinky! — on the ESPYS red carpet. Without going back to the old discussion mentioned above, which seems to have closed thinking that there was nothing but conjecture (idk), what I'm asking for in this second part is if someone has the time, they could comb the list for anyone that might not be as "out" as BLP would like. I did make sure there were sources for everyone listed, and didn't take tabloids as sources, so it should be fine, but it's obviously a subject to tread the line on.

Kingsif (talk) 14:14, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Advice on creating a page for an LGBTQ musician

Colleagues, I’m not an experienced Wikipedia editor but am interested in getting an article posted about Tom Wilson Weinberg, a well-known activist and composer of LGBT-themed music. He is currently well-referenced by others on Wikipedia but doesn’t have a page of his own. I looked to see if it was possible to add his name to the list of LGBT figures where profiles are being sought. However, the listing for musicians suggests they should be entered on "Music", a different topic list. That list has mostly classical composers and no section related to popular music, musicals, or cabaret music and it doesn’t appear to be LGBT-specific. I believe Tom easily meets the notability standards and am looking for advice about how to facilitate the creation of a page.

Thank you, John Johnmrri (talk) 20:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@Johnmrri: Provided you don't have a connection to the subject, start writing it at Draft:Tom Wilson Weinberg and I'm sure people will check in on it. Kingsif (talk) 21:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

That's the issue. I do have a connection with the subject. I'm aware of the fact that it's a conflict of interest to write a "promotional" site on his behalf. But there's tons of documentary support for such a page (and many references to him from others' pages) so I'm looking to find some way to stimulate its creation without running afoul of that conflict of interest issue. I thought of suggesting that his name be added to the list of LGBTQ people who need pages written might be one route, but there is no "musicians" section for that list. Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

John Johnmrri (talk) 19:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@Johnmrri: In that case you can still create a draft through the WP:Articles for creation system, declaring the COI when you submit it for review. Kingsif (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@Johnmrri, if you create the draft, I will copy edit and make sure its formatted correctly before you submit for review. Just ping me if that's of interest! --Kbabej (talk) 16:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I’ve posted the draft page as far as I’ve gotten it, but definitely need some help and advice. Specifically:

· Certain of the supporting citations appeared in a huge font and I don’t see controls for font size to change that.

· Some of the citations currently say “Same as above”, etc. I’m not sure how Wikipedia notes the reuse of citations.

· There are a few citations that exist but haven’t been tracked down yet for their final details (e.g., review from an old newspaper that will require a trip to the archives, etc.).

· I’m not sure how or where I note that I do have a connection to the subject and a conflict of interest.

Thanks for help with those and any other advice you can offer to a novice!

Best,

John Johnmrri (talk) 16:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Johnmrri. Happy to help with those issues. Can you post the link to the draft? I don’t see it under your edit history. —Kbabej (talk) 17:27, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I think I didn't save it last time. I was afraid "publish" meant a finished product but now I've "published" the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tom_Wilson_Weinberg Johnmrri (talk) 19:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Johnmrri: I fixed some of your formatting, but don't have the energy to review the content or address other issues right now (your references need to be put in-line for example). Hopefully Kbabej and/or others can help you out with that. Funcrunch (talk) 22:51, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Johnmrri, if you haven’t seen it already, Help:Introduction is a great guide to the Visual Editor (e.g., adding citations). Politanvm ^talk 23:56, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Dear Kbabej, I wondered if you have any suggestions now that the draft is posted? Thanks!

Johnmrri (talk) 14:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello. After reading this, I decided to try to assist in inlining the citations. I started, but I've realized I may be stepping on Johnmrri's toes, so I've stopped. My question is -- is editing someone else's draft a bad idea? I will revert my changes for now. Sorry about that. -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 02:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

This is my very first Wikipedia entry and I have a connection to the subject of the article, so I don't think you're stepping on my toes. I tried to be objective and factual but need others to weigh in. I definitely needed help with the formatting and I am open to content editing, etc., as well... Johnmrri (talk) 12:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I'll make a few changes for formatting and citations. -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 06:32, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Merge proposals

I have been reviewing WP:LGBT/Alerts to identify and clean up stale proposals. There are a couple of merge proposals that have been around for over six months without being resolved:

• Merging Gay bashing into Violence against LGBT people seems to have a rough consensus, but with only two participants.
• Merging the "Instances" section of Transmisogyny into Trans woman#Discrimination hasn't had any participation beyond the original proposal last October.

Both of these could use additional participation, so that they could be closed. Trystan (talk) 13:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Reassessment of Pride flag

Currently pride flag is listed as a "Disambig-class" article, when I think it's clear that it isn't a disambiguation article, but an article in its own right. Would an editor mind reassessing the article? ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 23:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Someone marked it as C-class now. Madeline (part of me) 06:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Cherry Valentine: Gypsy Queen and Proud

New stub: Cherry Valentine: Gypsy Queen and Proud. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:40, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Have federal LGBT protections been nullified by Texas law?

Input would be appreciated at Talk:LGBT rights in Texas#Fresh start to break something of a stalemate. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

RfC on Kiwi Farms

Of potential interest to this WikiProject: An RfC on including an external link to the Kiwi Farms website. Funcrunch (talk) 05:36, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Funded conversation series proposal

Wikimedia LGBT+ plans to request funding from the Wikimedia Foundation to organize a conversation series on major recurring social issues which arise in LGBT+ Wikimedia projects. See the proposal at

• meta:Wikimedia LGBT+/conversation series proposal

Sign support if you like. Comments and questions are welcome on the talk page here or there. Bluerasberry (talk) 11:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Andy Ngo has an RFC

Andy Ngo has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. ––FormalDude (talk) 03:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Health Liberation Now listed at Reliable Sources Noticeboard

A discussion on whether Health Liberation Now, a conversion therapy watchdog organization which tracks the attacks on trans healthcare and forces behind them, should be considered a reliable source. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)