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Regarding "... that the Kweilin was the first civilian airliner to be shot down by hostile aircraft?", since this aircraft was not damaged by hostile fire until after it had landed, it was not "shot down." Rather, it was forced down. WolfmanSF (talk) 02:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Reading the article, it says that it was believed to be the first passenger aircraft to be destroyed by hostile aircraft, so I'll re-phrase it like that. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:15, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, it's still inaccurate and misleading. The aircraft was strafed, and sunk, but not "destroyed", as it was soon repaired and flying again. "...the first civilian airliner to be attacked..." would be a better choice. WolfmanSF (talk) 06:32, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

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Robin Williams[edit]

Off the main page, no need to continue this. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Why does Robin Williams' death get a headline, whereas other people who "recently die" do not, and are reserved in the "recent deaths" area at the bottom? JDiala (talk) 07:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

The relevant decisions are made at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. HiLo48 (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
(ec) There was a consensus for a blurb at WP:ITN/C. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
JDiala - To translate, what you called a headline is what The Rambling Man described as a blurb. HiLo48 (talk) 08:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
JDiala generally those at ITNC decide that based on the level of news coverage, attention, and other factors. Recent deaths is generally for posting the deaths of notable people, while a blurb is given to notable deaths(where the death itself is an event as opposed to just a famous person dying of old age or illness). 331dot (talk) 09:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
In Williams case the manor of death received significant attention far beyond simply the fact that he was dead.--67.68.22.129 (talk) 04:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, it was big house, but I wouldn't go that far... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
This is English Wikipedia and it tends to prioritize topics from English speaking areas, including deaths of notable US actors. We posted the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman as a full blurb but we didn't post Paco de Lucia despite massive global coverage. You may call it systemic bias but it's quite logical and above all, it's a matter of consensus. Not a big deal. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 07:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Basically if you're an American and kill yourself, you'll get the full blurb. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 06:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Not if you're black and a cop kills you. :p –HTD 17:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Touché! --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:47, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Maybe, but it was 11 days ago. I'm just a little confused as to why news from 11 days ago is on the main page. That day and the next day, sure. It's not news any longer. Enigmamsg 17:25, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
If you're confused, please engage with the community at WP:ITN where this sort of thing is discussed. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:03, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

As a layout, the juxtaposition of the picture to the blurb at the immediate left looks disjointed. Over the past several days it looks like Williams is either a) part of the Bank of America Settlement, b) victim of a Japanese landslide, or c) really good at chess. Also - what was the math woman's picture taken down and Williams' put back up? Not "celebrity" enough? That'll teach her!

No, her picture was deleted as it was considered a copyright violation. But why let the truth get in the way of a good cynical reaction? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

why is his death still up there? it's been over two weeks now, it's hardly 'news' anymore.


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Get ready for some asscrack[edit]

According to Template:Did you know/Queue/4, the next DYK update is going to feature an image of a minor child's butt crack as they stoop over to take a dump. Surely nothing bad could possibly come from that wise decision. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

As the person who took that picture, I can assure the boy was not about to defecate. If you think he was, you have a dirtier mind than I. Daniel Case (talk) 04:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --anon. 71.183.139.60 (talk) 00:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • And it didn't happen. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
This is an outrage! Nothing bad ever came from a butt crack. Let me rephrase that. Never mind. Anyway, it is such a nice article. Oh, and the hypocrisy (see #8)! I'm so sorry, Daniel. I know what you put into that article. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, this is a fine article. There's a reason the image was removed, however: a lack of consensus for something so likely to be controversial. Also, the Signpost screw up is completely unrelated. Why even bring it up? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't see how a toddler's bum could be controversial. I didn't know the Signpost image was a screw-up. I already said why I brought it up. Anyway, I'm glad to see the article at DYK in the end. It is a good topic. The image being omitted is not the end of the world. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, can somebody please explain, in clear terms, what's wrong with the image? This is a serious request. HiLo48 (talk) 12:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
"Lack of consensus"? How do we know that. There was no discussion at WT:DYK over whether this was likely to be controversial, just how quickly it could be removed. Nor were other options, such as replacing the hook entirely while a discussion could be held pending later use, even considered. Process was short-circuited. Daniel Case (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Where is the discussion about this going on? By my recollection the article was crotchless pants or something like that. This is ridiculous. We have a whorehouse as the most viewed DYK of all-time. How can this be worse than whorehouse?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:37, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
How it would have looked
  • The article was not in question. The image which accompanied it was. The brothel was run with its facade as the image. This would have been run with naked buttocks hanging out, had it gone through without the image being removed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:57, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
And the problem with that is? HiLo48 (talk) 00:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Take a look at the image as it would have appeared and tell me with a straight face that "naked buttocks hanging out" is an accurate description. Daniel Case (talk) 01:58, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Good question. We are talking about what, 8 x 8 pixels of butt? And it is not hanging out. It is just showing. For an encyclopedia that is not censored, that is a big act of censorship for something so small. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

"Dog Fart Rollercoaster"[edit]

So, a tiny triangle of a common sight on the streets of China has to be pulled out of DYK, but "Dog Fart Rollercoaster" is OK? Shouldn't we pull that, too, if we're don't want to lose the PG-13 rating? Daniel Case (talk) 05:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and it goes on: "... takes riders past a statue of a defecat­ing dog and "gives new meaning to the phrase 'the wind in my face'"?" What makes this any different? Why does this hook get special treatment? Daniel Case (talk) 05:27, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm confused. Is a defecating dog offensive? HiLo48 (talk) 07:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
See the section above. Daniel is annoyed that File:Chinese boy with open rear pants closeup.jpg was pulled from DYK before it got to the main page. Jenks24 (talk) 10:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
So am I. Do the conservatives who forced that removal care about Muslims being offended by images of Muhammad? HiLo48 (talk) 12:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I am neither a conservative nor a prude. I have no problem whatsoever with either of these articles being on the main page and I have no intention to propose the image in question be deleted or anything like that. I just don't think it should be used on the main page if there are other alternatives that do not involve an ass crack.
Daniel, I think you are taking this far to personally. It is not about you, I think you are fine person and I am well aware that you are one of the hardest working people at DYK. However, I believe that sometimes in the zeal to get something on to the main page people involved in the DYK process fail to think things through. As far as I am concerned the matter is resolved and I won't be responding to your various innuendos about me here and elsewhere. I apologize for your hurt feelings in this matter but I think this result is what is best for WP. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Couldn't this picture have been used instead?
Thanks for the compliment. I did not call you either a conservative or a prude—HiLo implied that.
As for alternatives, there was a picture of the pants unworn in the article (right) that could have been used instead. Why wasn't this considered? Daniel Case (talk) 21:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
We would only an alternative if there was something wrong with a kid's slightly exposed bum in a context where such a thing is perfectly normal. Is there something wrong with it? I hope we're not judging one culture's standards by those of another. HiLo48 (talk)
  • Daniel, as has been mentioned elsewhere there was very little time to decide what the 100% best course of action would have been. 15 minutes to MP when I got online, read the ping, and had to make a decision. I knew that once the article was there making a big change would have been much more controversial (especially moving the hook back to preps), and if it was left in the image slot there was a possibility that it could be pulled summarily (see the discussions cited below, as well as previous discussion related to File:Hermaphrodite genitalia restoration.jpg (NSFW)). I know how much people who write DYKs don't want their hooks pulled, and there was already a very nice image attached to another article, so I chose to switch the two's position in the queue. Very few other edits had to be made, and thus we didn't have to worry about DYK running late or accidentally running with the image (and thus possibly causing controversy). Had I had more time, I could probably have come up with switching to the image of the non-worn pants, or delaying the promotion of the one hook, but the world looks quite different with a 15 minute deadline. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:16, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The question should be, at this point, why there was very little time. There was time to have the discussion when the hook was awaiting review. It was reviewed without this issue being raised at that time. Someone else could have considered it when they went through all the promoted hooks to put a set together. They didn't. And yet suddenly with 15 minutes to go this becomes an issue.
It is disingenuous to argue that there was no time to get an alternate hook in to complete the set. There were other sets of hooks available that had been similarly vetted; one of them would have done. In the future, please think harder when you find yourself in the same situation. Perhaps we need to review our reviewing process Daniel Case (talk) 01:53, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Beeblebrox - You say you are not a prude, but would prefer something different from a toddler's bum. Why? This is a serious question. If your reason isn't prudishness, what is it? HiLo48 (talk) 20:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • How about "avoiding the weeks of moaning and groaning" that would come with running the image? That's usually a good one. After all, these days it takes very little to end up at ANI with such delightful section titles as "DYK taking a crap on the main page" (if someone mistook the image for a child defecating) or "DYK making asses of us all". Or am I the only one who remembers how quickly some of the controversial hooks run in the past have ended up at that wonderful fortress of sanity? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Writ: Holocaust, necrophilia, and murdered actress. All of these hooks were pulled summarily rather than reworked to avoid any possible issues. I should think that Daniel would have preferred that not happen. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
In my Australian vernacular, avoiding this image because some prudes might complain, with no valid policy to back them up, is weak and gutless. HiLo48 (talk) 00:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • You'd be surprised how much I agree with you on a personal level (although I recognize what that makes me). On a professional level, however... let's just say I haven't forgotten Merkin, and that's why I believe we should try and have discussion beforehand. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I remember that too. A bunch of conservative prudes wanting Wikipedia censored. Just like now. Sad. HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The different with Merkin was that we discussed it long before the image was on the main page. Daniel Case (talk) 01:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

  • A month, so that we had two weeks to build a consensus on what was clearly a controversial image. Even as little as a day would have been nice for the image that caused this current discussion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:33, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


(Reset) Not conservative prudes - just people 'merking' a fuss because they want their WP browsing to be passerby-safe.

Could 'Pumpernickel bread feature on the main page (if appropriately developed)?

Perhaps there could be a 'red top main page as well as the ordinary one? 128.127.29.19 (talk) 14:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Why would we want a tabloid version of the Main Page? Modest Genius talk 23:12, 27 August 2014 (UTC)