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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Could you please explain why you are removing the word "Jerusalem" as the proclaimed capital of the State of Palestine from that article? nableezy - 14:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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EdJohnston So what does it actually means? I'm not allowed to edit Articles related to the Arab-Israeli conflict at all? is it temporary? ברעזרא (talk) 01:11, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

It seems you have only 53 Wikipedia edits. That means you will have to wait until you have made 500 edits before you touch anything which has to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. This restriction applies to all new editors, not just you. EdJohnston (talk) 02:25, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you EdJohnston. ברעזרא (talk) 02:29, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles. Your edits could be interpreted as vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Snuggums why did you reverted my edit? it is true, you can check it over here. בר (talk) 20:44, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

New York Post isn't a good source to use, and even if it was, that piece doesn't indicate she officially adopted it as part of her legal identity. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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Boleyn there is a reference now. Problem solved? Bar (talk) 19:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It could do with some more, but that should happen over time. Thanks for your hard work, Boleyn (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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אבי האומה

בר שלום, תגיד מה נסגר אתך, אברהם הוא אבי האומה הישראלית? ומדוע לא ישראל? ובכלל אנחנו מכונים 'יהודים', מדוע אבי האומה אינו יהודה בן ישראל? השקעתי וערכתי הסבר רלבנטי הרבה יותר, לאומיות היא מושג מודרני, ובמקרה הישראלי-ציוני יש אב אומה מובהק כל כך, חבל להחמיץ זאת. Dovole (talk) 18:51, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Dovole אכן שאלה טובה האם מדובר באברהם או יעקב. למיטב ידעתי אנחנו העם היחיד שיש לו שלושה אבות, אבל אף אחד מהם איננו הרצל. הרצל הוא חוזה המדינה, לא אבי האומה. דוד בן גוריון ודאי מתהפך בקברו למשמע מחקר מקורי מסוג זה. Bar (talk) 19:05, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

מחקר מקורי? אתה אמיתי? על איזו אומה אתה מדבר ה"אומה היהודית" (שוב לא נוסדה לא על ידי אברהם ואפילו לא על ידי ישראל, גיבורי הם יהודים , יהודאים, כמו בית דוד)- ולא, אין מדובר במחקר מקורי- ההבחנה בין ישראל ויהודה היא הבחנה הקיימת בתעודות אשוריות ועבור עד ימי הפרובינקיה יהודה). האומה הישראלית,

תרצה "אומה בהתהוות" מקובל שנוסדה על ידי חוזה המדינה החילונית, זה שאותו בן גוריון היה בין הדואגים שתמונתו תופיע במליאת הכנסת, תמונה שנחה אף על שידתו של צבי הכהן קוק.

Dovole (talk) 15:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Dovole בכל פעם שחיפשתי את "אבי האומה הישראלית" או "אבי האומה היהודית" קיבלתי תוצאות הנוגעות לאברהם אבינו. אף פעם לא הרצל. זה לא נראה לך מוזר? אם הטענה שלך איננה מחקר מקורי, אנא הבא מקורות מהימנים לפיהם הרצל הוא אבי האומה שלנו. Bar (talk) 15:56, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

הב נא המקורות שאברהם הוא אבי האומה הישראלית.Dovole (talk) 15:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Dovole אני חושב שזה ברור מהתואר המצורף לשמו: אברהם אבינו. אני מוכן לקבל את השגותייך כלפי אברהם, אבל אינני מוכן לקבל את הטענה שהרצל הוא אבי האומה. לכך נדרש סימוכין. Bar (talk) 16:13, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

בר, המעשה שלך פסול, אתה טוען שהטיעון שלי הוא בגדר מחקר מקורי ונתלה בתפישה המסורתית ובכינוי "אבינו" בלבד?! אני מבקש ממך לחפש טענות למקורות שלך, כי לאלה שלי יש, ומי שלמד היסטוריה מודרנית מעט יותר מבתיכון (אך גם), יוכל לצטט מקורות רבים בעניין.

בר האם אתה מודע לדיון בשאלת קיומה של אומה ישראלית, כפי שנדונה בבית המשפט העליון בישראל?Dovole (talk) 17:51, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Dovole, כלל לא פסול, הלא כתבתי זה מכבר שאני מוכן לקבל את השגותייך כלפי אברהם בהקשר זה. לפיכך, כל שנותר הוא לבקש בפעם השלישית מקורות לטענותייך. Bar (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

. פסול גם פסול, לבקש מקור לאחר שלא רק שהחלפת לטענה שגויה, גם לא טרחת לספק לה שום מקור, מופרך ככל שיהיה, מסתמך על ההיקש "אבינו"

בר אני לא עובד בלספק לך מקורות, לכשאתפנה למצוא מקור ראוי, אני אוסיף אותו, עד אז אתה מוזמן להסתפק בחיפושי גוגל פשוטים על מיסדי ישראל, אפילו בערכים כאן בויקיפדיה האנגלית.

לא לשווא שאלתי האם אתה מכיר את פסיקת בית המשפט העליון בשאלת קיומו של "לאום ישראלי", האם אתה מכיר אותה?Dovole (talk) 18:25, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Dovole אתה מלין על כך שלא הוספתי מקור אך במקביל טוען "אני לא עובד בלספק לך מקורות". זו צביעות. אי אפשר לקחת את טענותייך ברצינות, אם לא תבסס אותן. זאת אמורה להיות עובדה בסיסית, מה כל כך קשה להמציא לכך מקור? כפי שהסברתי, חיפוש אחר המונחים "אבי האומה הישראלית" או "אבי האומה היהודית" מביאות לתוצאות הנוגעות לאברהם אבינו. האם זה מספיק? כבר אמרתי בעצמי שלא. אבל, אין כלל תוצאות המייחסות זאת להרצל, וזאת עובדה כבדת משקל. בנוגע לפסיקה, אני מודע לקיומה אך מעולם לא העמקתי בה. Bar (talk) 19:02, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

אני לא כתבתי שאני לא אספק מקור, אלא שאספק אחד כשאתפנה לעניין (והעניין של "העובד אצלך" מכוון שבקשת המקור שלך קנטרנית).

אל תיקח הטענות שלי ברצינות, יש לך איך לתרום לערך, צא ולמד ספרי הלימוד, מהי אומה, ומהו "חוזה המדינה", מדובר במוסכמות לא פחות מבוססות מ"אברהם אבינו".

המקורות שאתה כנראה מוצא הם דתיים, ולא חסרים כאלה, אתה כנראה אינך מוכן להכיר בכך ש"ישראל" היא "מדינת ישראל" ולא "בני ישראל" מהמעשיות המקראיות.19:49, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Dovole אני מצטער, בקשת מקור איננה קטרנית. ודאי שלא למידע בסיסי שכזה. הרי יש אינספור מקורות לכך שאטאטורק הוא אבי האומה הטורקית. העובדה שאתה מתקשה לספק מקור לטענה שלך כנראה מעידה על טיבה. Bar (talk) 20:27, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

בר אני מצטער, אך לדיון עמך אין תועלת (אינך יכול להשיב באשר לפסיקת העליון כדי שיהיה לנו איזה בסיס משותף לדיון), וזה כאשר מדברים עמך בשפת אמך, אני מניח לך להתבשם "במקורות" שלך שגויים ככל שיהיו.

Dovole זה פשוט: כשיש מחלוקת על מידע, ולא על דעה, ניגשים למקור ובודקים אותו. אם אפילו אין מקור, אין על מה לדון בכלל. Bar (talk) 20:35, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

בעבור קוראי עברית מדובר במידע ברמה של ספרי לימוד, תיקנתי השגיאה בערך, תוך הסבר מפורט, לא התפנתי למצוא מקור ראוי, הגם שיש כאלה המונים כאמור, והדרישה שלך כזה היא לא רק קינטור אלא מזיקה למרחב הערכים, לאחר שהשבת והתעקשת על שגיאה בוטה.Dovole (talk) 21:14, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

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זה לא נכון. קוראי עברית החליטו להסיר את ישראל מהרשימה בוויקיפדיה העברית. ראוי אם כן, שכך יעשה גם ביתר הוויקיפדיות. אני לא הגבלתי אותך למקורות באנגלית, ולצורך הדיון, גם אם היה מקור בעברית זה היה טוב. אני לא מצאתי כזה. אם יש כאלה "המונים", אינני מבין מה הבעיה להביא לפחות אחד. התבססות על מקורות חציונים ואיכותיים לא רק שאיננה קינטור, אלא תנאי הבסיס לכל ערך בוויקיפדיה. Bar (talk) 21:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

אני חושש שאתה טועה ואתה תביא למצב אף פחות רצוי.Dovole (talk) 21:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

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As you're removed the again, the issue is now at WP:ANI here. Number 57 08:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Cropped versus group image

Sorry, בר, as mentioned in the ANI report, I don't see how you finding the image to be unflattering (which, honestly, I don't really see) can be grounds for it being supplanted with the less relevant group image. Per the policy, you do not actually get special consideration just because you are the creator. In that sense, it's too late, you've already released the image under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license. I read both the Hebrew and English talk page discussion regarding the image, and your position is just not adding up, I'm sorry to say. El_C 13:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

El_C Please show me where I claimed to own the photo ?? In fact, I argued the exact opposite. I explained my opinion on the talk page. Bar (talk) 13:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Bar, fair enough. That was my own assumption and I accept your correction. Sorry about that. I have since commented on the article talk page, so please feel free to respond there. El_C 13:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

El_C He wanted to start a discussion on ANI because he thought he had a majority. While He realized he do not have a majority because he relied on sockpuppet, he sent his complaint anyway. Why are you ignoring it? It is also clear that I do not claim ownership of the picture, - but that is his main claim against me. Why are you ignoring that too? Also the second you declared your support on his side, he switched between the photos. That's how discussions are taking place on English Wikipedia? Bar (talk) 17:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Because I'm starting to agree with Cullen that you may have OWN issues pertaining to this after all, despite all your protests to the contrary. And please leave the moving or copying of items from the Administrators' noticeboard to admins. You are not mandated to do so. El_C 22:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Of course this is nonsense, but even if it was true this is no excuse for ignoring the significant problems I mentioned above. However when I wrote these complaints a few hours ago I thought you were an admin so I complained about your hypocrisy. Now I understand that you are a regular user and so it is not your responsibility to be unbiased. Bar (talk) 22:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I am an admin and I take an exception to your personal attack. Please don't personally attack other contributors, or you may face sanctions. El_C 22:37, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

So you do admin, well it is very disturbing. I find your conduct, in this case, unprofessional and biased. You are not eligible to ignore my complaints against number 57, even if you agree with him about other things. This is not a personal attack but a legitimate criticism that should take your attention. Bar (talk) 22:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Noted. But accusing me of "hypocrisy" is a personal account. Please don't do that again. By the way, Cullen is also an admin. So is Number 57. El_C 23:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

So now the motives for this delusional behavior are clear - You're just protecting another admin. In Hebrew Wikipedia, I have not yet encountered an admin who managed an edit war. Especially not one who restores another's edit in the second he got support from another user. You ignored it as you ignored his vain complaint, and all in the name of protecting another admin. Your conduct, as Number 57, is rotten from the ground up. Bar (talk) 00:29, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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Breach of 1 revert rule

At Shireen Abu Akleh, you are in breach of the rule that says you must not revert more than once in 24 hours. Kindly self revert. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 18:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

User:Selfstudier, Are you administrator? ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 18:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

No. Please self revert as you were asked. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 18:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not your private property. You added * today * controversial content and we have a dispute. Therefore, you need to restore to a stable version, and discuss it on the talk page. You are ignoring this law.

I see you removed the paragraph and started a discussion on the talk page. I respect that. Thank you. ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 19:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Here are the diffs.

1st revert

2nd revert

I have now asked you three times to self revert, I will not ask you again but will file a report at AE requesting a sanction. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 19:05, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

If you do not self-revert I will be reporting you to arbitration enforcement. nableezy - 19:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Since this controversial content is new, it should be discussed on the talk page. Anyway, that's how I understand it. If admin will decide otherwise, I'll restore my last edit. ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

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You did not even wait for my response.ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

You were asked multiple times to self-revert, and still now have refused. nableezy - 19:39, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I did not refuse. ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 19:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

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For an attack in the edit summary, I have blocked you for 48 hours. PhilKnight (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

This must be a joke. Carlos Latuff is anti-Semitic. This is clarified in his Wikipedia article. I did not attack anyone, I stated the obvious. This is not my personal opinion. That was declared by international Jewish organizations that fight anti-Semitism. Please remove this block. ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 13:35, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

You should not attack living people in edit summaries. I have read his Wikipedia article and it uses the language "it is alleged" he is antisemitic. PhilKnight (talk) 13:38, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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Fair enough. I have unblocked. PhilKnight (talk) 13:55, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring at Israel and apartheid.

You recently breached 1R at this article and it was let go. The third revert is just edit warring. Selfstudier (talk) 22:54, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if I like it or not. There was a discussion on the talk page. ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 22:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

One editor does not a discussion make. And it certainly does not make a consensus. You have been reverted three times by three editors, including an admin. Selfstudier (talk) 23:02, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

It was before the discussion. Also, unanimity is even better then consensus. 23:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC) ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 23:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I said three editors reverted you. Selfstudier (talk) 23:13, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

But two of them before the discussion. Since then, a discussion took place on the talk page, as should be done on Wikipedia, and it was decided to remove the photo, because of the anti-Semitic aspect. ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 23:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

There is no discussion on the talk page. And even if there was, you have no consensus for your edit because three editors reverted you. Selfstudier (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

1RR

I'm aware we have not yet reached consensus on the talk page, and you and I still disagree about the wording issue on Re'im music festival massacre, but you are in violation of the 1RR. I'm not reverting it myself because that would make me also in violation of the rule. AntiDionysius (talk) 22:10, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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1RR

You have violated the 1RR at Re'im music festival massacre, kindly self-revert or you may be reported. You are also misrepresenting the poor sources you are citing, but thats another topic. nableezy - 00:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Not really 1RR because the article has since been updated. But I reverted according to your request. ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 01:10, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

No, it was a 1RR vio, but ty for self-reverting. Please see the talk page for my concerns about the other sources. nableezy - 01:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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I didn't edit an article, I voted on the talk page, so this is fine. Also, I will appeal this ban in the near future. ℬ𝒜ℛ (talk) 12:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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