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moving articles and WP:MOS[edit]

I appreciate that you are willing to spend your time doing minor edits. The information that is added and the guidelines that we have need people to go around and make sure articles follow the manual of style or are properly named. It's takes time and effort and patience.

But moving articles isn't the same as wikifying or other formatting edits, and even something small like this, you should generally at least mention it on the talk page first and wait a few days to see what people say.

Also, if you are going to move an article, you are responsible for fixing the redirects caused by it. A half dozen pages link to the old location, and you didn't bother to change any of them. A brief look at your recent log shows that you haven't fixed any of the redirects caused by any of the articles. The move page has instructions and links to more detailed ones. If you haven't read these before, do. If you have, read them again. If you're going to be moving pages regularly you should know know these instructions well. Miss Mondegreen talk  07:32, November 9 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment; I assume you are talking about List of alumni of University High School (Los Angeles, California)? There was already a discussion of renaming that page on that talk page (I checked), so I don't think it was out of the blue; there was also extensive discussion of the article renames on WikiProject:Schools, of which that page is a part. As far as redirects, the guideline only instructs the fixing of double redirects, not all redirects: that's why redirects work. I do fix all double redirects. If I am missing the instructions to fix all single redirects, and you can point me to them specifically, I would appreciate it. UnitedStatesian 18:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I meant the uni high alumni article. Sorry about that. And no, it's doesn't outright say anywhere to fix redirects, and in some places you actually aren't supposed to, but especially since you knew that a different move had been presented, not doing it was a bad idea (I get into that later). Anyway, moving on:
Yes, there was a prior discussion. The talk page had a prior discussion about whether the page would need to be renamed if we added notable faculty to it. Few problems though:
  • the discussion was from may--that's several months old
  • the discussion had no resolution
  • the discussion is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT
Sure, there was a discussion about renaming, but it's a different renaming, so what's that got to do with the price of fish? I don't know which discussion you are referring to on wikiproject schools. The project discussions renaming frequently and different issues with renaming, but the project has not taken a position on this particular mos, as far as I know.
Even if it had, you should have brought it up for discussion.
Had you, I would have protested. For starters, I'm not particularly sure that this is a good rule. Articles are supposed to be named accurately, and it isn't a list of alumni, it's a list of notable alumni, and frankly, the prevalence of articles titles is towards the later not the former. I also think that it might lead to more of the half unaware vandalism that is prevalent on these types of pages. I prefer removing the words "list of" from the title--those words actually are unnecessary and prevent from adding non-list material to the article. At any rate, even if I thought the renaming itself was a great idea, whether or not it needs to be renamed for notable faculty, it also happens to need to be renamed because the school is University SENIOR High, not just University High. The main page and the alumni page haven't been renamed because that means renaming the category which means extensive work. If we were going to take the word notable out of the title--it's not an important or pressing edit and could have waited until the page was renamed properly. This just means that there will be another redirect page, more redirects to edit and there really wasn't any good reason. Btw, your move and your not fixing the redirects has now ensured that when the page is moved...double redirect!
The manual of style is a guideline--you don't avoid bringing up discussion on a MOVE to enforce a guideline. Especially the manual of style. It's important, but you get into different article types and different locales and there are different naming conventions there, sometimes written, sometimes not, but important, and more relevant than an overarching guideline that doesn't take into account details that it can't. That's why it's a guideline, and that's why there's discussion. The editors of the article are the ones who know what's going on with the article, and generally, hopefully, the region, the wikiproject, etc.
Your enforcement of MOS:LIST.... I haven't gone through your edits fully, but I haven't see you propose any of these moves, including your most current, which at the moment is dated the 13th. MOS:LIST is NOT a major guidelines. To give you some idea of just how much of the community is involved in it: MOS:LIST has had around 300 edits by about 50 editors since 2003. From a quick look of edits marked minor and where the summary denoted the edit as minor, at least 60 of those edits are minor. It's had actually work this year--over 60 edits (including minor) from 21 editors. BUT, you're one of only three editors who touched the article more then once this year (excluding editors who made multiple edits marked as minor). Given that your edits (number wise) count for apx 12 percent of the total touches this year on MOS:LIST, and that your log reads row after row "list of notable" to "list of", often several in a day (23 moves on the third!), well, this starts to look a little like a crusade.
There's nothing wrong with really believing in a guideline or policy and wanting to promote it. But if you do it in an underhanded fashion--by avoiding discussion or trying to push it over on people or anything like that, that's not ok, and it'll eventually backfire.
I don't know how you're doing things for the most part, or why, and I'm assuming the best. But I hope that this explains to you why bringing a rename for discussion is so important (even if you see it as minor, others often don't), and how your edits can come across. There's no substitute for communication, and you're doing a lot of major editing, and not as much communicating.
I hope this helps; that I explained a little more clearly and thoroughly. Feel free to thwap me for incoherence. Miss Mondegreen talk  10:44, November 14 2007 (UTC)
Just for further background, there has been extensive discussion of "notable" in list names here and here, among other places. UnitedStatesian 14:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Reverting good faith edits[edit]

Please note the following from WP:REVERT: Do not revert good faith edits. In other words, try to consider the editor "on the other end." If what one is attempting is a positive contribution to Wikipedia, a revert of those contributions is inappropriate unless, and only unless, you as an editor possess firm, substantive, and objective proof to the contrary.

The edit that you reverted made several changes, only one of which is possibly covered by WP:ASR. For example, it wikilinked "notable". Your reversion may have corrected an ASR problem, but it negated the rest of my edit. In the future, please follow the Wikipedia practice that when you disagree with part of an edit, you don't revert the entire edit if there are parts that appear to improve the article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 23:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. I've reluctantly concluded that you're probably right, so please go ahead (if you've not already) and delink the word "notable". -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The change that you made to Gabriel Thomson's page was small (as in character rather than quantity). Grow up. ProResearcher (talk) 08:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Your edit & lost information[edit]

UnitedStatesian, please note that your repeated moving of List of notable Seton Hall University alumni to List of Seton Hall University alumni has lead to a loss of significant information from the article. Whether this is intentional or not, this MUST BE corrected. Otherwise, it will be perceived as vandalism.
As to the issue of notability, I should remind you that moslist only refers to guidelines. Notability has always been and will continue to be an important criterion of WP articles. This especially goes for lists, where people can be added of whom there are NO respective articles. In this case, there is no way to know the notability of the individual. I urge you to read Wikipedia:Notability people#Lists of people and WP:NOTABLE ALUMNI. Furthermore, I have seen no significant discussion on this issue and noticed that you made changes to the moslist guidelines yourself. Regardless of this, since you have succeeded in forking most of the alumni lists, I will not revert the changes on the Seton Hall University article. However, I remind you that your move MUST BE corrected to include all lost information as soon as possible to avoid any confusion. Thank you. aNubiSIII (T / C) 06:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Poker Player Notability[edit]

The WP:POKER is discussing what we believe constitutes notability for poker players. We have a proposal on our talk page, if you'd like to chime in, please do so here.Balloonman (talk) 10:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Poker notability[edit]

Hey US, I added a rationale to why the project was looking to create its own criteria. Could you take a look at it and see if it changes your mind?Balloonman (talk) 05:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Haberman feeder[edit]

Hi, I added my reason to object to the deletion of the Haberman Feeder article on the talkpage. Would you please respond, I'd like to know why you think this article isn't notable so I can improve where needed. Thanks. Felsir 12:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Appraisal Institute[edit]

You must be kidding. The AI is the leading national professional organisation of real estate appraisers in the US. Just read real estate appraisal, or go to the AI's website. This is like saying that the accountant's association or the bar association are not notable. I suggest you remove the tag. Tkeu 17:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Welsh authors[edit]

Please do not remove entries from lists on the grounds of notability if you know nothing about the subject, as you did with List of Welsh language authors. The authors you removed will be found in most standard works of reference on Welsh language literature; all they lack as yet is an article here. Enaidmawr 21:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Notable announcers[edit]

Hey. No problem. :) I appreciate being told. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 05:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Vanessa Fox[edit]

Sorry about that. Was my bad putting her in SEO consultants.

What cat is she? Igor Berger (talk) 04:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

How about Category:Venture capitalists? UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Well it would be hard to make it notable because there is nothing we can refer to, that I am aware of. She is, by her statement on her blog, "entrepreneur in residence for Ignition Partners," but that is a primary source, we need to get something official from IP,as to her position in the company. Is she a VC? Igor Berger (talk) 09:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikiversity[edit]

Why would you dispute that distributed teams of learners interacting at Wikiversity forms a social networking site? Wikiversity is a social network of teams of learners actively seeking participation. cc talk page[1] Lazyquasar (talk) 20:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jacques Dallaire[edit]

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Jacques Dallaire, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacques Dallaire. Thank you. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Template[edit]

I've thrown together a rough draft here User:Crossmr/Template:RedSNW. I'm not sure we'd have to worry about it being a series yet at this point, but I'd like to get the basic language down then we could consider a series.--Crossmr (talk) 23:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Template looks great. Move it into production, and thanks! UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Kogswell Cycles[edit]

I note your proposal to delete the Kogswell page. I urge you to reconsider. Kogswell is a well-established company with an extremely enthusiastic customer base. They have received good press coverage from periodicals such as "The Bicycle Quarterly," which unfortunately does not publish its articles on line. The company is noteworthy for its independence in design, as well as for its direct-to-customer marketing focus (although it also caters to several bicycle shops who are highly enthusiastic about Kogswell products). Yes, I sound like a PR agent working for Kogswell, but I am not. I am simply a big fan of the product, and a journalist who recognizes that the company is worthy of note on many levels. Please let me know what additional information I can put into the article to keep it from being eliminated. Thanks very much. Fbagatelleblack (talk) 01:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Adding citations from "The Bicycle Quarterly", even if not published online, to the article, will demonstrate its notability. Click here for info. on how to cite these sources in the article. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Reflist!! D'oh! Thanks for the help. I'll get article titles and page numbers ASAP, probably tomorrow as well as other references (I hope). Fbagatelleblack (talk) 03:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Cool, I'll remove the PROD. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:NOTINHERITED[edit]

Hi UnitedStatesian. Where do WP:BK and WP:MUSIC allow for inherited notability? I looked through them and couldn't see any specific mention of this, which is why I removed that part from NOTINHERITED, though I'm sure it's possible I missed something. Cheers, Miremare 14:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I know its a bit of a stretch (and I am also trying to make a point), but these are the sentences I am thinking of:
From WP:BK: "The book's author is so historically significant that any of his or her written works may be considered notable, even in the absence of secondary sources." - that seems to be the book inheriting notability from the author.
And from WP:MUSIC, both: "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such" - that is notability inherited from "band to band", and
"Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc." - that is notability inherited from work to performer.
Let me know your thoughts.
UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I suppose you're right then. In an effort to reflect the above, I've added "in exceptional circumstances" to the relevant sentence in NOTINHERITED to make it clearer that this doesn't automatically apply to all book or music articles. Cheers, Miremare 15:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

New essay[edit]

Hey Twsx - I just posted an essay at WP:WTAF that I think is relevant to the good work I have seen you do on various band list articles. I would welcome your comments and improvements. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for the notice! You have written a great essay; i appreciate your work. It reflects a serious problem (actually, after reading the essay I notice it is broader than I knew it was), and the essay it will be very useful when dealing with new editors. I don't have much to add to it. If something comes to mind I will propose it. ~ twsx | talkcont | ~ 21:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Expedia, Inc.[edit]

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AfD nomination of Expedia, Inc.[edit]

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in case you're wondering[edit]

I'm taking the time to go through all the sites on the list (at least the non-obvious ones like facebook and myspace) and check them for social networking components and of course tag the articles if they need improvement, and boy do a lot of them need improvement, at least a dozen needs references and notability established.--Crossmr (talk) 06:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:Real estate and my prod of List of real estate topics.[edit]

I was unaware of WP:CLN when prodding the article. However, bearing the {{catdiffuse}} tag on Category:Real estate, is this list really usefull? Taemyr (talk) 19:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I removed the prod mostly because I thought AfD was a more appropriate forum for the discussion of the deletion of the page, since recently there has been active, broader discussion of "lists of topics" pages at the Village Pump. There are also a number of piped links on the page, which categories do not support. Also, cats do not allow the display of more than 200 topics on a single page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:POLICY[edit]

Consensus on the talk page is not required before making any edit. The entire Wikipedia premise is that changes to pages can be made by anyone. There is an ongoing discussion on the talk page about that section, and a normal part of such discussion is for editors to propose changes to the main text, edit each others' changes, and work towards a compromise version. If you have a specific issue with the changes, by all means let's discuss it. But there is no reason to revert the changes simply because they are changes. — Carl (CBM · talk) 17:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I think policy pages have a much higher standard. The box at the top says "Please do not edit this page without first ensuring that your revision reflects consensus. When in doubt, discuss first on the talk page." In the case of significant (i.e. more than a few words) changes to policies, the propose/edit/work toward compromise process you correctly outline takes place 99% of the time on talk pages rather than on the policy page itself, in my experience. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
That boax at the top is somewhat inaccurate. The only way to find a consensus version of the page is to edit it. We (a large group of us) are working towards an acceptable version of the page. Do you actually have any issues with the content of the edit? I would love to discuss them. Reverting something that you don't actually object to only takes time away from more useful discussion. — Carl (CBM · talk) 17:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Deprod on Human Factors for Highway Engineers (book)[edit]

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Human Factors for Highway Engineers (book), which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. I have nominated the article for deletion instead; the debate may be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human Factors for Highway Engineers (book), which overrides the need for a {{prod}} tag. I have explained my reasons for doing this in my nomination. Thanks! -- Atamachat 18:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Note on social networking list[edit]

You may want to consider simply reverting instead of manually blanking their entry if you can. When you blanked this [2], you missed that the user had replaced a valid entry for faceparty with it [3], an anonymous editor repaired it here [4] which lead to my confusion as to how it got removed from the list.--Crossmr (talk) 15:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't bother, I've already learned my lesson - I shouldn't try contributing to this page[edit]

Please don't loose your motivation. We really need clear thinking people to keep involved at the policy pages. Cheers! --Kevin Murray (talk) 09:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Prod for Edgar, Dunn & Company[edit]

I'm pretty exhausted from defending this entry, and I can't really do it in good faith anymore. My only request is that if the entry for that company is deleted, then we systematically sweep the management consulting category and delete any non-notable entries (EDC was originally singled out by a vindictive editor). Unfortunately, I have limited experience in identifying the appropriate articles (and I also don't want to appear to be vindictive). Any advice? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Secretagentwang (talkcontribs) 19:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Discussion for Gossipreport.com[edit]

I would like to revisit your comments on deleting the entry for Gossipreport.com. You noted that all websites have an Alexa ranking so that does not rate as significant and "Not one journalist or author has written something about this site that would establish its notability." On the first point I would note that news paper journalists covering the site in any way, shape or form take the site beyond something like an "insignificant garage band." The fact that the site was featured on one of the top daytime shows in the nation (The Dr. Phil Show) also sets the site apart as significant as does the 5 million hits the site has gotten since then. While every site has an Alexa rating, the fact that gossipreport.com is growing at such a phenomenal rate (up over 1.5 million spots in the last 3 months averaging over 100 new registered users a day) should also be significant. Gossipreport.com is a well funded, fully staffed entity that is changing how people view social history on the web. As a myspace from the 3rd party perspective it is giving people a profile of how the world sees them not just how they see themselves. That in itself is ground breaking and significant. The site is fully CAN-SPAM compliant and the fact that the site is changing the conversation about social networking sites is significant. Please revisit your stance on gossipreport.com and vote to let us keep our entry. The people that work for the site work too hard to be labeled as insignificant. Thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seaslate (talkcontribs) 21:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed prod on FOLIOfn[edit]

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Wealthy Historical Figures[edit]

All of the research and source I have used are on the pages below. Pages, such as Forbes and official government websites that track America’s and other countries economies, are used as sources of information and calculations to come with the list members net worth. Example: the New York Times List [5] and the Forbes list of Wealthiest Americans [6] are used as sources for the original net worth, and websites such as EconStats [7] and Measuring Worth [8] calculate the net worth in today’s terms. If you have any more questions on these list's, fell free to ask, I will be happy to answer them. Jughead.z(1) (talk) 19:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed prod on Fox Racing[edit]

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Falcon Cycles[edit]

Hi there, I've declined the speedy tag as this is definitely a notable firm - I presume that they are not as well known in the USA as they are here in the UK! I will keep the article on watch and request references, but these should not be difficult to source. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 23:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a further thought. I see from this section of your userpage that you're keeping a track of the articles you prod and speedy. From the red/blue balance it looks like your success rate is round about 50% - I wonder if you've thought how you might increase this? The most obvious way would to be a tiny bit more selective about the articles you tag - that way your % would increase, and you'd be releasing a lot more admin time from declining the 50% that stay. Net result: more of the rubbish deleted, faster, with less time wasted on dead ends. What do you say? Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 23:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I did a quick calc. - the ratio is 63% red/37% blue, and a number of the blues are articles that were made into redirects, pending prods., or article recreations. Most of the remaining blue links are that way because of declines by run-of-the mill users (including a lot of anon. IPs), before they even got to an admin. And the blue links are not dead ends - many are on their way to AfD (where, at least so far, I have a 100% success rate). UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

List of dogs[edit]

Has there been any discussion about moving "List of notable dogs" to "List of dogs"? I note from the history of the page that it was moved the other way only a month ago. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

It's reversing an earlier move done by User:Tavix, an editor who was not aware of WP:MOSLIST, that "notable" should not be included in list titles. That editor also moved List of pigs to List of notable pigs, and that move was reversed. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
YesYThanks for clarifying! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:36, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

List_of_social_networking_websites[edit]

Talk:List_of_social_networking_websites#Deletion_of_items FYI--Hu12 (talk) 08:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you said it better than anyone else could have. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed prod on DVD Talk, please check article history before proposing deletion[edit]

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from DVD Talk, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Atamachat 18:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Prod[edit]

Good lookin' out. I thought it was the standard add new or edit to the bottom of the page. Thanks for the correction. --InvisibleDiplomat666 16:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Stock exchange articles[edit]

Just wanted to leave a note for you that I undid your move from a couple of days ago, moving Companies listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange (P) to List of companies listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange (P). I think I can see your perspective for making the move, but there are a couple of important reasons why I undid it:

Absent any standard or consistency, I think it makes sense to leave things are they are, and create redirects if you're concerned that people will be looking for one approach rather than the other. As always, more than happy to discuss, though. Mlaffs (talk) 20:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Dixy Chicken prod[edit]

I've added two sources to this article and removed the {{prod}} template you placed there. Please also note that the article was AfD'd in 2006 and was kept at that time. On that note alone I would have disputed the prod, but you're still welcome to AfD it again if you feel it necessary. Thanks. --DachannienTalkContrib 12:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

List of opera composers[edit]

Hi there!

I removed the speedy tag that you placed on List of opera composers, as your reason was that List of major opera composers should be moved there. I see no discussion on the talk page of the said article to move the page, and I don't feel comfortable moving a featured article to a new name without consensus. I suggest you start up a poll at Talk:List of major opera composers to move the article. Happy editing to you! Keegantalk 20:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Companies that have emerged from bankruptcy[edit]

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Category:Companies that have emerged from bankruptcy, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Hawaiian717 (talk) 21:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Museums[edit]

Why did you dleted several museums from Italy on the List of museums. I spot checked the museums & they appear legit. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 20:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It was based on the paragraph from the talk page, at Talk:List_of_museums#Inclusion criterion. So many red links are not helpful on the page, and it makes sense to encourage editors to WP:WTAF. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, but I am readding the museums as it is counterproductive to remove them. Others in the museum community editors agree with leaving red-linked museums beacuse of the magnitude of the project. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 22:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Fine, but please don't re-add International Museum of the fly fishing Stanislao Kuckiewicz, which should be removed from the list becasue the article was deleted. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, no problem eliminating bogus museums. I fully support that. In fact, I recommend writing a quick note as to why a specific museum was deleted so it's not readded. FieldMarine (talk) 23:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Spinout[edit]

Did you intend wp:spinout to point to the same place as WP:SPINOUT? SayCheeeeeese (talk) 07:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, fixed. Actually, I did not realize until your comment that shortcuts could be anything other than all caps. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

bookcrossing[edit]

I am a newcomer to editing pages on wikipedia so I would like to know if you could tell me why you deleted the 2 external links that I added to the bookcrossing page. These links are complementary web sites that aid bookcrossing users that I intended on expand up in the main article. Thanks! Captain-tucker (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Social Media External Link Post[edit]

Hi there, I'm wondering if you could let me know why the link I posted on the Social Media page to an external white paper published by my company was removed? Did I post it incorrectly? I'm new to this, the intention of this posting was to share some of the original research my company conducted in the realm of social media. Any response you can provide is appreciated. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torquecustomerstrategy (talkcontribs) 19:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the question. The removal was based on the guideline Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. It appears from your username that you are connected to the website in the link. Specifically, that guideline says "Adding material that appears to promote the interests or visibility of an article's author, its author's family members, employer, associates, or their business or personal interests, places the author in a conflict of interest." Let me know if I can help you with anything else. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, I appreciate your help in educating me on proper use of Wikipedia. I guess I'm confused at how to contribute some of the original research that appears in the company's white paper (e.g. the fact that recruiters in 64% of Fortune 500 forums have posted jobs on LinkedIn, demonstrating the widespread use of Social Networking Sites, which is one category of Social Media). Would it be acceptable for someone else to use our white paper as a source to contribute content? I noticed this page itself has no citations, and perhaps some of the knowledge we have collected could help to expand the content, so that others can engage in a larger discussion about one of today's hottest topics in marketing. I'm quite surprised there isn't already more discussion here. Any guidance you can provide would be much appreciated - thanks! Torquecustomerstrategy (talk) 12:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Move over redirects[edit]

Just a heads-up: as long as the target is a single redirect without edit history, any user can perform the move, so e.g. simple page moves can be undone. --Tikiwont (talk) 11:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I've done the requested moves. Would you mind checking for double redirects? Thanks--Tikiwont (talk) 12:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I undid one (Alphabetical list of programming languages) as not obviously uncontroversial (and speedies are mostly for no-brainers) and also because one of the related lists is at AfD so might be better to wait that out. In case of need the move can performed as aboe. I also posted a note at Talk:List_of_open_source_games#Move.--Tikiwont (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I learn something new every day! No more CSD G6 when the redirect has no history. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Enigma Titanium[edit]

Just wanted to let you know that I support your prod of the above. The article patently does not assert the notability of the subject. BTW, please take a look at the article's talk page for the current discussion on alleged notability. – ukexpat (talk) 19:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but I think, given the contentiousness, that AfD is the best next stop for the article. I'll look for it there. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

PROD on Copient Technologies[edit]

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Copient Technologies, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! Redfarmer (talk) 22:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Renaming Succession of Bishops of the Episcopal Church in the United States[edit]

Those of us who have been working on this page for a long time believe this is more than a list and need not be renamed. But if you're going to rename it, you have to take responsibility for redirecting all the pages that link to it. They can be found on this page. Thanks.  ~ InkQuill  03:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you misread WP practice concerning fixing redirects after a move - see Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects. WP practice is only to fix DOUBLE redirects, and I did fix all of those. UnitedStatesian (talk) 11:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Anahat (competition)[edit]

Hi. Your prod was the third one on the article. It might have to go to afd. I'm lazy and busy these days. Would you like to volunteer?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 17:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, missed the previous prod, so I removed mine. I guess we'll see who's lazier and busier :) UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I blinked first. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

List of microfluidics research groups[edit]

Hi, you nominated the List of microfluidics research groups for deletion. Normally these nominations should be nominate it for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion if you think it should be deleted. Now I can't find this nomination. Can you tell me where it is? -- Mdd (talk) 20:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the question. I used the faster (5-day) process, called Wikipedia:Proposed deletion, or PROD. There is no discussion. However, if you object, simply edit the article and remove the PROD text that is at the beginning (or let me know you object here, on my talk page, and I'll remvoe the PROD). If the prod is removed (called "contested"), any further deletion discussions will have to take place via the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion process. Let me know if you need anything else. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok Thanks. I am not that familiar with those procedures. The list isn't mine. I kind of got drag into this situation because the List of systems biology research groups (a list I do work on with the WikiProject Systems) got mentioned in earlier discussion. I have had some discussion with the creator of the list User:Cubic Hour, who has very little experience. But I don't think he understands the whole situation. Now I feel a little responsible because he had a previous version of the List of systems biology research groups as his example. Now that list is updated and this won't happen again. Now User:Cubic Hour can also update his list, but I have spoken to him about that. I did make a copy of his work on his user space. Maybe he proceeds. Maybe he doesn't. We will see. -- Mdd (talk) 21:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
P.S. One last question. Even with a Wikipedia:Proposed deletion procedure, shouldn't you at least notify the original creator?
Talk page notification is a courtesy, not required. I usually check to see the editors other contributions, level of activity, etc., and decide accordingly. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering if you are going to take this to another level or if you leave it like it is now? -- Mdd (talk) 22:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
The article should definitely go to AfD; I will do it if no one else does, but no promises as to the timing (pretty busy right now). UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
On the Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists talk page here there has recently been a discussion about these kinds of lists. This is why I am involved here in the first place. I think you will find more support over there. Good luck. -- Mdd (talk) 22:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

rm non-links per WP:LIST[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_bicycle_manufacturing_companies&diff=207170108&oldid=206968813

I can't find the guidelines that cover this - where exactly are they?

Also, how did you differentiate between the ones you deleted and the ones you didn't?

Thanks for your help. 58.8.6.22 (talk) 15:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The WP:MOSLIST guideline states: "Ideally each entry on a list should have its own Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future." It is not reasonable to expect that non-linked list entries will have an article in the future (and non-linked entries also raise an issue with the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy).
The non-links that were not deleted happened strictly becasue of my oversight: thanks for pointing it out, I have fixed it now. UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

For catching my mistake on Crush or Flush's listing. I must have typo'd when I searched to see if it had an article. --Bfigura (talk) 21:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Citizen Fish[edit]

Hi, I noticed you'd tagged Citizen Fish for speedy deletion under criterion A7 (no assertion of notability). It seems to me that their discography alone, as listed in the article, would be sufficient to constitute at least some evidence of notability per WP:MUSIC. I've accordingly listed the article on AfD to solicit further opinions on the matter. Please feel welcome to express your opinion there. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 20:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

PROD candidates[edit]

You may find a large number of appropriate PROD candidates among those I listed in a post on the COI notice board. [9] OccamzRazor (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Oldprodfull[edit]

Hello, UnitedStatesian ... I have a couple of qustions:

  1. I would like to add {{Oldprodfull}} to the very end of the table at Wikipedia:Template messages/Deletion#Deletion tools, but I'm reluctant to be that bold ... any suggestions?
  2. Do you think that my Flag templates for deletion warnings (like WP:FLAG-BIO and WP:FLAG-BAND) are ready to be moved into project space as "legitimate" WP:FLAG-xyz shortcuts?
  3. Do you have any comments on {{Flag-editor}}? (I noticed its discussion page is empty. :-)

BTW, I'm contacting you because you edited Template:Oldprodfull/doc a few weeks ago ... Happy Editing! — 72.75.78.69 (talk · contribs) 22:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Travel website[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Travel website requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for web content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. KevinCuddeback (talk) 19:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Your vote for Travel Website was keep and improve. It was kept, yes, but can we say it improved? What the record now shows is that it is a dictionary entry, followed by link-list-bait, followed by OR on on the difference between travel websites and travelogues. How does one re-nominate this for deletion?KevinCuddeback (talk) 20:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

What a Whopper[edit]

Can you please write a plot summary of this article? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 06:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I have never seen this movie, and would not know where to start. All I know is that it had a bad category, which I removed. Good luck finding someone else. UnitedStatesian (talk) 06:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Harmony Concepts[edit]

I'm not able to give reference ... but I'm surprised of your demand, because there is a lot articles which refer to this one ...--81.80.239.162 (talk) 17:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Not any more: all of the WLs to this deleted article have been removed. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Puzzled[edit]

I see that you recently moved Venator to Venator (disambiguation), with the comment that this would "free up Venator to be its own article"; and you marked Venator with {{R with possibilities}}. The question is, on what topic would a new article be written? I am leaving these two pages alone pending enlightenment from you. --Russ (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

It would be the U.S. company Venator, which was the successor to F. W. Woolworth Company (a company in the Dow Jones industrial average) and the predecessor to Foot Locker, a major U.S. retailer. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm skeptical that there is anything meaningful to say about Venator Group, Inc. that is not already said in the Woolworth's and Foot Locker articles. I've changed the link on the disambig page for clarity, but my suggestion would be to move the disambig page back to the title Venator. --Russ (talk) 15:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I would have no problem with your doing that. Thanks! UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Love Family[edit]

See also Steve Allen for son Brian Allen, a.k.a. Logic Israel

Why did you remove this as a "bad see also"? The link works. Milo 04:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

The target article makes no mention that Brian Allen is Logic Israel, or has anything to do with Love Family. Accordingly, the unsourced see also staement violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Business (disambiguation)[edit]

Apparently a certain user has an odd notion of what should be on a disambiguation page; I've tried to restore business (disambiguation) to an appropriate format, but you may want to keep an eye on it for further revisions. --Russ (talk) 14:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Will do, thanks! I clarified my note on that user's talk page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Cuito Cuanavale[edit]

Dear Estadounidenseano: I appreciate your contribution to the Battle of CC article. About length. The article on the Second Battle of El Alamein is much longer. I am thinkin g of adding the same amount of tactical detail to the batlle of CC artile as one sees in the Second Battle of El Alamein article. Now, I would oppose adding more details about the Battle of Mavinga to this article, although I am worried that that might happen. My reason for opposing the merge from Cubans in Angola is that that topic is more vast and extended, and is inappropriate for a focused article on one battle. I would appreciate your thoughts, and those of others, as to the style of adding more tactical details, along the same lines as the ones I just added, that you perhaps already notice. About twice as long again as those ones. This article is very controversial indeed, as you will see if you look at the archived portion of the talk page.130.15.101.140 (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way[edit]

I was serious -- I appreciate the compliment. I didn't mean to follow that up by disagreeing with your point and then reverting your comment. Just to explain, I think you might have been thinking about "secondary buyouts" --> sales of a company from one PE shop to another. secondaries are sales of PE fund interest from one LP to another. Buyouts are far and away the largest component of the PE market so I put it back up front. If you have any interest in working on PE, I could really use the help. It has been lonely work thus far.|► ϋ r b a n я e n e w a l ◄| (talk) 21:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I wanted to invite you to become an inaugural member of the Private Equity WikiProject Task Force. I think this might be a good fit and your contributions would be welcome. This is intended as an inter-project task force to focus on private equity concepts, firms and investors. If you are interested, please visit the Private Equity WikiProject Task Force project page.
Also, please feel free to add the following banner to your user page:
{{Userbox/privateequitytaskforce}}
I look forward to working together, if you are interested. Let me know if you have any questions.
|► ϋ r b a n я e n e w a l ◄| (talk) 03:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:RSUE[edit]

You may be interested in this proposal to revise the text for articles using non-English sources. --ROGER DAVIES talk 04:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:Guideline list[edit]

Hi UnitedStatesian. The guideline list template is used on a great deal of pages, and recently, such templates have been frequently vandalised with various obscene images. High use templates such as this one have therefore been protected to preemptively stop this happening.

You can request changes on the template's talk page via {{editprotected}}, or let me know what the changes are and I'll make them for you. If they are very complex, it may be worth you copying the code to a subpage of your userspace, making the changes, and asking for the new code to replace the old. Neıl 11:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Alliance Capital Management Holdings[edit]

In that case, you should have specified your reasons at the edit summary, to avoid any misunderstanding. I didn't know the category was not suitable for the article. I have no doubts that your edits were in good faith, but the user warnings are the best way to warn other editors. Actually, one of the first sentences of the warning says: "It might not have been your intention [...]". It shows that I'm almost sure that you didn't do it in bad faith. Forgive me for any offence you might have taken. Victor Lopes (talk) 14:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, I'd just like to let you know that I archived my talk page before you answered me. If you still have anything to say, please start a new discussion on my current talk page. Thank you, Victor Lopes (talk) 00:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to discuss the MindVisualizer entry in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mind_mapping_software[edit]

Hello,

I found the entry about MindVisualizer on [this page] was deleted by you, could you advise what's wrong with it? MindVisualizer is a commercial mind mapping software which has been existing in the market for over one year.

Edwin Yip —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindv (talkcontribs) 03:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I responded on your talk page, here.


Hello I responded your message here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindv (talkcontribs) 02:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


==I think a significant article about MindVisualizer has been added, although it's created by its written developer but I think the developer is the best one to tell its technical basis?

See also: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam‎#User Mindv. — Athaenara 05:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Alphabet to E-mail: How Written English Evolved and Where It's Heading‎[edit]

Hi UnitedStatesian. You tagged this article for proposed deletion; as it had already survived an AFD, it is not eligible for PROD. Nevertheless, I have added some references to the article. Neıl 15:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The merge proposal around Visualization[edit]

Hi, I just restored the Merge proposal, see Talk:Visualization. If you have an opinion about this merge proposal, please add your comments at the Talk:Visualization, where this merge proposal is discusted. Thank you. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 19:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

Hey JC: I saw you move Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigational templates to Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates, which is great, but I was surprised you didn't fix any of the double redirects that resulted. Also, the related essay is still entitled Wikipedia:Navigational templates; should that be moved (over redirect) as well? UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note.
I was under the (?mis-)understanding that there is a bot the fixes double redirects automatically.
That said, I'll check into it (and the essay) after I finish with my talk page/watchlist, and "catch-up".
Thanks again for the heads-up : ) - jc37 21:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Roberts Investments Group/Andrew Roberts/Stefan Roberts[edit]

I'm preparing to take this lot to AfD. It's a more elaborately prepared hoax than most - I'm having to do a lot of searching. I'll let you know when they're up. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
  • The AfD is up here. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Kershaw Knives[edit]

Kershaw Knives is one of the largest cutlery companies in the US. I have begun rewriting and referencing this article. I removed the Prod template.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Move List of Notable Haitians[edit]

If that's how you feel then you move it!--Ron John (talk) 11:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Grammar[edit]

Hey man, I saw you tweaked my wording, which is fine, but I am having a grammar problem.

Your text: A links to an essay, therefore, should not imply that it represents an official policy or guideline.

The plural (links) is just a typo I assume, but can a link imply something? Or is it the person doing the linking?

Is my wording too strong for you? (Essays, therefore, should not be linked as if representing an official policy, guideline or similar.) Either way, and not be a stentorian grammaticaster, but I think use of the passive voice will lead to more concise and accurate language. Alternatively:

Editors, therefore, should not link to essays in a way that implies they are official policy, etc....

Thoughts? Eusebeus (talk) 20:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My main confusion is around what the real problem here is: the old language, and your proposal, both could be read as implying that ANY link to an essay is problematic. I still haven't seen, despite asking on the policy talk page, any specific example of the problem you are trying to solve with this change. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! The current wording is good. Eusebeus (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

essays and non essays linked from policy and process pages[edit]

US, I'm a bit concerned over the removing of essay tags from essays, or allowing writings at WP which are user opinions but not tagged as such. I don't want to get into a pissing contest in someone's user space, but I don't see linking to users space articles which aren't defined as opinion pieces (essays), as a good practice. There are a lot of shenanigans being pulled around the tagging of failed proposals including just saying, "OK it's not a process but we don't want a disclaimer on it, so we'll create a custom tag or leave it untagged. Some issues are innocuous on their own, but create bad precedent. It seems that no loophole goes unnoticed and un-abused at WP. --Kevin Murray (talk) 22:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Understood, KM, makes sense. I see you re-removed the link, which is great.UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for you understanding. --Kevin Murray (talk) 22:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

deprod of Dark of the Moon[edit]

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Dark of the Moon: Poems of Fantasy and the Macabre, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!

I think the sources listed satisfy the first criteria of WP:NB. All of the sources go beyond bibliographic details. The Joshi book, especially, speaks to the importance of the anthology describing it as "A pioneering and well-nigh definitive anthology of weird poetry".--Rtrace (talk) 04:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Radio UserLand[edit]

I was able to find some useful references for Radio UserLand using http://news.google.com/ , so I added them to the article and removed the prod you added. In many cases, an unreferenced article can be tuned into one with several good references by making a quick check for references at http://news.google.com/ --Eastmain (talk) 20:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Template[edit]

US, you are probably right that it shouldn't be at the template for long, but maybe it could do some good if it can stay up there for a day or so, enough to stir some thoughts. I don't think that the project will suffer too badly in the process. --Kevin Murray (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, but it has been pulled once; I would just suggest not re-adding it a second time if it is pulled a second time (and I won't do it). UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
OK. You were right the first time, and I was greedy with the perpetuation of my humor. --Kevin Murray (talk) 15:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Imao[edit]

In [10] you refer to WP:STYLE but I don't think the edit is in accordance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Red links (I agree the blog entry needed work). PrimeHunter (talk) 13:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I restored 3 non-piped blue links. How does that look? UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, but I made a couple of changes and removed {{prod}}.[11] Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Piping says "If the link is in the description instead of the subject, you may use piping in that link." PrimeHunter (talk) 15:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Good change. I am going to take it to AfD, because I still beleieve that if there are NO main articles it should be deleted. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
OK. A search [12] on imao shows several articles with different meaning, including some existing redlinks to people and a place called Imao. I haven't examined whether they are potentially notable for an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

S&P 500[edit]

Noticed your revert. It's an unsourced, unreliable external link in the content of an article. S&P 500 is prone to a buildup of external links, hence my referencing WP:NOT#LINK. But, by no means is that the only reason the link should be removed. I count at least number one and number eleven at WP:LINKSTOAVOID.   user:j    (aka justen)   02:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see that. Number one in WP:LINKSTOAVOID is completely hypothetical, and what is your evidence the site is a blog or personal webpage, and so vios number 11? I also note the link has been there since at least last October. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
"But these links have been here for a long time" is not reason to keep the link. It's been there for a long time because it was placed in the body of the article, rather than under "External links" where it should have been (unless it was intended to be an inline source, but it fails WP:RS, so it can't be a source). If you have a concern that number one at WP:ELNO is hypothetical, you should address your concern there, but I believe it is an important part of the policy. As for the link, it appears to have been created by an employee of a small technology consulting company who apparently is not an expert in finance or on the S&P 500, and who does not cite any sources for their content. It fails WP:ELNO, it fails WP:RS, and it needs to be removed.   user:j    (aka justen)   03:11, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
There are literally millions of external links in WP that, though neither references nor qualifying as reliable sources, are not grouped in the External Links section at the bottom; on what do you base your assertion that these in-line EL's should be removed? Also, I think the source has a chronology section that WOULD NOT be a part of the S&P 500 article were it to become a FA, so it actually does meet #1 in WP:LINKSTOAVOID. What guideline or poilcy are you going to pick next as your reason? (you've been through WP:NOT, WP:EL, WP:SPAM and WP:RS). UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Please reread number one at WP:ELNO. You just made the point for its removal yourself.   user:j    (aka justen)   03:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I made a typo. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, even without your making the point yourself, the fact remains that the link is not and should not be a "source," the majority if not all of its sourceable content would be included in a featured article, and combined with the unreliability of the link, it should be removed.   user:j    (aka justen)   04:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I guess there's no convincing you, or stopping you. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

(←) I'm not sure what you're trying to convince me of, exactly. The link fails WP:ELYES. It might have qualified under number three, but it isn't verified or reliable. The link fails WP:ELMAYBE. It might have qualified under number four, except for the fact that its authors have no reliably recognized knowledge in the subject area. The only criteria it does meet on WP:EL is under WP:ELNO, number one. Am I missing something here? As best I can tell, you're advocating for the keep of an unverified, unreliable, unsourced, external link masquerading inline as a source with little or no remarkable content that would not be included in the article itself were it a featured article. If you're going to try to convince me there's some reason to keep it, it's going to take more than "it's been here a long time," "every other article has inline external links," and "I don't agree with WP:ELNO number one."   user:j    (aka justen)   04:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I think is meets all three of the reasons in the intro. to WP:EL. It is:
  • "further research that is accurate and on-topic;"
  • "information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail;" and it is
  • "other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy."
WP:ELMAYBE is only giving examples of links that meet these general reasons. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Its "accuracy" is unreliable and unverified and its sources are uncited, thus your argument fails WP:ELYES. It also fails under number one at WP:ELNO. Again, am I missing something here?   user:j    (aka justen)   04:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

We do not link to external sites inline. Cases where we do simply haven't been picked up on yet.Geni 05:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit to List of science fiction conventions[edit]

I fail to see the logic in several of your edits to List of science fiction conventions. By removing redirects you distort the listing such that the name of the sponsoring organization is shown rather than the name of the event (convention) they sponsor. Since this is a list of conventions, not of organizations, at least some of your edits seem misleading. Thoughts? Mikek999 (talk) 17:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

It was not my intention to leave any non-convention links; thanks for pointing that out to me. I have removed the one that I saw off the bat and will take another scan through to see if there are any other ones. Thanks again. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
You mistake my point. First you removed the redirect to the convention (Boskone is the convention, the NESFA is the sponsoring organization) then use that as a reason to remove NESFA. In making these two edits you have removed one of the major conventions in the US (Boskone) from the list. Just because you don't like redirects? What is your logic? Try taking a look at the New England Science Fiction Association page if you don't get the distinction between the organization and the event. Full disclosure -- I am not associated with NESFA or with Boskone; in fact I've never been to one. Mikek999 (talk) 18:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I get it now; sometimes I am a little thick. How about the latest version? (and thanks again) UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Works for Boskone. I am not familiar enough with any of the other listed conventions (or at least purported conventions) affected by your original edit -- FaerieCon, etc. -- to personally address the correctness of those edits. For me I consider this a satisfactory conclusion, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other changes in that bunch are questioned or reverted by other editors. Mikek999 (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I question the deletion of ConQuesT from the list. It is a longstanding convention - 40 years. --Astein142 (talk) 20:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, AS142: the link was red when I did the deletion; that's why I encourage editors to write the article first. User:Orangemike put it back. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Working on an entry now. My first. May take a while to round up the documentation.--Astein142 (talk) 20:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Private equity[edit]

Noticed your recent addition to the list. Looks like an interesting company. Is it structured as a Business Development Company? Anyway, we can always use more help and would love to have you participate actively in the task force. |► ϋrbanяenewaℓTALK ◄| 01:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not a BDC. It is a holdover from the dot com days; most similar to CMGI, and interesting because it too is publicly traded (nasdaq: ICGE). At the peak, I think it had a $12 billion market cap.
I will help out in the task force when I can; I currently patrol List of venture capital firms to encourage editors to write the article first. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

{{Wipipedia}}[edit]

Please stop removing this template from articles. It is not a spam link; as these articles are sourced from Wipipedia, it is necessary for attribution under GFDL. I'm bulk-reverting your removals up to now. – iridescent 21:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

The template was deleted at the time I removed it; I thought deleted templates were supposed to be removed from articles? UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
It was good-faith deleted in error because you mis-tagged it as spam, and has already been undeleted. I've reverted all your removals of it; please don't remove this (or any other attribution template) without at the very least replacing them with attributions of the source, as these are necessary under GFDL. This was all explained on the talkpage of the template. – iridescent 21:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Ditto {{Spunk}}. Deleting and removing this was disruptive and having editors run around cleaning up after it is a waste of our time. It might be a better idea to nominate for TfD, or to consult the editors who use such templates or the creator of the template. See here for further details. Regards, Skomorokh 13:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Email[edit]

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~~~ has noticed you do not have your e-mail currently set up and is requesting you enable your EmailUser function. Thanks!
 MBisanz (talk) 13:50, August 21, 2008
I prefer the talk page to e-mail. If you put something here that you would like me to delete after reading, I will honor that request. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I understand. MBisanz talk 17:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Masry[edit]

Masry language is not a new language and wikipedia Masry has been approved and the notability has been aknowledged by the approval of the project , the examples for similar articles on wikipedias in different languages could be found in Category:Wikipedias by language and this page is meant to follow these examples and the article is meant to be like these articles.Ghaly (talk) 13:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Understood, and thanks. I removed the prod, and moved the article to an article name that conforms to those that the other articles use. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Fantasy Sports[edit]

You seem to be at odds with many of the fantasy sports entries saying they are not notable. I see you came up with a standard for Poker players. Could we do the same for fantasy sports writers/analysts/media professionals? There are not a lot of major media writing articles about these people, so it's hard to find 3rd-party sources. And the one Association which gives out legitimate awards (the FSWA) you pushed to delete the entry for lack of nobility. I understand where you are coming from and that you'd like to see more 3rd-party sources ... so I'm asking for help to justify these entries as this is an industry that has 30+ million people playing and a lot of interest in the top analysts and media sources. FantasyHistory (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I have nothing against Fantasy Sports (I am 1 of the 30 million players, in fact), but I am against unsourced articles; and that is what I said in the Poker discussion. Sources are the only justification for a WP entry. I would have no bias against recreation of the FSWA article if significant coverage in good sources can be found. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

fyi[edit]

FYI, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Many new redirects. I don't like creating these ugly redirects either but not sure what it harms. (I actually thought of a more interesting issue recently... are these index constituents the 'intellectual property' of S&P such that they shouldn't be duplicated here?) Whiskeydog (talk) 23:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up; I weighed in at ANI as well. The issue you thought of is interesting: coincidentally, I brought it up before at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007_March_13#Category:S&P 500, and it generated A LOT of discussion, when we deleted the category. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thnx, beau coup![edit]

Hello again, UnitedStatesian ...

Just wanted to give you an ATTABOY! for you recent updates to {{Flag-templates‎}}, {{Flag-article}}, and {{Flag-editor}} ... I noticed the changes in WP:A (I created the templates before it failed to reach consensus), but never wrote myself a note to go back and fix them. :-)

BTW, how often do you use them? Regularly, occasionally, seldom, or never? I just ran into a case (see this list) that made me start thinking about a multiple list version of the template for flagging editors about more than one article.

Also, do you have any suggestions/recommendations for Some Other Editor to create a bot for Category:Flagged articles? Someone did one for {{Oldprodfull}} updates to seconded PRODs, but I've lost track of them.

Happy Editing! — 72.75.117.122 (talk · contribs) 15:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Second question[edit]

Hello again ... should we also change these boilerplates?

They also reference the deprecated/legacy WP:A. — 72.75.117.122 (talk) 16:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Manolito18[edit]

Helo again, UnitedStatesian ...

I'm having trouble with Manolito18 (talk · contribs) regarding the {{Articleissues}} tag on Footbo (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views) that they have twice removed ... would you please intervene before this gets out of control?

See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Footbo. — 72.75.117.122 (talk) 03:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I am just a user, so there is not much I can do to help. One thing I can do is give you this suggestion: try raising the issue on User:Manolito18's usertalk page, which you have not yet done.
Also, have you considered setting up your own ID? Rightly or wrongly, User:Manolito18 may find it easier to engage with you if you were not contributing as an anonymous IP. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
My bad! I just noticed you in the list of recent editors, and thought that I'd let Some Other Editor voice some concerns so as not to give the appearance of a unilateral opinion ... No problemo if you would rather not get involved.
And I only need to use a registered account if I'm initiating an AfD. :-) — 72.75.117.122 (talk) 03:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Footnote: I asked Some Other Editor to mention removal of the {{Articleissues}} tag by an author, and that put a stop to it ... I guess I forgot to mention that with my original request for intervention ... I've left several messages on their Talk page, but they have not responded. <Sigh!> — 72.75.117.122 (talk) 19:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Footbo was closed as Delete, so the issue is moot. :-) — 72.75.117.122 (talk) 21:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

PROD-tag removed[edit]

Good day UnitedStatesian. Just a quick notice to inform you that I have removed your PROD-tag from article: Ridge Farm Studio. Please see the article's talk page for extended details. Thank you. 142.68.138.201 (talk) 12:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Alexandre Song[edit]

Hi there, please can you explain why you removed the legitimate links to Footbo.com from Alexandre Song's wiki-page? Thanks Inspiredminds (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the question. Both of the links were contrary to Wikipedia's guideline on external links. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of NovaMind information from List of Mind Mapping Software[edit]

Hi, the NovaMind entry was deleted from this page, and from the comment it appears that the reason was basically that "it's not big enough".

NovaMind is actually the biggest player in the Mind Mapping market on Mac, and currently about 6th on Windows and growing rapidly. The software has been on the market for over 6 years and is in active development, and we have just introduced NovaMind Connect social Mind Map sharing. It has been sold to people in over 90 countries and is available in 9 languages.

It has been the topic of many articles and reviews worldwide from many of the most highly respected sites and magazines in the industry - for instance InnovationTools which seems to be highly regarded on WikiPedia.

I therefore ask that the deletion be reversed.

The note with the deletion also may indicate that we need to have an article about NovaMind too - well it had suffered the same fate, but has since been restored and I will shortly be editing it to provide more complete and up to date information about NovaMind.

Once it is reinstated, I will change the link to point at the NovaMind article rather than the external link, now that the NovaMind article has been restored.

Thanks.

Gideon King, CEO, NovaMind Software Novamind (talk) 17:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

My removal was not due to NovaMind's size, but because the entry was made as link to NovaMind's website, and so violated Wikipedia's guidelines on external links. No that the entry links to the NovaMind article, it is fine. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Arby's Wendy's Triarc meger[edit]

Hi I noticed you did a great job at starting the Triarc page. As a result of the purchase of Wendy's Triarc decided to get rid of that name. It has been changed to Wendy's/Arby's Group. I have moved the triarc page to that along with changing a few things. I was hoping you could look at that page and let me know what you think of it. --Mihsfbstadium (talk) 00:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Your changes look great, although I moved it to the title without the "Inc" on the end, since that is what the naming conventions guideline dictates. I am sure there are still some improvements that could be made to the article going forward, but it looks pretty good. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Move[edit]

In view of this move, please look at the articles in Category:World_War_I_veterans entitled "Veterans of World War I who died in XXXX" and determine whether they should be moved as well. Thanks. -- Suntag 15:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, S, for the heads up: I agree that the others should be moved; I will take care of them over the next few days. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Paris, France (film)[edit]

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Paris, France (film), which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!

I added reviews and refs. MadScot (talk) 23:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

List of returned Peace Corps Volunteers[edit]

May I ask as to why you moved this page back? Without the word notable, or at least some other modifier, this list sounds like it includes every person who has ever been in the Peace Corps, and that certainly is not the case. Illinois2011 (talk) 04:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I read WP:SAL, but I don't like it. I think it's misleading. Illinois2011 (talk) 04:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Simone Devon[edit]

another editor prodded this for deletion, & I think you're the most recent active ed there. It probably does need at least one additional source discussing here from outside her deleted web p.-- but there's another alternative--I suggest that a page for her company might be appropriate, and you might want to split the contents. I must leave this to you, for I do not know where to find the relevant sources. Feel free to remove the tag if you improve it of course, and you or anyone is entitled to remove the prod tag in any case, but if it isn't improved, expect to see it then at afd. DGG (talk) 23:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The only edits I have done to that page are to remove backlinks when other articles were deleted. The "sources" currently on the page are not independent, I don't think notability is demonstrated, and so I seconded the proposed deletion using the {{prod2}} template. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Major Australian[edit]

Hello

You are moved [13]. You know that major warship is clasification in warships ? PMG (talk) 09:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Obviously not, or I would not have made the move. The list makes no indication that this is the case, nor does the warships article. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Redirects[edit]

In regard to William Hart(actor) and Rent (musical, you wrote that these were the only redirects on Wikipedia that were missing a space or a right parenthesis. How were you able to determine that they were the only ones? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

List of birds[edit]

I've undone your move of List of famous birds to replace List of birds. I've also requested that the article moved back to its original location since it does seem to be the Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC. I started a discussion here if you'd like to participate Talk:List of orders and families of birds#Requested move. Thanks. -- Dougie WII (talk) 08:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

YouTube Awards[edit]

I've put a {{hangon}} template on the page, because I do not believe the move is uncontroversial (I, at least, oppose it) and you've not started a discussion gathering consensus for the move. They speedy has been declined; if you still want to move the page, then you should probably start a discussion on the talk page. seresin ( ¡? )  04:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

list of organists[edit]

The ones I add (J. David Hart, Joseph Nolan, Pierre Pincemaille, Klaas Jan Mulder, Andre van Vliet and Rolf Henry Kunz) are NOTABLE organists. You may want to search the internet before you delete additions.

You are not the guard to the List of organists page.

And something else; some of your PRODS seem to be very important. I am generally starting to think that you are not a good contributor. --85.96.254.192 (talk) 12:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I am simply following Wikipedia's longstanding guideline for lists that limits list entries to articles with a WP article already (or one likely to be made soon). Have you considered writing the article on any of the organists you list? I freely admit I am not qualified to do so (I note that the link you added to Joseph Nolan leads to an aritcle on an Irish politician that mentions nothing about his organ playing; I fixed this link assuming it was bad, but Googling Joseph Nolan returns 18,300 hits, and none on the first page appear to be an organist). Nonetheless, the list should be limited to those organists where the notability is verifiable.
On the PRODs, if you let me know a specific deleted article that was on a very important topic, I am happy to ask the deleting admin to restore it (as I have gladly done many, many times before. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
It's just that, I am in the music business and can find out easily if one is a good musician or not. Searching google means nothing actually, since google returns whats on the internet. Anyway, for example, the article Search aggregator is in your PRODs list. I really don't understand why, cause its a great source for us programmers. I am also not good at writing articles, essays in general. I have to stop and write many times before it sounds good and I do not have that time. The day I retire (which I think is 50 years from now), I will sit down and write articles cause I will have nothing better to do. On the organists, we have an accord :) Sincerely, 85.96.254.192 (talk) 19:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that we do have an accord: I am going to continue to remove the unverifiable material from the List of organists page, including the redlinks. I only searched Google because you suggested I search the internet; how would you propose that I do so? If you create the articles (even if they are just stubs, with the bare amoutn of info. to allow further work), it will enable other editors to expand them into full articles. Or you can list them at Wikipedia:Requested articles/music#Classical_musicians_and_conductors, and they will be visible for other editors to create. They should not be this list before then, though.UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Move of Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc.[edit]

from WP:NCCORP:

Convention: The legal status of the company (Inc., plc or LLC), is not normally included, i.e. Microsoft or Wal-Mart. When disambiguation is needed the legal status, main company interest or "(company)" can be used to disambiguate. For example, Nike, Inc., Halifax (bank) or Converse (company).

In this case, disambiguation is needed to distinguish the article Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc. (about the company) from the article Pre-paid legal services (about the concept of legal service plans in general): otherwise, the only difference between the two titles is a matter of capitalization. Thanks, Dansiman (talk|Contribs) 06:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the differing capitalization is sufficient to distinguish the company and the concept, but I will defer to your feelings on this one. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

POF removal from List of online dating websites[edit]

Please see Talk:List of online dating websites#POF Removal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shields020 (talkcontribs) 05:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Business Failures/My Userpage[edit]

Why must you remove my additions without checking my userpage and the link on it? I never add something about a public company without checking the lists.TyrantSinner (talk) 02:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

The link does not work. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. It is working now.TyrantSinner (talk) 03:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

WIkipedia:Listcruft[edit]

I notice that you proposed a merger on this page. It's customary to explain the reasons for merging on the talk page, and I invite you to do so at Wikipedia talk:Listcruft. Stifle (talk) 09:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Stop playing "enforcer" about list titles please[edit]

Hey, I notice you have been moving/renaming many list titles citing Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists in your edit summaries. That is a Guideline, not a Policy, which is a big difference. I believe it is AGAINST various other wikipedia policies for one editor to go around disrupting a whole lot of articles. Note, it recommended in WP:SAL that names of stand-alone lists be established by consensus. So, as a previous editor or two has suggested on your Talk page before, please desist. I reverted one of your moves just now, not sure what else I want to review and revert in your recent history. Note, you are certainly welcome to raise rename/move suggestions at Talk pages of articles, however. doncram (talk) 02:35, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I disagree both with your characterization of my moves as "playing 'enforcer'" (which seems not to assume good faith on my part), and with your characterization of the moves as "disrupting," and I think the fact that yours is only the second revert of any of the WP:SAL moves is strong evidence that they follow Wikipedia consensus. Consensus does not need to be stated on every article's talk page in order for it to exist. WP:BOLD and WP:BRD make it very clear that moves can take place without discussion (and should, except in the case of high-visibility articles). Of course, I apprecaite your revert, and the discussion that will result on that list article's talk page as a result. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I am sorry if my being direct offends you. I was meaning to get your attention, although I concede I could have been more polite. Perhaps "Please don't start playing enforcer", instead? But that would not have been much different.
I think it is telling that you found it necessary edit your reply to me already, to cancel out your previous statement "that yours is the first revert of any of the WP:SAL moves is strong evidence" of consensus, in order to replace that by "yours is only the second revert". Are more reverts coming in, or will they? Other indications of your moves not reflecting or creating a new consensus are the comment(s) further above in this Talk page. For the one where I reverted you, and I project for others, I believe you have no past association with the article, and have not read the Talk page, and you really are not in position to judge what is or should be a new and different consensus. If you are in fact just breezing in as an uninvolved editor to various articles, then I think it is disrespectful to those who have been editing those articles, who probably have good reasons for the articles being named as they are. doncram (talk) 05:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Itex[edit]

That's not what disambiguation pages are for. Disambigation pages are to distinguish BETWEEN WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES, and as far as I can tell only one of the meanings of Itex has a Wikipedia article, and that is Itex Corporation. Accordingly, a redirect is appropriate. Once other articles are created, it can be changed back to a disambiguaiton page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hi, you are not United Statesman, are you? Chergles (talk) 21:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope, that's someone else. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you note[edit]

Hi - Thank you so much cleaning up our pages. Appreciated! Peter grotzinger (talk) 05:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

List of acquisitions by Cisco Systems[edit]

FYI. this? Is there a reason why you want to rm this entry to the list of acquisitions. Whether or not the linked article is deleted or not, this entry is important to this article as it should list ALL Cisco's acquisitions. rm the wikilink if needed.Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 14:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Christian Rudder article -- summary deletion of your tag?[edit]

I notice you tagged this article: "It is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern: no sources to indicate this person meets the notability requirements of WP:BIO"

The tag was deleted by some IP address, with no talk page -- but I still don't see any sources for notability, or anything! It looks like a vanity page, with peacock terms like "enormously successful," and uncited claims of "popularity" or "most popular" ...

I see no discussion on the article's talk page, and none on yours near the date of your tag. -- Rico 00:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:ASR vs. WP:STAND lead and selection criteria[edit]

Greetings. Thanks for taking an interest (hit-and-run as it may be) in the List of roller derby leagues stand-alone/spinout/whatever list, which I and a few others actively maintain. There was already quite a bit of discussion on Talk:List of roller derby leagues about the intro, which was was carefully written to deal with actual disputes over the existence and content of the list. The current phrasing has apparent consensus.

WP:ASR is a sensible style guideline, but it conflicts with WP:STAND#Lead and selection criteria, which encourages writing, for the benefit of would-be editors and readers alike, an explicit statement of criteria for list membership, including (in this case) a mention of reliable sources and more than just "this is a list of ___". There's really no way to do that without a degree of self-reference, so I think an exception should be made to WP:ASR here. I've reverted your deletion of the criteria until we can find some common ground on this issue.

You can reply here; I'm watching this page. —mjb (talk) 19:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the self-reference parts of the list should be on the talk page, rather than in the article text: see the treatment in List of events named massacres. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting[edit]

Me will type pretty one day. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

YVW, I am sure you would have done the same for me. If I had a nickl. . . UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk page template[edit]

D'oh! I should have realized. Like the section title says, thanks. Tom Harrison Talk 20:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

ISNA deletion tag[edit]

The links to the ISNA site no longer work on this page: Intersex Society of North America. I expect they've stopped paying hosting and maintenance fees as they folded over a year ago, so I've deleted the links. I notice that you placed a delete tag on the talk page a while back, but cannot find any discussion relating to this on Articles for Deletion. Was there a discussion, what was the outcome, does the discussion need to be closed? Given the org has folded and their site is down, most of this information could be moved elsewhere, as it is a note about a historic organisation which links to a new organisation established by the founder of ISNA. Mish (talk) 10:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like it's back up again - would still be interested in knowing outcome of that AfD. Mish (talk) 22:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Because the links are working again, I restored the version that had them. The deletion tag I placed on the article was the WP:PROD tag, which unlike WP:AFD does not lead to discussion and can be removed by any editor (which results in the article being kept). I still think the article is weak, but certainly there are many, many worse articles out there. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I see. So the tag stays until somebody either deletes the tag or an admin deletes the article? Mish (just an editor) (talk) 16:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Under the WP:PROD process, yes: the admins are supposed to delete the article if the tag is still there after 7 days. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of the Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien episodes[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of the Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien episodes. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Tavix |  Talk  15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

List of Norwegian photographers[edit]

Hi,

I recently added myself to your list of norwegian photographers, but it was removed a few days ago. Could I ask why? Maybe I have misunderstood, but I thought this list was supposed to be an actual list of norwegian photographers... Since I work 24/7 as a professional photographer for numerous Norwegian magazines, some of norways biggest companies, as well as international customers, doesn't that make me a norwegian photographer....?!

Cheers, Eivind —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erohne (talkcontribs) 12:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Lists of people in Wikipedia are supposed to be limited to the most highly notable, historically significant people; Wikipedia is not a directory. I am sure you understand and do not take it personally. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Thought it was meant to be more of an listing of norwegian photographers, living and dead, important and less important. So no personal feelings hurt here. :o)

Links in lists[edit]

Since when was an exception to WP:EL made to links in lists? Furthermore, slapping ref tags around a spam link does not make it a reference. What are you purporting to cite? The firm's existence? TastyPoutine talk (if you dare) 03:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Did I claim that WP:EL does not apply to lists? I think I only said that WP:EL does not apply to article references. And yes, in fact if WP says that a firm is a bicycle manufacturing company, it is appropriate to include a reference that can verify that fact. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Bridgeport Machines, Inc.[edit]

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Just a ping[edit]

Hello again, UnitedStatesian … we conversed for a while about a year ago here and here (and possibly others) when my IP was either 72.75.78.69 or 72.75.117.122 … this is just a ping to mention that I'm still here and doing the anon WikiGnome thing. :-) Happy Editing! — 141.156.175.125 (talk · contribs) 17:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of List of notable people associated with Tychy[edit]

I have nominated List of notable people associated with Tychy (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Bazj (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Encore[edit]

You removed Desert Inn (including Wilbur Clark's Desert Inn, ITT Sheraton Desert Inn, and MGM Desert Inn) as previous names from Encore, why? That's the site where it is located. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I think previous names is meant for where the same facility changes its name (like when the "old" MGM became Bally's). Perhaps the infobox template needs to be updated to add a "previously on site" field; if you agree let me know and I will make the change. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

List of digital library projects[edit]

Hi. Please join the discussions on the talkpage at Talk:List of digital library projects before deleting any more content from that list. As some of the people there say, it is an edge-case article, that could benefit from a touch of IAR, as well as some strong eventualism. Thanks. (please reply there). -- Quiddity (talk) 04:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I came here to echo it. I . Most of them simply belong in other sections, and should have been moved there, not deleted DGG ( talk ) 02:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Will do, give me a couple more days to kick it off on the talk page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


Sortable tables[edit]

Hi - I noticed you "fixed" the table for Silver Lake Partners into a different format. If you are interested you may want to look at some other tables in other PE articles:

|► ϋrбanяeneωaℓTALK ◄| 14:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks UR, you beat me to it: I was going to put a note on your talk page re: the same subject. Wikitable sortable is a great tool, and pretty easy to pick up (just look at the markup of the SLP page to see how its done). I encourage its use wherever possible, because it is much simpler than the raw html coding. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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Tom Dixon (industrial designer)[edit]

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AfD nomination of List of wealthiest historical figures[edit]

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List of notable cats[edit]

2009-11-08T03:15:23 UnitedStatesian (talk | contribs) m (55,152 bytes) (moved List of notable cats to List of cats over redirect: Per the WP:NC guideline, list should not have "notable" in their titles

Since you quote WP:Naming convention, please direct me what passage says such. I can not see that "notable" should be not in their titles on the NC page. I opened a discussion at the talk page, and I think your edit summary is way insufficient. In addition, your edit to List of notable cats seems you want to prevent anyone from moving List of cats back to there. That is not a good practice.--Caspian blue 14:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey CB, thanks for the question: the shortcut to the subguideline is at WP:LISTNAME, and the text reads: ". . . "notable" is assumed, and that word (or similar subjective words such as "famous," "noted," "prominent," etc.) should not be included in the title of a list article." List of dogs and List of wolves, along with many, many others, are done the same way. I'll repeat this at the article talk page as well.
And if the consensus is to do so, an administrator can always move the article back. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Magibon[edit]

Thank you very much for your help to me in setting up the nomination for deletion!Pisomojado (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC).

Anil Ambani[edit]

The forbes list which had Anil Ambani's wealth as 10 Billion $ was made in March 2009, it seems to have been superseded by the India today link given . trakesht (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

re: Michael Adler[edit]

The Michael Adler that those articles were linking to is a figure skater and is not the same Michael Adler who was the subject of the deletion debate for the "Michael Adler" wiki article. Therefore, afd has not declared him unworthy of an article. Should someone create an article on the figure skater Michael Adler at Michael Adler, it will be linked to by relevant articles and will not be an orphan. Kolindigo (talk) 05:02, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion nomination of List of richest Americans in history to 1998[edit]

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Speedy deletion declined: At the gates production[edit]

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Removed prod from Bruce Crump.[edit]

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Speedy deletion declined: Amino Communications[edit]

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Google Books[edit]

Hi, I noticed this edit of yours, claiming a WP:EL violation. Mind explaining that? Paradoctor (talk) 03:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Number 15 at WP:ELNO says to avoid "links to sites already linked through Wikipedia sourcing tools. For example, instead of linking to a commercial book site, consider the "ISBN" linking format, which gives readers an opportunity to search a wide variety of free and non-free book sources." Hope that helps. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Never looked at it this way. Thanks, I'll raise the issue at WP:ELN. Regards, Paradoctor (talk) 03:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Forbes and list of billionaires[edit]

I notice you reverted my change to list of billionaires which I had tried to justify on the talk page. In your edit summary you said we ought to discuss it on the talk page, which is odd. Did you read the talk page? After calling for the discussion on the talk page did you go there to see if one was taking place? Please read Wikipedia:Revert before doing any more reverts; it gives some good advice on how to edit wikipedia in a civil, constructive, and collaborative manner. Thank you, ErikHaugen (talk) 02:57, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I just saw your post on Talk:List of billionaires(cut me a little slack for not seeing it: your post was in response to a nine-month old post, and was 15 topics older than the current latest post). I responded there, and look forward to continuing the dialogue. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
No need to apologize. A suggestion, though - if you want to see if an edit has been discussed on the talk page, you can search for the author's name in the talk page. Most browsers let you do this with ctrl-f or something similar - perhaps a menu item that says "search" or "find." Also, you can look at the history of the talk page, by going to the talk page and clicking on the "history" tab (fifth from the left, usually); here, you would have seen my edit near the top if that is easier. ErikHaugen (talk) 15:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Moving of Notable Yadavs to List of Yadavs[edit]

In your edit comment you said that this title is more appropriate, however I feel that since that only notable people are to be included should the list clarify the same? I think List of Notable Yadavs should be better. Harsh Mujhse baat kijiye(Talk) 21:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey Harsh: the guideline that controls the naming of list is the stand-alone lists guideline, which says that in titles '"notable' is assumed, and that word (or similar subjective words such as 'famous,' "noted,' 'prominent,' etc.) should not be included in the title of a list article." Hope this helps.UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

MOS Taskforce – lists[edit]

Great to have you on board. I've gotten the ball rolling here. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Removed PROD on Atlantic and Mexican Gulf Canal Company[edit]

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PROD on Datasheet Archive[edit]

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Discussion at Wikipedia Talk:What Wikipedia is not#How is Wikipedia a gazetteer? How is Wikipedia not a gazetteer?[edit]

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Speedy deletion declined: McAlester, OK µSA[edit]

Hello UnitedStatesian. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of McAlester, OK µSA, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: R3 only applies to recent redirects. Use WP:RFD instead. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Mohave Power Station[edit]

Please do not remove references that have a bad url. Please replace them with another source or find an archive of the page. Doing this maintains the quality of the article. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Kogswell Revisited[edit]

Hi,

The Kogswell Cycles article is, once again, being considered for deletion, here. Since you have prodded and deprodded it in the past, I would consider your input valuable in the current debate. Thanks! Ebikeguy (talk) 19:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to say "Thanks" for your input. It is good to get balanced opinions from knowledgeable editors. Ebikeguy (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Refs have been added from a 9/2010 article in Bicycle Times, which is a major consumer magazine with circulation of ~50K, and biking.com. I point out this recent coverage by a major media outlet in the hope that you will reconsider your vote to delete. If not, I understand. Many thanks. Ebikeguy (talk) 15:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

System of record[edit]

I see that you put a PROD on System of record. An anonymous editor wrote on the talk page of the article "I just tried to consult this article as an information-seeker, so I would object against a simple deletion (improvement notwithstanding)", and then another editor removed the PROD, with the edit summary "Removed prod, contested on talk page by 212.79.168.210". Clearly "I have tried to consult this article" is not a grounds for keeping under Wikipedia guidelines, so you may like to take the article to AfD if you still think it should be deleted. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:14, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

list of historic landslides[edit]

I've replied on the talk page over at list of historic landslides at more length, but in short, yes, they should be merged. Argyriou (talk) 06:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Please look at the discussion I started at Talk:List of landslides and join in. Thanks, Argyriou (talk) 18:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Mylan Speedy deletion[edit]

I have declined the G6 Speedy deletion declined.

Please discuss this on the talk page - what makes Mylan Inc. the primary topic? There are several other Mylans on Wikipedia, including Megan Mylan, Richard Mylan, Mylan Classic... This page might be better as a disambiguation page, but either way a community discussion is required, I believe.

Regards, PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 02:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Too many categories[edit]

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Occidental Petroleum[edit]

Hi UnitedStatesian-- I noticed that you've listed yourself as a part of WikiProject Companies. I'm currently looking for feedback on draft revisions to some sections of the Occidental Petroleum article. The article talk page isn't very high-traffic, so I've run into trouble getting feedback from other editors. If you're interested in helping out, you can find my draft at User:CBuiltother/Occidental Petroleum Controversy, and feel free to leave any comments on the talk page. Thanks! --CBuiltother (talk) 17:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

An article you previously participated in the AFD for, is at AFD once again[edit]

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Greetings[edit]

Hi there! I got impressed by articles you created. I mean it! =) And I have a favour to ask of you. There is no article about "ADP employment report" in English. Could you please create one? I am asking you because I have found out on your personal page that you are specialized in the US business and economics. Just to note that I have already created two articles about ADP E.R. in two different languages. They are Russian and Kazakh. But the information is poor. And the reason why I do not create an article in English is that I am afraid if most of the information I copy from this web-site.

I thank you for considering the message.

Best regards, Aiym Ime-Ventures (talk) 06:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for messing up ...[edit]

... the centerpiece of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy at WPAPO:LIST. No note in the talk page, no consensus, completely contrary to MOS:APO. Vague reference to "follow conventional WP naming". What is that supposed to mean, this: WP:NCLL? Weak command of the English language?

This is why I hate WP. --Hutcher (talk) 04:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Apologies. Why I love Wikipedia is that any screw-ups (and I don't think mine was one) can be fixed pretty easily. I have replied to the specific issue you raise at the Wikiproject talk page, as well as making some related change to the project page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Institute for Advanced Science & Engineering for deletion[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Comprehensive telecom reform[edit]

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Redlinks[edit]

You have been referred to in a discussion at WP:VP/P#Redlinks in lists and dab pages. SpinningSpark 18:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Walking[edit]

UnitedStatesian - I have noticed that you have contributed to the List of people who have walked across the United States, and cordially invite you to participate in a new WikiProject Walking that I have proposed. Your support for the project, active or passive, would be appreciated. Bezza84 (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, happy to help out! UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

List of gentlemen's clubs in the United States[edit]

You moved List of traditional gentlemen's clubs in the United States to List of gentlemen's clubs in the United States, apparently without noticing the requested move discussion result on the talk page. Please revert your move. Binksternet (talk) 03:36, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Strike that. I see you are not an administrator, so you will not be able to make this change. Binksternet (talk) 03:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Apologies, my screw-up. Teach me to edit late at night. Will repeat on the article talk page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion: Tornado (band)[edit]

Hi. Just to let you know that I have declined speedy deletion of this article as it has been declined before. An article that has been declined for speedy deletion cannot be nominated for speedy deletion again. I would suggest AFD instead. Stephen! Coming... 20:17, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


Terrence E. McNally[edit]

I think as an actor and a director of a cult film, he's notable. I removed your prod tag, but feel free to send it to WP:AfD. Bearian (talk) 23:27, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Gaiety Theatre[edit]

I don't understand the reasoning behind this [14] change. Can you explain. Thanks. As instructed (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:20, 3 December 2011 (UTC).

The logic is at WP:PIPING: piped links should not be used in disambiguation pages. However I should have cleaned up the underscores, which I have just done. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:54, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination of List of richest American politicians for deletion[edit]

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Speedy deletion declined: Living Water[edit]

Hello UnitedStatesian. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Living Water, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Previous article was about a film, not a musical group. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:05, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

The title indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles[edit]

It's pretty clear why, generally speaking, articles should not include the word "notable". "List of notable buildings" is just redundant given the fact that this is an encyclopedia, and everything in it should be notable. It's just not necessary to say "notable". This is a good general guideline and should be implemented whenever the reason it was written is present, i.e.: the word is not necessary.

However, in the case of "List of dogs", it does seem to be necessary, and there is a very good reason to include it. As WP:Article titles states, the important thing is that title indicate what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles. "List of dogs" fails to do this. Notice, please that "Lassie, Snoopy, Brian from Family Guy" is also a list of dogs, as are "German Shepard, Chihuahua, Fox hound", "Spiten, terrier, spaniel", and "mongrel, pariah, sled dog". As you can see, the title "list of dogs" does not clearly indicate what the article is about or distinguish it from other articles, which is the most important thing. Therefore, please do revert the undo of the recent move from "List of dogs" to "List of notable dogs".

Thank you for your kind attention and happy editing!

Chrisrus (talk) 17:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I am not going to revert the move, because I think WP consensus is that there is a better way around the issue you identify: we have List of dogs and List of dog breeds to distinguish the two (and in fact a hatnote at the top of List of dogs directs the reader to the other list. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:04, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The move to "List of dogs" was a bad, but good-faith, move. The current title, "List of dogs", makes the article appear as it is to name every single dog on the planet. That list is to deal with notable dogs, and only those. Hill Crest's WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 01:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Ticker symbols in article leads[edit]

Hi. I saw some of your recent reverts of my edits (e.g., this one).

Can you explain why you think ticker symbols should go in the article's lead sentence? I read your comments at the policy village pump and it still isn't clear to me. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I think many users find the symbols there useful, as evidenced by the fact that they have been there in hundreds of articles, for many years, alongside the same content in the infobox, until just one month ago when you started removing them without any discussion, and manufactured a page to enable you to use misleading edit summaries while doing so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Manufactured a page? You mean I created a page in the Wikipedia (meta-)namespace?
What about my edit summary was misleading? I mentioned that I was removing the ticker symbol from the article lead and cited a page that explained why.
Regarding usefulness, I'm not sure I follow. A lot of things might be useful to particular subsets of users in an article lead. Is there a reason to put particular emphasis on a NASDAQ ticker symbol in the first sentence of an article? --MZMcBride (talk) 17:59, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, there are many reasons. To get the full list, you would have to ask every one of the many hundreds of editors who put a ticker template into the lead sentence. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
In this case, you personally have re-inserted the ticker symbol into a few article leads. So I'm asking you. :-)
Why do you feel this NASDAQ ticker symbol should be included in article leads? In my research of this practice, it doesn't seem like an encyclopedic practice to me. It's fairly common in (financial) newspapers, though. I may ask other editors later, but for now, as you're reverting my edits, I'm asking you. Why do you feel these NASDAQ ticker symbols should go in the first sentence of the article with a link to nasdaq.com? --MZMcBride (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I feel that any external link (and wikilink, for that matter) that is in the infobox should also be in the article text, and that the readers of WP articles on publicly traded companies have come to expect to see the exchange link template in the lead sentence. Is the presence of any external link "an encyclopedic practice" to you? Most important, though, I feel very strongly that it doesn't matter what I think, or what you think, but only what consensus is, and consensus is clearly to have these links in the lead sentence. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, as Ds13 has noted, we specifically do not include an external link to a site in the article's lead section. For example, Microsoft, Google, and Apple Inc. do not include links to microsoft.com, google.com, or apple.com in their leads. External links are fine in the "External links" section. In this case we're not really not talking about a general external link, though.
Regarding consensus, I think there's some historical inertia behind the practice, but I don't think there's much (any?) evidence to suggest that there is a clear consensus for the inclusion of these ticker symbols in article leads, as you suggest. If you know of any previous discussion on the matter (where consensus may have been gathered or gauged), I'd be very interested to read it. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
One person's historical inertia is another person's consensus. The widespread, nearly universal prevalence of the practice (before the last month, when you started removing them) is definitive evidence for consensus. We do not require discussion to establish consensus, only to change consensus. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Is there any evidence for your claim that this practice is nearly universal? I started clicking through Category:Companies listed on NASDAQ and it wasn't difficult to find articles that don't include a ticker symbol in the article lead. For example, ASML Holding and Asiatravel.com. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

You must be joking: the evidence is the hundreds of removals you have preformed, and you are only up to the letter "C," and you haven't started on any of the other exchanges. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm not joking. You said it was nearly universal. I'm asking for evidence for that claim. Having studied the prevalence, it certainly is a common practice, particularly for tech-related articles, but I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that it's nearly universal. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:19, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
So how can you argue that the "common practice" you concede is not evidence of consensus? UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure you have a firm grasp of the word "consensus" or how it relates to English Wikipedia content decisions. Your and Apteva's recent comments make this pretty clear. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Please, educate me. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:57, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Simply because something is (currently) common doesn't mean it's a very good idea going forward. As I noted at WP:TICKER, a lot of these stock ticker symbols were added at a time when infoboxes didn't exist. I dug through page histories to find examples of this. Looking at other articles (such as the ones cited above: ASML Holding and Asiatravel.com), it appears that due to the existence of the traded_as infobox template parameter, users have stopped including the ticker symbol in the article lead.
Some people have made it seem as though I originated the ideas found in WP:TICKER about placement of ticker symbols, but when we look at Template:New York Stock Exchange/doc, from May 2009, it's pretty explicit that the practice of including the ticker symbols in article leads was becoming deprecated. Only in cases where no infobox is present was it recommended to include a ticker symbol in the article lead. You'll notice that all of my edits were to pages where the ticker symbol was already in the infobox.
Articles have a tendency to follow other articles. If someone adds an infobox to the Microsoft article, it's to be expected that the Apple Inc. and Google articles will soon have infoboxes. The same is true of navboxes or ticker symbols or anything else. So something can become a common practice, but not necessarily have any consensus behind it, per se.
A lot of the conversation in recent days has focused on the means rather than the ends. At some point, probably after the current MFD is finished, we'll need to have a reasoned discussion about whether continuing to place ticker symbols in article leads is a good idea. I believe the practice is not very encyclopedic and should be deprecated. Others disagree. We'll see what happens. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, means do matter: I would argue that the time for discussion is before hundreds of articles are changed. Would you not agree? UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:30, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Maybe. I created a page explaining my actions, made a few changes to maybe half a dozen articles in early September, then waited about a month for any complaints. When there weren't any complaints, I moved forward. There isn't really a great place to discuss a change like this, I don't think. The policy village pump doesn't really work as this isn't policy. I suggested maybe merging WP:TICKER into the Manual of Style, but there were objections to that (albeit largely baseless ones).

There's also a reasonable argument to be made that this was a very minor change. Nothing is really being deleted from any articles. That is, the ticker symbols aren't being removed completely, just made less prominent. So the amount of debate, discussion, and consensus needed really shouldn't be that high, in theory.

In an ideal world, what would you have liked to see happen? I ask because we'll still need to have a discussion in the future about this topic, so figuring out next steps will be very helpful. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I think raising the proposal on Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies before doing any removals from the lead sentence would have done the trick. And I think that is where the current discussion should be taking place. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:15, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Would like your input on my addition to the article added HERE. I've added some wikilinks to several related guidelines, added a font color to "redlink" and added an excerpt from WP:LISTPURP. A slight bit of copyediting, however I think its withing the spirit of the essay. I've recently made a "freind" from List of real-time operating systems who has followed me over to "Write the article first", so your eyes on this would be nice. cheers--Hu12 (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey H12: those changes look great. Let me know if I can be of any help (there is less to do now that List of social networking websites is fully protected) UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Ticker symbols in article leads and next steps[edit]

Hi. I'm contacting you as you participated in the policy village pump discussion regarding ticker symbols in article leads.

I've posted a section here about next steps to take, specifically examining whether an RFC is needed to reach a clear consensus on this issue. If you have the time and/or inclination to weigh in, please do! --MZMcBride (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I have both the time and the inclination! UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:06, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I really don't see why you felt the need to change WP:LEAD so it supported your position when there's already an RfC going on. Legoktm (talk) 19:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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I noticed that you made a copy edit to another user's talk page comments. You also seemed a bit surprised when I stated that subsequently editing your comments without indicating might be confusing. I thought you might want to take a look at WP:TPO and WP:REDACT. AgnosticAphid talk 22:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, lost track in the indents of whether it was my typo or not. I have put it back. And thanks for pointing me to WP:REDACT; will try to do that going forward. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. I fixed a small typo in NetScout Systems. Template:Infobox company uses a "traded_as" parameter, not "traded as". For reasons passing understanding, while page titles and links treat underscores and spaces as identical, template parameters do not. Just a heads up for you, not a big deal at all. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:20, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hadn't looked at the timestamp on your Monster Beverage edit. That was a bit quick on the trigger. And yeah, seems like a good idea. That other category was mainly redirects, and had the wrong name. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:36, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

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Excellent work with the galaxy group page. I'd been meaning to move it to its own page for a while, but you beat me to it. Keep up the good work. Italia2006 (talk) 19:21, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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List of Coffeehouse chains[edit]

I agree that it would be better to not be self-referential, but I believe we need something to tell editors not to put useless references in the list. Perhaps re-word that sentence to something like "List of articles describing coffee-house chains"? Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 20:41, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

This is an issue on many, many list pages, and I think on many of those it works via the talk page (and diligent monitoring by editors such as yourself - thanks for that!) without a self-reference. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Feedback needed on using special characters[edit]

Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like , IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Wikipedia, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.

Screenshot of the Insert menu in VisualEditor
The "insert" pulldown on the task bar of VisualEditor will lead you to the 'Special character' tool.
Screenshot of Special Characters tool
This is the Special character inserter as it appears on many wikis. (Some may have customized it.) Your feedback on this tool is particularly important.

Issues you might consider:

  • How often do you normally use Wikipedia's character inserters?
  • Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Wikipedia, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
  • How many special characters would you like to see at one time?
    • Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
    • How should the sections be split up? Should they be nested? Ordered?
    • How should the sections be navigated? Should there be a drop-down? A nested menu?
  • The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like and . Do you find that you need these missing characters? If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
  • Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
  • Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Yelp, Inc.[edit]

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Removing of picture's alts on Pilot (Lost)[edit]

Hi there, why'd you remove the alts of images in this edit? Thanks. -Newyorkadam (talk) 20:16, 14 March 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Please comment on Talk:Yelp, Inc.[edit]

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Category:Monster Beverage[edit]

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Valencia Assembly Plant[edit]

Hello. I am requesting help for expanding the article for the Ford Motor Company Valencia Assembly Plant in Valencia, Venezuela. The article is very short and does not have sufficient content. There are some confusing portions of the article. It doesn't support with enough references. I am requesting your help to assist me with restructuring the article. I am requesting contributions, guidance, references, information, and if possible, other users who are willing to help restructure the article. Thank you very much!--67.54.191.225 (talk) 15:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Valencia Assembly Plant[edit]

Hello. I am requesting help for expanding the article for the Ford Motor Company Valencia Assembly Plant in Valencia, Venezuela. The article is very short and does not have sufficient content. There are some confusing portions of the article. It doesn't support with enough references. I am requesting your help to assist me with restructuring the article. I am requesting contributions, guidance, references, information, and if possible, other users who are willing to help restructure the article. Thank you very much!--67.54.191.225 (talk) 15:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Re: CSD G4 of The Futon Critic[edit]

You tagged The Futon Critic for speedy deletion per G4, but this is false, as I create the article from scratch, which makes the claim of it being "substantially identical" to the previously deleted state irrelevant. Please remove the speedy deletion tag. 23W 05:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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Content deletion during merge process[edit]

When you merged Sixth Street Railroad Bridge to Parkersburg Bridge (CSX), you failed to merge significant information/categories/etc pertaining to the bridge's inclusion on the National Register of Historic Places, resulting in the deletion of that content from the article about the bridge. Was this intentional? Thanks-- Malepheasant (talk) 12:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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