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Category:Mad Roman emperors

Well, I felt it was a subset of Suicides/murders of Roman emperors, as the 2 often coincided. But true, not always. Neddyseagoon 18:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)neddyseagoon

Yes. The cat system doesn't describe fact so much as logic. For example, every single President of the United States to date has been an English-speaker; yet "Presidents of the United States" could never be a subcategory of "English-speakers": it is not a requirement of the job, nor is it in any way intrinsically related. Bill 18:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Tyranni XXX (+II)

Sorry for being wrong about the "two women" - should have read the lot.

However, leaving a note here because I get a "connection refused" for the Penelope server (LacusCurtius website). Any idea if something is going on/wrong? --Francis Schonken 11:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Something is a bit wrong, apparently parts of the server are down. I'm still getting my e-mail and I can still FTP, but I can't connect to the site. (I don't understand computers.... But my server guy does, and it'll prolly be back up when he wakes up in say 3 or 4 hours.) It is, at any rate, quite temporary. Best, Bill 11:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Alive & kicking again!

Well, in the end I'm starting to doubt whether I was wrong about the two women. I give the full quote of the text at the end of HA, Thirty Pretenders, 31 (which is the end of the Victoria chapter, making the transition to the last two pretenders). I bold the section that makes me think the – otherwise confused & confusing as you indicated – author(s) of the HA counted the women out (deep link to that section):

5This is all that I have deemed worthy of being related concerning the thirty pretenders, all of whom I have gathered into one book, lest the telling of each single detail about each one singly might bring about an aversion that is undeserved and not to be borne by my readers. 6Now I will return to the Emperor Claudius. Concerning him I think I should publish a special book, short though it be, for his manner of life deserves it, and I must say something, besides, about that peerless man, his brother,116 in order that at least a few facts may be told of so righteous and noble a family.
7It was with deliberate purpose that I included the women, namely that I might make a mock of Gallienus, a greater monster than whom the Roman state has never endured; now I will add two pretenders besides, supernumeraries, so to speak, for they lived each at a different period, since one was of the time of Maximinus, the other of the time of Claudius, my purpose being to include in this book the lives of thirty pretenders. 8I ask you, accordingly, you who have received this book now completed, to look on my plan with favour and to consent to add to your volume these two, whom I had purposed to include after Claudius and Aurelian among those who lived between Tacitus and Diocletian, just as I included the elder Valens117 in this present book. 9This error on my part, however, your accurate learning, mindful of history, prevented. 10And so I am grateful that the kindliness of your wisdom has filled out my title. Now no one in the Temple of Peace118 will say that among the pretenders I included women, female pretenders, forsooth, or, rather, pretendresses — for this they are wont to bandy about concerning me with merriment and jests. 11They have now the number complete, gathered into my writings from the secret stores of history. For 12I will add to my work Titus and Censorinus, the former of whom, as I have said, lived under Maximinus and the latter under Claudius, but both were slain by the very soldiers who clothed them with the purple.

Literally he says something like: I'll add two more (Titus and Censorinus), because I don't want to have it said that I counted two women in (in what the author deems to be a serious historic work).

Or did I misapprehend the stately and slightly outdated English of the Loeb translation? (I'm still no native English speaker...).

No, your English is fine. I reread this a few times, as well as the Latin. It's exceedingly hard to say what exactly he did mean. On one hand it's clear — my initial fast reading — that his supernumeraries are T & C; on the other, he certainly does seem to be saying that he's throwing out the women and adding in men to be sure of making 30. The HA is such appalling gibberish.... An intelligent way out — more than the HA deserves — might be to give a nod to the whole situation, stating that the author could only come up with 28, and added two different sets of 2 to make 30, in each case "scraping the bottom of the barrel" in different ways: (1) the first time, women; (2) the second time, people that even he doesn't think should be in there, just in case it were felt that women were unsuitable. This is well past anything I want to spend time on, and anything you'd write along those lines would make as much sense as anything else.

Another question, if you feel like, I updated List of borderline fictional characters today - was wondering what you'd think of the approach on that page? --Francis Schonken 19:43, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't know about the approach, but extending the list is fun. There are quite a few people who are borderline-fictional, and (larger category) quite a few animals, plants, and natural phenomena as well, like Herodotus' gold-mining ants, the unicorn (an 18c French explorer in Oklahoma saw Indians roasting one over a campfire; see also cryptozoology and Category:Fictional plant species). Already in Antiquity there were people the ancients themselves found borderline — apart from the many thousands of usually rather dull "aetiological" people, including in the Bible, who are just names to justify modern tribe or place nomenclature.

tx for ordering them again chronologically – that's the way I had started the list, someone didn't understand and re-arranged alphabetically, I suppose I thought something along the lines of well past anything I want to spend time on (I mean, likeliness to kick of stupid revert-warring or so). But sure, such list is much better in chronological order. --Francis Schonken 22:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You may be amused by my own Johann Nepomuk Offdewallensis and Mishmash of Alexandria, which have been taken to be real by some people online! although my most "successful" such item by far, embarrasingly and distractingly so, is the two origins of the silly pseudo-Latin phrase "Illegitimi Non Carborundum" (1 • 2). Bill 20:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Fun indeed! But you know what... I started the borderline fictional characters list out of practical necessity; at the time I was working at the wikipedia:categorisation of people guideline. Some wikipedians contended it was impossible to make categories about topics that had definition issues (like criminals and the like). Then I said something like: but there's absolutely no topic that doesn't have "demarcation" issues. Before I knew I was having fun describing the unexpectedly broad borderzone surrounding something obvious as "people" vs. "anything else"... So, don't just call "fun" which is very serious business (but, yeah, it is at least "interesting" fun) --Francis Schonken 22:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you know about the Boreal Master? Septentrionalis 16:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Monumentum Ancyranum

Thanks for putting this on the web. I'm using it at Talk:Perpetual peace to answer a monomaniac who is choosing to dfeny that conquerors have promise peace through conquest; for more of his vision of history, see Never at War. Septentrionalis 16:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Dominion of British West Florida

Thanks for correcting the article link. Bo 16:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Requesting short translation

I'm working on translating a biography from Italian to English, in order to write a featured article. If possible, can you please translate just this paragraph:

Della, infanzia e prima sua giovinezza assai poco ne sappiamo, giacchè nè egli, nè chi di lui scrisse non si curarono dirne o ricercarne: suoi genitori furono Paolo e Luisa (1), assai presto mancatigli: che nascesse nel 1534 è troppo grave abbaglio del Buratti, il quale, fornito di scarsissime notizie, volle scriverne un elogio (2), ma poichè nulla avvi di certo, io sono propenso a credere ch'egli venisse alla luce circa il 1523 o poco più lardi, giacchè da lui stesso impariamo come nella infanzia fosse stalo travagliato da quella pestilenza, che egli, scrivendo nel 1563, dice essere stata l'ultima (1), e dev'essere quella fierissima dell'anno 1527 seppur non fu quella del seguente o di tre anni dopo.

Thanks for your help :) — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2006-03-14 04:42

Of his childhood and his first youth we know rather little, since neither he nor anyone who writes about him cared to recount or research it: his parents were Paolo and Luisa (1), who very quickly left him an orphan; that he was born in 1534 is a serious blunder by Buratti, who, possessed of very slight information, wished to write a panegyric of him (2); but since there is nothing certain, I am inclined to think that he saw the light of day around 1523 or not much later, since from his own lips we learn how in infancy he was attacked by the same pestilence that he, writing in 1563, states was the last one (1), and it must be the very severe one of the year 1527 unless maybe it was that of the following year or of three years later. Bill 12:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

San Gregorio al Celio

Hi! How are you? Ho appena completato l'articolo su San Gregorio Magno, la chiesa sul Celio. ti va di dare un'occhiata per corregere eventuali errori? Sempre su Roma, ho scritto l'articolo per Agostino Chigi, relativo a Villa Farnesina... Ciao! Attilios

Bé, come sempre, molto occupato e in fretta! Gli errori sono come sempre piccolini. Mi avrà rammentato di scrivere mie paginette sugli oratori — nel frattempo, il mio diario potrà aver qualche interesse. Saluti, Bill 12:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Terracina

If you've time, give glance to the new Terracina article. The older one was truly stupid, as many new monuments were discovered after the This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). Encyclopædia Britannica (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help) editions. I'm growing increasingly dubious the presence of such 1911 articles in WP, as they : 1) are written in very POV-ish English; 2) sono pieni di errori, sia tipografici sia di interpretazione. Grazie per la revisione di San Gregorio al Celio. Ciaoooo! Attilios, today.

Very nice. Plus I learned a word of Italian, impaludazione — che, certo, avrei capito, ma mai usato da sé. There is no good corresponding word in English, unfortunately, altho one does see marshification, which I will not use. The name of the god in English is Jupiter, although in the 17-18c one frequently sees Jove. Beware the English possessive, which never fails to trip up even the best-Englished foreigners.... "The faithful", and in general, adjectives used as nouns, do not take an -s in the plural. References to specific passages of Pliny or other ancient authors: the most useful thing is surely to make the link take you to the passage itself online, rather than the Wikipedia article on the author.

Gli errori tipografici nelle trascrizioni della EB 1911 sono pressoché sempre dovuti alla scannerizazzione fatta da Wikipedani che non guardano, non capiscono, o se ne fregano.... Bill 13:16, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Grazie. Ora controllo la versione corretta. Per quanto riguarda la 1911 EB, io parlavo di veri errori nell'articolo originale. In quello di Gaeta, per esempio, ce n'erano parecchi, anche se ora non me li ricordo. Errori dovuti secondo me: 1) a una visione molto "British" della cultura: tipo i nomi scritti con grafie arcaiche oppure mai sentite in Italiano. 2) ovviamente al tempo trascorso dal 1911 (vedi il Capitolium di Terracina scoperto dopo il 1943). Gli articoli sui pittori, per fare un esempio, oggigiorno sono illeggibili e pieni di pregiudizi (quello di Verrocchio, ad esempio, andrebbe modernizzato, anche perché sull'Encyclopaedia Britannica di oggi - che ho in casa - è nettamente migliore di quello di WP: è assurdo che su WP ci sia un articolo di 10 pagine su Flash, e così poco su Verrocchio). Grazie per i consigli sull'inglese. Alla prossima!!! Attilios

Fondi and Siege of Gaeta

Hey! Today I had time and worked much. Improved Fondi and wrote from scratch Siege of Gaeta. As usual, I leave them to your pity to correct a bit my English. Ciaoooo!! Attilios.

Ciao Bill! Ho scovato un errore notevole della 1911, per la quale Ausones e Aurunci erano la stessa tribù. Se hai tempo dai un'occhiata per correzioni a quei due articoli: negli ultimi giorni ho scritto anche Asti, Sarzana, Ezzelino III da Romano, Ezzelino da Romano. Altra perla dalla 1911: "the Vandals under Alaric (Vicenza). Grazie!!!! User:Attilios

New account

Hello - This account was created a few minutes ago. Is it related to yours? --HappyCamper 00:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Bill 02:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Bevan's "The House of Ptolemy"

Hi there. I have recently discovered your website that has Bevan's work "The House of Ptolemy" online. I have started reading it and have found it absolutely fascinating. Thanks for providing this incredible online resource (and all the other online texts). I have been considering using this resource to improve some of the Wikipedia articles on the Ptolemaic dynasty, but wanted to check how reliable a resource it is nearly 80 years later. ie. How much of what Bevan writes has been overtaken by later historical research, and how much is still valid?

This interest started when I expanded the Ptolemy (disambiguation) page. I have tried not to get confused by all the Ptolemies, but would appreciate any feedback on whether I have missed any Ptolemies, or misrepresented them. Thanks for any advice you can offer. Carcharoth 00:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and advice. Much appreciated. Would you be able to give any examples of the "mere detail" that modern scholarship departs from Bevan on? Just so I have some idea what to look out for? Carcharoth 01:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Not offhand, but as you roam around Bennett's site, he'll reference Bevan (linking back to me), then comment on where Bevan is, according to him, outdated, etc. Bill 02:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

That's great. Thanks. BTW, I read your evolving views on Wikipedia, and a lot of what you said chimes with the way I feel as well. I loved the idea of a strike and articles "liquefying to sludge". Indeed, I fear that is the ultimate fate of something like this - a kind of entropy as order gives way and returns to the primeval chaos that it arose from... Oops. Been reading too much Greek mythology!

The hope is, of course, that frozen snapshots of Wikipedia are obtained at the right moment. I also agree with your comments about registration and traceability. About your comment on how writing by committee flattens the authorial tone, I think that can sometimes be a good thing. I think the solution here would be to have the Wikipedia articles have that "flat" voice, and then allow people to generate forks of the articles that inject individual narrative voices. It is possible to have articles saying exactly the same thing, but written in totally different styles. Bevan's style in 'The House of Ptolemy' is a good example, as are some of the 1911 Britannica articles. Different from the style of articles seen today, but compelling in their own ways, and no less valid. Carcharoth 02:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Ptolemy - part II

Hi Bill. Many thanks for the pointer to Bennett's Ptolemy page and the advice to ask him about things. I do have a more general question that I wondered if I could ask you. I am currently trying to find sources that give the etymology of the Greek Ptolemaios, and, more ambitiously, trying to track the variation and evolution of the name over the next 2000 years! For what I have compiled so far, see the relevant section in Ptolemy (disambiguation) or Ptolemy (name) - one will move to the other when I find the time to make sure I am carrying out the move correctly. Would you have any advice on the best way to tackle this etymology research? So far I have the Oxford Classical Dictionary and the rather large Paully-Wissowa encyclopedia series to find. Carcharoth 00:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Bevan [1] states that Ptolemaios is derived from the Macedonian Greek equivalent of polemos. What his sources are, I have no idea. The OCD in its various articles says nothing about the etymology. Bill 18:36, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Augustus

Thanks for your appreciation, Bill, I'm glad that you at least tried defending the facts and didn't simply assume that the troll was a vandal looking for trouble. Cheers. – C^razyInS^ane 14:58, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Todi

Added some material to Todi, after I visited that extrardinarily beautiful city last Sunday. I like it. It resembles something ready for a featured article... after some copyedit. I have some pictures to be added, especially of the palaces. Let me know, and... CIAO!! Attilios 14:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your copyedit. See you soon. Attilios 10:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Santa Maria della Vittoria

Do you have a picture of this church to add? Attilios (P.S.: I have noticed that the Todi's Nicchioni picture is from yours. Thanks!)

No. I cannot contribute photos to Wikipedia. Jim Wales made it clear in a memo about six months ago that no images would be accepted if they did not have a blanket license, and that pictures already used would be pulled if they had been licensed under anything less than a complete blanket license, which, despite all the cant about copyleft etc., is the equivalent of releasing it to the public domain. Now I am perfectly willing to allow the use of my pictures on a No-Commercial basis (the so‑called cc-by-nd-nc license), and Wikipedia used to support this, but they pulled that option. I had placed one photo in Wikipedia myself, but withdrew it after reading that memo. You can still see it at it:Trevi (Umbria), where for some reason they've been slower to implement it, and I in turn haven't bothered to pull it.

So no, that picture of the Nicchioni in the article Todi is not mine; and tsk-tsk — mine are better. Cars are a blight. Bill 13:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Santa Maria della Pace

I just added Santa Maria della Pace. Let me know if my architectural English is improving. I hope! Goodbye. User:Attilios

Largo di Torre Argentina

Una impressionante collezione di "perle" dall'articolo su Largo Torre Argentina.

• Torre Papito invece che Torre del Papitto.
• Casa del Bucardo invece che Burcardo
• Torre Argentoratina invece che Torre Argentina

Tralasciamo poi lo stile...

Non riesco proprio a spiegarmi come mai gli Anglosassoni commettono tutti questi stupidi errori quando si tratta di roba italiana. Io quando leggo qualcosa di inglese mica poi lo scrivo come pare a me, o no? Hai mai trovato su libri italiani "Palazzo di Westmister", "Wascinton" o "Wessecs". Boh?

Ciao!! Attilios

From Sansepolcro

Dear Bill, finally I can find some time to write to your english page. I'm Lorenzo, the Architect from Sansepolcro, who asked for an opinion about the ancient Biturgia of Ptolomy. Excuse my Late reply, but I've got some working trouble, and I also wanted to talk with GRAS (Gruppo Ricerche Archeologiche Sansepolcro) members.

So, now i think I've some more time. First of all, my e.mail:

loribop@aruba.it

as you may remember my e-mail towards you were refused all time.. i don't know ho to do. Meanwhile you have mine.

The Gras, doesn't have one yet, but there is a new. This winter was founded an association to work with the Gras. It is the CESQ (Centro Studi del Quaternario). And the Cesq has a newsletter, and if you wish I can make your name and subscrive you to it. It's obviously free.

Other thing. I talked with Gras members and president (Giampiero Laurenzi) about our discusison about Biturgia. He was very happy, and pleased me to thanks you for all the study and also for the discussion. Also, he said, if you came in Italy, near here, please let us know because all the GRAS would be pleased to have a visit from you!

So, thanks again, and let me know if you'd like to receive news from CESQ. bye, Lorenzo Daveri --81.75.149.41 09:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Please Help

Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 01:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

USMAPS help

Thanks for your help in the USMAPs article; it needed it. :) My brother just graduated there 2 weeks ago, and I plan to scan in his diploma for a better version of the West Point Prep crest. If you have any ideas please add, there wasn't very much that I could find.

Zidel333 04:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. You just encouraged me to clean it up a bit more. (I attended USMAPS in 1968‑69 and went on to the Air Force Academy; my info can be out of date, so I've been careful!) The most important thing that needed to be added, that wasn't stated anywhere, was that CCs are in the army.... Best, Bill 10:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Norcia

Hy Bill!

Let me in Italian.

La affermazione: "...to the point that Norcia has given its name to such products: in Italian, norcineria." non e' esatta dal punto di vista storico-concettuale.

Con "Norcineria" in italiano non si intende tutto cio' che ha a che vedere con il maiale, quanto il particolare tipo di negozio ( macelleria suina) dove sono venduti solo prodotti ricavati dalla carne di maiale.

Il fatto che questo genere di macellerie vengano definite in molte citta' della Italia centrale e meridionale "norcinerie" non e' dovuto al fatto che Norcia sia famosa per la lavorazione della carne di maiale quanto perche', originariamente, esse erano gestite da norcini, ovvero persone originarie della citta' di Norcia, che abbandonarono la propria citta' per impiantare attivita' commerciali altrove.

E' la parola "Salumi" che in italiano intende generalmente tutto cio' che ha a che vedere con la carne di maiale stagionata, mentre non esiste un termine alternativo a maiale per quanto riguarda la carne fresca.

Credo che la affermazione dovrebbe essere corretta.

Per confronto, controlla il seguente vocabolario italiano on-line alla voce "norcineria":

http://www.sapere.it/gr/DictionarySearchServlet

Con simpatia

Leoperutz 09:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Grazie per le precisazioni. La cosa è un po' sottile per Wikipedia, ma si non lo hai fatto già, provvederò alla correzione nell'articolo. Conoscevo certo salumi ecc. Chiedo scusa per la risposta tardiva, infatti sto tornando da un viaggio di tre settimane senza collegamento ad Internet, in un posto degli Stati Uniti più sperduto ancora di Norcia, e vengo di vedere mia paginetta Wikipedia soltanto stamane. Bill 10:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Churches of Rome Wiki

Hi Bill, good to see you on Wikipedia. Just wanted to let you know I'm closing down my Churches of Rome site soon, which is actually good news – I'm releasing it all under GFDL, adapting it and moving it to the Churches of Rome Wiki at Wikia. Cnyborg 00:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Dreadful news; your site has taken the first small step toward becoming worthless in a few years. I'm very sad to hear this, although I can understand that we all move on — but what's the matter with parking the site in its final form with a university, or the diocese? Bill 10:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The site has never reached a final form; there is simply too much work. I've found that as it was, the site was becoming more and more worthless, since updates were far too infrequent. With a hopefully somewhat larger community around it, there is a chance that it can become more up-to-date and grow. The site as it is has been saved, and will be available should anyone wish to have it parked somewhere. Continuing to use the diocesan server was not an option anymore, for several reasons which I won't go into in public. I've been approached by some universities, but their offers have not been acceptable (although one of them was quite generous in a pecunariy sense; the problem has been the rights to the content). As I see it, the alternative to this move was to let the site linger for a few more years and then take it down altogether. Cnyborg 20:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Dead link on Natural History (Pliny)

Hi there. I recently removed a link from Natural History (Pliny) and which you quickly re-instated. When I click the link, I get this message, "Forbidden You don't have permission to access /holland/index.html on this server."

You appear to be based at the University of Chicago, so you presumably have permission to access all their archived material, but the rest of the world doesn't. Perhaps you talk to someone at the university about loosening the restrictions on their website? I can't imagine the bandwidth used by folks researching Pliny is all that great.

Anyway, I'm going to cut out the link again, but feel free to reinstate (again!) if the site becomes open to the general public. (ps - I can access your personal pages (including the latin version of Pliny) just fine. Matt Deres 19:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

That site is public access, and is not "archived material". In a very small number of cases (surely less than 5%, but call it that for convenience), the site owner does restrict access to it, mostly from certain referring pages he feels are obnoxious, such asreferrals from Google Images, servers that are blacklisted by SpamCop, etc. My own Internet access, by the way, is not via the University of Chicago — I'm at home, and not proxying them — and I have no difficulty accessing the site. In effect, you're proposing to block 95% of people from that useful site because you seem to be one of the 5% that isn't getting thru. Suit yourself, though; it's just one of the umpteen reasons Wikipedia is not the resource it could be. Bill 20:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Please lower the melodrama a notch or two, will you? I clicked the link you left on the wikipedia page and got blocked. If Wikipedia is part of your 5% example that's blocked, then the rest is pretty academic, don't you think? Matt Deres 00:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

And that too is part of the problem with Wikipedia. I was courteous — although pointing out that you had made unwarranted assumptions: a) that the site was some "archived" item not open to the public, and b) on how I access the Web — and get slapped in the face with ad hominem remarks. Quality of discourse on Wikipedia, as noted on my profile page, sorely lacking. As to the matter at hand, again, you made an assumption or failed to understand: the referral by Wikipedia is not the problem (I accessed the page from the Wikipedia link, as have others). It is very likely something to do with your server. Obviously if links from Wikipedia were blocked, the link wouldn't be there in the first place, now would it? To dot my I's, you should not assume people are fools. (Wikipedia by the way not the be-all and end-all of websites, and it would hardly be a big deal if it were blocked.) Bill 08:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, we seem to be off on the wrong foot here. Let me start by saying that I did not mean to insult you personally, though I can see how you could interpret my remarks that way. I am sorry. My melodrama comment was in reference to you implying that my attempts to correct a page were part of what's wrong with Wikipedia and claiming that I was acting to the detriment of 95% of the population. I often make mistakes, but I get a little testy when people assume a misunderstanding on my part was somehow malicious. Come on, I cut a link that I saw to be dead and explained my reasons (albeit clumsily); do I sound like someone out to shaft everyone of a perfectly good link? I probably wouldn't have opened this dialogue or re-cut the link if I hadn't seen that your personal page was on the same server as the "blocked" site - honest! I've done it before where I forget that I'm on a non-public space by virtue of the cookies that make things seem seamless.

I don't know why I'm blocked from viewing the link, but you yourself were the one that said it might be based on the site referral. Since that site is Wikipedia, it is a big deal - if Wikipedia readers can't access it, why have the link on Wikipedia? For all I knew, Wikipedia was added to the blocked list after you had added it initially - there'd be no reason to block it until it was there, right? Since site referral doesn't seem to be the culprit anyway, the point is moot, I would just like to make it clear that I only based my statement on what you had suggested.

You say that you can see the site just fine from home; that's good enough for me to accept that the link is valid and I won't cut it again. I'm willing to accept your word on the subject; will you accept mine that I was only trying to correct what I saw as a mistake? Matt Deres 10:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC) (ps - You seem to take umbrage at my use of the word 'archive'; I'm not sure why you find it offensive, but I am only using it the sense that 'x' is archived there, just as a book is archived in a library.) Peace?

I'm not blocked from viewing the link. --Wetman 00:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Peace, yes, thanks. Believe it or not, I just read you today Matt: that was enough to keep me off Wikipedia for 2 weeks; my nerves are very poor. (As to the matter at hand, I'm still puzzled why you, and presumably some others not fitting the cases I suggested, are blocked from the site. I'll poke around with my server and see if I can solve it. Bill 14:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Help with Caratacus

Bill - help me! User:WikiRat1 is back and vandalising Caratacus with his British Israelite nonsense again, and I'm fed up being the only one standing up to him. I've posted scans of the relevant passages of Dio both from Carey and Boissevain and linked to the Foster translation at Project Gutenberg, but he keeps blithely insisting that Dio says Caratacus was a Christian. --Nicknack009 17:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

External links & linkspam

Dear Bill,

Thanks for the message on my talk page. Firstly, let me say that it is a pleasure to have a conversation with someone who makes clear points, in a collaborative and open manner, and who avoids any kind of "I'm right, you're wrong, any one who disagrees with me is an idiot" dialogue.

So, to the matter in hand. I assure you that I have visited every site before deleting it, which has been a laborious and time-consuming process. Yes, I know, I really should get a life. I cannot exclude the possibility that in this I have accidentally deleted an occasional site that probably is correctly included, and one that you mention certainly sounds like it might be among them. However, I am sure (and have just revisted the Umbria page to confirm) that this is not the case generally. Most of the links that you have put back do indeed fall into the category of commercial and/or vanity publishing. I would encourage you to visit them and see for yourself.

I will not revert the changes pending further conversations which, given your earlier contribution to the debate, I am sure will lead to a consensus.

Right, that's enough amiability and reasonableness; I'm right, you're wrong, yah boo.

--Bcnviajero 12:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Donna Marina Torlonia

FYI The article heading is incorrect. If I am not mistaken (I do not have a copy of Almanach de Gotha at hand), by the rules of Italian nobility, Marina Torlonia was not a titular princess, though her father was a prince. She was, instead, "Donna," not Princess, though the latter title is often how she was referred to in newspapers, et cetera, during her lifetime, usually incorrectly. Mowens35 13:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't care less, and don't know anything about royalty. My intervention, as you will see from the article history, was limited to getting the name right. "Cessi" means "public bathroom" and was wrong; "Cesi" is a place I've been to. Bill 13:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Natives of Baden-Württemberg

Hi Bill,

you created this page. As there is a cat about natives of Baden-Württemberg, I wondered if there is a special reason for this one?--Tresckow 03:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Jona Lendering

Your article Jona Lendering has appeared in the Dead End Pages list because it is not wikified. Please consult the Wikipedia Guide to Layout for more information on how to write a good, wikified article. I would encourage you to revisit your submissions and {{wikify}} them. Thanks and happy editing! James084 15:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Unsigned invitation

Hello, from your edits it looks like you're interested in Ancient Greece and/ or Ancient Rome. Would you like to join WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome?

No. Bill 19:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hiking in Umbria

Bill (let's give up with formalism): first, thanks for the englishing. I hope we can shred the disputed section as soon as possible. I'm glad that you are coming to Umbria in autumn. Maybe we can arrange for a meeting somewhere. Soon by mail. --Cantalamessa 14:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome again!!

Ciao Bill. Happy you're back here. --Attilios 15:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Turkish Van

I read your note on the "Turkish Van" talk page. Thanks. I also have been reading your user-page essay about wikipedia - there is a lot of truth in there. But your comment about the quality of citizendium is a bit ironic given that it also has the same Turkish Van article, complete with the same Roman shield, pennant, battle in Armenia nonsense! Meowy 00:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Once bit, twice shy. After telling others they might get involved in Citizendium, I'm hardly going to do it myself! I did see that they started by grabbing all of Wikipedia, then they backtracked and threw it all out, now you tell me some fool has gone and imported at least that Turkish Van item.... I'll just plug along with my own stuff — Best, Bill 10:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

CfD

Hello. A category that you created back in 2004, Category:Astrological factors, is currently up for discussion/deletion. Maybe you'd like to comment on this? --172.166.34.87 02:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

‘Poppycock’

Regarding your edit here, I don’t think I had heard the word since my dad died. I’ll make a mid-year resolution to use it, in public, at least once a week. Seriously (or equally seriously, now I pause for thought) it prompted me to drop you a note of appreciation for the great work you have put in—here and elsewhere—to making the web worthwhile. Thank you, Ian Spackman 21:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Bad links in Elagabalus

I was the one who emailed you about that, actually :) I was planning to fix this today. Thanks for your reply! You're right I should have looked at the sourcecode, which you mention in your introduction to Dio's Roman History, so sorry for bothering you about it. I browsed through all your FAQs before sending my email but forgot to check the most important page :) Cheers. --Steerpike 11:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Need help with Vitruvius page

Do you have the connections to have some pages related to Vitruvius completed. I noticed that many of the people and places mentioned in his books either have no page or a page with little information. Possibly you know people who are knowledgeable about ancient Rome or Greece and given a name or place could provide relevant information. Vitruvius work reads like an outline with many places and people named but little additional information provided. He appears to expect the reader to either know the corresponding information or find it out for themselves. If his outline was incorporated into Wikipedia and the information added by those knowledgeable, the result would be good.

In response to your writings concerning editing of Wikipedia by non-registered editors resulting in sludge, I disagree. It may sound like anarchy but form a philosophical standpoint it seems that the less control and regulation exerted the better the final result. Vandalized pages are easily reverted to a previous state by the next visitor and having the possibility of incorrect information on a page gives the reader reason to verify using other sources. Wikipedia open access makes it great, otherwise it would be just another established journal compromised to death. Otherwise I enjoyed reading your thoughts on Wikipedia and found it knowledgeable and informative. Granite07 02:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

{{helpme}}

The reason we don't include his outline is because Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. While his outlines may be a valuable bit of work, it wouldn't be very encyclopedic to include them in the article. Some other projects, however, would probably love to have them, such as Wikibooks or Wikisource. Thanks for your suggestion, though! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Charles McKnight

Hello – thanks for the message. I reverted you because I'm the person who expanded this article from a stub. I have a Questia annual membership at my own expense (if it's any of your business) and I find it valuable because it's easy to search, read, and do work on different projects. I did several hours of research on Questia and elsewhere before I expanded it, and I added every reference in the article using Questia and other research tools.

The source in question, The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745–1799, edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, is used at Wikipedia in George Washington and Jonathan Plowman Jr., and it should be used _more_ often, not less. The papers take up 39 volumes at the Library of Congress. They were edited by Fitzpatrick as part of the Washington Bicentennial, when the Library of Congress cooperated with Fitzpatrick to organize and publish them under the authority of Congress. It is a United States Government Printing Office document, it is available on microfilm at the Library of Congress, several hardcover volumes are available at Amazon.com, and it is available online here. I used the Questia version because that was the place I was working at the time. I was honest about the format I accessed, and there's nothing wrong with using an online database of works in the public domain.

I've added the reference back in its original form; I don't have the time or the inclination to find it at the UVA site, especially when my original work was sufficient. If you want to find it at the UVA site and change the URL accordingly, be my guest, but unless you can demonstrate that this source is not a reliable one, it should remain in the article. I don't think I'm the one who "went too fast" here. Thanks again for the message. - KrakatoaKatie 23:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Giuseppe Colucci

A tag has been placed on Giuseppe Colucci (antiquarian) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Kannie | talk 02:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thus a regional historian whose works are still being referred to today on the location of Roman remains thruout central Italy (else I'd not inserted the article) will disappear; and a soccer player, to be forgotten before the end of his lifetime, will be called notable, and stay. Wikipedia's bias toward what appeals to teenagers and pre-teenagers in 2007 never quite so evident. Remember, all those Pokemon cards are notable too. No wonder Wikipedia is a laughingstock.... Bill (talk) 11:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Troilus

Hi. Thanks for finding links to Dio Chrysostom. I'm aiming to get The Troilus article to FA. Have you got any views on thigns that need to be addressed first? --Peter cohen (talk) 11:39, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Bill.--Peter cohen (talk) 13:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of R. A. L. Fell

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Vitruvius

why are *Mamurra & *Julius Caesar relevant summary: Mamurra, a colleague, who had a close relation with Julius Caesar, Vitruvius felt Mamurra was received favoritism and more recognition because of political reasons. (Julius Caesar link is redundant)

This is a recurring theme throughout the 10 books. It was important enough to mention half a dozen times in the books. Does need explanation rather than just links, I hoped someone else with more knowledge or better literary skills would notice connection and write it. Mamurra is not named by name in the 10 books, circumstantial this is who Vitruvius is referring to, so I can not write this. Granite07 (talk) 20:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey man

Hey man, these conversation looks like to me as vandalism. I've nothing againist these place, but i think you've created it only for : "campanilismo". Ok ? Why don't you create another category:Bevagna on it.wikipedia ? Because they will delete it in few minutes. So, shut up boy and leave me alone ! You don't interest me ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.194.103 (talk) 14:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

So, Trevi was deleted cause it had only Trevi page. You only now remnd to add some pagese ? Go doing your offences in another place. Understood ? Another time i'll smash your face —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.194.103 (talk) 15:01, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

My apparent vandalism ??? Shut up man ! Two little towns with their own categories. Do it on it.wikipedia and let's see what it will happend. Don't permit to talk to me in that way anymore, ok ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.194.103 (talk) 15:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalisms and self-promotion

Please do not add advertising or inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.

It is spam to link its own website

Harassment from anonymous users

The IP that made the threat has been blocked, and I followed up with blocking the other IP (obviously the same individual with a tenuous grasp of English). On the other hand, you should probably go easy on making links to your own site. While the site isn't commercial, the number of links added does raise some WP:COI questions. I'm not going to remove the links, but just giving you a heads up that the topic was brought up at the Project Spam talk page. That said, you've contributed a lot of great content. Hopefully you'll stick around and continue to do so. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 19:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry if it appeared that I was accusing you of adding all of those links yourself. I'd only looked at your recent history (in which you'd added one link), but it's certainly plausible that various others would've added those links. I'm typically on the aggressive side of removing links I think might be spam or COI violations, but I personally didn't have an issue with yours. I'd hate to be part of the reason for you leaving the project. Cheers, OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Relax everybody

Hey man, relax yourself ! I've not intention to smash anything, ok ? Where do you live, in Mars ? Simply, You were so kind answering to me and i became also kind answering to you: love with love is payed, you've started, what hell you want ? If you feel so offended you could not offend me, you could talk to me before start the harrassing with lies and lies and calling me vandal, newbie or other false and stupid things. As you can see by now i've absolutely nothing wiht that towns, that i don't know. I was too evil answering ? Ok, i was. But you can't start a discussion saying that somebody you don't know are uninnocent vandal, newbie or other else. Uninnocent vandal ?!?!? Are you drunk ? What hell of international conspiracy have you seen behind that categories ? So, don't do the victim or the tragedy, you've started offending (inventing) and'i ve simply answered to you. When somebody attacks me i answer by myself, i don't wait for others. If you don't like it, i repeat, don't see false things to other people but try to talk as a civil person.

Tenuous grasp

For Oh no it's jamie reguarding the "tenuous grasp of english": Jamie, you're anglophone, i'm sure. Anglophones may absolutely shut up about "tenuous grasps". The day i'll know a british, australian or american man able to write a readable phrase in another human language (not english, of course) it will be the end of the world. The phrase might not be a stupid and racist nonsenses as "bonjour camembert vive la france", "eins zwei polizei heil führer", "ciao pizza spaghetti mafioso", "hasta la vista torero" or "kalimera kalispera". The phrase might be a sensed discussion long as this one, this tenuous grasp. Are you able doin'it ? I don't thing so. You're only lucky because your language is become the "world standard" ... why ? Thanx to genocides of british colonial empire in lot of centuries. So, think to your boring ignorance of any language and "ne me casser pas les pied"... Whooops: the baby don't understand french ? It means "don't break my balls". --87.11.20.13 (talk) 00:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

link discussion

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Italiorum/Italicorum

I realize it was nearly 2 years ago, but I wonder if you can look at this diff. The page scan of the 1911 encyclopedia, which this article mostly duplicates, clearly has Italiorum (scan is here). However, my ear and my rudimentary Latin would agree with you that Italicorum is more likely to be correct. That said, I did change it to the EB1911 original version. Clearly I don't have access to the original by Toscanus (or Tuscanus, the EB1911 spelling) and can't find any authorities online. What did you base the change on?

BTW, I'm only interested because I picked this article almost at random as an example of the unreliability of Wikisource, a topic that has become current in Wikipedia talk:Plagiarism. s:1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Aleandro, Girolamo has, by my count, 38 transcription errors, due obviously to its having been lifted from the jrank version and never fixed. David Brooks (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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help for trasalte in English a page about a big men from Narni

Dear Bill I am Giuseppe Fortunati , I write you for some help to create an english version of this page https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Netti

I am not able to do it Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fgiusepp (talk • contribs) 18:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Terziere

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Fails WP:GNG, no sources indicating notability.

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Nomination of Contrada for deletion

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Tooncool64 (talk) 00:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sestiere

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Fails WP:GNG, no sources indicating notability.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Tooncool64 (talk) 07:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Sestiere for deletion

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Tooncool64 (talk) 00:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Terziere for deletion

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Tooncool64 (talk) 00:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)