Wikipedia:Categories for discussion

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Categories for discussion (CfD) is where the renaming, merging or deletion of categories – i.e. pages in the Category namespace – is discussed and action decided. Stub types templates are also discussed here.

Categories are used to organize pages and aid the browsing of related articles. For instructions as to how to use this page, perform cleanup maintenance or request speedy deletions or renamings, see "How to use this page" below. The policies meant to guide category renaming may be found at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories).

Unless a change to a category is non-controversial – e.g. prompted by vandalism or duplication – please do not amend or remove the category from pages before a decision has been made.

Categories that have been listed for more than seven days are eligible for deletion, renaming or merging when a rough consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to the nomination have been raised.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, it is usually helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Current discussions[edit]

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Discussions awaiting closure[edit]


How to use CfD[edit]

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Procedure[edit]

To list a category manually for deletion, merging or renaming, follow this process:

I
Preliminary steps.

Determine whether the category needs deleting, merging, or renaming.

  1. If it is a red link and has no subcategories, then it is already deleted (more likely, it was never really created in the first place), and does not need to be listed here.
  2. Read and understand Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) and Wikipedia:Overcategorization before using these discussion pages.
  3. Nominate categories here which violate policies or guidelines, are misspelled, mis-capitalized, redundant to other categories (not redundant to stand-alone lists), small without potential for growth, or generally bad ideas.
  4. Please read the Wikipedia:Categorization of people policy when nominating or commenting on people-related categories.
  5. Please read Wikipedia:User categories and Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User categories when nominating or commenting on Wikipedian categories.
  6. In the following special cases:
    • If the category is empty for more than four days, use {{db-catempty}} for a speedy deletion.
    • If the category is only populated by a template and both the category and template are being proposed for deletion, follow the instructions at templates for discussion.
II
Edit the category.

Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the category text of every category to be discussed. (The tags belong on the categories' main pages rather than their talk/discussion pages.)

If the category is a candidate for speedy renaming, use:
and follow the instructions at Speedy renaming.
If a single category:
  • For deletion, {{subst:cfd}}
  • For a merger, {{subst:cfm|Other category}}
  • For renaming, {{subst:cfr|Proposed name}}
  • For splitting, {{subst:cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2}}
  • For converting the category contents into a list, {{subst:cfl|Proposed name}}
  • For converting the category page text into an article, {{subst:cfc|Proposed name}}
If a group of similar categories or a category and its subcategories, use an umbrella nomination (each category must be tagged, for nominations involving large numbers of categories tagging help can be requested at the talk page):
  • For deletion, {{subst:cfd|Cfd section name}}
  • For a merger, {{subst:cfm|Other category|Cfd section name}}
  • For renaming, {{subst:cfr|Proposed name|Cfd section name}}
  • For splitting, {{subst:cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|Cfd section name}}
  • For converting the category contents into a list, {{subst:cfl|Proposed name|Cfd section name}}
  • For converting the category page text into an article, {{subst:cfc|Proposed name|Cfd section name}}
  • Please include "CFD", "CFM", "CFR", "CFS", "CFL" or "CFC" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor.
  • Preview before saving. The display will give more precise instructions about the next step.
  • See the documentation pages at {{cfd}}, {{cfm}}, {{cfr}}, {{cfs}}, {{cfl}} and {{cfc}} for more specific information.
  • Consider adding {{subst:cfdnotice2|Category name|date=yyyy Month dd|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the main article's talk page or to categories that are merge targets to notify users that the category has been nominated for deletion or renaming. Doing so would not only extend an additional courtesy, but possibly also bring in editors who know more about the subject at hand. See the doc page at Template:Cfdnotice2/doc for more information on how to use this template as well as other similar templates that can be used to notify the category's creator or related WikiProjects specifically.
III
Create the CFD subsection.

Click on THIS LINK to edit the section of CFD for today's entries.

Follow the instructions in the comments (visible during edit), to copy and paste the template shown. All categories are specified without the Category: prefix.

For {{Cfd}}, use:
{{subst:cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfm}}, use:
{{subst:cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfr}} to a definite name, use:
{{subst:cfr2|Old category|New category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfr}} to an indefinite name, use:
{{subst:cfr2|Old category|to be determined by consensus|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfs}} to definite names, use:
{{subst:cfs2|Old category|New category 1|New category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfl}} or {{Cfc}}, use:
{{subst:cfc2|Origin category|Destination article|text= Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}}
For umbrella nominations, the standard templates should build the "Cfd section name" for the 1st nomination, although the 2nd and subsequent nominations must be added manually, like this:
==== Cfd section name ====
  • 1st category
  • 2nd category
  • Your reason for nominating the category. ~~~~ (Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming.)
  • If an umbrella nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide the bulk of nominated categories.
  • When using these templates, the old and new categories you specify are automatically converted to links: you do not specify them as links yourself.
  • In your reason, please link appropriate articles or categories to help other editors.
  • In your reason, when linking to a category, always add a colon (':') in the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating.
  • Preview before saving to ensure all the fields have been properly listed.

Once you have previewed your entry, please make sure to add your signature after your proposal. If nominating a list of entries as a batch mentioned after your rationale, it is somewhat neater to place these after the signature (rather than leave the signature dangling at the end of the list, apparently unrelated to your reasons).

Once you have submitted a category here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is supported, helpful administrators and editors will log the result and ensure that the change is implemented to all affected pages.

Also, consider adding to your watchlist any categories you nominate. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle[edit]

The use of Wikipedia:Twinkle greatly facilitates CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to "my preferences", the "Gadgets" tab, the "Browsing" section and check "Twinkle ...". Use the now-installed "XfD" (Nominate for deletion) tab while viewing the page to be deleted or renamed.

Users without accounts and users with new accounts[edit]

Users without accounts (unregistered users) may nominate and comment on proceedings, just as in Articles for Deletion (AfD).

Redirecting categories[edit]

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It is our general policy to delete categories that do not have articles in them. (Rationale: Unlike articles, categories are mostly for internal use only. If they don't have any articles, they shouldn't have any links from any articles or any other categories, because they are not useful for navigation and sorting.)

However, some categories frequently have articles assigned to them accidentally, or are otherwise re-created over and over. But categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects: #REDIRECT[[target]]. (See Wikipedia:Redirect#category for the technical details.)

Instead, we use a form of "soft redirects" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets. Notice that it's not a redirect at all as a wiki page; it's bots that virtually make them redirects.

In particular, we set up category redirects at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up redirects from forms with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

You can see a list of redirected categories in Category:Wikipedia category redirects.

Closing[edit]

When closing CfDs, document their results (e.g. with links to CfD page history) on the talk pages of the affected categories, if not deleted. If deleted, document the deletion decision in the deletion edit summary.

Special notes[edit]

When nominating a category, it's helpful to add a notice on the talk page of the most-closely related article. Doing so would not only extend an additional courtesy, but possibly also bring in editors who know more about the subject at hand. You can use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Categories that should exist but are missing articles or subcategories should be added to Category:Underpopulated categories using {{Popcat}}.

If a category is only used as generated by a template (e.g. Category:Foo Stubs to correspond with Template:Foo-stub), and that template is deleted by a regular WP:TFD process, then the category can be deleted as well as long as it was nominated along with the template, or mentioned early in the discussion.

Speedy renaming and merging

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Categories may be listed for speedy renaming or speedy merging if they meet one or more of the criteria specified below. They must be tagged with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} so that users of the categories are aware of the proposal. A request may be processed 48 hours after it was listed if there are no objections. This delay allows other editors to review the request to ensure that it meets the criteria for speedy deletion, renaming, or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation", categories that have been empty for four days) can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}, and no delay is required to process these. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.

Contested requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed, after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to continue the process, s/he needs to submit the request as a regular CfD in accordance with the instructions here.

Speedy criteria[edit]

The category-specific criteria for speedy deletion, renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C1. Unpopulated categories[edit]

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That have been unpopulated for at least four days. This does not apply to disambiguation categories, category redirects, featured topics categories, categories under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (or other such discussions), or project categories that by their nature may become empty on occasion (e.g. Category:Wikipedians looking for help). Place {{Empty category}} at the top of the page to prevent such categories from being deleted.
Tag category with {{Db-c1}}.

C2. Renaming or merging[edit]

Shortcuts:
C2A. Typographic and spelling fixes.
  • Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours →Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
  • Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
C2B. Enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices.
C2C. Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names.
  • This should only be used where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
  • This criterion should only be applied when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
  • This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D. Facilitating concordance between a particular category's name and a related article's name.
  • Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous article (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
  • This applies only if the related article's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either due to longstanding stability at that particular name or immediately following a page move discussion which had explicit consensus to rename. If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply.
  • This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages which resulted in a no consensus result.
C2E. Author request.
  • This criterion only applies if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within 28 days of creating the category.
  • The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
For C2A to C2E, tag category with {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}} and list on WP:CFDS. Administrators may implement C2E cases without delay.

For any categories that are not speedy candidates, use Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.

  • A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
    • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here,
    • And no objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
  • If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming here[edit]

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:{old name here}]] to [[:Category:{new name here}]] – {reason for rename here} ~~~~

This will sign and datestamp an entry automatically.

Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 21:00, 3 March 2015 (UTC). Currently, there are 41 open requests (refresh).


Current nominations[edit]

Opposed nominations[edit]

  • Category:Ornaments to Category:Ornament – Match main article Ornament (art), & more appropriate Johnbod (talk) 17:06, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
    Object to speedy categories are pluralized, so matching the main article in the plural form. Further, the main article "ornament (art)" but the proposed name is not "ornament (art)" (nor "ornaments (art)") so fails to match the main article in all cases. There is a category for Category:Ornamentation which is about music? and doesn't match its main article either Ornament (music) so this is a mess; This needs a discussion -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 08:06, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
    Categories are not always pluralized; however, I agree that the conversion of a set category to a topic category should not be done speedily. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I get it but please take into consideration that other ethnic groups have already been treated in the manner I suggest -- forgive the bolding -- for instance see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_Americans and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Italian_Americans
It would be wrong to treat different ethnic groups based on different standards and could potentially open an enormous can of worms! Quis separabit? 23:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
For reasons stated, I think a good argument could be made to eliminate the Category:Ethnic Armenian people by country of citizenship tree and collapse it into the Category:American people of Armenian descent tree. But this is something that would need to be subject to a full CFD, not the speedy process. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Rms125a@hotmail.com, I just worked on "of Italian descent" categories all morning long! I think you are considering the few exceptions rather than the rule. Do not just consider three categories, you need to look at the entire category tree that exists. You can't look at one category decision in isolation from the hundreds of similar categories. I agree with Good Ol’factory, that if you are insistent on eliminating this category, it needs to go for a CfD and you can expect me to argue against it. Liz Read! Talk! 00:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Category:2013–15 Ukrainian crisis to Category:Ukrainian crisis – per C2D, as the main article has just been renamed following a requested move. Number 57 17:41, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
    Comment there have been many crises in Ukraine and concerning Ukrainians in history, this seems a particularly poor name for a category that would naturally collect articles on crises in Ukraine (such as the Orange Revolution, the drive of Army Group South into the Ukraine, various peasant rebellions, etc, ad infinitum) -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 07:05, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
    There have been many crises in Ukraine, but there is only one crisis called "Ukrainian crisis", and that's this one. The move at the main article is complete, and this must follow suit. RGloucester 18:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
    It does not "must" follow suit, it only usually does so. Considering the genericity of the title, the category collecting unrelated materials seems to be a given. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 04:57, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
    I doubt that there's any great risk. The confusion that will result from having the category named differently than the article is probably more of a problem than the risk that someone will categorize a bunch of "Ukrainian crises" in the category. After all, if it was about all such crises, the category would be pluralized. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. As it is, this is a workably named category that we can happily categorise under both lakes and villages. It's arguably more correct in full, but it's still very common to refer to the lake as Coniston alone. If it were to be renamed as Coniston Water then we'd have to split that. What benefit would that convey? Andy Dingley (talk) 18:28, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Also oppose. I don't see why the main article is said to be Coniston Water, when the more general Coniston, Cumbria would be a better fit. I would support a rename to Category:Coniston, Cumbria. Oculi (talk) 15:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Why add the disambiguation? Are we overwhelmed with Conistons? Is there any question of this being the primary Coniston? I oppose Coniston, Cumbria in particular because Cumbria is still a relatively recent invention as a county. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
  • None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
Oppose Georgia the US state does not compete at the World Championships in Athletics so there are no grounds for confusion. Compare for example Georgia at the Olympics. SFB 21:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Support per consistency with Georgia country and US state articles, which use parenthetical disambiguators by default. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 00:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
My gosh, we've been through this issue so many times in full CFDs. We always end up adding the parenthetical—it's seriously getting to "waste of time" stage to continue to send these there. @Sillyfolkboy: you point of Georgia at the Olympics, but note that the corresponding category is Category:Georgia (country) at the Olympics. The categories are always disambiguated to match the parent Category:Georgia (country). Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:14, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
@Good Olfactory: Perhaps a little tiresome, but I don't see any other way of challenging the idea that we should disambiguate things that are unambiguous. Note that I'm happy for the other nominated Georgia categories to proceed due to their inherent ambiguity. This should only take quick comments from a couple of others if I'm in the minority in this case. SFB 00:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
@Sillyfolkboy: I understand why users would oppose it. It just seems to me that there should come a point where the issue is considered more or less settled, and that even those who disagree with the consensus should allow the previous consensus to be used to make speedy changes consistent with that consensus. (We've quite literally had several dozen discussions on this exact same topic.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:22, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
@Good Olfactory: I think it's fine as long as it isn't repeatedly the same sole person objecting to the same point, or if the point is clearly an inadequate one. While I can see you frustration, I think any alternative is to make consensus ossified, which isn't desirable at all. I don't think it too burdensome to wait a week for a couple of people to support you – or perhaps it gets more drawn out, which would suggest that a full discussion was warranted. SFB 19:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
You're right—these Georgia ones sometimes do get opposed, but it's not typically the same user. That would be more of a problem if it was one user opposing on the same issue repeatedly. I don't regard it as a personal burden on me to take it to a full CFD, but in the grand scheme of things it starts to be a bit tedious and bureaucratic and calls into question why we have speedy criteria at all if there are worries about ossification of consensus. In any case, I'll move this to a full CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
I have moved it to the full discussion here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Ready for deletion[edit]

Check Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for out of process deletions. In some cases, these will need to be nominated for discussion and the editor who emptied the category informed that they should follow the WP:CFD process.

Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.

Categories possibly emptied out of process[edit]

Note. Categories listed here will be automatically moved to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion after 96 hours.
Note. Due to limits of the software, all contents of the category may not be displayed. View the category directly to see all contents.