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Categories for discussion (Cfd) is where deletion, merging, and renaming of categories (pages in the Category namespace) is discussed. Categories are used to organize other pages and aid browsing of related articles. See How to use this page for the official rules of this page, guidelines for Speedy Deletion and Speedy Renaming, and how to do cleanup. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) for the policies guiding many renaming decisions.

Unless the change is non-controversial (such as vandalism or a duplicate), please do not remove the category from pages before the community has made a decision.

Categories that have been listed for more than seven days are eligible for deletion, renaming or merging when a rough consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to the nomination have been raised.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, it may be helpful to use the {{Category redirect}} template at the old category title.

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[edit] Current discussions

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[edit] Discussions awaiting closure


[edit] How to use Cfd

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[edit] Procedure

To list a category for deletion, merging or renaming, follow this process:

I
Preliminary steps.

Determine whether the category needs deleting, merging, or renaming.

  1. If it is a red link and has no subcategories, then it is already deleted (more likely, it was never really created in the first place), and does not need to be listed here.
  2. Read and understand Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) and Wikipedia:Overcategorization before using these discussion pages.
  3. Nominate categories here which violate policies or guidelines, are misspelled, mis-capitalized, redundant to other categories (not redundant to stand-alone lists), small without potential for growth, or generally bad ideas.
  4. Please read the Wikipedia:Categorization of people policy when nominating or commenting on people-related categories.
  5. Please read Wikipedia:User categories and Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User categories when nominating or commenting on Wikipedian categories.
  6. In the following special cases:
II
Edit the category.

Add one of the following tags at the top of the category text of every category to be discussed. (The tags belong on the categories' main pages rather than their talk/discussion pages.)

If the category is a candidate for speedy renaming, use:
and follow the instructions at Speedy renaming.
If a single category:
  • For deletion, {{subst:Cfd}}
  • For a merger, {{subst:Cfm|OtherCategory}}
  • For renaming, {{subst:Cfr|ProposedName}}
  • For splitting, {{subst:Cfs|ProposedName1|ProposedName2}}
  • For converting the category text into an article, {{subst:Cfc|ProposedName}}
If a group of similar categories or a category and its subcategories, use an umbrella nomination (each category must be tagged, for nominations involving large numbers of categories tagging help can be requested at the talk page):
  • For deletion, {{subst:Cfd|CfdSectionName}}
  • For a merger, {{subst:Cfm|OtherCategory|CfdSectionName}}
  • For renaming, {{subst:Cfr|ProposedName|CfdSectionName}}
  • For splitting, {{subst:Cfs|ProposedName1|ProposedName2|CfdSectionName}}
  • For converting the category text into an article, {{subst:Cfc|ProposedName|CfdSectionName}}
  • Please include "CFD", "CFM", "CFR", "CFS", or "CFC" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor.
  • Preview before saving. The display will give more precise instructions about the next step.
  • See the documentation pages at {{cfd}}, {{cfm}}, {{cfr}}, {{cfs}}, and {{cfc}} for more specific information.
  • Consider adding {{subst:Cfdnotice|Cfd section name|date=yyyy Month d}} to the main article's talk page or to categories that are merge targets to notify users that the category has been nominated for deletion or renaming. Doing so would not only extend an additional courtesy, but possibly also bring in editors who know more about the subject at hand. See the doc page at Cfdnotice for more information on how to use this template as well as other similar templates that can be used to notify the category's creator or related WikiProjects specifically.
III
Create the CFD subsection.

Click on THIS LINK to edit the section of CFD for today's entries.

Follow the instructions in the comments (visible during edit), to copy and paste the template shown. All categories are specified without the Category: prefix.

For {{Cfd}}, use:
{{subst:Cfd2|ObsoleteCategory|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfm}}, use:
{{subst:Cfm2|FromCategory|ToCategory|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfr}}, to a definite name use:
{{subst:Cfr2|OldCategory|NewCategory|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfr}}, to an indefinite name use:
{{subst:Cfr2|OldCategory|to be determined by consensus|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfs}}, to definite names use:
{{subst:Cfs2|OldCategory|NewCategory1|NewCategory2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfc}}, use:
{{subst:Cfc2|FromCategory|ToArticle|text= Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}
For umbrella nominations, the standard templates should build the "Cfd section name" for the 1st nomination, although the 2nd and subsequent nominations must be added manually, like this:
==== Cfd section name ====
  • 1st category
  • 2nd category
  • Your reason for nominating the category ~~~~ (Make clear if you propose deletion, merging or renaming).
  • If an umbrella nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide the bulk of nominated categories.
  • When using these templates, the old and new categories you specify are automatically converted to links: you do not specify them as links yourself.
  • In your reason, please link appropriate articles or categories to help other editors.
  • In your reason, when linking to a category, always add a colon (':') in the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page (and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating).
  • Preview before saving to ensure all the fields have been properly listed.

Once you have previewed your entry, please make sure to add your signature after your proposal. If nominating a list of entries as a batch below your rationale, it is somewhat neater to place these after the signature (rather than leave the signature dangling at the end of the list, apparently unrelated to your reasons).

Once you have submitted a category here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is supported, helpful administrators and editors will log the result and ensure that the change is implemented to all affected pages.

Also, consider adding to your watchlist any categories you nominate. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

[edit] Users without accounts and users with new accounts

Users without accounts (unregistered users) may nominate and comment on proceedings, just as in Articles for Deletion (AfD).

[edit] Redirecting categories

It is our general policy to delete categories that do not have articles in them. Unlike articles, categories are mostly for internal use only. If they don't have any articles, they shouldn't have any links from any articles or any other categories, because they are not useful for navigation and sorting.

However, some categories frequently have articles assigned to them accidentally, or are otherwise re-created over and over again. In these cases, we use a form of "soft" redirection.

Categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (#REDIRECT [[target]]) due to limitations in the MediaWiki software. Instead, use {{Category redirect|target}}. Helpful bots patrol these categories and move articles into the redirect targets.

You can see a list of redirected categories in Category:Wikipedia category redirects.

[edit] Special notes

Categories relating to stub articles should not be nominated here, but should be taken to Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. If a group nomination of several similarly-named categories includes one or more stub categories, it is usual for non-stub categories to be nominated here first, with stub categories nominated separately at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion only once a decision has been reached on the non-stub types. As stub category names usually - though not always - follow permanent category naming, resulting changes to stub categories would frequently be considered as speediable.

When nominating a category, it's helpful to add a notice on the talk page of the most-closely related article. Doing so would not only extend an additional courtesy, but possibly also bring in editors who know more about the subject at hand. You can use {{Cfd-article}} for this.

Categories that should exist but are missing articles or subcategories should be added to Category:Underpopulated categories using {{Popcat}}.

If a category is only used as generated by a template (e.g. Category:Foo Stubs to correspond with Template:Foo-stub), and that template is deleted by regular WP:TFD or WP:SFD process, then the category can be deleted as well as long as it was nominated along with the template, or mentioned early in the discussion.

[edit] Speedy renaming and speedy merging

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Categories may be listed here if they fall under the criteria specified below. Deletion and de-listing may occur after 48 hours if there are no objections. They must be tagged with {{subst:cfr-speedy|new name}} so that users of the categories are aware of the proposal. This delay is to allow for objections over correct spelling, etc. to be made and to ensure that items are not processed that do not meet the criteria.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation", categories that have been empty for four days) can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}, and no delay is required for these.

Contested requests can be removed from this list after 48 hours. If the nominator wants to continue the process they need to submit the request as a regular CfD using the instructions above.

[edit] Speedy criteria

Criteria for speedy deletion, renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C1. Unpopulated categories
that have been unpopulated for at least four days. This does not apply to disambiguation categories, category redirects, featured topics categories, categories under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (or other such discussions), or project categories that by their nature may become empty on occasion (e.g. Category:Wikipedians looking for help). Place {{empty category}} at the top of the page to prevent such categories from being deleted.
Tag category with {{db-c1}}.
C2. Renaming or merging.
A. Typographic and spelling fixes.
  • Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2.C below. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
  • Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en-dashes or vice versa. (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
B. A rename enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices.
C. A rename bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names.
  • This should only be used where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
  • This criterion should only be applied when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
  • This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
D. A rename instating concordance of category and article naming.
  • Renaming a category to match its eponymous article (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles – the category could be renamed under this criterion if the article is moved).
  • This applies immediately following a page move with explicit consensus to also rename the category, or two days after any other page move. If there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, then this criterion does not apply.
Tag category with {{subst:Cfr-speedy|newname}} and list on WP:CFDS.

For any categories that are not speedy candidates, use Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.

A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
  • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed above, and;
  • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

[edit] Add requests for speedy renaming here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria in C2 listed above, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format:

* [[:Category:OLD name]] to [[:Category:NEW name]] – Reason for rename. ~~~~

Don't forget to tag the category with {{subst:Cfr-speedy|newname}}

Please add new entries at the top of the list and sign and date stamp your entries with ~~~~.

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, the time stamp shown is 08:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC) or earlier.

[edit] Opposed nominations

I'll move it to the "Opposed nominations" section then, but I think this is really an argument for moving the "Award-winning books" one to speedy. It's standard English on both sides of the Pond to hyphenate compound adjectives, so this is a simple typographical error issue. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 02:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
No objection to that from me.--Mike Selinker (talk) 04:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Category:Sports in the Las Vegas Valley to Category:Sports in Las Vegas – C2D. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:21, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Oppose - "Las Vegas Valley" seems to be the standard for referring to the region (see recent change of "People from..." as an example). - The Bushranger One ping only 02:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
      • However the main article is Sports in Las Vegas which is the common name and term used for the area as it applies to sports and other events. Las Vegas is clearly the common moniker and not Las Vegas Valley. The recent change of categories from metro area to valley was a bad move since it changed the scope of those categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
      • I'll also add that the current name was just created by a speedy move from Category:Las Vegas metropolitan area which significantly changed the scope of the category from 8,091 sqmi to 600 sqmi. So if you want to object to this, we could rename it back. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:06, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
        • Hmmm. Is this something that a full CfD is needed to decide what to call Las Vegas insertareanamehere? Or was the one to "Las Vegas Valley" a random thing? - The Bushranger One ping only 21:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
          • I think that the change to Las Vegas Valley was the problem. The metro area is not the same as the valley, though some may think so. If you want to go with the formal name it is Las Vegas-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area or you can triple the area by using the Las Vegas – Paradise – Pahrump combined statistical area. As I said above, going from metro area to valley is a 90% reduction on the area included. That is not the same thing. So, if you are asking it the first move was wrong, I'd say yes. And while Las Vegas is ambiguous, if you have a category of Las Vegas Sports, most people will know what it is. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Moved to a full discussion
Oppose (and most other computing acronym articles listed today) - per WP:COMMONNAME. Use of the acronym form is universal and there is very little use of the long form anywhere. The only reason for the canonical article using the long name, rather than its redicrect at CORBA, is WP's fondness for creating WP:NEOlogisms from a pointless and arbitrary consistency. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Moved to a full discussion here. Please indicate specifically the others you object to so they also can be moved from the queue to a full discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose (and most other computing acronym articles listed today) - per WP:COMMONNAME. Use of the acronym form is universal and there is very little use of the long form anywhere. A need to disambiguate means that 3-letter acronyms are unlikely to survive as article names and RDF has rightly been expanded rather than disambiguated. However if we don't need to do this for the category name, then we shouldn't disambiguate unless and until we have to - RDF is still the more common and more recognisable form than Resource Description Format. We also have such sub-categories as Category:RDF data access to consider. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Moved to a full discussion here. Please indicate specifically the others you object to so they also can be moved from the queue to a full discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Ready for deletion

Check Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for out of process deletions. In some cases, these will need to be nominated for discussion and the editor who emptied the category informed that they should follow the WP:CFD process.

Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.

[edit] Categories possibly emptied out of process

Note. Categories listed here will be automatically moved to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion after 96 hours.

Empty categories awaiting deletion
► 1905 establishments in Sweden
► Wikipedia sockpuppets of A Nobody
► Airliners 2010–2019
Airliners by first decade of flight
► Blue Collar Records albums
Andrea Camilleri
► Cetaceans in popular culture
► Christie brands
► Eastern Orthodox Christians from Israel
► Egyptian presidential candidates by date
► Emperors' slaves and freedmen
► French airliners 2000–2009
► Hungarian people of Tunisian descent
► Images of Butler County, Kentucky
► Images of Mercer County, Kentucky
► Images of Morgan County, Illinois
► Images of Oldham County, Kentucky
► Type KD3 submarines
► Kelly Charles songs
► Mamluk
► Moto3 World Championship riders
► Albums produced by Alex Murphy
► Mythological creatures
► Neighbourhoods of Eyüp, Istanbul
► Non-profit organizations based in Wyoming
► Observation towers in Lower Saxony
► Open de Tenis Comunidad Valenciana
► Pakistani beverage brands
► People from Laktaši
► People of Kazakh descent
► Pindi Bhattian Tehsil
► Populated places in Colorado with African American majority populations
► Programming block articles needing references
► Protests in Senegal
► Real estate companies based in Maryland
► Religious buildings and structures completed in 1943
► Riots and civil disorder in Senegal
► Rotterdam Indoors
► Serbian people by age
► Turkic
► Video game creatures
► Wikipedia requested block programming images
► Yacht clubs in South America
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