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A word on linking

When linking, please be careful not to link items that were linked recently linked. You've been linking the subject of albums, such as Amy Grant or Michael W. Smith, in articles of their albums. They're linked in the infobox, in the opening paragraphs and often in the tracks section. Linking it in the personnel section is a bit too much. Similarly, if you link an instrument early in the personnel section, don't link it again in the section. That's what WP:REPEATLINK states.

Also, don't pipe the same phrase to itself. If you link to Hammond organ, (Hammond B3 and Hammond B3 organ both redirect to that), don't do it like this: [[Hammond organ|Hammond organ]]. See MOS:PIPE. Linking to a redirect page is acceptable though. See MOS:REDIR for more info on that.

Finally don't simply link to a manufacturer's name, such as Yamaha, when it's a specific instrument. Yamaha DX7 has an article so linking that is OK, but linking like this, [[Yamaha]] GS2, is of no help. See WP:SPECIFICLINK. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

And then you go and do this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=This_Is_Your_Time_(Michael_W._Smith_album)&diff=636416411&oldid=636271420 Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:29, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi there. You did a lot of editing on Chicago 18, with no sources at all. What exactly are your sources for all that intricate information? Also I noticed that you're being very disruptive to a lot of other people here, so I could have you reviewed for a block if that's the only way to remediate that. What do you think about that? Thanks. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 22:06, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

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Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page The Noise We Make has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. You have changed [[sixstepsrecords|sixstep]] to [[sixstepsrecords]] several times claiming you have "fixed grammar". Template:Infobox album#Label clearly advises that editor "drop words like "Records" from the end of the label's name" and so it is correct, according to the template's documentation, to pipe it out. Please stop making this change and attempting to hide it. That's what we call lying. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:57, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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Please stop formatting album personnel sections incorrectly

For instance, I see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jekyll_and_Hyde_(Petra_album)&curid=1773386&diff=907000884&oldid=899028588 does not conform to WP:PERSONNEL. The movement to role then name is incorrect. Changing "background" to "backing" is unnecessary. Spell-out US states since not all readers know the abbreviations. The bullet points are not sentences and do not need periods. Compare with Michael W. Smith Project, Vinyl Confessions, or many feature-class album articles. I'll let you clean up the articles you've worked on before I take a hammer to them. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

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Will do! Joshuadejohnson (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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Got it! Already fixed it.. Joshuadejohnson (talk) 16:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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Not trying to sound aggressive, but I am being assertive. I’m a little confused, perplexed as to why I’d be thanked for making a minor correction on a certain article, but yet be reprimanded and given a warning for adding specific information relevant to other articles. I’m not trying to be intentionally disruptive or disrespectful. If I knew how to provide proof of reference for my updates, I would do so. Anyways, I’m not trying to be aggressive about this, just trying to understand and make sense of this. Joshuadejohnson (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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I’ll correct it right now Joshuadejohnson (talk) 15:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

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Wasn’t trying to create any intentional vandalism, but thanks.. Joshuadejohnson (talk) 20:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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Album style guide

There is nothing at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style guide to mandate that a separate sub-section should exist for production credits, however MOS:BODY suggests that Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. While there are no prose, it's unlikely that readers want to know only the production staff. They likely want to know the personnel. Experienced readers,and those who are interested in production staff, will know to look under the personnel section. I recognize that many of the pop albums you work on have separate subheadings for this type of staff, but please do not proliferate their existence unnecessarily.

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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Self Control (album). Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. snapsnap ^(talk) 23:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I don’t understand, how did I commit vandalism? Joshuadejohnson (talk) 23:18, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

You didn't provide an explanation for your edits. The personnel credits in those articles are ordered according to the liner notes, and you just changed the order for no apparent reason. snapsnap ^(talk) 23:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I see. I guess that makes sense..my apologies. Joshuadejohnson (talk) 23:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

No problems. Just make sure you provide a summary for your edits from now on. It is strongly recommended in order to avoid possible conflicts and such. snapsnap ^(talk) 23:31, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Got it Joshuadejohnson (talk) 23:32, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Yet, you still do not add edit summaries. I have been asking you to do so for years. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:22, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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Stop separating production from personnel per WP:PERSONNEL

Hello. You really need to cease this practice immediately. I don't know why you're changing thousands of articles according to your own preference, but it needs to stop. Your edits directly contradict Wikipedia's own widely followed style advice on how to format personnel, part of MOS:ALBUM, which clearly states all of them (musicians, people who worked on design, and technical or production personnel) should be below the personnel heading. Also, in most cases it appears you are adding spaces to the heading, which can make the heading style on that article inconsistent and that is never desirable. Please also follow WP:OVERLINK, which is briefly covered in WP:PERSONNEL—well-known terms like flute should not be linked, and the type of bass it is (bass guitar, double bass, etc.) should be specified. I hope you realise that in some cases shortening this to just "bass" can be confusing. Regardless, you need to follow MOS:ALBUM promptly and if you do not, an administrator will be informed. This wholescale changing of thousands of articles to an unsupported style cannot go on. Thank you. Ss112 06:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Again, please stop adding spaces to headings where the rest of the article does not use spaced headings. Articles do not have to have spaced headings. Ss112 21:31, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

I don’t understand how I’m doing anything wrong. I’m only trying to be specific with particular credit information. Others have done it, so how am I different? Joshuadejohnson (talk) 21:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

How is adding spaces to headings being "specific"? How is removing "guitar" from "bass guitar" being "specific"? How is claiming everything in edit summaries that all you're doing in personnel sections is "adding links" when you're not just doing that "specific"? How is separating musicians from technical personnel into a separate sections when MOS:ALBUM says to group them all under "Personnel" being "specific"? Please don't try to play the victim when you've had enough this many years of warnings from different editors telling you to stop. Ss112 10:35, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

True, there are some details that I need to leave alone and I will do my best to do so. The point I was trying to make was that I’ve seen articles with those aforementioned outlines that were already detailed in that manner before. However, if that’s going to be a problem then I’ll stop. I’m not trying to be the "bad guy" or victimize myself, but I will assert myself and I know my intentions better than anyone. I do have respect for everyone and I’ll do my best to cease. Joshuadejohnson (talk) 15:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Other articles being formatted a certain way doesn't mean those are correct or should be followed as an example; they should be brought into line with MOS:ALBUM as well. Ss112 05:14, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

• I asked you to stop adding spaces to headings on articles that don't have other spaced headings. [1] Stop doing this. Why can you not resist doing this? Did you lay low for a while thinking I'd forget that you existed? Also, stop putting full stops in the infobox and writing "USA". It's "US" per MOS:NOTUSA. Ss112 06:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
• @Sergecross73: Hi Serge, I've had an issue with this editor's edits since last month, and they have merely resumed making the same problematic edits after they think they've been forgotten about. They are still separating production from personnel even though MOS:ALBUM says they should be under the same heading: [2]. They are still adding spaces to headings unnecessarily, making the style of an article inconsistent: [3]. Their edit summaries are also misleading: in that summary, and most, they claim they're "adding links" but actually remove a lot of links, or the edit has nothing to do with links. Joshua has shown they have not heeded my advice and I think it's approaching the point of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and disruption, especially after saying above "there are some details that I need to leave alone and I will do my best to do so". Ss112 12:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Final warning

I see countless attempts to explain to you that your edits go established guidelines, and are not helpful, and yet you have refused to stop. Is there anything that is unclear to you about this? If you refuse to listen and continue to ignore all these comments and warnings and just keep going at it, I'll be forced to block your account. Here's your last chance to discuss misunderstandings or stop. Sergecross73 msg me 14:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Brother. I’ve been praying and thinking considering my response to your comment. To start with, there’s no excuse for my actions. I’ve just been seeing it as something to pass the time and admittedly got carried away, even with some articles that apparently are restricted. I do apologize for that. It’s not that I’m attempting to "cry victim" or talk my way out of this, but I suppose it’s been like an addiction, habit forming, again to pass the time. Also, having a form of autism, I tend to be too detail oriented and I hope there’s some understanding with that. I hope this wasn’t too lengthy, but I knew an explanation was warranted, and I hope you don’t think of this as poppycock or bull (keeping it G rated, lol). Thank you for your time, take care! Joshuadejohnson (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Joshua, I have already asked you to stop adding spaces to headings that don't have them on the rest of the article. Keep heading styles on an articles consistent and don't make them inconsistent with your edits. Ss112 03:04, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Apologies Joshuadejohnson (talk) 03:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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