Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history

Summary of Military history WikiProject open tasks watch · edit · full list News and announcements The July newsletter is now available. Editors are advised that Featured Articles promoted before 2016 are in need of review, if you had an article promoted to Featured status on or before 2016 please check and update your article before they are listed at FAR/C. Current discussions No major discussions are open at the moment Featured article candidates Jozo Tomasevich • Genghis Khan • Benjamin Jackson (sailor) • Battle of Tinian • Henry Macandrew Featured article review Byzantine Empire • Battle of Red Cliffs • Edward I of England • Northrop YF-23 • Middle Ages Featured list candidates List of Eureka Stockade defenders Featured list removal candidates List of deaths at the Berlin Wall Featured picture candidates Thorsten Nordenfelt A-Class review Henry Biard • Fort Corcoran • Sihanouk Trail • Battle of La Haye-du-Puits • Boot Monument • Miyoshi Nagayoshi • Ernest J. King • Tim Hughes (soldier) • British nuclear weapons and the Falklands War • Lockheed YF-22 Peer reviews Muckrach Castle • Regency of Algiers • Military logistics • Brighton hotel bombing • Military dictatorship • Henry Clay Work Good article nominees Ava–Hanthawaddy War (1401–1403) • Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma • 1864 Washington Arsenal explosion • George II of Greece • Roswell incident • Maximiliano Hernández Martínez • Mohammad Shah Qajar • Gubir shootdown • Mariano R. Vázquez • Gotha WD.7 • Constantine II (emperor) • Japanese destroyer Natsuzuki • Battle of Lewisburg • Bill Crawford-Compton • Sentient (intelligence analysis system) • Eleanor of Castile • Charles Upham • The Motherland Calls • Soldiers' and Sailors' Arch • Monument to the uprising of the people of Kordun and Banija • Destruction of cultural heritage during the 2023 Israeli invasion of Gaza • Amazon-class frigate (1795) • Operation Matterhorn logistics • Northrop B-2 Spirit • Udagbedo • Battle of Ekiokpagha • Simon Stuart (general) • Black Hills National Cemetery • Ernie Pike • Duncan MacDougall (British Army officer) • 170th Rifle Division (Soviet Union) Good article reassessments Justinian I • Combat Aviation Brigade, 10th Mountain Division • Joe Rice • Gettysburg Cyclorama • Kowloon Walled City Articles that need... work on referencing and citation (147,751) • only work on referencing and citation (43,189) • work on coverage and accuracy (122,936) • only work on coverage and accuracy (19,747) • work on structure (31,824) • only work on structure (359) • work on grammar (8,170) • only work on grammar (46) • work on supporting materials (32,819) • only work on supporting materials (1,338) • assessment (3) • assessment as lists (2) • project tags fixed (5) • assessment checklists added (0) • assessment checklists completed (0) • task forces added (279) • attention to task force coverage (656)

A-Class review for List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves recipients: 1942 now open

The A-Class review for List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves recipients: 1942 is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 22:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Immediate Consensus Required on Eastern Front (World War II)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eastern_Front_%28World_War_II%29#Lead_image

If anybody's interested, this falls under our purview and would benefit from a true consensus. Bullzeye ^contribs 01:55, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The question is whether the image currently used in the lead, File:Reichstag flag original.jpg, is appropriate for that position, as it is non-free. What can't be agreed upon is whether it can be replaced or not; some say it can't, while others believe a map could take its place. Please add to the discussion there if you have time! Thanks, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 13:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for John S. Loisel now open

The A-Class review for John S. Loisel is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 05:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for Michael J. Daly now open

The A-Class review for Michael J. Daly is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 05:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Featured Articles and the use of Public Domain sources

A discussion is currently taking place on the matter of the reliance of public domain sources in a number of our FA class ship articles; all interested editors are encouraged to participate. TomStar81 (Talk) 06:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Featured List Candidacy of List of National Treasures of Japan (castles)

I nominated List of National Treasures of Japan (castles) which is part of the WikiProject Military history at WP:FLC. The criteria for featured lists are found here. Please add comments or questions to the nomination page. bamse (talk) 10:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Discussion regarding DANFS material

Please see this for a discussion regarding the use of DANFS material in ship articles. Thanks! –Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

USS Orion (AS-18)

There is an ongoing discussion going on about the relevence of a particular incident involving an individual who served on the Orion for a short time. The article relating to the incident was deleted at AfD, but there remains some resistance to removing the content from this article. As the article comes under the wing of this project, any comments would be welcome. Please see here. _wjemather^bigissue 11:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

WWII photos

New WWII photos have been discovered in Germany. They're probably from Charkow in Summer 1942. [[1]]. There's a call for help for proper identification and assessment. The presented collection of the images isn't the complete set that has been discovered. There are also images of Russian POW and of the fighting in Charkow. Wandalstouring (talk) 15:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Outstanding news

A major US cultural institution is opening its doors to us. They've offered to supply high resolution image files for restoration upon request. Posting here to solicit suggestions. This is a wonderful opportunity if you're looking for a potential featured picture to complement a featured article drive. The initial request will be five images; if you do restorations yourself we could expand that number. Can't announce the name of the institution onsite yet, so please follow up by email. Cheers! Durova⁴⁰⁸ 18:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

That is wonderful news! Can you disclose any information concerning the nature of the content (ie wars covered, nature of photographs included, things of that nature) so we can get a better idea which of the task force stand to benefit the most? TomStar81 (Talk) 19:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

...Also, there is one image I would personally like to see added at a higher resolution, if they have it: File:BattleOfShanghaiBaby.gif. I've tried twice to get this to FP status, I know it will be promoted, but the resolution at present is too small and the image could use a little TLC. TomStar81 (Talk) 19:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I have long been wishing for a courtroom photograph of the mass mutiny trial following the Port Chicago disaster. Binksternet (talk) 19:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I would also like any photographs relating to Medal of Honor recipients or related events.--Kumioko (talk) 21:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the replies. It's an American institution with the expected strengths and weaknesses. Have been running searches on World War I today with good results. Their collection is strong on the Western Front and on US military training camps. Includes a share of aviation and Naval photography. No specific hits on any of your three requests--these things tend to work by serendipity (as in click...click...click..a captured U-Boat!) If any of you would like to browse for yourselves I'd gladly share the URL via email. Just can't name the institution yet onsite until broader agreements are formalized. We're working toward a large scale image donation to Commons for example; there will be an announcement when the time comes. It's very exciting. There's a specific war (not WWI) that I anticipate following up about at a later date. For the present the site is a delightful grab bag. Durova⁴⁰⁸ 02:12, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Please email me the URL. Thanks! :-) Binksternet (talk) 19:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Featured portal candidacy

I have nominated Portal:Biological warfare as a candidate for Featured portal status. Feel free to comment, at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Biological warfare. Cirt (talk) 20:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Medal of Honor related articles

Over the past month or so I have been going through all the Medal of Honor related articles varifying their assessment status, makingn notes and creating a page to track it. This is not a formal project, just smoething that I created to give myself a starting point to start building up the content of the Medal of Honor related articles. I though I would post this out here as well in case others are interested as well. If you look at this page Medal of Honor assessments other than Amerian Civil War (ACW) you will find tables oif all of the Medal of Honor recipients other than those for the ACW with their assessment and some rough notes. This page reflects the same for the ACW Medal of Honor recipients and this page reflects those that still need to be created. The ones who are lined out are already done, although some are still stubs and need work. Just a few notes about the state of the articles in general:

1. All have infoboxes
2. Most have persondata
3. All have references although some need to be cleanup and expanded
4. Most have a link to at least one applicable portal
5. Most have a link to at least 1 list
6. Many still need photos
7. A little over half the recipients have pages but a lot still do not, most of those that still need articles are in the Indian wars or the American Civil War.
8. I am currently working on cleaning up the talk pages making sure they all have appropriate project banners (At a minimum they should have biography, MILHIST and United States), task forces and general info tags (needs photo, persondata, infobox, etc.).

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. --Kumioko (talk) 21:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for Battle of Maryang San now open

The A-Class review for Battle of Maryang San is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 00:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for Bombardment of Papeete now open

The A-Class review for Bombardment of Papeete is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 02:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Alt text for military ribbons

I have an issue regarding the use of alt text on military ribbons. I'm not sure if its come up yet but if it hasn't come up, it undoubtedly will so we may as well get to it. There are a lot of ribbon images used on WP articles that are currently lacking alt text or if they have it, it differs from article to article. Most of these images are fairly easy to explain and in my opinion could easily be standardized and done en masse using AWB or a bot. An example of this is the File:Medal of Honor ribbon.svg. This could be explained as "a small blue military style ribbon with five small five pointed stars". Not to say thats the best explaination but I think you see my point. Anyway the whole point to alt text is describing the image for those that can't see it. For ribbons, the challenge comes in explaining it so that it makes sense and using colors to describe it, is of limited value since they may not not what blue looks like. I am looking for some advice or ideas on how to deal with this if any users have ideas please let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 18:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Good idea to have a standard alt text for each ribbon and medal. We must specify colors, as many of those who cannot see the image are sighted people using handheld internet devices, or are people who were once sighted, or are blind people who understand that colors hold significance. Binksternet (talk) 19:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that sounds reasonable about stating the colors. I was thinking that it might also be useful to add the approved alt text to the image description. That way its in one place for all to see. I will draft up some suggestions for some of the ribbons and post them here and on the orders and decorations and bipography wikiprojects in the next day or so. --Kumioko (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Military history/Examples

This page is floating around in article space for some historical reason. Its only significant editor is inactive, so I wonder whether you fellows could find a proper home/use for it or if it ought to be deleted. Mahalo,  Skomorokh  00:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I've checked with User:Kirill Lokshin, and he says it's OK to delete it. Unless anyone has any further inputs, I will delete it within the next 36 hours. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Georgia during the American Revolution

Georgia during the American Revolution is one of ten articles that the New Georgia Encyclopedia ("NGE") has authorized Wikipedia to import as a pilot project. If this turns out well (as I am confident it will), the NGE will permit us to import their remaining body of over 2,000 well-researched and well-written articles, including a number of military history articles, which could pioneer a trend for other private owners of encyclopedic content to release their materials into our corpus. I would deeply appreciate any help that we can muster in getting this article up to GA status as quickly as possible. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Is there a central list of these articles? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 04:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

There's a list and background on this at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#New Georgia Encyclopedia project is underway! Nick-D (talk) 22:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for Yermolayev Yer-2 now open

The A-Class review for Yermolayev Yer-2 is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 07:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for 45th Infantry Division (United States) now open

The A-Class review for 45th Infantry Division (United States) is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! TomStar81 (Talk) 17:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Peer review for Battle of Resaca now open

The peer review for Battle of Resaca is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 03:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Listing all of the unreferenced biographies of living people and Nguyen Thi Binh

Nguyen Thi Binh is an unreferenced Biography of living people, so it will probably be deleted if it is not referenced. I have no interest in the subject of the Vietnam War. Could someone please reference it? Thank you.

List of cleanup articles for your project

If you don't already have Cleanup listings, Cleanup listings is a bot which collects all tagged unreferenced biographies of living people, plus other lists onto one page in your project.

It is very easy to add to your project: simply add a template to a page of your project! Instructions

A list of examples is here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okip (talk • contribs) 04:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for Joachim Helbig needs attention

A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for Joachim Helbig; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 04:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves recipients: 1942 needs attention

A few more editors are needed to complete the A-Class review for List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves recipients: 1942; please stop by and help review the article! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 04:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Featured article candidacy for Cedric Howell now open

The featured article candidacy for Cedric Howell is now open. Comments from reviewers are needed to help determine whether the article meets the criteria for featured articles; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Abraham, B.S. (talk) 03:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Peer review for War in Afghanistan (2001–present) now open

The peer review for War in Afghanistan (2001–present) is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! Nick-D (talk) 10:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Bäxtiär Qanqayıv

I wondered if anyone here wanted to cast an eye over this article. A Tatar military leader, but beyond that... Itsmejudith (talk) 15:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't appear to be a particular issue. Consider the large number of U.S. army colonels we've got articles for. We have to be careful of implicit systematic bias. Buckshot06 (talk) 10:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Coverage of pre-20hC is pretty thin on the ground on WP FWI've seen. Keep. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 11:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Peer review for Yazoo Pass Expedition now open

The peer review for Yazoo Pass Expedition is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 04:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Featured article candidacy for HMS Lion (1910) now open

The featured article candidacy for HMS Lion (1910) is now open. Comments from reviewers are needed to help determine whether the article meets the criteria for featured articles; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK₀₀₄ 05:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

FAR

I have nominated Sino-German cooperation (1911–1941) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey (Southern Stars photo poll) 06:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

A tricky issue about "allegiance"

An issue has come up at Eric Dorman-Smith around his later allegiances. For those who do not know the subject, he was a British general during the Second World War who had a spectacular fall from grace. As a result of his disaffection with the British Army and UK government and his political views, he later assisted the Irish Republican Army (1922–1969) during their Border Campaign. This raises the tricky subject of how to describe his "allegiance" in the infobox. Currently it is listed as United Kingdom and Ireland, a situation I don't think is ideal, for reasons listed on the talk page. Can any editors with experience or insight into this subject please comment at Talk:Eric Dorman-Smith? Leithp 11:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)