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Having looked at the archives I saw there was clear consensus against the addition of a statement to the opposite effect, on the basis that the Journal Intelligence and MDPI were not reliable sources, but I have not seen a consensus or any reason given to exclude the above paragraph, which says exactly the opposite of what the paragraph that was shut down by the consensus of the editors. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fq90|Fq90]] ([[User talk:Fq90#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fq90|contribs]]) 17:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Having looked at the archives I saw there was clear consensus against the addition of a statement to the opposite effect, on the basis that the Journal Intelligence and MDPI were not reliable sources, but I have not seen a consensus or any reason given to exclude the above paragraph, which says exactly the opposite of what the paragraph that was shut down by the consensus of the editors. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fq90|Fq90]] ([[User talk:Fq90#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fq90|contribs]]) 17:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Without assuming bad faith, I'd like to know whether you are the same editor who was posting in those above discussions as an IP. Your language style and reasoning appear to be identical. [[User:Generalrelative|Generalrelative]] ([[User talk:Generalrelative|talk]]) 17:43, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

No clue what you are talking about. Removing the most up to date and accurate information from an encyclopedia entry is also disruptive. Users who come to the article and read the section on "Genetics of race and intelligence" are going to go home thinking that no genetic variants contributing to variation in intelligence in the normal range have been found yet, and that is not the current state of the science. Do you not think this is problematic?
[[User:Fq90|Fq90]] ([[User talk:Fq90|talk]]) 17:45, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

:If you have no clue what I am talking about then you have not done the work of familiarizing yourself with previous discussions of this topic. [[User:Generalrelative|Generalrelative]] ([[User talk:Generalrelative|talk]]) 17:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I have, I only meant to say that I am not the user you mentioned. So is it problematic in your view that the readers of Wikipedia are going home thinking this encyclopedia has given them the most up to date and accurate information when as a matter of fact it has not?
[[User:Fq90|Fq90]] ([[User talk:Fq90|talk]]) 18:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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Former good article nomineeRace and intelligence was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
June 14, 2005Articles for deletionKept
June 24, 2005Peer reviewReviewed
July 18, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
August 25, 2006Good article nomineeNot listed
December 4, 2006Articles for deletionKept
April 11, 2011Articles for deletionKept
February 24, 2020Deletion reviewOverturned
February 29, 2020Articles for deletionKept
Current status: Former good article nominee

Adding the latest genetic research

Relentless parade of WP:BLUDGEON, WP:FORUMSHOP and WP:ASPERSION. Generalrelative (talk) 00:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.


How about we add the polygenic scores on educational attainment SNPs for the relevant races. https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/5 Please do not say we cannot add them because the author on the paper has said mean stuff on twitter btw. 93.149.193.190 (talk) 19:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You guys REALLY don't care if this is true or not right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.149.193.190 (talk) 22:02, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the article in the journal Intelligence [1] Given that the journal Intelligence is cited over a dozen times in this article, there should not be a problem with it right? (apart from the fact that the facts hurt your feelings that is) 93.149.193.190 (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(apart from the fact that the facts hurt your feelings that is) Thanks for making it clear you're not here in good faith. clpo13(talk) 22:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

Making clear the polygenic scores do NOT support hereditarianism

Profoundly WP:NOTHERE. Generalrelative (talk) 00:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.


In recent years scientists have found thousands of the SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms) associated with educational attainment (a close proxy for IQ) in what are known as genome-wide association studies. Collectively, these SNPs account for about 10% of the variance in educational attainment in European populations.[1][2] The distribution of these genetic variants across races does not support the hereditarian hypothesis for observed racial differences in IQ scores.[3]

Let us add this. The second sentence is straight from the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, the paragraph is right in line with modern scientific consensus. We have to add it now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:484:877C:94F0:FD2A:567D:EA90:669A (talk) 15:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts? 2800:484:877C:94F0:8099:F3B9:18C1:D346 (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think my time is being wasted. Firefangledfeathers 21:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do you disagree with that paragraph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:484:877C:94F0:410F:1804:8F60:40B4 (talk) 17:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removing outdated material

The section on "Genetics of race and intelligence" has many sentences to the effect that no genetic variants affecting intelligence in the normal range have been discovered. That is not longer true. We should remove that.

2800:484:877C:94F0:C026:2849:7482:9EF6 (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a section on the high European Jewish average IQ

This is one of the more interesting areas of Race and Intelligence that is not explored at all in this article.

2800:484:877C:94F0:C026:2849:7482:9EF6 (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

semi-protection

I've indef semi-protected the talk page due to serious signal to noise ratio issues and disruption. This is logged under the Arbitration log as an enforcement issue, a continuation of the previous AE case. Dennis Brown - 00:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Latest evidence against hereditarianism

Why was this reverted?

In recent years scientists have found thousands of Single-nucleotide polymorphisms associated with intelligence. The distribution of these genetic variants across races can be summarized in polygenic scores. These scientific developments have provided no support for the hereditarian hypothesis for racial differences in cognitive ability.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fq90 (talkcontribs)

A short stroll through recent discussions on this talk page (and its archives) will demonstrate that there is a clear consensus against including this content. Edit warring it back into the article after being reverted is disruptive, and such behavior will not result in the content being included. Generalrelative (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked at the archives I saw there was clear consensus against the addition of a statement to the opposite effect, on the basis that the Journal Intelligence and MDPI were not reliable sources, but I have not seen a consensus or any reason given to exclude the above paragraph, which says exactly the opposite of what the paragraph that was shut down by the consensus of the editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fq90 (talkcontribs) 17:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Without assuming bad faith, I'd like to know whether you are the same editor who was posting in those above discussions as an IP. Your language style and reasoning appear to be identical. Generalrelative (talk) 17:43, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No clue what you are talking about. Removing the most up to date and accurate information from an encyclopedia entry is also disruptive. Users who come to the article and read the section on "Genetics of race and intelligence" are going to go home thinking that no genetic variants contributing to variation in intelligence in the normal range have been found yet, and that is not the current state of the science. Do you not think this is problematic? Fq90 (talk) 17:45, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you have no clue what I am talking about then you have not done the work of familiarizing yourself with previous discussions of this topic. Generalrelative (talk) 17:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have, I only meant to say that I am not the user you mentioned. So is it problematic in your view that the readers of Wikipedia are going home thinking this encyclopedia has given them the most up to date and accurate information when as a matter of fact it has not? Fq90 (talk) 18:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]