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I will restore the deleted portions, but please - do not make these categorical deletions again. Please explain your grounds in good faith here instead. [[User:JArthur1984|JArthur1984]] ([[User talk:JArthur1984|talk]]) 20:36, 21 June 2022 (UTC)JArthur1984
I will restore the deleted portions, but please - do not make these categorical deletions again. Please explain your grounds in good faith here instead. [[User:JArthur1984|JArthur1984]] ([[User talk:JArthur1984|talk]]) 20:36, 21 June 2022 (UTC)JArthur1984

- as I’ve explained on multiple occasions the content that you are including is cherry picked and lacks independent sourcing unlike the criticisms of her visit which is why I retained them. The fact that you personally think a certain portion of a statement that she personally made through an office which she personally heads is important is not a reason for including it into the page and doing so would by your own standards violate wp:pov. Per wp:onus which says “the onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content”, stop reinstating your edit until a resolution on this dispute has been arrived at. [[User:Thundercloss|Thundercloss]] ([[User talk:Thundercloss|talk]]) 23:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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Her first name

If her first name is Veronica, why doesn't she uses that name? is it because Michelle it's more of a white European name?, or is it because she feels she would be discriminated by her Spnish name?, I'm a Chilean and for all I know we call ourselves by our first name.190.47.248.51 (talk) 21:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know man, I'm chilean as well and everybody calls me by my second "first name". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.160.68.57 (talk) 22:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, she answered that question in an interview... Michelle was the name preferred by her mother while Veronica was the name preferred by her father. Before she was born, both decided to call her Michelle but when her father went to register her, she put the name "Veronica Michelle" as a kind of joke. But in her family, she was always called just Michelle. And although the first name is the most usual to call someone, there are a lot of people called by their middle name... just like Miguel Juan Sebastián Piñera Echeñique. --B1mbo (talk) 02:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Style

Although well-written, this article makes excessive use of EM dashes, giving it a more journalistic appearance. I have replaced 2 or 3 of the least appropriate pairs of EM dashes, where commas or parentheses,( ), would be quite adequate and less dramatic. For the remaining EM dashes, spaces before and after each one might prove more aesthetic (and probably more effective) than the single spaces offered here. Ombudswiki (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

End of presidency

The article does not explain why Michelle Bachelet's presidency ended. Her name is not even on the Chilean presidential election, 2009–2010 article other than as the Previous President implying she did not attempt to retain the seat. Was she termed out? If not or did she chose not to run? --Marc Kupper|talk 18:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle was the Concertacion candidate. A President of Chile may not be re-elected immediately (without a break). Rd232 talk 19:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article now explains why she left office in 2010. Dominic's Fire (talk) 21:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I'm not sure why someone immediately reverted the edit explaining why she left office. I restored that though then then removed the sentence about that it is unknown if she'll run again. That sentence seemed unenclyclopediac. It would work if a reliable source can be found where someone asked if she plans to run and then we can source her response. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Peacock?

An IP user tagged this article as having {{Peacock}} words back in May 2010. Can we find any specific examples and remove/ref them? - Ruodyssey (talk) 11:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I was wondering the same thing. And it looks like it is the same IP that added a poorly written criticism section with no sources.
I suggest we remove the template and let the IP point out here on the talk page, what's wrong with the article.
Likeminas (talk) 16:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Earthquake and Tsunami 27 Feb 2010

I am SURPRISED there is nothing in this article about the earthquake that hit a couple of weeks before she was to leave office. More so because her neglect to have sounded the alarm caused hundreds of people to die when a tsunami hit the coastline. There are currently criminal proceedings against her in Chile by these victim's families. It is also controversial because she is said to be receiving special treatment and not questioned formally or according to law by the fiscal (equivalent to the US's term D.A.).

There are other significant controversial events that occurred during her presidency that are not introduced in this article... it tends to dodge and pain an unrealistic picture instead of a unbiast real one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.220.91 (talk) 16:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hodge-podge

The presidency overview is a hopeless hodge-podge in which the important and lasting contributions of Bachelet's government are drowned in all sorts of insignificant detail, with far too much attention being paid to the vagaries of the highly-politicized Chilean media.77.162.130.139 (talk) 23:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It needs more structure. Will do when I have the time. Pristino (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Tell me what you think. Pristino (talk) 02:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

19 December 2013

I made the most recent two edits; didn't realize I had logged myself out. Sorry. Quis separabit? 23:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

cabinet

we should use Template:Infobox Chile Cabinet here, rather than Template:Infobox cabinet directly, since the former introduces more uniformity across Chilean president articles. Frietjes (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Language skills

Her extraordinary language skills cited in the article are not trustwothy as souces are organizations to which she have links. These organizations (Chilean goverment, UN) have probably recieved her CV and have an interest in protraying her in a possitive light. We need some scrutiny into this. Dentren | Talk 00:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Opening up this conversation again, I completely agree with User:Dentren. I have came up with the conclusion that Bachelet is unable to speak French.
  • [Interview in French] (Bachelet evidently receives a translation of each of the interviewer's questions. Additionally, she does not speak any French throughout the interview. Also, if she can at least recognize French, she would not have paused in between questions to receive the Spanish translation of the interviewer's question).
  • [with the French President] (Bachelet also does not even speak with the President of France despite her alleged language abilities. Other Latin American presidents that have some knowledge of French such as Pedro Pablo Kuczynski have been seen on camera speaking French with the President of France.)
  • [Press Conference] (Again, no French).

Regards, DoctorSpeed ✉️ ✨

Could we lose the "discuss" here? Once you ditch the French (which no longer seems to be mentioned in the page) she would have German skills from living in Germany, and Portuguese skills are relatively easy for a native Spanish speaker. I can read Portuguese fairly easily thanks to my Spanish and French ... although I cannot speak it. Rob Harland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.42.185.13 (talk) 06:08, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lodges / Masons?

Mrs Brachelet is a frequent guest in masonic lodges - is she part of the brotherhood? Sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FJVqwV4DIY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlSigVxPoJQ and https://vimeo.com/214027398 and many more - simply ask google: "bachelet Gran Logia de Chile" - a membership or affinity of a high commissioner of UN is relevant, isn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.129.198 (talk) 03:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UGC is not a WP:RS. Zazpot (talk) 04:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Repeated Deletions in UN Human Rights High Commissioner Section

It seems strange that I need to start a new talk topic over a mundane matter, but here we are. A user is repeatedly deleting well-sourced, reliable, and important material related to Bachelet's time as UN Human Rights High Commissioner. The user has not articulated their rationale clearly, and I invite them to do so here.

The result of the user's deletions is that the article mentions Bachelet's visit to China, then skips right to organizations that condemned the visit, without saying what Bachelet concluded on the visit. This makes no sense.

The user has deleted my quotations from Bachelet's statements following the visit, but would retain the criticism of her visit. This creates problems with WP:POV and is also just plain confusing.

The user has also repeatedly deleted Bachelet's statement urging an investigation into Israel's alleged killing of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh.

I will restore the deleted portions, but please - do not make these categorical deletions again. Please explain your grounds in good faith here instead. JArthur1984 (talk) 20:36, 21 June 2022 (UTC)JArthur1984[reply]

- as I’ve explained on multiple occasions the content that you are including is cherry picked and lacks independent sourcing unlike the criticisms of her visit which is why I retained them. The fact that you personally think a certain portion of a statement that she personally made through an office which she personally heads is important is not a reason for including it into the page and doing so would by your own standards violate wp:pov. Per wp:onus which says “the onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content”, stop reinstating your edit until a resolution on this dispute has been arrived at. Thundercloss (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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