Talk:Cara Cunningham

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AOL News

Benji, did you see the AOL News spoof commercial of Crocker/Tase Me Bro/Miss Teen South Carolina? -- ALLSTARecho 06:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I did, if the tops and bottoms conflict above ever gets resolved that would probably be a decent parody to include and it adds some relevance to other recent youtube memes by comparison. Benjiboi 07:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

01. That weblink does not seem to connect to anyhing specific.

02. My machine is not really set to watch it anyhow, I do not have the audio, et-al.

03. Do you mean Lauren Caitlin Upton looking for "such that" "South Africa & Iraq" & Andrew William Meyer?

< http://google.com/search?q=%22lauren+caitlin+upton%22+%22%22+%22andrew+meyer%22+%22chris+crocker%22++aol++ >.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 21:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

The video is no longer there, if it appears elsewhere or on YouTube I'd be willing to be someone will repost. Benjiboi 04:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Here it is again. -- ALLSTARecho 17:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I just saw it, and if you ask me it perfectly demonstrates the kind of flash-in-the-pan internet memes that do not generally deserve articles on Wikipedia. OK, perhaps the taser incident has some long-term notability, but Chris Crocker's 15 minutes are long since up, and I don't think the Miss Teen South Carolina girl was ever notable in the first place. I look forward to the day when these articles are deleted, and Wikipedia gets a policy on Internetcruft to stop this sort of thing appearing over and over again. Terraxos (talk) 17:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion is hereby noted. You may consider that many memes do, in fact, go onto other successes so we're to write about what is verifiable not our wishes or aspirations. If Crocker does nothing else he'll simply be that guy and wikipedia will have a decent reffed article for anyone who bothers to look him up. Same as all the rest. Benjiboi 21:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Although he is generating less interest ever since the Britney video, you can see here that this wikipedia page is still getting at least 2,000 visitors daily, indicating that there is a lasting interest in Chris that is more than simply a meme. I would say that even before the britney video, chris may have deserved a page in wikipedia... he was already getting media attention and a lot of buzz months before the britney video, and being on jimmy kimmel, etc. with articles like this one. There is also much institutional bias, and I believe that there will be some articles in the coming months about youtube.com as a vehicle for censorship, possibly using chris's case and others as examples. Flying Hamster (talk) 20:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

This story can be bundled with it. Benjiboi 13:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Interview with Crocker

Thank's to Allstarecho for spotting this! Possible source. Benjiboi 01:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

And this one that rehashes the content of the one above but with a newer intro about how Time Magazine voted his Britney video best of 2007. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 04:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Access Hollywood interview

Needs transcribing - [1] Benjiboi 12:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

YouTube's most subscribed list

This is not a reliable source, and should not be used alone. It cannot be used alone because YouTube censor many 'channels' they believe viewers may find offensive, e.g. Pat Condell. As the order is always changing, instead of updating it constantly, you are better of saying 'RandomYouTuber is one of the top 100 most subscribed to users.'--Seriousspender (talk) 19:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If we have a source that YouTube's own ranking aren't accurate for their channels then we could potentially include that. It's likely that anyone else's reporting of the same information would also lean on YouTube's information so the time being I think it's fair to consider them the authority. On wikipedia we're suppose to date the information, for example as of January 2008 this is the ranking, and we have done that. Even if the updating is never done again it's accurate of that date. It would be more potent to state he's been in the top 20 channels since such and such date so I'll look into that possibility. Benjiboi 00:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

In thinking about it YouTube's ranking are only snapshots so until they show, or someone develops a chant of progress or someone publishes that information I think we should stay with where we are at. If he starts to go down in the rankings we could note his highest position and date that. Benjiboi 17:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

eh?

Resolved

{{editprotected}} Apparently the article has been protected again even though it was denied at RPP yesterday. So would an admin put the notice on the article that it is indeed protected please? Better yet, take it off of protection since the main problem user has now been blocked for 3 months. ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 03:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It was blocked yesterday (January 20) for edit warring. Not done. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, the problem is gone for 3 months so there won't be any more edit warring. ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 05:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I've re-requested unblock. Admin's please check talk page for User:Reginmund for verification of user's blocked status. Benjiboi 00:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

YouTube as a vehicle for coming out

• YouTube comes out by Neal Santos, The Temple News, Issue date: 1/22/08.

Discusses Crocker and Sledd. Benjiboi 03:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

OMG! SpongeBob SquarePants parody!

• The year in YouTube: The good, the bad and the hilarious By Ted Cox | Daily Herald 27 December 2007. References the SpongeBob SquarePants video here.

And now the circle is complete. Benjiboi 04:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

GayWired.com article about gay icons

Catch a Falling Diva: Britney Spears Learned from the Best Article Date: 01/10/2008, By Dylan Vox.

Might be something useful in here. Benjiboi 04:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Leave Britney Alone played on VH1

• Tops of the past year, according to YouTube by Ellen Lee, San Francisco Chronicle, Friday, December 28, 2007.

"One of the top videos was the pathetic "Leave Britney Alone" wail, made by Chris Crocker, which has been played on television ad nauseam, including on VH1." Benjiboi 04:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Pop Culture Top 10 List of Milwaukee's Journal-Sentinel

• Pop culture spent '07 in rehab and jail: Fame came to some who wept or flaunted big hair By TOM MAURSTAD, Dec. 30, 2007.

"Without further ado, here's the Pop Culture Top 10 List: 1. Cry me a river

A new form of voyeuristic entertainment involving people engaged in a deeply personal physical act on camera - crying - is hot stuff, sort of like pornography, only with groans of despair rather than pleasure.

Call it sobography. First there was Chris Crocker, the young man who became a YouTube sensation by videotaping himself tearfully pleading for everyone to "Leave Britney alone!"

Then it was Ellen DeGeneres opening a show in October by breaking down and tearing up over the misadventures of finding a new home for her adopted dog, Iggy." Benjiboi 04:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ellen_DeGeneres#Puppy_drama FYI. Benjiboi 04:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Really his site? I doubt it

• YouTube.com/ChrisCrockerResponds

The above site doesn't make any sense and I think it's a spoof or fake of some sort. Benjiboi 20:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

If it wasn't his, how could he be in the videos on it? That doesn't make sense. Rappingwonders (talk) 21:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

What an idiot. ^

He's one of the biggest Youtube vloggers and his videos are constantly being reposted for various reasons by others who are not him. Benjiboi 21:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Selected filmography?

I don't understand why 7 of his videos are listed there, why not mention them all? They don't seem anymore notable than 'LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE'. Unless they have been mentioned by sources.--Seriousspender (talk) 22:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Per prior discussion the selected filmography has been purposefully been limited to those with at least a million views and those mentioned by sources. These also got those million-plus views prior to the "Leave Britney Alone" video so also demonstrate that he had quite a following as an internet celeb prior to the big splash. It's likely others of his videos have reached beyong the million mark as well but I honestly feel that the ones we've included give a reasonable overview of his 60-70-plus videos that we know of; we cover the material dispassionately and site our sources in accordance with policies on verifiability, reliable sources, biographies of living people and websites. Benjiboi 00:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, he's a vlogger, this is what he does and is known for, an author has their books listed, an actor has their works listed, etc. Benjiboi 01:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What so your going to keep checking all his videos until they have 1million views so you can add them? I think only ones with real sources should be mentioned.--Seriousspender (talk) 07:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

As noted above most of them do have sources and all of them have met the above threshold prior to the "Leave Britney Alone" video that made him more internationally known. No, I'm not "going to keep checking all his videos" to see if and when some other move beyond the million-views mark (several more have, I believe). Please also see I don't like it as your many efforts to delete various aspects of this article are duly noted. In the case of the dead links you spotted, that was helpful as it resulted in getting those links updated. However, you may consider that indeed even if Crocker is not to your taste he is notable and he is a vlogger and as such a selected videography seems plenty encyclopedic. Benjiboi 22:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

You are good at assuming bad faith, maybe I was not aware of the sources policy? And maybe I wanted the article to stay relevant and not end up being filled with unencyclopedic/unverifiable fancruft? Quality > Quantity? I have removed the video 'Britney, this is for you.' as 2million views and x amount of comments is not a reason for it to be notable.--Seriousspender (talk) 14:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

As are you. And your actions to again remove videos and diminish his notability are again noted. Benjiboi 22:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You might also note that we didn't include some of his other videos even though they were discussed in secondary sources as they didn't seem that important compared to the rest. Benjiboi 22:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

please delete.... Smosh's video-conogrify got deleted so this (and most of Leave Britney Alone) should be deleted or its unfair for smosh! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.47.134.10 (talk) 13:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Smosh article still seems to be there, and that's the venue to discuss that issue.Benjiboi 18:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Pulled from hidden text for archiving

If any of these become more notable we can re-explore their inclusion. Benjiboi 22:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

• Chris Crocker - Nose pickin'. (posted May 29, 2007 to YouTube). Crocker let's people that don't like nose picking, know what he thinks about it. The video has been viewed over 185,000 times and has received over 1100 comments as of September 2007.

spoofvideo of incest with "brother" Scotty

Chris Crocker screws his own brother ,he admits it ! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6fTMb7MGg

Chris Crocker Kisses His Brother? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOWjMsEkvq0

chris crocker incest with his brother - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iuu_j67I2U

• brotherly Love. (posted September 3, 2007 to _______). DESCRIPTION HERE. "We talk about his boyfriends ("At least I got to use him as a prop for a while," he says of a recent one, who pretended to be Chris's brother in a video spoof on gay-brother incest"

• The Earl Annie Edna show! (posted February 25, 2007 to YouTube).

The Earl Annie Edna show! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfpP2k85nw8

The Earl Annie Edna show! - http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=5034937

Feb 25 Earl Annie Edna pt.2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuA75dY_z8k

Earl Annie Edna pt.2 - http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=5069094

Feb 25 Earl Annie Edna pt.3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsZzxBT3EJM

Feb 26 Earl Annie Edna's intervention. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3yjI9kBIy8

Feb 26 Earl Annie Edna's announcement! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTedili3ldk

edu what?

Edutainer? Give me a break. Somebody get that crappy little piece of newspeak out of this article, mkay? TIA

It's a quote and correctly attributed as same, you'll also note it's wikiliked to edutainment so readers can choose to learn more if they choose. Benjiboi 02:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Who is it a quote from? It doesn't seem to be in either of the references that follow it. DJ Clayworth (talk) 21:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

From Crocker, I believe it was on his MySpace page which he now lists himself as "professional enlightener / preacher". The refs have been moved and vandalized so it probably got just removed or moved in one of the many edits. I'll re-add the dated MySpace page and another ref. Benjiboi 22:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

We don't generally take people's words for what they are without adding "self-described" or some such qualifier. I'll do that. DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

It actually used to state that but prior discussion was that quotes were fine, I'm not bothered either way. Benjiboi 18:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

wiki liable

wow, thats great. 'keeps his location secret because of death threats. oh and by the way he lives in los angeles, california'. whats the freakin point of putting that in there? HES a hUMAMN BEIGNG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.198.19.169 (talk) 11:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

That's a good point. I added the information myself as Crocker himself has stated it on his homepage. I will also note that I expect that he may reveal his identity or it will be reported in RS soon as he is near legal age and he seems to have now re-located from his homestate where threats and violence were apparently an everyday reality to Los Angeles where the paparazzi are the bigger issue. I will also note that we will still stick with policy on revealing the same information as we have done before. Benjiboi 20:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

In fact, this was always a bit of a crock, as other parts of Wikipedia listed his real name and where he lived all along.--209.202.70.226 (talk) 19:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Really, I can't say that I'm aware of that. Do you have any examples? Benjiboi 23:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I must retract this, as the reference in question was removed at the end of November. Additionally, my memory was in error in stating that the article used his real name (although it can easily be found on Google)--209.202.70.226 (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks for checking back! Benjiboi 21:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Kiss with Brother

Why is there no mention of this? it has attracted considerable attention.JTBX (talk) 01:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

This has been discussed here quite a few times actually, the "brother" in question was actually his boyfriend at the time. Personally I thought the video was clever and wished he hadn't removed it. If you see a reliable source referencing this it might be worth mentioning. Benjiboi 01:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Link to pt:wiki

Link to pt:wiki should be removed, as this article doesn't exist there anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.44.19.200 (talk) 15:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Photo of Chris Croocker

Resolved

There is a photo on Polish version of chris Crocker wiki, maybe it can be used here http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Chris_Crocker.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.19.193.246 (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we had that one but it was deleted off as unfree. We'll hopefully get a replacement photo. Benjiboi 02:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Danity Kane "Damaged"

This is Chris' latest video. It's been up for less than a week and is going to break a 1,000,000. It needs to be added on the article. It's also notable since he shows his pubic region and he's purposely dancing suggestively to incite reaction. Also, this video has already got more views than the actual single itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.85.117 (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Lol. He's special, I'll give him that. We might consider bundling this in some way with the "Watch it" video which sounds about the same theme. Several videos have topped over the two million mark so we certainly could look to adding a few. Benjiboi 02:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I move for deletion

This guy isn't worthy of a wikipedia page. He doesn't rate a mention in a big book of time wasters. Internet Celebritys don't rate encyclopedia archiving. So, yay or nay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.226.203 (talk) 04:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please. - 99.251.96.66 (talk) 22:17, 22 March 2008

Agreed 100% he wrote it himself. get a life (UTC)

You could try but I think it would fail quickly under WP:SNOW. Like Crocker or not the article seems to be pretty safe. And Wikipedia does write articles about Internet celebrities, see List of Internet phenomena#People. Benjiboi 23:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Also Category:Internet celebrities. Benjiboi 23:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please84.152.127.132 (talk) 16:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

For what my opinion is worth, I think that the whole Chris Crocker phenomenon chould be boiled down to a sentence or two on the Britney Spears page, with a link to Youtube. Aside from that one incident, there's not really anything noteworthy enough to be worth chronicling here. As time goes by, this becomes more and more apparent.--Wee Charlie (talk) 16:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Your opinion is totally valid but wikipedia policies suggest that the article and Crocker's notability remain even if he never does anything else. Benjiboi 21:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

An article, fine, it's huge for someone who is basically known for one Youtube vid. Possibly it should be trimmed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.58.120.11 (talk) 05:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

His worldwide fame indeed came from the one video but his notability was apprent prior to and post that video as well. Even he stated he wished that wasn't the way he became known to the whole world but it's simply the most famous of the now 80-90 videos he's published and we seem to emphasize that in the article. Banjiboi 01:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Any "internet celebrity" doesn't deserve a wiki page. Mostly because they are really only famous on that, the internet. Mention Crocker in one of two sentences on Spear's page and get this out of here. He wastes enough memory on the internet with his dumb videos, then theres this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.226.203 (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I second, He is a internet celebrity. Such Celebrities should be merged into one page. Crying about Britney Spears should not make a person famous. This guy is basically famous for not deserving to be famous, we should not be encouraging that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattcruise (talk • contribs) 03:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

He did make headlines not just in the United State but also most of the Worlds News outlets (Not just the internet but newspapers and TV). Bidgee (talk) 03:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Transgendered?

Is he a trans

Why does he have that long blond hair and wear all that makeup and girls' clothes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrickJ83 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Generously we could say he's extremely in touch with his femininity. He hasn't indicated a disposition for being transgender. Banjiboi 01:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

"Openly gay"

I'm gonna be bold and remove this in the lead paragraph. My reasoning, as I stated in the edit summary, is that (for example) Jon Stewart's article doesn't start off by naming him as a Jewish straight male. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 01:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, I now at least see what you meant by your edit summary. If everything Jon Stewart published and talked about was about being Jewish would that maybe sway your opinion? Because seemingly everything Crocker says and publishes is about being an openly gay kid; arguably this might change as he grows older, or maybe tired of this recurring theme, but even Madonna and Britney seem sex-focused likely because sex sells as a hot-button topic. Crocker seems to be trying to get attention so he can talk about various issues and he odd appeal coupled with sexual overtones seems to be working. There's a new five second-long vid of his where he simply blinks twice while staring into the camera. It's been viewed nearly two million times. He's a character and his sexuality seems to be worn on the sleeve. Banjiboi 01:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Update. OK, I've moved this to the following sentence to help address this concern and more conform to WP:MOS, in any case removing altogether did not seem appropriate so I hope this is an acceptable change. Banjiboi 14:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

sex tape?

he said on MySpace that he would be making one with his boyfriend anyone hear anything about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.132.245 (talk) 01:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Youtube rating

To be fair, since this article appears to almost overwhelmingly pro-Crocker, it should be noted that the infamous video currently has a rating of only 2 out of 5 stars on youtube. Aaron Bowen (talk) 02:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Screenshot

The Screenshot is 2 times in the article. Could someone please delete the unnecessary photo? thx --77.189.180.43 (talk) 11:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Y Done ➪HiDrNick! 16:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Date of birth

If Chris Crocker got "crock-blocked" from Hyde on December 7th, on his birthday, (as he himself confirmed to TMZ), then why does it say on here that he was born on December 2nd?

NPOV

the tone of this article is clearly bias and in favor of the subject. The color of the infobox, the non mentioning of his hometown, the dubious pipelink to clarksville, tn. The tone is very cavalier and unencylopedic.Myheartinchile (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry but what does a color of an infobox got to do with a POV? Bidgee (talk) 07:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Answer? Nothing. Infobox colors are not customized by article. Banjeboi 01:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

His name and location have been left off, for now at least due to the near-daily death threats against him. If and when a reliable source reveals this information per WP:BIO then we can certainly update the article. I do agree with Myheartinchile that some of the criticism that I had placed in the lede could have stayed there rather than being moved down. Per WP:Lede we are supposed to summarize criticism in context so i would support re-adding some of it back in. Here is essentially what I had put in before:

“ Crocker's detractors and critics have accused him of melodramatics,[64] histrionics,[20] and using Spears' personal shortcomings to bolster his own fame;[65][66] Others have accused Crocker of acting in the "Leave Britney Alone" video,[67] although he insisted that it was a genuine "blog from the heart" on a 20 September 2007 appearance on the Maury Povich show.[68][10] ”

I would support moving this paragraph back up into the lede as I feel it fairly summarizes the main criticisms.Banjeboi 01:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

References

Numerous unreferenced claims are made in this article. The references needed tag should remain. 90 references or not. Clearly 90 references do NOT cover all the claims made in this entry. Any long article can have even hundreds of references i.e. Hillary Clinton but unreferenced claims must still be supported.Myheartinchile (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I would rather you state what needs sourcing and or use the {{fact}} to what need sourcing. No use tagging an article without knowing what needs to be sourced. Bidgee (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I had vetted everything up until a few months ago so would be happy to confirm or, if needed, remove anything that isn't true. Banjeboi 01:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Brittany Spears comments

Are very notable and important since this dudes claim to fame is defending her. The justification that she was "crazy" when she said that is silly and OR. There is no unbias way of keeping it out. US Magazine is a legitimate third party source.Myheartinchile (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

It's trivial. Read the story. "a Spears pal tells Us." which means the source isn't reliable as this is the only site which has this and it doesn't state who said it so it's just a he said she said situation. Bidgee (talk) 07:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

well it can say, according to US Magazine, sources close to BS have stated that according to BS she thinks x of Chris Crocker. I think we need more opinions on this subject. Furthermore how do you know thats the only place its been stated, how bout we both try and look into that and regroup here a latter time?Myheartinchile (talk) 20:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm open to reliable sources if there are any - frankly they both are accomplished at getting media attention and I'm pretty sure that Spears isn't interested in giving Crocker any more attention by discussing him. If there are reliable sources then please post it here so we can sort out how to deal with it. Banjeboi 01:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

This sentence needs some serious work.

Almost all of Crocker's work has been attributed to his being an openly gay and effeminate Southern adolescent in a "small-minded town" in the Bible Belt where his sexual orientation and outspokenness are a "subtext... rarely addressed directly and never completely accepted.

The cittions do not assert "work" what works? What does his video have to do with him being gay? They are about him being hysterical about that psycho brittany's embrassing behavior and the criticism and mocking she received due to it. What does the video have to do with him being effeminate? or Southern? "Small minded town" is very libelous and is conjecture and opinion and should not link to intolerance, this is not cited. Where is it reliably sourced that the Bible Belt and his small town have rarely address and don't accept his outspokenness. What outspokenness? He speaks out around town about Brittany Spears?Myheartinchile (talk) 00:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Crocker had, of that writing produced at least 60-70 vlogs, his "work", and the sentence is accurate and supported by the many interviews with him. In context of all his work the Britney videos were a small portion but the main one got picked up internationally as was his "breakout" vlog. I think the article pretty clearly explains that. Banjeboi 01:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Those 60-70 vlogs are not notable and were not reffered to in the citations given. "many" interviews? Which ones are those? His passtime of producing videos is irrelevant filler, only the Brittney video has any notability, the rest are patent nonsense and not mentioned in any other source by name, only in passing in the likes of "oh yeah he made some other videos too". The article does no such thing. Also you have very serious POV issues since you are Chris Crocker.Myheartinchile (talk) 03:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)