User talk:ChildofMidnight

I will not now or ever remain silent in the face of attacks on Wikipedia's integrity, including the censorship of minority perspectives that goes against the core neutral point of view (WP:NPOV) policy and the attempted intimidation and harassment of editors holding minority viewpoints. Some things are worth fighting for, and I will never kowtow to ignorance and bias or the thugs that advance them as a righteous cause.

"I would find it impossible to just sit back and watch the blatant injustice without doing something about it. I'd have reversed that block immediately and blocked the blocking admin for 24 hours, until he'd sobered up." -common sense (uncommon on Wikipedia)

Travesty in motion: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Obama articles/Proposed decision. Wikipedia's arbcom is in the process of dishing out heavy punishments to good faith editors who have faced the wall of incivility and NPOV violating POV pushers camped out on the Obama articles. Despite many efforts to discuss the issue and present alternatives for resolving it, Wizardman and the other Arbcoms appear ready to reinforce and encourage the incivility, obstruction, wikilawyering, and harassment carried out by those calling themselves "defenders" and "patrollers" on these pages. This is a dark time for Wikipedia when bias is encouraged and the censors are rewarded for their efforts. If you're opposed to Arbcom spitting on our core policy of NPOV please contact them and let them know that punishing the good faith efforts of editors facing severe challenges in addressing this problem is the height of bad form and totally unacceptable.

Delete all content that I think is boring or that can be obtained from other sources. But keep both the articles that remain. {&nbsp} — One of Wikipedia's Wise Men

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It was about time you had one of these

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Thanks

Thank you ever so much,have fun as well Secthayrabe (talk)

Putting this here for now since I can't edit my userpage at the moment. Maybe once Connolley sobers up?

References

The Dutch don't need no stinking references!

The big day

Hey Child. It's been a while. How are things? Are you doing anything exciting for Independence Day?--The Legendary Sky Attacker 01:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

No big plans here Sky. But Sky Attacker is a good name for a firework!. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

You know, it actually is a good name for a firework. Maybe when Wikipedia celebrates its 10th anniversary I'll have a firework named after me. Who knows?--The Legendary Sky Attacker 20:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

How to handle relations on Wikipedia

Squid, freshly drawn and colored

Squid: battered and fried (calamari)

How about moving the disputed relations to mythical countries on mythical continents? If all else is ruled out, moving may be the best solution. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support Moving bilateral relations articles where they don't belong. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

You misunderstood me - and I can see why you keep getting into trouble over politics. I would only move them to appropriate mythical places - ones where they do belong. Nobody could object to that. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose moving bilateral relations articles to appropriate places, especially mythical ones. Mythical places are sacred on Wikipedia and shouldn't be fooled with by trolls. Elves, maybe. Admittedly, the articles aren't up to the standards of fictional characters, but they're getting there. I think I could be convinced to merge the bilateral relations articles into trilateral relations, or perhaps quadrilateral relations. But I draw the line at pentagonal relations. That can get confusing and also has overtones of Wicca type paganism. And the edit wars on the anarchy articles are a real free for all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

A compromise could be to move them to unilateral relations with mythical places. The real country would have a relation with Erewhon or Ruritania, whatever, but the mythical place would have no corresponding relation to the real country, so would remain undisturbed. Many of the articles listed in United States foreign relations show how this could be done. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Have we slipped through the back of a wardrobe to Uncyclopedia? LadyofShalott 18:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops! I'm in the wrong wiki - and think I have been for the last 1,746 edits on bilateral relations. Never mind. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

First of all, what is Erwhon and why isn't there an article about it? And second of all, this isn't an Uncyclopedia? Is it a MMPORG? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Erewhon is a famous book by Samuel Butler. BTW, CoM, if you haven't already, notice what you get if you reverse the spelling of Erewhon.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Nohwere? It seems Butler is no better at spelling (backwards at least) than some Wikipedia editors (including myself) forwards. Interesting stuff. The introduction where it says "is a book by Samuel Butler, who wrote is anonymously" is a bit trippy. Maybe it could be reordered to improve coherence? Have a fun weekend. I know Canada hasn't gained full independence from the Crown yet, but I'm holding out hope that one day soon... ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

As long as I'm the one in charge I always support unilateral action. And I must say that what you've suggested seems like a pretty fabulous idea, from what I can understand of it (which isn't much). I do hope we can work in the Micronations. And I also want to point out the special delight I took in seeing you embroiled (and fried also) in disagreements involving those opposed to preserving the bilateral content and those who want it preserved but don't want the bits that aren't independently notable merged and redirected. What fun! Crete's got nothing on Wikipedialand (Cyprus, maybe). Although the presence of ample squid and octopus suggests that all of these places (is this a place?) have a lot of suckers. And I do enjoy chewing on them. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Calamari, when cooked just enough not to turn them into rubber bands, is great stuff. Could eat it all day. :) :) :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I once spent an afternoon with a whole lot of squid experimenting. Dropped into hot chicken broth, it was completely eatable in a couple of minutes, maybe less. Dipped in a very light batter it could be cooked in hot oil in a wok in less than a minute, in a slightly cooler oil in less than two minutes - but no longer, because it would get tough. In a frying pan with garlic and green peppers, maybe a little bit longer. In a soup with wine and other stuff, a whole lot longer. The cooking time makes it tender, then tough, then much later tender again. However it is cooked, the tentacles have to be the best bits - love those suckers. What has this possibly got to do with bilateral relations on Wikipedia? My aunt likes calamari and she has an email address... Have to close down - just got an idea for rescuing an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

It has everything to do with. Meanwhile, you're makin' me hungry. Better head down to the marina, where a seafood platter has my name on it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 01:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The most dangerous dessert in the world

Cake in a mug. But of course you've beat me to it. The source actually called it the most dangerous cake recipe in the world, but how dramatic is that? Flowanda | Talk 19:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

My vote is for the bacon explosion. I think there must be some kind of date cake desert. but maybe it's just a mirage brought on my too much dessert. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Images in Zanthoxylum americanum

Hey, thanks for adding those! One thing is weird though - I can see the seedling image, but not the picture in the infobox. If I go to the file name directly, I see it, but not in the box. Is it working on your end? LadyofShalott 23:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Works okay here. Try refreshing? Hopefully I did the photos okay. If not J Milburn will leave me a stern warning. :) I can't figure out how to cite picture in the infobox. I used their preferred citation format as a courtesy, but I suppose it can be altered.

I also did some tweaking to get rid of redundancies and then had to reword slightly based on that. Probably good anyway since it will make it a bit less like the sources? Some people get mighty unhappy if it's too close, and others get mighty unhappy if it isn't close enough. So it's a careful dance. Hopefully I didn't mess anything up too badly.

I may have overdone it on the ways it's named, but I don't know how you pick which to include and which to leave out? I left an edit summary on the need for redirects. What does the "Mill." part of the name mean? It's cool that like the miniature pig it turned out to be scientifically significant for potential medical applications. We may be helping save the world... from fungus... or maybe some of the other things it is supposed to aid in folk medicine.

Happy to help out of course. It's a nice looking article I think. But I am no more a biologist than I am a mathematician. But I'm an expert at creative writing... which really helps out here on the Uncyclopedia encyclopedia. A photo would be nice. Where did you stumble on this plant anyway? I didn't think you left the home-office/computer room... ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I still don't see that one picture, but maybe when I close out completely and restart, it'll work. I don't mind the long list of names; I guess we'll see if anyone else objects.

It's common in botanical nomenclature to use an abbreviation for the person who first described it scientifically. As it turns out, I was able (thanks to the prompt for me to look) to wikilink the abbreviation, Mill., to the article about him - Philip Miller.

I clicked on a requested articles link. In my recent recent pages patrolling, I've been intrigued with some of the stubs on plant species I've found. So when I saw this was requested, I checked my copy of Duncan and Duncan, and there it was... ergo, I could at least create a little stub... D&D just has the one line about the medical use... hmm let's look in Grieve - yep there it is... I need to check the length, but I'm guessing it's long enough for a DYK. Any hook suggestions? LadyofShalott 00:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

RE:"I can't figure out how to cite picture in the infobox." - Fixed. APK coffee talk 04:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Careful with those CSD:G4s, guv...

Jared Turner doesn't qualify for a CSD:G4 on two counts: 1. the previous articles for Jared Turner were about an entirely different subject, and 2. there was never a deletion discuss (i.e. an AfD) on the previous articles. I wouldn't argue if you put him up for ProD, however ... I think this Jared Turner, properly references, might just be notable. —  X  S  G  23:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Ooops. Okay. Thanks. I just knew it had existed before and been deleted because it showed up on my watchlist as a new article and I remembered it. But I see your point about not knowing if it had gone through an AfD or not. If only I had admin status I could have a look... :) Thanks for the pointers. Next time I'll bring it to an admin's attention so the history can be properly ascertained by the heavy hitters with the big guns. Have a good one. Are you sure it is a different subject? It sure looks like the article I remember... ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

There are a couple things you can do without bringing it to an admin's attention. First, check the deletion log for that article by going to its history page and then clicking on "view logs for this page" at the top. For this article in question, you can see that it was deleted four times previously, and each of the deletions mention a CSD rather than an AfD (plus, one CSD was a G7 for author blanking, two of the CSDs show that the article was about a person with the same name but a different profession and thus probably wasn't the same person, and one CSD just says nn BIO, meaning non-notable biography, without further info). Second, you can see if the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared Turner exists. If it does, it should contain the previous deletion discussion. —  X  S  G  00:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Dude. 24,000 edits in six months?! How do you pull that off?! I've only got a little over 4,000 in three years... —  X  S  G  00:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

See Loser (Beck song). Also, I have limited "show preview" affinity and am a sloppy typist. So most edits take me four or five tries.

I'll try to remember the deletion log in the history page. Searching for AfDs seems a bit much. I haven't had the experience of noticing a page being recreated like that too often, but I do wonder what stops someone from just recreating until we miss it once. I guess the creator might have to jump IPs too if they get blocked...

Anyway, given my recent experiences on new page patrol where a copy-edit was met with nasty and abusive comments as well as false accusations on my talk page, and then (because that wasn't enough) a block from one of our admin elites, I may have to lay low for a while. :) But it is interesting how many articles never seem to get checked at all. And helping out there doesn't seem to get a lot of appreciation, and is pretty involved when it's done right. And it isn't nearly as satisfying or rewarding in accolades and collegial cooperation as creating articles, fussing with DYKs, or jibber jabbering about fractional coloring. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Color by number!

So, here's how you color with fractions. The idea is that a pair of dots joined w/ a line can't share any colors. One half-color colors one half of a dot!

In other news, we finally had a sunny day on Dagobah, and the splint on the force finger seems to be working. -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, but I've been informed by a Fields Medal winning mathematician that your work is "clueless". So I don't know whether we mere mortals should trust your comments and diagramming.

I need A.K.Nole's help. Now there's an editor that I feel I can trust, despite your criticisms you meanie! The flower looks lovely. I didn't think it got sunny like that on your world. Are you traveling for the weekend? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It was that remark that inspired me to dust off that graphics program and vandalize that article. I didn't know anyone else noticed it!

I'm only traveling this weekend as far as the supermarket, and that's only if I run out of grilling supplies at home. :) -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this how they're teaching kids arithmetic today??? No wonder India and China are whipping us. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 23:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

See also new math. :) This might be the first comment that I've ever agreed with BB about. Of course I'm still trying to figure out how this fractional coloring works. At least it's cool looking and interesting. Mathematical sudoku. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

You're right, that Sudoku can be analyzed as a graph coloring problem. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't agree that calamari is delicious??? :( Anyway, yes, it's attractive, but it doesn't make sense. But I'm old school, where we dealt with numbers. 5/2 is less than 6/2 because 5 is less than 6. That should be perfectly clear. Yes? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 00:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

By George, I think he's got it! Imagine the 6 colors are 6 agents who have to staff 5 meetings, 2 at a time, and the lines between dots represent conflicts. You can cover all 5 meetings w/ only 5 agents if you mix up teams, like in the bottom picture. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

You lost me at the bakery. But as long as it makes sense to whoever needs it... :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 00:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

• Note to self: avoid locally engineered bridges in Denton... ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:14, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Or avoid bridges altogether, no matter who designed them. Check out the one on the Bohemian Flats, for example. Oddly enough, the underpinnings of the I-35W Bridge vaguely resembled the colorful diagrams in this section. Let the split colored discs represent gusset plates, and... Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 00:24, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
    • What th'- Oh. That's not the same I-35W we've got in Denton. I was concerned if the Mississippi River ran through here I didn't know it. -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
      • Same I-35, just a different I-35W. Around both Minneapolis/St.Paul and Dallas/Fort Worth, the highway splits to form I-35E and I-35W. The Mississipi bridge collapse was a major news item in Minny a couple of years ago. It looked like it was constructed of tinker toys - kind of like what these diagrams look like. The new one, which was built in record time by today's standards, looks much more solid, and most importantly, it has not collapsed. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 01:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Jeepers

GTB I think I get it (at least somewhat). That seems like an insanely complicated way of approaching number systems, or numbering, or whatever it's called. Numeric coloring? Although I remember the first time numbers were put on a number line, and that seemed weird too and baffling. So maybe we're all just narrowminded by what we're used to: approaches to computational mathematics that work well. :) But it is interesting. Can you divide the individual discs into 3 sections? 4 sections? What happens if a disc connects to more than two other discs?

Goodness gracious, now I'm going to have to start reading these crazy articles you're writing. Where's WMC when we need him... Someone stop this disruption. If my head starts hurting any worse I'm worried I'll start bleeding out my ears. Do you use an abacus at the supermarket? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I wish I worked on more math articles. Maybe I'll start. As for coloring, it's not really a way of approaching counting or numbering. It's more of a special topic that comes way after the basic tools are developed.

The other image in the article is an example where each dot is connected to 3 others. There are also situations where divisions other than halves are more efficient. Ultimately it's a problem about trying to cover something in the most efficient way. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Was there a particular problem that this area of mathematics was developed to address? Is it related to allocating resources as your example to Bugs seems to indicate? I'm having difficulty imagining the advantages over more traditional approaches to fractions. But I suppose practicality is no reason to limit oneself. Anyway, I'll have to look into it more when I have some time. It definitely seems like something that might be worth putting to AfD to avoid confusion. :) Thanks for posting on my page about it. Fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I see the article answers some of my questions. Is the coloring graph just a visualization and modeling excercise? While the mathematics is function limits based? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

(ec) I'm not sure what inspired the study of fractional colorings. It may have been to talk about resource allocation. I should find out. I know that ordinary colorings, where you only use whole colors, can be used to talk about map coloring problems, which I guess are also about resource allocation, for a cartographer with a limited color-palette. There's a picture in that article just above the history section that shows how to turn a map into a graph.

People might have just made it up because they were messing around with whole-number colorings, and realized that the mathematical tools that apply to those problems work just as well if you allow for fractions. An idea about what that actually means could come after, or not at all. That's often where new ideas come from, just riffing off of old ideas. Some people just study graph theory because they like the pretty pictures.

I guess the picture is dispensable, in the sense that you can ask and answer questions without ever drawing it. That actual math used isn't yet made too clear in the article, I think. Even though the "fractional chromatic number" is defined in terms of limits, that's not how it's calculated. One practical approach is to turn the problem into an algebra problem involving some rather big matrices, and then solving that and translating the solution back into the language of colors. Another practical approach is to... try and dream up something else that will work. :) -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Just in case you have some free time...

In a recent rescue of The Legend of Gator Face, I purposely left numerous redlinks and explained why on the article's talk page. I completed the article for Marilyn Vance and have pretty much fininished one for Alan Mruvka, only to find that User:BioDetective2508 already had done so as I was about to go live with User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Alan Mruvka. I am exceedingly pleased that someone is following up on the talk page suggestions, and I will write him to speak about bringing my version over to his. But in the meanwhile, I'd like to have you give my version a once-over. Thank you, MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 06:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Ahh... never mind and have a great 4th. You can see by the now red link that I've already combined my information into the article. So if you happen to stop in at Alan Mruvka, you might check to see if I missed any typos. Best wishes, MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your keen eye. Happy Fourth! MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 00:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The Fourth Of July

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!
--The Legendary Sky Attacker 07:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi ChildofMidnight

Happy 4th of July! I'm a little drunk right now, coming back from my brother's townhouse party, but what the hell, better late than never to make a response. I meant to reply on your talk page as soon as you left that message, but I TOTALLY forgot. Glad you liked the photos I left at Scapler's page. If you like those, you'll friggin love these: User:PericlesofAthens/Gallery. They certainly aren't good enough to become featured pictures, but they are incredibly valuable from the encyclopedic and historical perspective. Cheers, buddy! And happy Independence Day.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 07:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Discussion etiquette

There is a bad habit that you and many other contributors have when making an argument; stating well if we are going to include this, we will need to include _____ because _____. is not a valid point and is just being overly dramatic. Twice you have used this argument in discussions in which I have participated, the cup cake/cake in a cup and Cheesesteak/steak sandwich merge discussions, and I am sure there are other examples of this in your postings. Making a claim that the other contributor's reasons for merging a subjects would lead to requiring all articles in a category to also be merged into the article is a spurious argument that could be taken as an insult to the other contributor.

Could you please try to make a more valid, policy based argument instead of falling back on this type of tactic? --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think objecting to the other stuff exists type arguments on one side is appropriate if you're going to ignore those on the other side. I agree it isn't a great argument, but it comes in response to similar arguments from the merge advocates and dramatizes the flaw in the because we were able to do something here we should do it here argument. That various sub type articles were merged doesn't indicate it's appropriate to merge philly cheesesteak and french dip, which are distinctly different. Certainly the subjects should be included in the steak sandwich article, but I don't see why a merge would be beneficial. I agree that the discussion should focus on the merits of the particular case in question. While examples are fine to give, straw man arguments aren't helpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Editing survey

Hi. My name is Mike Lyons and I am a doctoral student at Indiana University. I am conducting research on the writing and editing of high traffic “current events” articles on Wikipedia. I have noticed in the talk page archives at Barack Obama that you have contributed to the editing or maintenance of the article. I was hoping you would agree to fill out a brief survey about your experience. This study aims to help expand our thinking about collaborative knowledge production. Believe me I share your likely disdain for surveys but your participation would be immensely helpful in making the study a success. A link to the survey is included below.

Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=P6r2MmP9rbFMuDigYielAQ_3d_3d

Thanks and best regards, Mike Lyons lyonspen | (talk) 20:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

J.Hemy

Australia is a young country and it's settling was fraught with difficulty due to the harshness of the environment and it's historical connections to Britain. I have a concern that J. Hemy was one of our earliest artists but unless there is some site where people can list information about this artist it will be lost. The NSW Government State Library is one of the 3 most important libraries in Australia, where one of Hemy's work is to be found. So, yes I think the information and listing has merit. Browse Taylor (talk) 07:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: George Li

Hello ChildofMidnight, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of George Li - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of notability, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Closedmouth (talk) 12:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you think is notable about this 14 year old? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't personally think that the article would survive an AFD, but it does make several claims that he's won awards and been on television and such. Whether or not these claims allow him to pass WP:N is another matter. --Closedmouth (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I fear it might survive an AfD. That's why we needed to destroy it before it could take root. :) Be bold young man! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

For A7 to be a valid criterion for speedy deletion, the must not be any claim of notability. If there's a claim of notability, even if it's not sufficient notability to survive AfD, then we can not delete on ground of A7. You could try prodding it. LadyofShalott 17:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there's a legitimate claim of notability, but as it was saved by a do-gooder admin I'm disengaging. I trust that you and Closedmouth will fix up the article or dispose of it appropriately. I can think of more productive ways to spend time on here, but if you want Wikipedia to be hosting site for the promotion of child musicians, don't let me stand in your way. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The Mugger

FYI, Evan Hunter and Ed McBain are the same person. 209.247.22.164 (talk) 13:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The book's article gives one author name and the movie article gives a different name for the author. This is very confusing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Confusion on Wikipedia? ... I don't see how that could be. </sarcasm> ;P — Ched :  ?  17:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

User:ChildofMidnight/Exploding chicken

I restored the most recent version (sans the AfD notice) of the page. Let me know if we need to restore all versions to preserve history. If so, I will do that tonight. If you need more info you might try WP:REFUND to see if anyone still hangs out there. This is a page that seems to have more history than other "deleted pages" I've had a chance to look at so far, so it's very possible that I should have restored "all" the versions - I'll check into that part of it, now that I'm thinking about it a bit more.

I just looked briefly at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of terms for gay in different languages and on initial glance it does appear to be a candidate for WP:DRV. I'm not familiar with User:Angr, but perhaps if you dropped him/her a note at User talk:Angr they might be able to give an explanation of their reasoning. Note: I only skimmed the AfD, and consensus is not decided solely on the number of votes, but also on the reasoning behind the votes as well - so there could very easily be something I'm missing on "gay terms in different languages" article. I assume that it was not an "attack" page?

Anyway, it's looking like another long day of "Ched you need to come fix my computer NOW!" day, but I'll follow up on this when I have the time (this evening I hope).

Side note: I found a great link on the "Sexuality and food" thing - I thought it was great, but not really anything in the link that would help build the article - just an enjoyable viewing: this link (well, depending on your point of view on the whole subject I guess). Thought you might get a kick out of it - too bad the pics aren't free-use huh? ... lol.

• One note that's entirely WP:OR: A warm bowl of water and a wash cloth can come in handy after the fact when indulging in the whipped cream/chocolate sauce areas. When accompanied with a warm towel straight from the dryer, it can be much appreciated in removing the sticky aftermath. (some may consider me to be an old man now - but I wasn't always!) :-) — Ched :  ?  14:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hang on a second - I'm gonna delete, restore the article - then move to your user space. That way all the history and attributions that should accompany the article won't be lost ... be back in a couple minutes. — Ched :  ?  17:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Okie Dokie ... should be good to go now. I didn't leave behind a redirect, so once you've fixed 'er up, you should be able to move back to article space. If for some reason you'd have a problem getting it back to where it was, drop me a note, and I'll try to help. Best of luck with the article. <* Ched thinks that if CoM is as good at making the actual food as he is at making the articles, CoMs house would be the place to have a great meal! ;) *> ... although I prefer my chicken NOT explode while I'm eating it ... LOL. ;) — Ched :  ?  17:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I was surfing by and saw this project. Not sure if it's notable enough for you, but here in Canada a long-running comedy/satire show called the Royal Canadian Air Farce had a recurring bit where they would fire the "chicken cannon" at various public figures (a list of past targets). It's more of a chicken projectile than an exploding chicken, but maybe it has a place. Take Care! Quietmarc (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Cool. I'm adding it. I'm not quite sure yet what to do with the content of that article. But I'm sure it will all become clear soon! ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Operation Noah's Ark (1943)

Note your suggestion about merging this. Not opposed. There's several small articles about SOE ops, but where to merge them is the question. The main SOE article is very general, it only refers to a minority of named operations. It would become far too large, in time, so regional summaries might be better, with separate articles where there's sufficient significance or info. This list is a partial list that needs attention. Folks at 137 (talk) 17:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. It seems like the contents of the article could be merged to the list. As it was just a plan there doesn't seem to be a lot of notability, but maybe a stub on each operation is okay. I think it's just a matter of how best to include them, since I don't think they are worth including. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ebelskivers

Have you ever tried this one? I saw a clip in which some food critic praises the dish, and they look quite yummy. You seem to be somewhat connected to Scandinavian culture (or Biking? :D), so I'm just asking. --Caspian blue 18:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S It is interesting that many people in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan state (cold regions in the U.S) are descendant of Scandinavians and retain their culture.--Caspian blue 18:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever had them. But I've seen them. Danish donuts made in a special pan, often served with fruit jam and powdered sugar I think. They look quite tasty. Thank you for reminding me of donuts. There's a new shop around the corner I have to test. :) You said or "Biking" but did you mean Viking? I prefer the NY Jets. And I like biking and Vikings. I was reading the Northlanders comic for a while. It seems good so far. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course, "B"iking (not to be confused with Bking from Berger King) is a typical typo done by me, non-native English speaker. :) Sometimes, I cause a confusion to people when I totally forget to address the adverb "not" which should have been in my opinions to make a sense. Ahmm. as for the Danish donuts, I was actually browsing info on how to get the special pan for making the food. I have no way of accessing the donuts. Oh, I don't like American football (that looks pretty violent to a person who wishes to live peacefully :)), so I have no special preference over any team.--Caspian blue 18:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Your mission, should you choose to accept it

ChildofMidnight, could you take care of this photo request? Badagnani (talk) 02:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I would like to. But I don't really get out and about all that much and I haven't been to that area. But I appreciate being thought of and if something comes up that I'm out wherever that is I will definitely try. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in

Thank you for getting involved in the Ancient Egypt race article. Do you know where I can go to challenge the bogus banning that I and others experienced? AncientObserver (talk) 17:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by banning? I suggest treading lightly. Although I reverted, reverting back and forth will not end well. Do as I say not as I do :) I don't see any consensus for the article being solely about afrocentric considerations (and strong support and a title for broader scope), but some of the other concerns expressed may be legitimate. I'm not sure why the dispute is so knotty. Hopefully some reasonable compromises can be worked out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I and 3 other users were banned from the article for 6 months for "a pattern of POV-pushing fringe theories". You can view the details here. Someone has already reverted your edits, not surprisingly. As you can see on the Arbcom page we have been trying to fight this but if the Admins are the ones we are fighting against I don't know what else we can do. AncientObserver (talk) 18:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I just read the ANI discussion. It's disturbing. I found a pattern of abuse and aggressive intimidation and POV pushing from those trying to slant the article and gut it from a more extensive discussion of the issues involved. This contrasts with the efforts at discussion I've seen on the talk page from you and others. But I don't see what can be done about it. I have no idea why anyone with the slightest bit of academic integrity would try to gut the article and make it appear that the issue is solely a afrocentrism based controversy, but it is what it is. I don't see how you can overcome the very powerful admins involved. Sorry. You see that they're going after me now also. Maybe you can work on other subjects that interest you? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Steak Sandwich Transclusion

The tags you asked about handle how the Transclusion works: WP:Transclusion#Transclusion_markup. BillyTFried (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's wait and see, since I believe the main reason for opposition to a merge was because the individual pages would disappear, but with this solution they remain as they are. Hence it's not really a true "Merge" at all. BillyTFried (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Caution

Please be aware that Ancient Egyptian race controversy is under arbcomm probation, as per the notice at the top of Talk:Ancient Egyptian race controversy William M. Connolley (talk) 21:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

CoM, please be aware that some editor who was blocked in the past for abusive sockpuppetry is accusing you of some sock, and WMC is agreeing with so and even encourage the former to file a RFCU against you. [1] You really should file an ArbCom on WMC if you want to fix this ridiculous thing happening.--Caspian blue 22:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

CoM, he appears to be trying to be your fried (with a little unusual way). Let him give a chance at least once.--Caspian blue 01:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

His comments (we're not talking about WMC) on my talk page and now in the ANI thread are wholly unhelpful. I'm not here to social network. If he would be so kind as to unwatch my page and to disengage from discussions and issues that involve me I would really apprecaite it. If he fails to do so despite my numerous requests then it's clear he's merely harassing, trolling and looking for trouble. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, lutefisk and his defending from the absurd sock accusation are gestures to become your friend. Of course, you and he have unfinished stories on US politics articles, and sometimes, his comments are off topic. Yes, I've been annoyed by his comments at ANi, but he is not a harasser nor a troll. He has just a different way of communication with people who have different views.--Caspian blue 01:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Casp, there are plenty of articles and editors on Wikipedia. I don't know how much clearer I can make myself. I'm not interested in that editor's commentary and they need to find other places to banter (as they've been asked and instructed to do repeatedly by me and others). Consistently commenting in discussions where I'm involved amounts to stalking and harassment. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey ChildofMidnight. I appreciate your comments. I know they will be added in the future. They are on the rise and their message couldn't be more deserving of coverage. In this World which is missing many things positive and uplifting ThreePeace is a throwback to a more pure age. Not afraid to speak their minds and also having a message of peace with the music. The Music is great and the message so I will definately be keeping it and adding on when I get the nugget that will make it "notable". Not sure that is really clear through all the discussions, yet, this has only fueled my dedication to it. If is removed I will submit it to the ThreePeace newsgroups on MySpace, Twitter, and their own website and see if I can't get a few more ThreePeace fans on the cause. We will see and thanks for your suggestions.Riddiman (talk) 01:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppets

Re, your message, I don't know if I'm good at giving tips, past experience says I'm not, but I'll try. Usually just poke through their edits, compare the edits of the suspected sock with the master account on a single article they both edit, then file a report noting two edits from the accounts which look similar. If it isn't a clear-cut case, and the master has shown the ability to evade blocks before, a checkuser might be appropriate, if, for anything else, to see if rangeblocks are possible.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 04:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Wiel Arets

Hi. I'm not sure how this talk thing works - as I'm new to editing wiki pages.

the information i changed was justified. i actually built this article myself (the original;as it did not exist before). i'm very familiar with Wiel's work. and i'm an architect - and realise that images are VERY important. but no architect wants BAD images on their wiki page.

there are much better images (copyright free) that i have found on flickr... an i'm in the process of uploading them.

the library is a notable building (but it seems a link to the university (where it's located) would be helpful for people unfamiliar with utrecht. i will begin starting an article on it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArchitectinNY (talk • contribs) 10:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Obama articles arbcom case

I've requested an amendment to the Obama ArbCom case to examine and remove several of the findings of fact and remedies passed by the Committee. Your comments would be appreciated here. Thank you. Sceptre ^(talk) 13:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Question on edit

? Drmies (talk) 17:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

As it's at AfD I didn't think removing sources was appropriate. As far as the content goes, I didn't see any problem with including note of the reports on people's shock. But as I said, if there's more relevant or encyclopedic content from thsoe stories I'm okay with it being altered. How have you been? I saw a write up on Ono Island, Alabama. It's a bit elitist, but how about Orange Beach, Alabama? How far are you from the coast? I'm thinking of moving in the next couple of months. Is it nice down there? I'd like somewhere with trails, beaches, or state parks close by. And a nice walkable downtown. Let me know what you've got. Maybe I'll crash at your guest house for a while. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha, you're OK with it? That is SO generous of you. Reinstate them with the proper appropriate, encyclopedic content! But that's too much to ask of you, someone who refers to valuable contributors as monkeys with typewriters. Hey, I'll have you know that, unlike some other people here, my computer was built in this century. As for Ono Island, I had to pull out--all this reforestation is not good for Alabama business. We need pine, cheap monoculture, not fancy "exotic" nonsense. But they'd welcome you with open arms, no doubt, since, as I understand, they detest punctuation there. Drmies (talk) 17:42, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Orange Beach is nice--though you'd want to stay away during Spring Break. Well, I would, but then I'm just a monkey with a typewriter. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm with the doc on this one, Wikipedia doesn't report on how people were feeling, we encyclopedize (if that isn't a word yet, patent pending), on what happened. Although it may be appropriate to not remove while the AfD is running. I have similar issues with Murder of Amy Leigh Barnes, is it really important that her ex-boyfriend paid his respects at the funeral, probably not. CoM, you weren't going to move to Fiji? You should try Nevada, no state income tax, highest foreclosure rate in the country (the asking price for the house we just moved from went down $75,000 since we moved out, which is not a reflection of how we left it), we even have a Republican Governor (for now), although we also have Harry Reid. :/ --kelapstick (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Well well well. It's nice to see that certain species stick together. I just lost my hilarious response to Doc's post in some sort of computer glitch that is probably related to the edit conflict you seem to have caused. Is Doc going to tell me if moving to Orange Beach is a good idea? Do you think it's nicer up where the plantations are in his area? I'm just a humble person, so I don't need anything fancy. Just some nice trails and a town where I can get my groceries and walk around. Vietnam, not Fiji. See banh mi and pho for more information. When I searched for Ono Island Alabama I came up with something in the South Pacific... A sign? I considered Reno for a while. They have an up and coming downtown. Buffets. Mountain biking, trails, hiking, a river through town it looked like. A nice Uni. But it gets cold there. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, this is the real America. We don't walk around here. Drmies (talk) 20:56, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

• I hear you can get Mercedes cheap down there right off the production line! Should I go with white or tope? Where does the Lady of Shallots live? Do you think she'd want to show me around? K-stick is giving me the hard sell on Reno, but one of my X-girlfriends lives up that way. And we'll need much of that region for nuclear waste storage. Who wants to have to wear a jacket all the time? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Yucca Mountain = Las Vegas (or fake Nevada as we like to call it). --kelapstick (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The Truckee River is pretty cool, they have a big kayaking thing every year, I haven't been. There is also a Minor League Baseball team (I am heading to a game on Saturday), and the University is nice, I have spent a bit of time there. Don't discount Reno-Tahoe International Airport (which gets its name from the International House of Pancakes I suspect since there are no international flights out...) Cold? Well colder than Southern California yes, but I only wore a light jacket this winter, mainly because I kept my keys in it. Good skiing too...Actually Sparks is nicer than Reno, with a conveniently located In-N-Out Burger.--kelapstick (talk) 18:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Harry Reid was certainly right about the war in Iraq. We lost that thing a long time ago. By the way, I'm on a string of bad luck with my comments. Not only is Doc unappreciative, but my harmless comment about regime change and the axis of evil to another editor was removed as "trolling". And did you guys know that interest in who the Egyptians were started with the Afrocentric movement in the 1960s and that the notion that the Egyptians may have been black is fringe on Wikipedia? Yup. No one had ever considered, discussed or debated who the Egyptians were before the civil rights movement. And apparently there is no way they were black. Not possible. Not sure why, but that's what I'm told. Crazy things you learn here on Wikipedia I tell you! And Doc, we Americans are not always shocked when the neighbors go on a killing spree. With some of the neighbors I've had I frequently expect that kind of thing and am shocked when nothing horrible happens. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Iceland-South Korea relations

I have added some content here - more than enough to establish a deep and entirely notable relationship in my opinion. But being a modest and retiring sort of editor, I will let you take full credit when you post the article to mainspace. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Chile is notable only for Bernardo O'Higgins, copper, red wine and braised Patagonian lamb. Uruguay is notable for so much more. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

But it's true! That is what they call it. Although maybe the article has been infected by others in the CoM space. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

• I wanted photos of real warriors with horns on their heads but Wikimedia would not oblige. In my view, the article now gives in-depth coverage of all essential aspects of the relationship backed up by solid sources, and cannot be improved. Feel free to edit, but the last word must stay the same of course. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Taxation is the last thing anyone wants to hear about. If you check the Gylfason reference and search for "Korea", you will find the full quote: "By 1985, leaving Africa behind, Iceland had become South Korea." This is a profound observation. Remember, our audience is the high school student working on an assignment. Our duty is to present the essential aspects of this important subject in a neutral and unbiased but verifiable form, without irrelevant trivia. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Your action was quite unexpected. I am flummoxed. Where will it all lead to in the end? Confusion, conflict and botheration is my opinion. I will make sure to observe this article very closely indeed. I do not want any trouble that can be avoided. What a pickle. And I like both herring and cabbage variety. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. I wasn't taking it seriously at all - just seeing it as pure parody of a desperate recovery attempt. If it stays in main space, I suppose it should be fixed up. That could be done but would make it a lot duller. Could be saved - they all can. But taxation treaties etc. would have to go back in, and some of the comparisons would have to be dropped. Fish would have to go, although I would miss Spaghetti with Smoked Salmon. Peik’ŏn has to stay, but might need some padding. I don't know. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Sanitized the article. But my heart was not in it. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Yeah - very boring. No noodle-loving vikings sailing across the steppes of central Asia in search of pickles and electric guitars. Just unconvincing arguments about whale meat. But the good version would have quickly been put to death. Maybe should have left it user space. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

AfDs

If anyone enjoys doing AfDs, I think Assaultshirts and George Li warrant them. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You talkin' to me? Bongomatic 01:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I was just going to comment that I don't see you around much these days. And Warrington hasn't popped in at all. And I think Trusilver may have made it out into the light. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Been pretty jammed off-encyclopedia—may get back to normal soon. Bongomatic 01:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't do it! Don't let yourself get sucked back in... But as long as you're here, I think this should be deleted also California Naturopathic Doctors Association. They always reject my speedies so there you go. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Double loop marketing needs a prod or AfD me thinks. But maybe someone else thinks this marketing-speak is notable? And the Stephen Gillett seems borderline, but maybe there are other sources... And then there's Doll & The Kicks, which needs sources or to go. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Cleaning up List of topics related to Black and African people

We're cleaning this up.

What else needs to be done to it?

Please answer at Talk:List of topics related to Black and African people#Clean up.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    23:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

About Coeratadas

No, never heard of him, but he sounds very interesting! Thanks for bringing this obscure article to light (it's a stub that certainly needs attention). I'll look into it.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 03:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Yet another interesting character! I added banners to his talk page as well.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 04:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! I might be able to contribute a little, but unfortunately I can't read anything in Greek! So I'll have to use English sources, naturally. I do, however, have access to JSTOR, which can be a huge help sometimes in mustering appropriate scholarly sources that can be trusted.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 05:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Veraval Turk Jamaat

I am sorry, I have no idea about the facts mentioned... :( Paalappoo (talk) 07:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Person eating bacon. Enjoy.

Law _{type! snype?} 08:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

HA That's awesome.--kelapstick (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Are we sure this doesn't have something to with new math or fractional coloring? Food and sexuality? Hieroglyphics? Ancient Greek? Who wasn't laughing when low profile Law was involved in some excitement over a high profile block? Great stuff! :) I like the bacon part, but the guy seems bottom heavy... ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

LMAO ... priceless! I'm not sure, it could be a view from behind of a man bent over, but, since I don't see any Plumber's Crack, I'll assume that it is a "head and shoulders" image. (Ched watches to see if CoM heads to "personal grooming" articles to edit). New Math? ... please ... NOOOO! Law blocked someone? ... <* Ched whistles innocently on the way out *> — Ched :  ?  21:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocks and bacon. Both of which I've utilized quite efficiently, however not without incident. I think this emoticon, (Ω≈) "is to be puzzled over and studied and followed... forever." Law _{type! snype?} 22:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that is amazing! Drmies (talk) 04:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Paul David Wilson

When you get a few minutes (it will take more than a few) can you look at Paul David Wilson (the article not the person, well the person too if you are up to it), it is rather résuméish, (see the first line ("Paul David Wilson (born August 30, 1952) has, throughout his colorful and multi faceted life, proven himself to be exceptionally gifted as a songwriter, composer, conductor, producer, executive and human being.") and while I see some notability, it is probably longer than an article about him should be, or at least too promotional. It just got moved into mainspace after sitting in userspace for a while following a keep close at MfD. Anyway another twist to the story is there is a main editor of the article, User:Pauldavidwilson who is (I am willing to step out on a limb here without a checkuser) also know as User:Paul David Wilson. The second was mainly used as the userspace used to house the article before it's move, however I think he is only using the first user name for editing now. I notified him breifly about WP:COI, and there had been some notice at User talk:Paul David Wilson, not sure if he is taking heed or not though. Anyway I am busy this weekend with my son's birthday (and I don't do much editing on weekends anyway), and am off to Denver (actually Golden) on Monday for a week, maybe two, unlikely three, so I won't get a chance to do much editing methinks (although I may be around in the evenings depending on what is going around the hotel, I suspect nothing). Anyway can you take a look at it and see what you can improve? Cheers, and have a great weekend. --kelapstick (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you need me to take care of the wife :) and kids while you're away? I'll take a look at the article. Have a good trip. Don't fall in any shafts. Did you see my user:ChildofMidnight/Bacon economy article? The days of drilling for oil may soon be over! But I haven't solved the need for nickel and copper... yet. What would we do without penny candy. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I did see your bacon economy quite intriguing. If you are by the house, the beer is in the garage. Should stop by for the BBQ this Sunday, the boy turns two. No underground for me this week, it is all on paper (or computer), sitting in a consultant's office, slightly more hazardous than here, in that by the end of the week I may want to shoot myself...Funny you mention that about oil, I got an email from a friend today asking me about this forward he received that had a gross overstatement of the available oil in this area in Montan/North Dakota. They email was quoting something like 503 billion barrels available in the area, when the Proven reserves for the entire Unite States of the US is 21 billion, (at least from the agency they said they were quoting, which was not the USGS like this page is). Just goes to show, don't read everything you read on the internet. Wish me luck. Should be fun, if I have to go the following week I might check out a Rockies game. --kelapstick (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm ... word association time: WP:COI, WP:SPAM, WP:NOTMYSPACE - Wikibiz is over there >> and monster.com is << back that way. Doesn't appear to be deliberate attempt to do wrong though, perhaps a kindly worded message to the User talk:Paul David Wilson and User talk:Pauldavidwilson pages would be in order? — Ched :  ?  22:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, although I think PDW has enough notability to pass a deletion discussion, so I thought a paring down of the article would help. If you could pass on some "advice" with regards to your concerns Ched that would be appreciated, sometimes I don't quite put it right. Cheers all. --kelapstick (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm ... OK, I'll give it shot. Let me think a bit about how to word it nicely, and find the right section links - then I'll drop a note to him. — Ched :  ?  22:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thanks. --kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Candy

Hey CoM. I know this is going back quite a while, back to when we first met at Stick candy. I recently ate at Cracker Barrel, and grabbed some stick candy for my grandkids. Do you need me to take a pic of them next to a tape measure to verify the length and width? — Ched :  ?  22:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:OR. Ώ≈ --kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The latest battleground is Insadong. I love homemade photos of food products, as well as good faith OR. Let's see what you've get Ched. Make sure to focus. And get it close up. What flavors did they have?

The reason there were so many shaky cites put in that article was because I had this fear that drive by editors would add all sorts of flavors (the way architects are added to list of architects and groups are added to the space rock article) which is a pain to sort out as far as what's valid and what isn't. So I figured I'd cite it all since the wacky flavors are integral to the products unique character. Omega is not equal approximately equal to negative negative (postive?) Kelapstick? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Omega is approximately equal to (negative negative) kelapstick. Not equal is ≠. What was that about new math?--kelapstick (talk) 22:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Don't know where I got the "does not equal" from. Maybe I better leave the higher math to you know who... :) New math? You missed the whole (and I mean entire, not whole number) fractional coloring discussion? We can sort out how many socks it takes to disrupt Wikipedia. And allocate the appropriate number of POV pushers to keep notable controversies and criticisms out of the Obama articles. And it might also be useful in determining how many admins it takes to screw in a light bulb. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

yep, missed that discussion. How many admins. does it take to screw in a light-bulb. Oh good heavens, I'm afraid to even ask. I suppose before we do the math on it though - we'll need x¹⁰ number of admins to establish the proper policy first. >:) (oh, wait, that's me now too .... scratch that) — Ched :  ?  23:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Here are a couple of illustrations of coloring with fractions. A pair of dots joined with a line can't share any colors. Got it?

Hey, I know just the person I could ask to explain it to me ... Jedi master GTBacchus! Ched :  ?  00:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• GTB ... if you happen to read that ... I didn't say that! Honest! :-) — Ched :  ?  02:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I got as far as figuring out that you have to count how many different colors there are. And I think if they are half colors then you divide by two. It has something to do with allocating resources or colors on a map where you don't want the same color to be contiguous with another area of the same color. But I mostly don't understand it and it doesn't seem to have much to do with bacon. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Wait but there are only five colors in the 6/2 example? Uh oh. Or is one color red and one orange? That would make six. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Seriously though

CoM, I don't know how much you've been following along with the Civility Poll, but one thing that's been rolling around in my mind finally found its way to something I'm considering posting to the page. I asked how the question would be taken here, and I think it's an important question to ask in regards to civility. Certainly some may consider it a pointed question relating to the Butcher group incident, but actually it goes further into history than that. I ran across some AN/I threads long ago (in wiki-time) regarding an editor who was working on some 10-string guitar article. What people put up with amazed me, and when another expert received preferential treatment (in my opinion), I was left wondering why we should accept this in an "open community". I'm not trying to dwell on the past CoM, but I would like to find a way to avoid future injustices. Didn't know if you'd be interested in following along or not. (and I'll set up a shoot on the stick candy in the next day or two - cotton candy, cinnamon, bubble-gum, clove, and maybe root-beer were the flavors I think) — Ched :  ?  02:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I voted in the poll. Isn't that enough? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

CoM, I've never known you to simply do "enough". The day I see you stop going "full out", may be the day I need to call my CERT friends to bring up an AED. — Ched :  ?  03:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it something that in this day and age with all his nurses and doctors and drug dispensers, MJ didn't have an automated external defibrillator? Not just for himself, but all the staff and people around him. Such an easy and inexpensive lifesaver to have around. Should we start clearing out some essays and guidlines pages at MfD? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK Medal

How did you get it?174.3.103.39 (talk) 02:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I worked on a lot of new articles and someone gave it to me. Do you want one? I'm happy to help you work on some articles that would be suitable for DYKs. Do you have an account name? I have trouble keeping track of numbers with more than one digit. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks. I really appreciate it.Dave (talk) 04:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Fiep Westendorp

Ha, I'm sure you saw my edit summary. Sorry. Thanks anyway though! And thanks also for what you did on the talkpage there, the request for photos. Did you click the HEMA link? Yeah, she worked with a few other writers too, but the Schmidt-Westendorp collaboration is almost beyond iconic. I'm reading Pluk to Elisabeth, one chapter a night--she can't wait for us to get to the wolf, but we have a few weeks to go. (Recap: Pluk found a home, saved the cockroach Zaza from Mrs. Helderder's spray can, visited the Stampertjes and ate french fries in their apartment, went to the park with Aagje where she saved a squirrel, Duizeltje, and with his tow truck pulled the longest horse of the world out of a muddy canal. Oh, and he almost got kicked out of his new apartment in the Petteflet, but the Major prevented that. Such adventures!) Later, Drmies (talk) 04:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good story. Certainly consistent with the other fictional storytelling sources you like. My edit summary wasn't very good, but I was trying to suggest that the wording makes it seem that the person is notable for having collaborated with someone, rather than for the work produced in collaboration with someone. Perhaps it's too fine a point? Oh well. Have fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that was precisely the thing. But I appreciate the help! Ω≈

Proposed merges for Food and Drink

Based on your recent participation in several Food and Drink related merge discussion, I would like to point out several open discussions that might interest you:

• Proposed merge of Jumbals to Jumble (cookie). Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Kerala porotta and Malabari paratha. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Maple spice cake to Spice cake. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Patty melt to Cheeseburger. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Butterfly cake to Cupcake. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Majboos and Kabsa. Discuss here.

--Jeremy (blah blah) 05:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The Surreal Barnstar

		The Surreal Barnstar
		ChildofMidnight, you're hereby awarded the Surreal Barnstar for your delightful and innovative thinking when editing Iceland-South Korea relations. You have brought me really a big laughter with an amusement for your creativity. Even though that approach could be wrongly accused of a practice of original research by some, well, I appreciate your avant garde sprite to the community. Caspian blue 21:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez

I suggest you tread lightly at this under-Arbcom-probation article and read through the talk page archives and discussing changes before making any changes to the article. The content which you removed has a consensus to be where it is. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here} 22:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)