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Welcome to the Wikipedia

Here are some links I thought useful:

Feel free to contact me personally with any questions you might have. The Wikipedia:Village pump is also a good place to go for quick answers to general questions. You can sign your name by typing 4 tildes, like this: ~~~~.

Be Bold!

Sam [Spade] 14:26, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Salut!

cred ca sunt in general bune modificarile tale privind economia romaneasca, dar sa stii ca romania a atras in 2004 5.1 miliarde € investitii straine (vezi linkul: http://www.bloombiz.ro/articol_53478.html -"Ocupam locul doi in zona la investitii straine

07 Oct 2005, 02:50 Romania a atras, in 2004, investitii straine directe (ISD) de 5,1 miliarde dolari, ocupand locul al doilea, dupa Federatia Rusa, in regiunea Europei de Sud-Est si a statelor membre ale Comunitatii Statelor Independente (CSI), dar devansand noi membri ai Uniunii Europene, precum Ungaria si Cehia." ) Salut si numai bine!

Eastern Europe

I don't understand your Eastern European music changes. Aside from making music of Eastern Europe factually inaccurate, why would you make this change? It is perfectly logical to talk about a Eastern European musical tradition while separating out the southeast is strange and not very useful for the reader. Tuf-Kat 15:55, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Please discuss this change, or I will soon switch it back. Tuf-Kat 20:16, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Your reasoning sounds fine to me. Thanks -- it would be best if you added a description to Eastern European music and Southeastern European music, however, so that readers know why these divisions are made. If you haven't seen it yet, you may want to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject World music. BTW, do you have an opinion on the link to Roma music in the SoutheasternEuropeanmusic box (or any other box)? I am unsure about that one. Tuf-Kat 01:20, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with you that it should be removed. Roma music may be closely linked with Romanian music, but it doesn't need to be in the box -- very few non-countries are in any of the boxes (the exceptions include a few dependent territories, the diverse and distant Central Asian provinces of Russia and China, and Garifuna music, each of which have pretty clear and inarguable reasons for the exception). Roma music is also an integral part of the music of Spain, but they're not part of that box either. I suppose my opinion is that, if Roma music in Romania and elsewhere in the region is so important, someone will eventually write Roma music in southeastern Europe or something similar, and then maybe that could be in the box. Roma music is kind of a crappy article, but ideally it should spend most of its time going into the hundreds of years of Roma musical development and the numerous widely-varying styles, so following the link to that article from music of Albania, for example, won't be very informative. Indeed, there's only a couple sentences. Indeed, apart from a brief, vague paragraph each on Romania and Greece, there's nothing about southeast European music in Roma music. I'm going to boldly remove it from the box, and I suppose if someone is attached to it, we can always discuss further. Tuf-Kat 02:26, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

Your great European Union per capita GDP map

Thanks for the new graphic! It neatly illustrates the table it goes with.

I wanted to ask you whether you based the map on the numbers that were in the table just before you added it, since an IP had just twiddled the figures. [1] If you did use the bad average, you might want to check that the map is still accurate. If you didn't use those numbers, then I'll just say thanks again for the lovely graphic! — Saxifrage | ☎ 15:08, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

The $US 23,905 figure comes from averaging the data in the table, which came from the IMF's "per-capita GDP PPP" link cited at the bottom of the table. But since you're right about the difficulty in ensuring the accuracy of population counts, the difference between the two numbers, especially for the purpose of a graphic, are probably negligible. — Saxifrage | ☎ 08:43, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

That figure isn't an average of the GDP, it's an average of the IMF's official numbers for the per capita GDP. These numbers are already appropriately weighted because they are the GDP of each country divided by its population. — Saxifrage | ☎ 00:57, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Ah! Now I feel silly. I finally grasped your point when I read "its standard of living, if you like, has more statistical importance..." Feel free to change the total figure back to $24,817 and cite this converstation as consensus. And, of course, thanks again for the nifty map. — Saxifrage | ☎ 21:46, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Northern, Western, Central Europe, etc

Have been away — but I think others have expressed similar opinions as mine rather well, and probably better than I would have: Concepts that in fact are fuzzy in English shouldn't be redefined by Wikipedia to appear less so than they really are.
Ruhrjung 00:05, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Constantin Brâncuşi

Of the references you give, the first two are just mirrors of Wikipedia, and the third is from Romania, which still doesn't establish that this form of his name is used outside Romania.

Personally, I'm now equally comfortable with either form of his name, but until I learned Romanian I'd never seen it written as "Brâncuşi". Nor did I have any idea how it was correctly pronounced: I'd always heard it pronounced as an Italian would pronounce "Brancusi". And I'm from New York, not exactly a hick town. I'm willing to guess that outside of Romanian-speakers, that is almost universally how he is known. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:24, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

In any case, the article should be explicit that both spellings exist. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:35, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

Templates

Hi Ronline — what's with these templates that you've been creating? {{M2 link}}, {{M3 link}}, {{M4 link}} and {{M2 colour}}. Is something going to happen with them? What's the point in making a template that's just the Hex value of a colour? — Asbestos | Talk 12:32, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bucharest, Bulgaria

Buna seara Ronline - put it down to tiredness. I sorted about 4000 geostubs over the course of a month; there was bound to be the odd error. So far, two people have spotted mistakes. Still too many mistakes and no excuse, but 2 in 4000 isn't too bad! Maybe I should check to see whether there are any articles about Sofia in the Romanian-geo-stubs! :) My apologies! Grutness|^hello? 12:10, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I hope you enjoyed your time in NZ! As to remembering the geography of your part of the world, I have a friend who was born in Hungary, and he's drummed into me which capital is which in that area (until I met him I always used to get Budapest and Bucharest mixed up!). Grutness|^hello?

12:37, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Great

Great to see you've created Tigrul Celtic at wikipedia-ro! CGorman 15:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Timişoara

Bună Ronline! În primul rând mulţumesc pentru aprecierile legate de articolele despre iluzii optice. Informaţiile despre populaţia judeţului Timiş în general şi ale Timişorii în special sunt în conformitate cu datele furnizate de Institutul Naţional de Statistică - Direcţia Judeţeană de Statistică Timiş. Ele sunt menţionate şi în Pagini Aurii ediţia 2004-2005. Populaţia este mai mică, într-adevăr, decât cea din 2002, care la rândul ei e mai mică decât cea din 2004. Acest fapt se încadrează în tendinţa generală pe ţară de scădere uşoară a populaţiei (probabil datorită sporului natural negativ şi/sau emigrării). Bănuiesc că e bine să lăsăm în articolul despre Timişoara atât datele mai noi cât şi cele mai vechi pentru a se vedea tendinţa descendentă în populaţie şi densitate. Sper să mai colaborăm şi în continuare!

E OK că am scris în româneşte? Tavilis 14:17, 21 August 2005 (UTC)--[reply]

Võro

Hi Ronline, I have done at last some work we spoke about in Võro Wikipedia (templates etc). See Maailma maaq Eesti

Best regards Võrok

Vlachs of Serbia

You really do not need to tell me something about Romanians and Vlachs in Serbia, since I know about this issue much more than you. Your knowledge about nationality question in Serbia is obviously very poor and only sources you read about this are probably some Romanian nationalistic books. Here are some facts about Serbia:

In Serbia everybody is free to declare what ever nationality he choose in census (or not to declare anything if he want).
Vlachs in Timočka Krajina declare themselves in census as ethnic Vlachs and declare their language as Vlach language
Vlachs in Timočka Krajina do not consider themselves Romanians. They think about themselves to be a distinct nation, different from both, Serbs and Romanians
Serbia recognize them as such, since that is what they want

So, you actually accusing Serbia, because it recognizes one people who want to be recognized as such. This is ridiculous. If somebody do not declare himself as Romanian in census, he is not Romanian, end of story.

There are 2 things which can say who is a nation and who is not:

1.national consciousness
2.census results

Vlachs in Serbia do not have Romanian, but Vlach national consciousness and they do not declare themselves as Romanians, but as Vlachs. No matter how Vlachs of Serbia and Moldovans are culturally and linguistically similar to Romanians, they simply ARE NOT Romanians. They are not Romanians because of same reason why Austrians are not Germans or why Montenegrins are not Serbs or why Americans are not English, etc. I know that that Romanian nationalist propaganda claim that Moldovans and Vlachs of Serbia are Romanians, but that is only nationalistic POV, which have no connection with reality. The small nations like Vlachs of Serbia and Moldovans have right to exist no matter what Romanians think about this. User:PANONIAN

Just to answer some of your ridiculous statements from the article:

"Linguistically, the Serbian census provides an option for both Romanian and Vlach languages as mother tongues"

"for artificially-separating Romanians and Vlachs in the census, including through the proclamation of a distinct Vlach ethnicity and language"

Do you know how these two statements sound stupid and ridiculous? First of all, Serbian census DO NOT "provide options" and "separating peoples". Here are 3 simply questions from the Serbian census:

1. What is your nationality or ethnicity?
2. What is your mother tongue?
3. What is your religion?

You can answer here what ever you want, even that your nationality is Eskimo or Indian. First inform yourself about some things and then talk. Serbian statisticts only recognize what people declared in census by their free choice. Why Serbian statistics should possibly to count somebody who declared himself as Vlach together with somebody who declared himself as Romanian? User:PANONIAN

Another article connected with this information is Anti-Romanian discrimination, a disputed article. Olessi 18:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RfC against 86.105.71.34

Salut Ronline,

I'm putting together an RfC against anonymous user 86.105.71.34, who I think has engaged in several types of misconducts on Wikipedia, especially on Transylvania, Romania, Republic of Moldova, Romanian language. I'm writing to you because you attempted to solve one or more of those issues on the user's talk page. If you endorse this RfC, or have anything to add to the statement of dispute, please sign and share your comments at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/86.105.71.34. Thanks, IulianU 00:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ronline, I see you withdrew your support for this. Would you please take a look at Talk:Republic of Moldova? 86.105.71.34 was blocked and at least appears to have come back (editing from a variety of IP addresses and signing with a Romanian flag) and making some absolutely threatening remarks such as http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Republic_of_Moldova&diff=27287344&oldid=27270471. Unless you think this is a different person (in which case, please do weigh in and say so), this behavior is escalating, not scaling back. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also, could you weigh in at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/86.105.71.34#How_to_proceed? -- Jmabel | Talk 18:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/86.105.71.34#Response. Either he genuinely doesn't understand what is going on here, or he's gaming us, I'm not going to try to guess which. Since you are the one person involved who seems to feel you are on OK terms with him, I'd greatly appreciate if you could get hold of him and try to explain and see if he will engage in the dispute resolution process. I'd still like to see this turned around into him contributing positively, I think he probably has things to contribute, but I'll be damned if coddle bad behavior for the sake of the occasional useful contribution. Right now, a lot of people seem to be ready to take much harsher measures than I would, and (other than perhaps Mikkalai) I'm the main person he's attacked. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Salut

Salut Ronline, multumesc de mesajul tau, sa stii ca am luat in considerare ce mi-ai spus si voi tine cont in viitor. Despre telecomunicatii in Romania, am citit undeva ca la ora actuala sunt peste 12 milioane iar pana la sfarsitul anului peste 13 (este de luat in considerare noul brand Connex-Vodafone si avantul acestei companii). Te salut si numai bine Ronline!

Salut Ronline, am propus noi paragrafe pe pagina de discutii a Romaniei, in orice caz paragrafe care nu vor da nastere la discutii. Eu ma abtin de la orice comentarii si editari dupa ce am ramas destul de socat despre ce scrie Joe. Sper sa-si retraga acuzatiile nefondate. Oricum de aceea am propus niste subiecte care sper ca nu vor da nastere la interpretari. Sper sa cuplezi la idee si sa ma sprijini in masura in care ai timp. Te salut Ronline!

Salut Ronline, iti multumesc pentru mesajul tau, de aceea am si incercat sa raspund. Nu prea stiu de ce e toata chestia asta, sper ca Joe sa-si retraga acuzatiile nefondate. De exemplu a interpretat gresit ce am scris acolo la "made by myself Jmabel". Am vrut sa scriu ca e facuta de mine Jmabel! E ca si cum te adresezi lui Jmabel. Stiam ca va citi si mai mult ca sigur poate ca va da revert. M-am adresat lui in Discussion tocmai pt a nu da revert. Ei bine nu a dat revert, s-a abtinut dar s-a suparat. In nici un caz nu a iesit bine, ci exact pe dos, pentru ca el a interpretat anapoda. Daca e asa de intelegator nu vom avea probleme chiar sa colaboram daca vrea in viitor. Te salut Ronline!

Municipiul in Hungarian

Hi, we talked about "municipiul" in the Hungarian Wikipedia. The term for municipiul can be "megyei jogú város" or especially in Transylvania "municípium", which is a loan-word.
But in Hungarian we do not use it in the name of the towns, it is too formal so we think that it would be better to mention it in comments. -nagytibi ^{! ?} 21:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is OK just to list the Hungarian name of the city without "municípium". Just simple the name of the town nothing else. -nagytibi ^{! ?} 19:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lăutari

When you get a chance, could you take a look at Lupu's recent edits to Lăutari and his remarks on the talk page? This is a topic where, while not clueless, I am certainly not expert. I am suspicious of what seems to amount to a claim of "the Gypsies have no musical culture of their own", and his strident, argumentative tone on the talk page certainly does not increase my confidence that he actually knows his stuff. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:48, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lăutari is indeed an umbrella term for Romanian traditional musicians which play string instruments, it being a traditional term for a violonist and other string players. However, most lăutari today are Roma, and for that reason lăutar music has significant Romani influences. The reason is because of Roma peoples' affinity for music, which has resulted in many lăutar tarafs, such as Taraful Haiducilor, to be acclaimed worldwide. Indeed, many lăutari combine elements of Romanian and Roma music.

The taraf band which lăutari group in is today often synonomised with a "gypsy band" (i.e. Roma band), even though the original meaning is a band of traditional lăutari. The Romanian Explicative Dictionary DEX has a definition of lăutari. Personally, I'm not an expert on Romanian traditional customs (I come from the city :) so it would probably be better to ask someone else for a more expert opinion. In fact, I've placed the expert tag on the article. Ronline 04:35, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for having a look. Sounds like you and I are pretty much in the same boat on this. I was exactly once at a Romanian wedding traditional enough to have lăutari performing. I've seen Taraful Haiducilor twice: once in Barcelona in 1996 at a festival, where they totally blew away everything else on the bill, and once in Bucharest in 2002 at the Sala Palatului. I believe those are the only three times I've been in the presence of performers who can properly be called lăutari, as against just people performing traditional Romanian/Gypsy music. But I've been exposed to a lot of Gypsy music from a lot of parts of Europe, and there are certain aspects of the music of the lăutari that I would expect to be Rroma in origin rather than Romanian: certain aspects of violin technique, the very dissonant approach to the ţimbalum, etc. The one player of this music I've ever discussed this with, Constantin Pârvulescu of the Seattle-based Ensemble Sub Masă, considers what he plays to be Gypsy music, although he is an ethnic Romanian. In short, I'm not clueless, not expert, and I'm very suspicious of edits accompanied by vehement comments suggesting that the several other people who have, over time, built up an article are pig-ignorant.

Yes, the {{expert}} tag is a good idea there. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RfA for Halibutt

Salut! In case you are unaware, Halibutt is going through the administrator vote process. I believe that any input you could provide would be valued. La revedere! (the extent of my Romanian knowledge as per its article) :-P Olessi 19:33, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh God! You are so good!

Thank you Ronline. I agree with your last proposal to Moldovan language. Actually I've allready made the change. But the way you argument, the way you describe and the way you defend the truth is remarkable. It is so good to have an Administrator like you.

Thankx. I agree with you. If you can protect the page in this form it will be good. Am citit ce mi-ai scris. O sa avem succes bine inteles. Imi pare bine sa te cunosc.

De acord!

Eu spun să facă el editari prin Mikka! nu noi pentru ca suntem mai multi si avem si dreptatea de partea noastra. Plus nu avem de ce sa ne lasam la copilul acela.

Actually

He put the wrong tag on it on top of everything else he did. It was not for vandalism, it was for an edit war. 2 different things. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 10:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You may support the action Vandalism in Progress against Node ue

Oh Yes! Support now!

You may support the Vandalism in Progress against Node

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress/IP_Severe#November_2005

Maybe so will he will learn to cooperate first.

proposal

I would like to propose you as administrator in English Wikipedia. How can we do this if you agree?

-His idea is good I support you if you want to. Just let me know. Bonaparte talk & contribs

Bucharest

Salut, I have some photos of some tramways in Bucharest, which I made a year ago. They are with the tramway 32, an average looking one (not the fancy 42, but not the orther craps). I also have a photo of an dual way tramway, but I think everyone knows very well the state in which those trams are and I don't think its an apropriate looking one. I'll try to upload one of them as soon as possible, mabye I could send you the tree photos to decide which to use. -- Mihai 12:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've sent by mail the three photos i've got. I made them in succesion, so I also have slightly diferent angles of each of them if needed. If you think they are apropriate and can be useful, let me know and I'll upload (after the new installation has finished).-- Mihai 12:27, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've uploaded one picture of the tram, Image:Tramway_32_Buc.JPG. Feel free to use it. -Orioane 08:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

cool!

Vad ca esti si tu libertarian, asa ca si mine! Cand e vorba de impozit, sunt moderat, dar altfel, sunt libertarian! Unde traiesti? In Germania? --Anittas 05:02, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, am scris moderator in loc de moderat. In fine. Am crezut ca stai in Germania pentru ca am vazut ca vorbesti limba germana. De fapt, multi romani din Transilvania vorbesc germana. --Anittas 08:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ronline for Admin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ronline and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Ronline. You have been nominated to be Administrator for English Wikipedia. Bonaparte talk & contribs

Ronline you have to accept the nomination in order to add again the request for admin. Hai ca avem nevoie de tine! Bonaparte talk & contribs

Bucharest, again

Hi Joe! I've drawn up a list of stuff to do to Bucharest at Talk:Bucharest. Feel free to add anything there that you'd like to see in the article or that should be fixed up. Once again, thanks for everything you've done! Ronline 09:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, saw that, I think it's an excellent list, I'll keep helping out there, although about now I'm calling it a night (it's 01:15 here). -- Jmabel | Talk 09:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Email id

The reason behind me opposing is that an admin should be approachable by any user. Stuff which goes on here is logged, and thus there there are times which necessitates private communication. Also if you ever do block a user, s/he has the right to contact you via email. Hope this brief reply suffices. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Intrebari

1. De ce nu ai fost in Iasi? Iasul e considerat ca Vatra Romanesca; e Mecka romanilor. Toti ar trebui sa-l viziteze si sa-l admire! Nu te costa mult. Doar tre' sa iei trenul si atata! Ce scuza ai pentru nu a fi vizitat Iasul?

2. Tu esti impotriva unui unire intre Ro si Mo? Cum naiba? Atatia romani au varsat sange pentru Basarabia, iar acuma, voi oameni moderni, va plangeti ca Mo e saraca si ca ar costa prea mult. Nu! Asta e propaganda Bucurestiului. Nu conteaza cat ar costa!

PS: Majoritatea Bucurestenilor sunt niste escroci. Degeaba iti pierzi timpul cu articolul despre Bucuresti. Iar capitala Romaniei ar trebui sa fie Iasi. --Anittas 12:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Am trecut prin Oradea odata; nu a fost cine stie ce. Am fost in Arad de doua ori si am vazut orfani care vai de capul lor. Asa ca si in Bucuresti. Arad nu e oras prea mare, dar avea orfani care se drogau cu pungele alea...

Asa ceva nu gasesti in Moldova. Da, Bucurestiul este mare buric acuma, dupa ce a furat din toata tara ca sa se dezvolteze. Acuma nu le doare nici in --- de Moldova. Plus ca bucurestenii sunt oameni aroganti. Majoritatea din ei. Orasele din Transilvania sunt construite de Austrieni si ungari; si de romani. Iasul e cu totul romanesc. Braila a fost construita de turci, rusi si romani. Iasul numai si numai de romani! Bucurestiul a furat. Asta e. Stefan cel Mare a gresit cand a cucerit Bucurestiul si ia dat foc. Trebuia sa-i dea foc, iar dupa aceaia sa dea cu plugul prin sare, cum au facut romanii cu Carthage. :D --Anittas 12:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Este adevarat ca nordul Moldovei este cea mai saraca regiune din tara, dar totusi se mentine regiunea. Parcurile sunt ingrijite in judete iar copii de strada nu exista. Sunt cersatori si in unele locuri (Dorohoi, Saveni) strazile sunt ca vai de capul lor, iar unele grupuri de tigani o duc greu, dar nu avem copii de strada. In loc, avem caini de strada. Moldovenii sunt cei mai sufletisti. Ar sa se ridice si Moldova, fara ajutor de la Bucuresti. O firma din Austria investeste 600 milioane de Euro in judetul Suceava, iar Iasul se duce tot inaine. --Anittas 07:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

La tradatori nu am fost. In '90, majoritatea care au plecat in strainatate au fost Munteni si romani din Transilvania. Din 2000 incoace, au inceput si moldovenii sa plece. Si de ce nu? Daca mareata noastra de capitala nu ofera conditii de trai, omul pleaca. Da, stiu ca Bucuresti da bani, si de asta ei tot ne scot ochii: ca ne da, ca ne da. Nu conteaza. Mai mult au luat. As spune eu mai multe, dar deocamdata, ajunge.

Cateva linkuri:

) --Anittas 08:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: questions for admin

Ronline, question #6 is indeed serious business. If you are involved in a dispute at that article, and then you protect it, for whatever reason, people will think that you protected the version you like most. I think in that case you better ask a third party to protect it. I know that this is not what you meant, but nevertheless. So I guess you need to fix that as Alai said. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:14, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the speedy reply. Talk about fast service. :) I'm not completely reassured, though. The question posed by Node was, "As an admin, I'm assuming that you wouldn't use admin privileges in disputes you were actively involved in." Not, "should admin powers be used" (no-one says you can't ask (another) admin to look at a dispute you're involved in), but would you use admin powers in a dispute you were actively involved with. At the risk of coaching, model answer is "no, I absolutely would not!". Good luck arriving there or thereabouts. Alai 04:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Judgements about what's "vandalism" and what's "clearly" a 3RR violation may be less clear-cut than you think, or certainly, may not appear the same way to others. If it's really "simple vandalism", then it shouldn't need to be couched as a caveat to what you'd do in an "active dispute". If it's a revert war, and you're one of the people reverting "back", that's a clear conflict of interest. Did you read the policy links I pointed you do? Using admin powers as a party to a dispute is "blatantly and objectively against policy", regardless of your (presumably good) intentions in doing so. Alai 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, getting there! I still have the same concern about the 3RR, however. If you're one of the "re-reverters", or otherwise involved in the dispute at hand that gave rise to the reverting, much better, and a pretty well-established practice, to report the incident, and let a clearly uninvolved admin make the call. (Note I'm not suggesting that if you've ever edited an article, you can never touch it as an admin; that'd be silly.) I do appreciate your efforts at addressing these concerns, however. Alai 05:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. I hope I haven't seemed too nagging or over-picky about this; I want to again stress I'm not saying this on the basis of any bad impression I've had of you, far from it; I just don't want to set a bad precedent by endorsing (or even, failing to oppose) any inadvertent apparent weaking of the "Caeser's wife" policy on dispute-involved admins. Alai 05:25, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bucharest

I recorded and added the pronunciation you needed for the article on Bucharest. The article seems to be rapidly progressing toward getting the featured status. Good luck! --AdiJapan 10:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Iasi

Cool, mersi. Poti sa o adaugi; sau daca nu, am sa o adaug eu cand am timp, saptamana ce vine. Daca vizitezi Palatul, cred ca o sa-ti trebuiasca cel putin 12 ore ca sa vezi totul. Are cea mai mare colectie de arta din Romania si de multe ori este comparat cu Louvre - dar stil romanesc. In gradina botanica ti-ar lua cam cel putin 4 ore ca sa vezi totul (cea mai mare din tara - inainte a fost in Dobrogea de sud, dar Bulgarii ne-au halito aia); iar culburi si distractii sunt destule pentru ca sunt multi studenti. Ne mai auzim. Toate bune. --Anittas 10:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca_Botanical_Garden the first in Romania? Bonaparte talk & contribs

I don't know if it's the first, but I read that the one in Iasi is the biggest one; I also think it's the first one. You guys were under Hungarian rule when we planted our flowers in Iasi. ;) I know that Queen Marie built a huge botanic garden in Balchik, but now it's in Bulgaria. The Bulgarians, however, are cool about it. They've give us the credit for building it, etc. --Anittas 12:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the photo, Ron. You can also add it to the Romanian article, in the gallery section. See talk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Romania#Photos --Anittas 12:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Daco-Romanian

About your edit to the Aromanian language, have you read the talk page first? You may have missed this: Talk:Aromanian language#Daco-Romanian or Romanian?. Romanian dictionaries say that Aromanian is in fact a dialect of Romanian. I cannot say that I agree or disagree with this, but our articles must take into consideration both (all) viewpoints. Frankly, I don't have a solution. --AdiJapan 10:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sergiu Nicolaescu

Hi. I left a message on the Sergiu Nicolaescu talk page. Since you are a Romanian admin you might be interested. If not, sorry. - AdamSmithee 10:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Poza Bucuresti

Salut, Vezi ca acum cateva zile cineva (User:Mihaichirila) si-a bagat nasul prin articolul legat de Bucuresti si a schimbat 2 poze. Am pus inapoi pozele originale, dar cred ca merita sa te uiti un pic si peste pozele folosite de respectivul adica: Image:Buc2.jpg (Asta mi se pare OK) si Image:Buc1.jpg. E o mica problema, nu au Copyright momentan. --Orioane 10:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Prima poza este facuta din Piata Unirii la un moment dat cand nustiu ce festival era, si aia se voia o nava din Grecia Antica. Oricum, e haios contrastul, cu blocul ala din spate, care e Camera de Comert si Industrie a Romaniei. As fi vrut sa il intreb pe individ de unde are pozele ca sa le putem adauga un Copyright, dar vad ca nu prea are activitate. Despre arhitectura, am adaugat pe pagina de Talk de la Bucuresti un set de idei care mi-au venit si te las pe tine sa alegi care ti se par interesante si merita adaugate. Cam atat --Orioane 23:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bucharest

Ronline, actually I've only been to Bucharest once, but it was to live and work there for half a year. And I certainly plan to get back there. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Historical

Thanks for correcting "historical" into "historic" multiple times! I'm really used to writing "historical" even though, like "economical", it isn't really correct in all contexts. I've just become so used to it that I don't realise it when I'm writing... I should pay more attention, though :) It's strange, though, that even most dictionaries seem to regard the two as synonyms. Ronline: National Day of Romania 1 December 16 years of freedom and loving it! 09:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The difference is really subtle, too, and I've heard native speakers get it (what I would consider) wrong. I hope I won't be seen as condescending to spell it out, and I imagine you may have occasion to need to explain this one some time, yourself. "Historical" can often have the same sense as the Romanian fost/fostul, so "the historical Lipscani neighborhood" would suggest that it is no longer there or has been renamed, and "the historical telephone building" would be a slightly over-erudite way to say that it has now been turned to other uses (a less pretentious wording being "the former telephone building"). "Historical" can also mean "pertaining to history": "Taking an historical view…". Whereas "historic" means "having historical importance", so Lipscani is an historic neighborhood, not an historical one. -- Jmabel | Talk

You're a sysop!

Hi, Ronline, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop

Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp «Talk»=

Please also add your name to WP:LA =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC) [reply]

in sfarsit!

Esti tare Ronline. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 23:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander for Admin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Alexander_007 ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Alexander_007 . I've nominated User:Alexander_007 as admin. Let's vote for him! -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 14:02, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Our forum

Welcome to the Romanian Wikipedia notice board! This page is a portal for all Romanian-related topics and a place for Romanian editors to gather and socialize and debate. Discussions are encouraged, in both English and Romanian. Post any inquiry under their relevant cathegory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Romanian_Wikipedian%27s_notice_board

--Anittas 17:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Orioaneeee

Mersi mult, dar ca sa zic asa, m-ai luat pe nepregatite. :D. Tre s ama gandesc si sa ma ocup un pic de una alta ca sa am o candidatura serioasa, daca simt ca nu pot face fata, sper ca nu te vei supara daca voi refuza (in principiu as dori sa devin sysop, dar tre sa ma conving ca merit :D). In alta ordine de idei, vezi ca am adaugat niste chestii pe pagina de talk de la Bucuresti, si astept parerea ta. --Orioane 10:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sig

Hi! Firstly, congrats on becoming an admin. Secondly - just out of curiosity, might it be that your current sig is inspired by mine (or the one I had before this one)? ;) Not that I disapprove of it, I'm just curious. Cheers! ナイトスタリオン ✉ 19:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Limba Română-versiunea eng

Ronline, bună. Mergând la pagina cu limba româna(versiunea Engleză) mi-am dat seama că avea o hartă destul de suspectă şi incorectă cu graiurile româneşti. Am refăcut harta. Poţi s-o vezi aici http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Romania_Graiuri-mod2.jpg.

Spune-mi şi mie parerea ta.Constantzeanu 00:01, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Discutie in privat

Salut Ronline,

As vrea sa schimbam cateva mail-uri in privat. Unde iti pot scrie?

Numai bine, User:Dpotop

Vot impotriva lui Node

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Moldovan_language#Vote_for_limiting_user.27s_Node_ue_ability_to_edit_the_article_about_Moldovan_language -- Bonaparte talk 19:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Orioane's RfA

Salut Ronline! Mulţumesc mult pentru nominalizare, a trecut fără nici un vot negativ sau abţineri (spre bucuria mea) şi în total am adunat 28 de voturi. Sunt acum şi eu administrator, cu ajutorul tău nepreţuit. Până una alta, deoarece voi pleca acasă şi nu prea voi fi disponibil în următoarele săptămâni, îţi urez "Crăciun Fericit" şi "La Mulţi Ani!" şi ne vedem la anul, sper cu un articol despre Bucureşti cu o steluţă lângă ;). Mihai -^talk 21:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of 'liberal wikipedians' category

Hi. I saw you're (like me) listed in this category which is up for deletion. Hoped you'd like to vote in favor of keeping it... Thanks! Larix 02:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks! Larix 02:49, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mungiu-Pippidi

Hi. Just to let you know that there is now an article on Alina Mungiu-Pippidi, her Romanian Academic Society and The Evangelists. Ronline ✉ 07:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. In fact, I'd already watchlisted them avant la lettre. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Romania

Hello. I notice your using the Flag of Romania in your signature, which I drew. While I am glad of that, I just wish to ask you if the colors of the flag are accurate. If not, please tell me which colors are prescribed, by law. Thank you. Zach]] 07:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - I noticed the same, and was wondering how you do it! I've been trying to get File:Anglo-indian.jpg next to my name by default and I can't seem to manage it... any help? Deano 21:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much, and have a good Christmas! File:Anglo-indian.jpg Deano 10:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

About stable versions of articles

You argued very passionatly and convincingly against stable article versions in Wikipedia_talk:Stable_versions, but it seems you weren't really heard. I'd just like to say that I think you're fighting for an important cause, and strongly second what you said there. I hope this case gets major attention and a big public vote before we decide, and isn't passed and implemented without most users having heard about it before it is too late. Amaurea 22:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is nice to see the attention this is getting on the mailing list. Do you know if there is a way to reply to a message in the mailing list without breaking the tread structure if that message was sent before one joined the list? Do you think it would be possible to organize a visible vote about this somewhere (as visible as the fund drive would be nice)? Edit: I just simulated a vote by looking at the positions of the people on the mailing list, and its ~3 against ~7 there, so we're set to lose as it is now. The opposition seems to not understand that our readers are our editors, since they keep trying to make one version for readers, and one for editors. Amaurea 11:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've written a short piece arguing for the wiki nature of Wikipedia on my user page. I'm not a good writer, but perhaps something like that could be used in the debate. I'm afraid it might be to long and unstructured, though. Amaurea 18:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Culture of Romania

Salut,

Mersi de apreciere pentru articol. Problema este ca inca mai trebuie sa lucrez la el, la ultimele sectiuni in principal, si sa sistematizez notele si referintele. Acum sunt in vacanta, si ma voi reapuca de treaba la inceputul lui Ianuarie.

--Mihai -^talk 09:39, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

Hello. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed that one or more recent edit(s) you made did not have an edit summary. You can use the edit summary field to explain your reasoning for an edit, or to provide a description of what the edit changes. Summaries save time for other editors and reduce the chances that your edit will be misunderstood. For some edits, an adequate summary may be quite brief.

The edit summary field looks like this:

Edit summary (Briefly describe your changes)

Please provide an edit summary for every edit you make. With a Wikipedia account you can give yourself a reminder by setting Preferences → Editing → Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary (or the default undo summary), and then click the "Save" button. Thanks! JoaoRicardo^talk 00:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anittas

Anittas is now saying in so many words that "Romanian hegemonism is justified" in dealing with the article on the Republic of Moldova. Ronline, if none of the Romanians will face him down on this, he can basically claim to be speaking for the lot of you, and nothing I can say will make any difference. I think that what he is saying is appalling, but it is clear that he could not care less what I think. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:56, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's right. Romania should influence R. of Moldova and even encourage them to reunite with us. What's your problem? It's our right. --Anittas 02:28, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Anittas. We have our interests. Romanian one. Bonaparte talk 11:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar :) I too think there should be more of these categories, not less. With that idea in mind, I created the category:humanist wikipedians a few days ago. I read the stable articles proposal and agree that it's not a good idea. I commented on the proposal's talk page, and will follow the rest of the discussion. Thanks for telling me about it!Larix 14:59, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

La mai mare Ronline :) !

La Multi Ani! ;) Bonaparte talk 11:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Khotyn

FYI, you should not edit Khotyn while it is protected. If it is no longer protected, then please remove the message, otherwise it would be appropirate to revert yourself. -- Chris 73 | Talk 08:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with unprotection, but next time first unprotect and then edit (I assume you missed the statement) Happy editing -- Chris 73 | Talk 08:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Political/religious categories and userboxes.... again

Hi Ronline! Sorry to disturb you again about this. But the debate wether those categories are factionalizing or not seems to go on and on, on several places. I'm hoping to find everyone who has a positive view about those categories and userboxes. But I'm reluctant to start talking to many users all at once, because of the charges I was faced with the last time. Would you be interested in helping me? Because I think it's easier when there are several people "canvassing". I've made a template users can put on their user page if they support our view; hope you like it... {{User freedom}} Hope to hear from you; afterwards, I'll contact the others who showed some enthousiasm when helping me. Regards, Larix 16:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks! That will surely help a lot :) I think a good way to start is monitoring templates for deletion and categories for deletion, since that's the place where the userboxes and user categories are nominated. When people seem to support our point, we can offer them the user freedom template (unless the offer is allready on their user page). Then it will be easy to find them. BTW, I still have to ask the others from the category:wikipedians by politics debate. We could ask the people listed in category:wikipedians by religion as well. But first tell me what you think of this strategy, and perhaps wether you have other ideas. Thanks again for helping! Larix 13:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is a debate about making a policy about this: Wikipedia:Proposed_policy_on_userboxes Larix 09:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bucharest

Sorry you didn't get FA :( I didn't realise it was up otherwise I would have voted support. Let me know next time you put it up. - FrancisTyers 22:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ombudsman

Ombudsmen have proven their worth in real life, and I think they sound like a good idea here too. I am a bit unsure about having only 1 of them, though. It might suffice now, but Wikipedia will become too big for that eventually if the current growth continues. But then, the rules could be changed if that happenes. The structure of the article looks nice and clean, and I can't think of anything to be added. Amaurea 09:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

24.251.68.75 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) -- Bonaparte talk 13:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mikkalai

I looked at the reverts Mikka did on Anti-Romanian discrimination, they seem to me to be honest reverts of persistent POV vandalism by an anonymous editor. Was it your call? If so could I urge you to look again, please? - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 21:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wise words

Very wise words at Wikipedia:Romanian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Apel. I think I'm staying out of that discussion, given that it seems to be an "inside" conversation among Romanians. But I certainly agree that positive contributions rather than crude propaganda are how Romania and Romanians are liable to gain respect. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:57, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joe! Thanks for your comments! Hopefully the current state of crisis that the Romanian Wikipedia community finds itself in can be overcome. Maybe something like a group mediation session would be good.

Ronline ✉ 07:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever considered doing a meetup there? I realize that you folks are pretty geographically scattered, but I also gather that more than a few of you are in Bucharest (and I imagine that would be "striking distance" for many of the others if someone is in a position to offer crash space: I gather that a lot of the contributors are young enough that even a floor to camp on would probably be fine). Certain things are a lot better talked out face to face. Even without comparable issues, we are on the verge of doing our third face-to-face in Seattle, and the first two were very productive. Best of luck, in any case. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most of us are not in Romania Joe! So, is much easier direct on-line here by internet :) -- Bonaparte talk 21:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Noticeboard

Salut Ronline,

How is your new year so far?

What I would like to discuss is the Romanian noticeboard. As mentioned by both Izehar and Mikkalai on User talk:Mikkalai, it has become a den of hatred, where trolls can let their hate flow freely from their fingertips.

The content there is very much nationalistic, encouraging people to participate in revert wars, and the like. If you will check other nations' noticeboards (UK, Canada, Hong Kong, France are some good examples), you will notice that they have nothing like that there. Their noticeboards are almost exclusively "Hey guys, I started this project..." or "Hey guys, I found this stub...", and never "Hey guys, come help me revert the vandalism of the Russian vandals..."

The reason I brought it up here is because I think that you should be able to control it, somehow. Given that much of the posts to the noticeboard are actually against policy, they should be either condemned or removed. Hopefully, in the future, it will become a constructive area for Romanians to discuss issues rather than unleash hatred.

...because currently, it paints a very unimpressive picture of Romanians, which I know is not accurate. --Node 01:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neither Mikka, nor you, understand Romanian. You are bluffing. I don't see where we violate the policy. We speak our mind, that's all. Don't like it? Tough deal. --Anittas 03:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Romania/New_article_announcements

Salut Ronline :) Do you know about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Romania/New_article_announcements

Bonaparte talk 07:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pagini problema http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Demographics_of_Ukraine&diff=33476808&oldid=33476572 -- Bonaparte talk 08:05, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User categories about beliefs to be prohibited

Hi, there is a vote going on about wether it should be allowed to list yourself in a POV category. It's basically the same question as when they wanted to delete 'wikipedians by politics' but now they want to make it policy. this is the link: Wikipedia:Proposed_policy_on_userboxes#Comments_and_Voting Please vote! Larix 20:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it became a very confusing page as the deletionists started one proposal after the other and then merged them without consulting the people that had voted. When asked about it they would give ignorant & arrogant responses. The page has therefore been recreated by another user. There is no proposal to vote for or against anymore, there is just discussion. I'm going to monitor the page to defend both user categories and userboxes. I could use every support. :) Larix 09:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Smart adminship

I already had a chance to remark that I consider your shameless promotion of Romanian nationalism disgusting. The coverage of Romanian topics in this project is scarce, especially compared to the Russian and Polish segments. Instead of improving the standard of that coverage and keeping your pet nationalist trolls at bay, you chose to scare from editing User:Mikkalai, who made more than 50,000 edits to this project but has a misfortune of not sharing your nationalist mythology. That block has been your greatest "contribution" to this project so far. If you envy the reputation of Herostratus, please change your name appropriately. Your low edit count allows you to do it at any time. --Ghirla | talk 23:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mikkalai has made more edits than all the Romanian editors taken together, and you know it. Your cronies have long tried to "neutralize" him, and you know this too. Your block of one of the greatest wikipedians while defending your own nation's anon trolls was clearly a backstab intended to scandalise the community. Since you were promoted less than a month ago and still don't know a difference between blocking and banning, you should have asked advise from some more experienced admins than yourself. Also, your rabid nationalist message on my talk page makes it clear that you were a party to the dispute and not neutral at all. Therefore, your actions in support of POV-pushing trolls who spread Romanian nationalist mythology across this project were a clear instance of admin privileges abuse. I will think how the community may best censure your disruptive actions, probably defrocking procedures against yourself would be the best option, and quite instructive for other nationalists too. --Ghirla | talk 21:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ronline, I would like to add to what I wrote at Mikka's talk, he later deleted it, and to what Ghirla wrote to you. I am prompted to speak at your talk by your response at Ghirla's.

Alex's ref about removing the POV tags was related not to your blocking of Mikka but to different reverts for which Ghirla was blocked himself. You can speak up, if you still think that removal of POV tag is vandalism as you have said, because restoring the tag was what Ghirla was blocked for.

As for your blocking Mikka, note that he was reverting the obvious anon trolls, which may or may not be Bonaparte's and Anittas' socks, which I don't care much. These trolls were reverting without explanations my edits to the disgusting Antiromanianism article, which I was trying to NPOV somewhat. Trolls (or troll) was simply reverting my every attempt to edit it with the sole purpose to provoke one of their "enemies" into a 3RR which the anon account immediately reported, which speaks, IMO, that this anon was some experienced wikipedia user. That the alternating Australian, Chinese and Taiwanese IPs where used, probably means that the user were using the open proxies. The subtle summaries used to undo my extensive and sensible edits such as "rv test" also speak about the anon's familiarity with wikipedia. When the troll reported Mikka, you were there to block him. Mikka did not overstep but underused his admin privileges. He should have just blocked the anon IPs and this would have been over.

The anons (or anon) where active at the 3RR board at the same time speaking about myself, Ghirla and Mikka. You can check the board history for that day. You may never apologize for your actions but this story can be easily checked and if you now feel like saying something to Mikka, better late than never. --Irpen 08:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Irpen. Thanks for contacting me. Firstly, I think you're making a bit of conspiracy of the whole case here. I don't know what you're trying to get at - either that I was the person who did the reverting and then logged in to block Mikka, or I was tipped off by one of the trolls as part of a conspiracy to block Mikka, I really don't know. But I assure you that nothing of the kind took place. The way I got to WP:ANI was by looking at Bonaparte and Anittas' contributions - which I often do, to check for any problems - and I got to WP:ANI/3RR's entry on Ghirlandajo and Anittas. And there, at the bottom of the page, was the entry on Mikka. And indeed, there was a 3RR breach.

As to the legality of blocking him under 3RR - Mikka had no right to block the "trolls". It was an edit war, and both Mikka and the "trolls" were equal players. That you personally think the article version that the "trolls" were reverting to is "disgusting" (the disgusting Antiromanianism article) is your personal opinion. I appreciate that you tried to NPOV it. However, Mikka should not have reverted that many times, since he knew about the 3RR. As to Ghirlandajo's block, if Ghirla was simply reverting the deletion of a disputed tag, he should not have been blocked. Finally, I'd like to tell all of you that this case has been blown out of proportion. Everyone is suspecting things, getting offended, etc. It shouldn't be that way, really. 3RR bans are for 24 hours, they're not a big deal and as I've always said, they're not a judgement call. I don't see why I should apologise to him. I'm someone who believes very much in checks and balances and despises abuses of power, as you can see at my talk page and my Wikipedia:Ombudsman proposal. So, I thought about the case before I blocked him. I don't see why I should apologise for fairly enforcing a Wikipedia policy. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 08:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not saying there was a conspiracy in which you were deliberately involved. I am saying that keeping pet trolls by established contributors is a bad practice. The anons were obviously sock accounts and 3RR, while an important policy isn't a holy cow. The policy used the word "discretion" for reason. And the reason is to remember some common sense too. The problem is not that this was Saint Mikkalai, but these were socks using anon proxies. That you were dealing with Mikka should have prompted you to look at the matter. That you didn't was probably because you were not that unbiased yourself.

I was amazed that neither you nor Bogdan acted when the new cycle of trolling by Anitas and Bonaparte started. And it took me to email Jmabel to have something done to stop the Romanian board from being a place of disgusting talk, while you were just looking at that. I firmly beleive that trolls put shame on the entire community and their compatriots should curb them before they stain the reputation of the entire side of the topical disputes. I told so to the Polish editors about their certain compatriots. A Ukrainian community was the one who finally stopped AndriyK, btw.

When those guys continue that, it should have been you and Bogdan, not Mikka, Ghirla and myself who would deal with them first. Re your "Mikka should not have reverted that many times", yes, he should have just blocked the IP's. Look at the edits of December 31 (and this is repeating this very minute with at this very article btw). I am amazed that you feel self-righteous here. Mikka is not the holy cow, but throwing a block at him, should have been taken seriously. I hope he will change his mind about leaving despite your lack of apology. --Irpen 09:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and you are welcome to tell Ghirla and to the admin who blocked him that restoration of the tag isn't a 3RR. --Irpen 09:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that I was dealing with Mikka - who so far has acted neutrally - did make me review the case before blocking. However, just because the users were IPs didn't mean that they didn't have the right to edit pages and participate in revert wars, and according to the hard facts, none of the IPs broke the 3RR. I wasn't in a position to determine that [whether the IPs broke 3RR], at least. Mikka, however, had been launching quite harsh attacks on these "trolls" in the past few days, and I believe that a lot of his blocking activity has been quite unjustified. That is why, when I blocked Mikka, I told him very nicely that this was not a judgement call and that if he felt he was being hard done by, he could contact me through e-mail. He didn't do that; instead, he went and starting posting things like "fuck you all" on his talk page. While I regret the fact that he's leaving, I don't feel guilty in any way, since I applied what the 3RR is designed for - preventing edit wars.

As to the Romanian Wikipedia notice board, it isn't as digusting as you potray it. Anittas and Bonaparte only wrote messages that explained the situation, their only mistake being that they did use very undiplomatic language. However, it would've been like saying at the Russian noticeboard "look, Romanian contributors are adding POV info to the Red Army article" or something like that. I agree that the language used there was inflammatory, however, it wasn't something that they deserved to be blocked for or anything like that, particularly because Anittas wrote that in response to the dispute at Khotyn, in which Ghirlandajo acted quite rudely and undiplomatically. In response to their new year message on that board (1, I did tell them that it was necessary not to involve themselves in these types of disputes. And my message at the noticeboard's talk page supported any translation, in fact, I said I would do the translating.

Finally, I will, as I have always done, watch over the edits of other Romanian contributors. There are many times where I signalled POV tendencies - see Talk:Székelys of Bukovina. I will talk to David Levy about Ghirlandajo's block. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 10:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As for your not feeling guilty I said it all. You can't possibly compensate Mikka's departure by keeping bonapartes at bay, but by your doing it, at least, you will do something useful unlike blocking the most respectable editor in E. European topics whose only fault here was not being decisive enough dealing with vandals who edited through anonymous open proxies. --Irpen 16:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who knows I may become the best Wikipedian ever...I have good models that until now have taken me :) like Jmabel, Bogdangiusca and others, still let's be modest :), so don't you worry in every romanian there is a Bonparte. If one's gone will appear another...This is called simply life Bonaparte talk 19:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bonaparte, if this ever happens, that you become not even the best, but an editor who can simply pass through an Adminship nomination scrutiny, I pledge to send a bottle of Cognac or Ţuică (your choice) to the postal address that I will request from you to send me by email at that time (do not send it to me now, please). In view of your past history here as well as considering the fact that adult people rarely change dramatically, I think I am totally safe from incurring any expenses due to this pledge. But if I am wrong, I would be happy to pay this modest amount for the sake of the common good. --Irpen 20:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian capital market

Hello Ronline, if you have time please look at this article. Bonaparte talk 21:34, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 :As for your not feeling guilty I said it all. You can't possibly compensate Mikka's departure by keeping bonapartes at bay, but by your doing it, at least, you will do something useful unlike blocking the most respectable editor in E. European topics whose only fault here was not being decisive enough dealing with vandals who edited through anonymous open proxies. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 16:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 ::Who knows I may become the best Wikipedian ever...I have good models that until now have taken me :) like [[Jmabel]], [[Bogdangiusca]] and others, still let's be modest :), so don't you worry in every romanian there is a [[Bonparte]]. If one's gone will appear another...This is called simply [[life]] [[User:Bonaparte|<font color="#FFFFFF" style="background: maroon;"> Bonaparte </font>]] [[User talk:Bonaparte|<small>talk</small>]] 19:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
+Bonaparte, if this ever happens, that you become not even ''the best'', but an editor who can simply pass through an Adminship nomination scrutiny, I pledge to send a bottle of Cognac or Ţuică (your choice) to the postal address that I will request from you to send me by email at that time (do not send it to me now, please). In view of your past history here as well as considering the fact that adult people rarely change dramatically, I think I am totally safe from incurring any expenses due to this pledge. But if I am wrong, I would be happy to pay this modest amount for the sake of the common good. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 20:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
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