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A massive walled garden of more than '''200''' articles on Polish coats of arms, most of them abandoned years ago in a state similar to this one. Very few have a bit more information, but these are the exceptions. Yes, noble families had coats of arms, but having pages detailing each and every one of them is serious overkill (and having pages, like here, that ''don't'' detail them but just list them is totally useless). They are all listed in some catalogues of coats of arms, but very few (or even none) of them are actually individually notable. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 14:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC) |
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I have currently tagged thos starting with A-C, I'll continue tagging the remainder tomorrow morning. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Achinger_coat_of_arms This link] indicates which pages are so far included in this AFD. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 15:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC) |
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# [[Abgarowicz coat of arms]] |
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# [[Achinger coat of arms]] |
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# [[Aksak coat of arms]] |
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# [[Alabanda coat of arms]] |
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# [[Alemani coat of arms]] |
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# [[Allan coat of arms]] |
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# [[Amadej coat of arms]] |
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# [[Antoniewicz coat of arms]] |
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# [[Azewoja coat of arms]] |
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# [[Azulewicz coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bajbuza coat of arms]] |
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# [[Belina coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bełty coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bes coat of arms]] |
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# [[Beztrwogi coat of arms]] |
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# [[Białynia coat of arms]] |
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# [[Biberstein coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bieńkowski coat of arms]] |
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# [[Biliński coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bogorya coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bogusz coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bojcza coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bończa coat of arms]] |
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# [[Boreyko coat of arms]] |
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# [[Bożawola coat of arms]] |
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# [[Brama coat of arms]] |
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# [[Brochwicz coat of arms]] |
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# [[Brzuska coat of arms]] |
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# [[Casafranca coat of arms]] |
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# [[Chodkiewicz coat of arms]] |
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# [[Cholewa coat of arms]] |
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# [[Chyliński coat of arms]] |
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# [[Cieleski coat of arms]] |
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# [[Ciołek coat of arms]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Bytom]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Congress Poland]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Głogów]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Kłodzko]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Lubawa]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Nowy Sącz]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Nowy Targ]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Piła]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Poznań]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Radomsko County]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of Rybnik]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth]] |
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# [[Coat of arms of the Pomeranian Voivodeship]] |
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# [[Grzymała coat-of-arms]] |
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# [[List of Polish nobility coats of arms images]] |
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# [[List of Surnames That May Use The Jastrzębiec Coat Of Arms]] |
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# [[Prus II Wilczekosy coat of arms]] |
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Revision as of 07:38, 10 July 2013
Achinger coat of arms
- Achinger coat of arms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
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A massive walled garden of more than 200 articles on Polish coats of arms, most of them abandoned years ago in a state similar to this one. Very few have a bit more information, but these are the exceptions. Yes, noble families had coats of arms, but having pages detailing each and every one of them is serious overkill (and having pages, like here, that don't detail them but just list them is totally useless). They are all listed in some catalogues of coats of arms, but very few (or even none) of them are actually individually notable. Fram (talk) 14:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
List of pages included in this AfD:
- Oppose - useful and important articles --Sobiepan (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Comment While these articles contain verifiable info (and references are available, e.g., in Polish wikipedia,), they left unreferenced and basically abandoned, so formally Fram is right. I suggest the community must pledge to rescue these articles and postpone this vote for, say, 1 month. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Comment 2; I'm also tempted to slap the nominator with a trout for blanket nom. E.g. Białynia coat of arms has a solid text, a reference (and more a readily found) and is used for noble families with wikipedia articles. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- close this deletion discussion I reviewed briefly several other pages. Most of them are in good state, i.e., not "in a state similar to this one". "Massive", "walled garden", "abandoned" are not valid reasons for deletion. Moreover, the fact that "They are all listed in some catalogues of coats of arms" means that all of them have multiple sources of verifiable information, hence satisfy the general criterion of notability. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 16:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Comment The entries on this list from Category:Coats of arms of cities in Poland should be considered separately from the noble families as the former have potential merge targets at the city articles. As a for instance, Coat of arms of Kłodzko includes a reference (if not inline citations) and has information that is not at Kłodzko. 24.151.116.25 (talk) 16:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Comment This nomination does not properly list the articles to be deleted per WP:BUNDLE. Considering some 250 articles (per nominator's reckoning) under the title of one article does not give proper notice to anyone scanning the AfD page. 24.151.116.25 (talk) 17:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Keep. The article has a Bibliography and two External sources. Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed... Poeticbent talk 17:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- These were added after the nomination, so the bed side was OK in the morning :-) Staszek Lem (talk) 19:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Comment. The article was created by User:Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin along with 76 similar articles (see: X!'s tools) Szwedowski made his last edit on 31 May 2013 If I'm not mistaken, his wife (R.I.P.) passed away in 2012. Shouldn't we be asking what his plans are? Poeticbent talk 23:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - Just being an abandoned article or not touched for years is not a valid reason to delete. Yes it needs improvement but so do many articles. Kumioko (talk) 20:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Keep, but while we're at it, perhaps we should think about renaming and refocusing or rescoping these articles en masse. They should be ideally about Polish noble clans (rody szlacheckie) which happened to be identified by this or another coat of arms, and not about the arms themselves. — Kpalion(talk) 22:49, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - I do not agree with Fram. These articles need improvements and more informations, but just the fact that some of them are abandoned or not touched for years is not a valid reason to delete. Interfides (talk) 23:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Merge? has anyone considered that? Making a list out of it (with separate articles for clearly notable CoAs) might be the best option. Renata (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I like this idea. Fewer long articles are always better than lots of very short ones. — Kpalion(talk) 06:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- If good merge targets can be proposed, I have no objection against a merge or merges. Fram (talk) 07:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I like this idea. Fewer long articles are always better than lots of very short ones. — Kpalion(talk) 06:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- Many keeps, but apart from the poor state of most of these articles, can anybody explain what makes these notable subjects? Take e.g. Bajbuza coat of arms, created in 2004 already, tagged as unreferenced since 2009 until yesterday; what's the point of it? Amadej coat of arms, Brama coat of arms, ...; exactly the same story. Articles consisting purely of infoboxes with a list of names. The vast, vast majority of these articles are basically empty shells with an image. Articles about noble families, those I can understand, and that these have a section on the coat of arms, no problem; but articles on hundreds (and potentially thousands) of coats of arms? Why? Fram (talk) 07:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- Note that I'm not including all coats of arms here, the one that seem to have a claim to notability, like the Janina coat of arms, are not up for deletion. But these are the exceptions. 07:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)