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[[User:RexxS|RexxS]], I'm sick to death of logging into this website and seeing people like you forcing infoboxes and then brandishing civility policies at editors who work in good faith here and disagree with you. Infobox pushers act like little leaches eating away at the website and the enthusiasm of contributors here. Infoboxes are NOT compulsory and this was decided by Arb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Proposed_decision#Use_of_infoboxes here]. I have no problems, in fact I support infoboxes ''where they contain a wealth of information'', whether it be buildings, sportspeople or aircraft or settlements and I think they're to be advised on things like that where a lot of facts are best represented in a table/box. What I detest is infobox pushers where the infobox is virtually redundant and contains nothing other than the name and date of birth and occupation which is all mentioned in the lead and the people who've bothered to promote it to GA/FA have decided they don't want one and it looks better without it. Your summary adding the box implying a virtually empty box is full of useful facts for mobile readers is simply false. Quite frankly I've had more than my fair share of infobox disputes and I do NOT want to see a repeat of [[Peter Sellers]]. I strongly suggest you read the "Obsession with infoboxes" section on my user page and do something useful instead.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#aba67e">''Dr. Blofeld''</span>]] 10:34, 29 December 2013 (UTC) |
[[User:RexxS|RexxS]], I'm sick to death of logging into this website and seeing people like you forcing infoboxes and then brandishing civility policies at editors who work in good faith here and disagree with you. Infobox pushers act like little leaches eating away at the website and the enthusiasm of contributors here. Infoboxes are NOT compulsory and this was decided by Arb [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Proposed_decision#Use_of_infoboxes here]. I have no problems, in fact I support infoboxes ''where they contain a wealth of information'', whether it be buildings, sportspeople or aircraft or settlements and I think they're to be advised on things like that where a lot of facts are best represented in a table/box. What I detest is infobox pushers where the infobox is virtually redundant and contains nothing other than the name and date of birth and occupation which is all mentioned in the lead and the people who've bothered to promote it to GA/FA have decided they don't want one and it looks better without it. Your summary adding the box implying a virtually empty box is full of useful facts for mobile readers is simply false. Quite frankly I've had more than my fair share of infobox disputes and I do NOT want to see a repeat of [[Peter Sellers]]. I strongly suggest you read the "Obsession with infoboxes" section on my user page and do something useful instead.♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#aba67e">''Dr. Blofeld''</span>]] 10:34, 29 December 2013 (UTC) |
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: And why shouldn't I be equally sick to death of seeing you reverting my good-faith improvements to an article with no more justification than that you own the article and don't like infoboxes? Why shouldn't I detest infobox haters who don't understand the value of even small infoboxes for the casual visitor and for third-party re-use, yet feel the need to remove them without a proper discussion? Is your best argument "it looks better without it"? Is this all about your personal preferences? You have made no attempt to enter into discussion yet you have the gall to remind others of the ArbCom restating our policy "Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through <u>discussion and consensus</u> among the editors at each individual article." When this article went to FAC, one reviewer was against an infobox and one was in favour. They brought these arguments to bear: |
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: Yet you seem to think that your opinion trumps all other and that you can attack those that disagree with you whenever you choose. Nevertheless, I engaged with you politely and in a collegial manner, despite your lack of understanding of the value that an infobox may bring and the disinformation you spread. Beside me, there are two editors above asking what happened to the infobox and they deserve to have a proper answer. Are you unable to sensibly and rationally discuss the pros and cons of my edit without resorting to ''ad hominen'' arguments? I find that many others whose views on infoboxes are strongly divergent from mine are perfectly capable of entering into discussion with me and seeking consensus without resorting to the utterly unacceptable behaviour you have displayed. If you are truly incapable of editing in a collegial manner with editors like me, then I strongly suggest you find yourself another website to contribute to. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 17:28, 29 December 2013 (UTC) |
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Mother Tongue
She is fluent in English, Hindi, Kannada, and mother tongue Konkani[1].
Devanagari script for Konkani
Deepika Padukone is a Chitrapur Saraswat which is a community of Konkani speaking Brahmins. They adhere to the Chitrapur Math in Shirali, Uttar Kanara district. All of the Math's publications use the devanagari script for Konkani. The Chitrapur Math's Swamiji's pravachans and ashirvachans are also written in Konkani using the Devanagari script. As a Chitrapur Saraswat myself, I can vouch for the fact that we do not use Kannada script to write Konkani. While it is true that other Konkani speakers around Mangalore and the Udipi district write Konkani in the Kannda script, the Chitrapur Saraswat community does not. Please read our Swamiji's Ashirvachans on the site. http://www.chitrapurmath.net/ashirvachans/ashirvachans.asp It is written in Konkani using the Devanagari script. --Bhanap1708 (talk) 18:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Infobox img
Reverted to the old image as the new img was possibly a copyright violation.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)she is 5 feet 9inches
Is Deepika an Indian Dane?
Need references for Deepika's nationality as a Dane.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- Looking at the category I see that it doesn't claim to be about nationality, but in any case she doesn't fit it. Apparently it is for it is for Indian people living in Denmark or People of Indian Origin in Denmark. Deepak doesn't live in Denmark. I think it was a case of someone being over enthusiastic with categorization. -- SiobhanHansa 14:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Personal life section
This was removed as being undue weight and out of step with our biographies of living people policy. Not for "no apparent reason" as was claimed when it was restored. The idea from that edit summary that "as an encyclopedia we have to mention who she was dating" absolutely astounds me. What encyclopedias have you been reading? This does not appear to be a long established relationship and the section is encouraging BLP violations all the time. I would add WP:RECENT and WP:NOT#NEWS to reasons against including it. There are plenty of sites people can go to if they want the latest gossip. Is it necessary for us to go running after trivia too? -- SiobhanHansa 12:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC) Deepika Pradukone broke up with Ranbir Kapoor on October 2009 not Novemeber 2009.
- Since no one has objected to this reasoning I've removed the section again. If you think it should be reinserted please explain here. Thanks -- SiobhanHansa 11:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
World's sexiest woman
This claim: She is also known to be the most Sexiest and the most Beautiful Actress alive. uses a Times of India source. The wording isn't clear on who exactly has declared her the sexiest Woman. The source states she's on the Maxim Hot 100 but the Maxim Hot 100 that I know of [2] doesn't mention her. Does anyone have a better source for this claim so we can include it accurately in the article? -- SiobhanHansa 18:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Such details then shouldn't be added. Kensplanet (talk) 18:49, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- The Maxim Hot 100 you know of and linked to is the American version of the magazine. Deepika was #1 on Maxim's Hot 100 in the Indian version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.166.238 (talk) 03:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Kundapur
Some peoples are mistaken saying she is from mangalore, but its not true.
Deepika's father is from Padukone village in Kundapura Taluk of Udupi District
[3] please read the second paragraph Chandanmm (talk) 03:55, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- Actually by Mangalore, people mean the Mangalore district or South Canara district (before 1997). And Kundapura Taluk of Udupi District is in South Canara. Hence the confusion. KensplanetTalkContributions 03:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I've edited the article roughly, please do some copyedits Chandanmm (talk) 03:55, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- Deepika Padukone is an ethnic Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin who are a Konkani speaking community. They had settled in coastal villages of Karnataka after they migrated from Goa in the early 16th century. Most (if not all) Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmins bear surnames that can traced to a village in coastal Karnataka. The reason CSB's have surnames like these is because most of their forefathers worked as administrators in various villages in coastal Karnataka back in the 18th century. The ruling King in those days declared that all CSB's need to bear last names that reflect the village they administer. That's how 99% of CSB last names are names of villages found in coastal Karnataka. Now, this does not mean that Deepika hails from Padukone village in Karnataka because her last name is Padukone. What it means is that one of her ancestors held an administrative position under the royal court and was assigned for duty in the Padukone village. It is not uncommon to find Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmins bearing a surname that points to village XYZ, but having nothing to do with that village in terms of a house or lineage. My very own surname points to a certain village in the Udipi district of Karnataka, but my forefathers claim lineage from a whole different village. --Bhanap1708 (talk) 20:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Mother's name
The spelling "Ujjala" appears in Miss Padukone's own words, supposedly, at http://www.deepika-padukone.com/deepika/i-believe.php. (Is she quite obviously the most beautiful girl on earth or what? Dang.) --Milkbreath (talk) 03:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC) o deepi
Article Status
I motion that this article be placed into protective or semi protective status due to the high rise in ip address vandalism.永 (talk) 18:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there any way to edit her filmography? Many of her newly announced films are not being updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.73.241 (talk) 15:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
- Exactly. Newly announced films are not supposed to be updated. See WP:NFF. BollyJeff || talk 13:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't know that. So when does filmography get updated? Once filming begins? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.230.11 (talk) 18:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- I would say when there is a film article available to link to (not a red link), and that film article is also abiding by WP:NFF. Or if there is a reliable source saying that filming has begun it can be added without an article link.BollyJeff || talk 18:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Pronounication of Padukone
Padukone is wrongly pronounced.its पडूकोने not पादुकोण.
--Neal007 (talk) 01:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC) She has appeared in the new version of Mile Sur Mera Tumhara —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.23.68.40 (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- @ Neal007 - The 'e' in Padukone is silent. The correct pronunciation of Padukone is पडुकोण ( IPA pəɖʊkoːɳ] ). Deepika Padukone is an ethnic Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin (CSB), who are Konkani-speaking people settled on the coastal belt of Karnataka. 'Padukone' is pronounced as पडुकोण ( IPA pəɖʊkoːɳ] ) in Konkani (specifically the Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin dialect of Konkani). The actual village of Padukone may be pronounced as 'padu-ko-nay' today, but CSB's with the Padukone surname pronounce it as 'padu-cone'. The way CSB's pronounce it today most accurately reflects the pronunciation that was in use 250 years ago. Deepika's surname indicates that one of her forefathers worked as an administrator of the Padukone village or that they were at one time settled in that village. It doesn't necessarily mean that her family hails from the Padukone village. Deepika herself confirms that the 'e' in Padukone is silent. Please see this link http://www.missmalini.com/2009/07/13/deepika-does-good/. The very first line confirms this. --Bhanap1708 (talk) 20:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- I vouch for Bhanap1708 's correctness in this regard being the correct pronunciation of this surname in the Chitrapur Saraswat community to which Deepika belongs. AshLin (talk) 06:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
- @ Neal007 - The 'e' in Padukone is silent. The correct pronunciation of Padukone is पडुकोण ( IPA pəɖʊkoːɳ] ). Deepika Padukone is an ethnic Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin (CSB), who are Konkani-speaking people settled on the coastal belt of Karnataka. 'Padukone' is pronounced as पडुकोण ( IPA pəɖʊkoːɳ] ) in Konkani (specifically the Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin dialect of Konkani). The actual village of Padukone may be pronounced as 'padu-ko-nay' today, but CSB's with the Padukone surname pronounce it as 'padu-cone'. The way CSB's pronounce it today most accurately reflects the pronunciation that was in use 250 years ago. Deepika's surname indicates that one of her forefathers worked as an administrator of the Padukone village or that they were at one time settled in that village. It doesn't necessarily mean that her family hails from the Padukone village. Deepika herself confirms that the 'e' in Padukone is silent. Please see this link http://www.missmalini.com/2009/07/13/deepika-does-good/. The very first line confirms this. --Bhanap1708 (talk) 20:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
- I amended the Kannada script a few days ago to reflect the correct pronunciation (padu-cone as opposed to padu-ko-nay). Since my knowledge of the Kannada script is negligible, native Kannada speakers are encouraged to double check. --Bhanap1708 (talk) 19:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
- Irrespective of what her village's name is, the important thing is the way in which people commonly use it (WP:COMMONNAME) and the way in which the subject herself pronounces it. As I saw, an article mentions that the 'e' is silent in 'Padukone' (the article, which, isn't very reliable by the way). Wikipedia isn't very clear on this as a policy, so, for now, I'll leave this status quo. But, to be very very clear, it does not matter whatsoever whether she is a Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin or not as far as pronunciation of the name is concerned. MikeLynch (talk) 15:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
- And, could someone please change the name in Kannada script, which currently reads 'Padukona'. Thanks. MikeLynch (talk) 15:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
- As far as WP:NAME is concerned, it does not appear to have jurisdiction on pronunciation. AshLin (talk) 17:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
- And, could someone please change the name in Kannada script, which currently reads 'Padukona'. Thanks. MikeLynch (talk) 15:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
- MikeLynch - Feel free to correct the Kannada script to reflect Padukone (e silent). My knowledge of the Kannada script is NIL, so I assumed that removing the 'e' vowel from the script would do it. Seems like that wasn't right either. As far as the correct pronunciation is concerned, the link provided may be a blog post, but it seems to be a genuine media blog where the blog operator is involved with interviewing Bollywood personalities(http://www.missmalini.com/about-2/). Besides, there is no other place (that I know of) where Deepika Padukone or her father clarify how the surname is actually pronounced. Also, as rightly pointed out by AshLin, WP::COMMONNAME does not appear to apply to pronunciation. It applies to cases like Dilip Kumar / Yusuf Khan. --Bhanap1708 (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I guess i'm having a problem with Google Transliterate, so I can't currently correct it. Anyway, yes, you are right about WP:COMMONNAME, but I don't think a blog post is admissible as a source, because it is self-published. (See WP:SPS). Yes, this name pronunciation may be difficult to verify, but for the record, it does not matter whatsoever what lineage she is from or whatever. MikeLynch (talk) 05:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
- For very, very small communities of 200,000 strength or so? Of course, every famous name matters to their identity and miniscule footprint. :-) AshLin (talk) 07:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
- MikeLynch - You're absolutely right about self published sources. Anyway... I do think lineage matters when random individuals make various claims about how 'Padukone' should be pronounced. Being a Chitrapur Saraswat myself, I find it horrid that someone would tweak the pronunciation of a person from my close-knit community (a community so very small in numbers, but yet large in terms of contribution to cinema) Either way, I found a video of Prakash Padukone introducing himself. See how he pronounces his surname here. Also found a video of Deepika Padukone introducing herself... watch how she pronounces her surname here. After watching this, I sincerely hope the whole debate about pronunciation comes to rest.. and that the media will finally learn how to pronounce Deepika's surname correctly (with the 'e' silent).--Bhanap1708 (talk) 07:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
- AshLin - We're a community of less than 20 thousand ;) --Bhanap1708 (talk) 07:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
- MikeLynch - I added a virama (it's called a 'virama' in devanagari, not sure what it is called in Kannada) to the Kannada script so that the default vowel sound of the 'n' consonant in 'Padukone' is suppressed. You might wanna check it for accuracy. Google Transliterate is useless. I had to look up a Kannada script tutorial to get it ;) --Bhanap1708 (talk) 08:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
- Hehe, yeah I know how it feels when a name is improperly pronounced. Personally, I believe that we should maintain a status quo on this. But again, very sorry to say that Youtube videos are not usually accepted as references. However, the video does prove the name correction, and I agree that it should be Padukone without the 'e' pronounced. So I guess we should just leave it at that :) MikeLynch (talk) 12:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
- I never said YouTube videos are to be used as references. You don't see a citation on the article's pronunciation section linking to YouTube videos, do you? ;-) I don't think a matter as trivial as pronunciation (which is unfortunately being made out to be an issue of conflicting views) is a topic of scholarly debate that demands a citation. No one is going to come up with an official press release clarifying the pronunciation ;-) But I'm sure there is no better 'reference' other than the subject themselves pronouncing their name. --Bhanap1708 (talk) 15:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I really feel that Padukone is pronounced the way sreerajarasa has changed it on this article. Cheers! But there are some morons who say they have reached some concensus and decided that Padukone is pronounced as ಪಡುಕೊಣ್. This bhanap17 claims that just because Deepika said in a press conference that Padukone is pronounced as ಪಡುಕೊಣ್ and not ಪಡುಕೊಣೆ, it should be mentioned as ಪಡುಕೊಣ್ in the article. I know it is pronounced as ಪಡುಕೊಣೆ and these people are shying away from the actual facts. --Gamblatt (talk) 16:53, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Okay this is going in the wrong direction. Until we see some Reliable evidence that the name is pronounced either way, I think this article should be status quo. Gamblatt, I request you not to use objectionable language. I must say that neither of the parties have any verifiable sources to support their arguments. I also have a suggestion: Instead of just squabbling, why don't we include both pronunciations until someone finds a source reliable enough? Please post comments here. Regards. MikeLynch (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- OK, after having read all the comments, I seriously fail to understand the squabble. Since I am Konkani, I can attest to the fact that ಪಡುಕೊಣ್/पडुकोण is the correct pronunciation. However, my claim is based on my own 'insider' knowledge, which means it has no justification to Wikipedia. On a similar note, I'd like to remind the protagonists of ಪಡುಕೊಣೆ/पडुकोणे that their claim is based on their own 'insider' knowledge which too has no place on Wikipedia. Wikipedia relies on reliable evidence and not any random individual's claim to be the guardian of 'truth'. I happened to watch those video links posted above and I do think they suffice to clear up the matter. Prakash and Deepika would obviously know how to pronounce their last name perfectly (as opposed to any of us). The media pronounces Padukone in a variety of ways; doesn't mean we entertain all those myriad incorrect pronunciations. I don't agree with Mike's suggestion at all. Putting both pronunciations gives the reader WRONG information that either pronunciation is acceptable. At least the ಪಡುಕೊಣ್/पडुकोण protagonists have videos to rely on. What does the ಪಡುಕೊಣೆ/पडुकोणे camp have? Nothing. All they have is a claim to 'know the truth'. So, I fail to see the justification behind Mike's recommendation. If the squabble gets out of hand, you might be better off not having any transliteration/pronunciation at all.
- Signed | Aoghac2z
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Picture
Doesn't anybody have another picture of this gorgeous woman. in this picture she looks like older than she really is. besides this picture sucks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torebay (talk • contribs) 19:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
- Most of the pictures on Wikipedia suck. We're only allowed to use photos we have rights to. AyanP (talk) 02:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)Ayan
An interesting article from India, with a beautiful promotional picture.[4] It shows her "new look". — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:13, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
- Definitely not usable for copyright reasons, and we don't apply fair use for living people. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Edit request from Vagdevir, 22 June 2010
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Lafangey Parindey
Vagdevir (talk) 13:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Not done: Welcome. Please be more specific about what you would like to change. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 13:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
E:\New\My files\Deeps\Deeipika padukone 6.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.32.88 (talk) 12:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Glmanju, 13 October 2010
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Kannada script is used by Konkani speakers in Kundapura and noe Devanagari script. Hence her name should be in kannada script
Glmanju (talk) 07:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not done: I assume you are proposing a change of article name. This is the English Wikipedia, and thus we write everything in English characters. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 12:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- I believe Glmanju (talk) is requesting that the Devanagari script for Konkani be removed and replaced by Kannada script. This issue has been discussed before and what Glmanju (talk) is requesting is not deemed to be right. I would encourage Glmanju (talk) to engage in a discussion and contribute to this section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Deepika_Padukone#Devanagari_script_for_Konkani to prove legitimacy for the request. --Bhanap1708 (talk) 18:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Candyfloss214, 6 January 2011
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I would like to change the default picture of Deepika Padukone page, I have a gorgeous picture from Vogue India, of her face and close up. It would look great!
The source is: http://www.vogue.in/sites/default/files/imagecache/article_358_203/article/slideshow/2811/77818363.jpg
Candyfloss214 (talk) 03:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not done: This image seems to be copyrighted. Wikipedia does not accept copyrighted images. However, if you own the copyright to this image and you wish to release it on Wikipedia under an appropriate license, please wait for a few days (until your user account becomes auto-confirmed), and then you can upload that image yourself.
- Signed | Aoghac2z
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Edit request from 144.36.70.77, 14 January 2011
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She was daing a guy named Tamaghna in her early career.
144.36.70.77 (talk) 08:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC) Not done: Even if you proved that with a reliable source, we don't list everyone that a person has dated in their wikipage--only those that have a very high connection to the person's notability. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:27, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Edit request fron 216.165.60.16, 19 January 2011
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Should Housefull 2 be included in filmography? She hasn't officially been signed. But she's confirmed to be in Race 2 as well as Homi Adajania's next, both with Saif Ali Khan
Not done: Provide a source, and we can see about inclusion. I guess it is unsourced. Will try and source it. And try providing a source for Race 2 TheMike •Wassup doc? 17:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Source for Race 2: http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/2010/10/27/14848/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.73.241 (talk) 16:42, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from Snehaljha, 3 February 2011
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Please change her date of birth 5th January 1986 to 1984. She was 24 in 2008 and hence she is 26 at present not 24.
http://www.metrojoint.com/blog_more/Deepika_caught_lying_about_her_age/pid/29315/userid/25470
Snehaljha (talk) 06:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
- Not done: The link you have up there is not reliable. See WP:RS. Signed | Aoghac2z | 16:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Relevance of scripts
I've been wondering about the relevance of scripts on BLPs. The idea is to include a transliterated version of a script which is the native language of an industry because of which the subject is notable. In the case of Deepika, it is the Hindi film industry. Technically, the transliterated script and language should be Hindi. Why are we including Konkani and Kannada? Thoughts would be welcome. Signed | Aoghac2z | 23:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Since this is the English Wikipedia, ideally we should never use non-Roman scripts here in this Wiki. However, there are exceptions. Well, I think the native script of a person is is included because the Roman Script alone is insufficent for pronouncing the name. In many cases, the way people pronounce the name in the Roman script is a lot different from the actual name how it is pronounced. Romanization is never cent percent accurate, but is very close to the orginal pronounciation. दीपिका पडुकोण is 100% accurate, but Deepika Padukone may not be and will definitely vary from how people to people pronounce it. That's the reason to maintain the accuracy of the article and pronounciation, native scripts are always used. Xavier449 (talk) 14:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- We also have several Konkani Roman Catholic articles like George Fernandes, Freida Pinto, and Genelia D'Souza. But we will never use Devanagari or Kannada script there. Those names are English and surnames Portuguese. Only and only Roman script can be used to represent the names there. No Indian script can be used to represent them as that may lead to inaccuracy. Hope that makes sense. Xavier449 (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think that was User:Aoghac2z's point. I think the point was that Deepika is active in the Hindi Film Industry, and hence, the Hindi transliteration should be provided. That is a nice point actually. Will comment on it after I look through other articles. TheMike •Wassup doc? 15:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- We also have several Konkani Roman Catholic articles like George Fernandes, Freida Pinto, and Genelia D'Souza. But we will never use Devanagari or Kannada script there. Those names are English and surnames Portuguese. Only and only Roman script can be used to represent the names there. No Indian script can be used to represent them as that may lead to inaccuracy. Hope that makes sense. Xavier449 (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying that point for me, Mike. Well, I've come across several BLPs where the language of notability is mentioned. One such example is Rajnikanth who is Marathi by ethnicity. His page has a mention of the Tamil script alone, which makes sense because it is the Tamil language (and the Tamil film industry) because of which he is notable. Take other examples :
- * Sonam Kapoor - Born in Mumbai, Maharashtra, but it doesn't have a Marathi transliteration. Has only Hindi.
- * Abhishek Bachchan - Born in Mumbai, Maharashtra, but it doesn't have a Marathi transliteration. Has only Hindi.
- The idea is not to inundate the first line with multiple scripts and transliterations, but to simply include ONE (could be more than one in rare cases) script that has made the person in question NOTABLE. Signed | Aoghac2z | 22:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- I get the point. I think it has to be changed. But then, you can't give examples of Sonam Kapoor and Amitabh, as they are from North India. Anyway, I feel it has to be changed. TheMike •Wassup doc? 09:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Right! Their ethnic and ancestral origins may be from North India, but they're associated with Mumbai in terms of domicile, identity and birth. Anyway, changing it on the article per consensus. Signed | Aoghac2z | 19:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- Logically if a script has to be used; then the transliteration must be in Konkani. She is a Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin after all. So, Konkani is her native language. The Hindi transliteration shouldn't be used, because even though she is mostly associated with Bollywood, her mother tongue isn't Hindi. The Rajnikanth article might currently hold GA status, but let's not make that the reference for what example must be followed in every BLP article of an actor. Joyson Noel Holla at me! 20:12, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
- Logically speaking, mother tongue scripts must be used. Rajinikanth's article has a Tamil script as it's a screen name (Rajinikanth is not his real name) given by a Tamil director to act in Tamil movies, although a Marathi (His mother tongue) transliteration of his original name is also there in te article. —Commander (Ping me) 20:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, so that explains it! Joyson Noel Holla at me! 21:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
- Logically speaking, mother tongue scripts must be used. Rajinikanth's article has a Tamil script as it's a screen name (Rajinikanth is not his real name) given by a Tamil director to act in Tamil movies, although a Marathi (His mother tongue) transliteration of his original name is also there in te article. —Commander (Ping me) 20:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
- Logically if a script has to be used; then the transliteration must be in Konkani. She is a Chitrapur Saraswat Brahmin after all. So, Konkani is her native language. The Hindi transliteration shouldn't be used, because even though she is mostly associated with Bollywood, her mother tongue isn't Hindi. The Rajnikanth article might currently hold GA status, but let's not make that the reference for what example must be followed in every BLP article of an actor. Joyson Noel Holla at me! 20:12, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
- Right! Their ethnic and ancestral origins may be from North India, but they're associated with Mumbai in terms of domicile, identity and birth. Anyway, changing it on the article per consensus. Signed | Aoghac2z | 19:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- I get the point. I think it has to be changed. But then, you can't give examples of Sonam Kapoor and Amitabh, as they are from North India. Anyway, I feel it has to be changed. TheMike •Wassup doc? 09:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. Deepika is ethnic konkani. So her page should be in Konkani. RicardoKlement (talk) 15:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
It started at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Native_languages_in_lead, continued at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Options, and is still awaiting final clarification at User_talk:DeltaQuad#Native_languages_in_lead. We want to avoid wasting so much effort arguing over these scripts, like what has been going on here. BollyJeff || talk 13:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Edit request from 202.184.111.77, 16 February 2011
{{edit semi-protected}} her first movie was a small role in snehithiye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snehithiye), year 2000, language Tamil. Please add it to the list.
202.184.111.77 (talk) 04:10, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Unsourced in that article. And Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. -Atmoz (talk) 18:05, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Mentioning Caste
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There has been a discussion on India Portal related to mentioning of caste of subjects. The point is that mentioning caste of people, who have nothing to do with their caste, is found to be unnecessary by few editors. Hence the caste of the subject person needs to be deleted from the biography. I am not deleting the caste as of now but am only posting this here so that the regular editors of this article are well aware of it beforehand and no edit-wars take place. For details of discussion held on the portal please refer Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Mentioning_caste_of_Individuals. Your views if any are welcome there or even here.
And.... as the reasons of exclusion of caste pointed out were "irrelavant to notability of subject person", "privacy of the subject person", "inclusion of caste is like branding individuals", etc. other information included in the article which also fall under these cases will also be removed after discussions. Examples of it included religion, non-notable spouse's and children's and parents' information, previous occupation, lived in places, non-notability related educational qualification, etc.
Your views on this are also welcome here or at the India portal. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 17:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not here, please. There is a community discussion taking place at WT:INB and I would advise people to read the entire discussion before forming an opinion because the above summary is incorrect. Nothing more need be said here. - Sitush (talk) 02:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 7 January 2012
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Her age is wrong. she is born in 1985.
122.166.224.234 (talk) 09:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RicardoKlement (talk) 14:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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The first sentence in her " acting " heading is wrong..please verify...she has not acted in Snegithiye...please check the official page of Snegithiye and correct it
14.139.160.4 (talk) 14:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Done Celestra (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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She has not acted in Snegithiye. It is mentioned in her acting paragraph that she has doen so. Please remove that sentence.
Aadithya Marappan (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Already done Celestra (talk) 19:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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Age 27years Saurabh.sa27 (talk) 05:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
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Deepikas New Upcoming Film Rana (2013) with Rajinikanth is not listed in the Filmography Chart,It should be added Like It is added in Rajinikanth filmography page in wikipedia.... Dark Bruin (talk) 00:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- Done -- Dianna (talk) 18:21, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Love 4ever
Does anyone know what happened to this movie? Deepika did an item number in the film, and photos from the song were revealed. Did the film release?? Chulbul pandey ab (talk) 08:11, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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please change deepika padukone endorses yamaha ray 02. jpg to deepika padukone at 19th screen awards 03. jpg
Salonivats2507 (talk) 09:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: File:Deepika padukone at 19th screen awards 03.jpg does not exist. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 10:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
2010-11
Just wondering...the heading for this section doesn't seem right to me. She had only one success out of 7 films during 2010-11 (Housefull, which was a critical failure), yet the heading is "Initial success, 2010-11". Wouldn't it be more appropriate if it were "Initial success and setbacks, 2010-11" or something along those lines?? AB01 (talk) 15:31, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
- Sure, please go ahead and change it. You are doing a good job on the article. :) --smarojit HD 15:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, that was a quick reply. Thanks!! :) AB01 (talk) 15:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
- Sure, please go ahead and change it. You are doing a good job on the article. :) --smarojit HD 15:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
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Deepika's main language spoken in her home is Marathi even though her mother tongue is the small sister of Marathi. Shreesh.lele (talk) 10:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: Source please. --smarojit HD 11:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Deepika Padukone herself had been a national level badminton player. Shrees1234 (talk) 11:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 5 September 2013
Hi, there is a small mistake under the sub topic early life and background. The Farah Khan had choosen her for Om shanthi Om not for Happy New year. 112.134.240.193 (talk) 13:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
- Not done Actually, according to the sources provided in the article, Farah Khan had initially cast her for Happy New Year. In the next section it is mentioned that when the film was shelved, she cast her instead for Om Shanti Om. --smarojit HD 13:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 10:00, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
- Lead
Successful is repeated quite a few rimes, perhaps reword one or too, especially "hugely successful ".
- Early life
By 2006 Padukone had established a successful career as a model with a hugely popular print campaign. Hugely again I don't like seeing, maybe "by 2006 Padukone had established a career as a model after a highly successful print campaign?
- Acting career
- "The film was hugely publicised" -again..
- "Om Shanti Om was a hugely popular release," ditto
- "Love Aaj Kal proved the -" proved to be the
- "Padukone started 2011 with the hugely hyped item " ditto. = overly hyped
- "The pairing of Padukone with Kapoor (her ex-boyfriend) led to a huge hype surrounding the film's release" -ditto
- Padukone's next film role was opposite Shahrukh Khan in Rohit Shetty's action comedy film Chennai Express as Meenalochini Azhagu Sundaram, -when was this?
- Personal
- "She visited the Indian jawan troops in Jammu, for an Independence Day special episode of NDTV's reality show Jai Jawaan.[108] In 2010 she took part in the opening ceremony of the third season of the Indian Premier League at the DY Patil Stadium in Navi Mumbai.[109] Three years later, she performed alongside Shahrukh Khan, Katrina Kaif, and Pitbull for the sixth edition of the Indian Premier League.[110] In early 2013 she performed at the 2013 Zee Cine awards[111] and later that year performed in Macao for the 14th IIFA Awards.[11" A lot of repetition of "she", replace some with Padukone.
- Media
- "In 2012 it was reported that Padukone had signed on for an endorsement deal worth INR60 million (US$950,000), " -who was this deal with?
- Thanks Dr. Blofeld. All the points have been addressed. :) --smarojit HD 10:09, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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Good job.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. :) --smarojit HD 18:35, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Photographs
Not sure that the photo of her in the media section is a flattering one although granted it is related to her endorsements. I thought the previous photograph looked nicer. Perhaps find one which is an endorsement but which she looks nice in too? How about File:Deepika-padukone-at-the-launch-of-tanishq-iva-collection.jpg? I suppose the Wrigley photo is OK, but I don't think it is one of her more attractive photos with her hair worn down.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:14, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- I don't mind either of them. The Wringley's one is fine too. --smarojit HD 14:25, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- That one looks good too, though I don't think she officially endorsed Tanishq- I think it was just for Race 2 promotions.. AB01 (talk) 14:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- I guess you could change it if that ^^ doesn't matter AB01 (talk) 14:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- We could use both, and move the Wrigley photo down to the bottom right where her endorsements are mentioned? I'd rather the previous photo on the top left though and then put the Wrigley photo on the bottom right. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, that sounds better :) AB01 (talk) 14:32, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- We could use both, and move the Wrigley photo down to the bottom right where her endorsements are mentioned? I'd rather the previous photo on the top left though and then put the Wrigley photo on the bottom right. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
In the media
I reckon we should add Maybelline as one of the brands she endorse(s/d), since this was one of her most well known brands. AB01 (talk) 12:05, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Missing information?
(edit conflict) According to an interview she is trained in Bharathanatyam (source 2: [5]) and also jazz ballet (source 2) . Also, another article by The Times of India states she's learned Kathak (source 2: [6]). Is it worth mentioning in the article? Also, what happened to the infobox? It's missing!? ごだい (会話) 17:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- Seems useful. Please ask the FA nominators User:Krimuk90 and User:Dr. Blofeld and add the info. ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 16:59, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- I don't want to mess with the article so I'll just notify them. Thanks. ごだい (会話) 17:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, where's the infobox? Sohambanerjee1998 14:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- It was removed during the FA review as it adds nothing new to the article. Read WP:DISINFOBOX. And the information about her training in Bharatnatyam and Kathak can definitely be included. --krimuk 90 14:20, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, where's the infobox? Sohambanerjee1998 14:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- I don't want to mess with the article so I'll just notify them. Thanks. ごだい (会話) 17:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Infobox >
What happened to the Infobox? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
We decided that it had nothing of value and looked better without it. Infoboxes are not compulsory you know.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:21, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- Doesn't it provide consolidated info on the top of the page? Pretty handy for mobile users. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Nothing that the lead doesn't provide anyway see Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:31, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- That's untrue. An infobox provides a quick overview in a predictable position of key facts that a reader can access at a glance. It also provides both microformats and structured data that facilitates third party reuse of our content. There's plenty that the lead does not provide. --RexxS (talk) 20:33, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- Neither of the article authors want an infobox. The infobox contains nothing that isn't already provided which can be easily viewed. Take your infobox Nazism somewhere else.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. For an article on a living person, it is probably better not to have an infobox (especially in this case). ☠ Jaguar ☠ 22:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- Adding an infobox to this article as down in this revision here barely gave enough information in itself - it can all be found in the lead of the article anyway. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 23:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- Why is it "probably better" in this case not to have an infobox? Do you have any reason to say that?
- The infobox I provided was indeed minimal, as infoboxes should be. They become counter-productive if we end up cramming cruft and trivia into them. However, date and place of birth, age, occupation and the career dates would seem to me to be key information for an actor and the sort of information that a reader may visit the page simply to find out. We have the opportunity to give visitors the choice of using the article for (1) a detailed biography; (2) an overview of the person's life and career; (3) a quick reference for key facts relevant to the person. Those choices are provided by (1) the main article; (2) the lede; (3) the infobox. Just because all of the information in the lead can be found in the main body of the article, we don't adduce an argument that we shouldn't have a lead. Correspondingly, it doesn't matter that the infobox carries information that may be found elsewhere in the article; that's no reason not to have an infobox - it serves a different function from the lead and the article body.
- In addition, the infobox I suggested provided the following microformats for third-party readers: vcard, fn, bday, birthplace, role. None of that is available in the lead. Nor does the lead contain the structured {label-data} pairs, {"Born" - "5 January 1986 (age 27) Copenhagen, Denmark"}, {"Occupation" - "Film actress, model"}, {"Years active" - "2006–present"}, which are used to gather information in machine-readable format, as well as by researchers who use them to train natural language parsers. There are many more uses for infoboxes than just collecting together a few key facts for the casual reader. --RexxS (talk) 01:26, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
- Neither of the article authors want an infobox. The infobox contains nothing that isn't already provided which can be easily viewed. Take your infobox Nazism somewhere else.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
RexxS, I'm sick to death of logging into this website and seeing people like you forcing infoboxes and then brandishing civility policies at editors who work in good faith here and disagree with you. Infobox pushers act like little leaches eating away at the website and the enthusiasm of contributors here. Infoboxes are NOT compulsory and this was decided by Arb here. I have no problems, in fact I support infoboxes where they contain a wealth of information, whether it be buildings, sportspeople or aircraft or settlements and I think they're to be advised on things like that where a lot of facts are best represented in a table/box. What I detest is infobox pushers where the infobox is virtually redundant and contains nothing other than the name and date of birth and occupation which is all mentioned in the lead and the people who've bothered to promote it to GA/FA have decided they don't want one and it looks better without it. Your summary adding the box implying a virtually empty box is full of useful facts for mobile readers is simply false. Quite frankly I've had more than my fair share of infobox disputes and I do NOT want to see a repeat of Peter Sellers. I strongly suggest you read the "Obsession with infoboxes" section on my user page and do something useful instead.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:34, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
- And why shouldn't I be equally sick to death of seeing you reverting my good-faith improvements to an article with no more justification than that you own the article and don't like infoboxes? Why shouldn't I detest infobox haters who don't understand the value of even small infoboxes for the casual visitor and for third-party re-use, yet feel the need to remove them without a proper discussion? Is your best argument "it looks better without it"? Is this all about your personal preferences? You have made no attempt to enter into discussion yet you have the gall to remind others of the ArbCom restating our policy "Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." When this article went to FAC, one reviewer was against an infobox and one was in favour. They brought these arguments to bear:
- "I consider the infobox to be more of a WP:DISINFOBOX and utterly pointless here."
- "I see other Bollywood actresses have similar, so this must be the norm"
- "it's very standard for actor articles to have an infoxbox and I think you'll find yourself constantly battling with other editors over it...it's bound to be re-added all the time"
- "two pieces of information that they provide at a quick glance (not so easily available in the lead) are 1. the subjects age, and 2. the years they have been active"
- But your response addressed nothing:
- Most of us here seem to agree that the infobox is pointless ... Looks better with out it IMO"
- Yet you seem to think that your opinion trumps all other and that you can attack those that disagree with you whenever you choose. Nevertheless, I engaged with you politely and in a collegial manner, despite your lack of understanding of the value that an infobox may bring and the disinformation you spread. Beside me, there are two editors above asking what happened to the infobox and they deserve to have a proper answer. Are you unable to sensibly and rationally discuss the pros and cons of my edit without resorting to ad hominen arguments? I find that many others whose views on infoboxes are strongly divergent from mine are perfectly capable of entering into discussion with me and seeking consensus without resorting to the utterly unacceptable behaviour you have displayed. If you are truly incapable of editing in a collegial manner with editors like me, then I strongly suggest you find yourself another website to contribute to. --RexxS (talk) 17:28, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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