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A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	You are hearby awarded this barnstar, with multiple Zombie Bird clusters, for your diligence in protecting Metro Detroit settlement and school articles from the zombie hoard. John from Idegon (talk) 02:17, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: Haha thanks! Just doing my duty to keep the citizens of Wikipedia safe from the Zombie Birds. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Great work here! Sakaimover (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	When you told me about the Toronto Maple Leafs Player Statistics I made by putting Montreal Canadiens player statistics instead. I was editing Montreal Canadiens statistics as well and that was how it happened Portmannfire (talk) 05:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@Portmannfire: Ah, that makes sense. I do that too sometimes if I'm just copying statistics charts, no biggie. I apologize for being so quick-fingered on Twinkle. I'm sure you know you can remove my twinkle template if you want. I appreciate all the work you did today on the 2018–19 season pages, I know it was probably a tedious job. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

You deleted my Wiki Love!

Well, it really wasn't... It is rather amusing. Thanks & Cheers! Jim1138 (talk) 09:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Recent edits to Stikeman Elliott

Hello, as a members of Stikeman Elliott I recently attempted to change the content of the Stikeman Elliott Wikipedia page to better reflect the scope of our Canadian practice and active offices. If this has been flagged due to the language 'a leading..' may I point you to Osler's Wikipedia page which has similar text (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osler,_Hoskin_%26_Harcourt). Also, it is more accurate to mention "seven sisters" in relation to Bay Street, rather than Toronto in general. This update was not intended to be promotional in nature, but rather an update to reflect our business, and for this reason could you kindly revert to my most recent changes.

If you would like to discuss these edits, please contact me at mstrachan@stikeman.com.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.168.230.6 (talk) 17:02, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. It is pretty obvious you have a conflict of interest with this company. Please note that if you have a conflict of interest you should not edit the page directly. If you want to edit the page again you should make WP:Edit requests on the talk page of the article. I left some more advice on your talk page regarding how to move forward with a COI. Please note that continuing to promote this company may result in a block. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 17:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

STAGG MUSIC

I'M THE MARKETING DIRECTOR OF STAGG MUSIC WHICH BELONGS TO EMD MUSIC, BRUSSELS, BELGIUM. I'M SURPRISED YOU HAVE REVERTED THE CHANGES I MADE ABOUT STAGG ON WIKIPEDIA A FEW MONTH AGO. WE ACTUALLY OWN THIS BRAND AND DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAPPENED. YOU CAN VERIFY THIS BY SENDING AN EMAIL INFO@EMDMUSIC.COM BEST REGARDS,

@CSIMONIS: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm going to first as you not to type in all caps as it seems like you're shouting. Secondly, wow that was all the way back in May but I can still explain now. Your additions were promotional and I left messages on your talk page and your employees(?) talk page regarding the additions saying they were promotional and that was why I reverted them. The brand does not own the page and is not entitled to adding promotional material, save that for your own website. For more information, you can read our policies Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion and how to maintain a neutral point of view. Please follow the guidelines I left on your talk page regarding editing with a conflict of interest and do not attempt to edit the page. You can make WP:Edit requests on the articles talk page if you wish. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:56, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Remi Broadway

Hi Hickory, I’ll be adding my commentary back in with a more neutral tone. Please note I am also citing news articles. Cheers. DouggieRorza3535 (talk) 07:36, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

@DouggieRorza3535: Hello and thank you for reading our NPOV policy. I apologize for the late message, I must have missed it while on my mobile. I suggest you bring up this contentious event on the articles talk page (Talk:Remi Broadway) as myself and other editors have removed this as possibly having Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons issues. As well, I do not know if 2001:8003:6a68:1100:918:b6cd:985a:14b6 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and 24.78.53.81 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is you but if it is please know you should only edit from one account (WP:LOGOUT). HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, I had thought if the edit was supported by a number of news articles detailing the specifics on the current situation that it would be a supported edit? Oh and sorry. unsure who the other users are, but it's become a fairly large talking point in the press at the moment. Hoping we can add this back in soon thanks.

@DouggieRorza3535: I want you to know I really appreciate you taking the time to understand our policies and I hope we can work together on editing in the future. The reason why this might violate our BLP policies is because of WP:BALASP which is giving too much attention to something that doesn't deserve it. See this specific line in WP:BALASP: "For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic. This is a concern especially in relation to recent events that may be in the news." HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:53, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I'd add that there were copyright issues with some of the content that was copied directly from the news article. Speaking of which, another policy that comes to mind is WP:NOTNEWS. For a controversial matter to be published in a bio here, there really has to be substantial coverage by many sources, such that the incident clearly will be more than yesterday's news when people read this next year. 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:57, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Why not eBooks?

Hi,

I'm confused ... if retailers like GameStop and Amazon.com can be mentioned in the "In video gaming" section on the Pre-Orders page, then why can't Fictionwise.com be mentioned in the "In eBooks" section?

How about this? eBook retailer Fictionwise.com sold the first eBook Pre-Order in October 2003: Stephen King's Wolves of the Calla. []

Thanks.

@Drj63: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. First of all, the Amazon section is not +3,710 bytes and does not go into nearly as much detail as you did. This seems like far too much for a page that is not even on this company. As well, the source you used just showed they exist and did not back up your claims. Maybe a sentence or two but not +3,710 bytes. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes I think the above sentence is good. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Drj63: But to show you are not just promoting this company try and do what the "In video gaming" section did and expand. Don't just focus on one company.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:00, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Jason Lewis

You wrongly marked an account I have as COI. I am an avid supporter of Congressman Lewis an saw that someone added and then subsequently had content removed several times. The content was factual and not heresy or opinions as is some other information on the page added by other users. Why should this information not be allowed?

@HoldenontheHill: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Would you in any chance be connected to TheHill? To answer your question, I suggest you read WP:RSPRIMARY to understand that "Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources." All the sources were primary ones. The page has since been protected so if you would like to edit it, you need to make WP:Edit requests on Talk:Jason Lewis (Minnesota politician).HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@Hickoryoughtshirt?4: Thanks. I am not. And ok, I will find secondary sources. Additionally, the WP:RSPRIMARY does say that primary sources are used for facts. Much of the edits were fact based: "Lewis supported" and the roll call of votes clearly shows the member voting in the affirmative; or, Lewis authored and the link clearly has him listed as an author and quotes the attached summary.

I will admit, I am new to Wikipedia. I appreciate the assistance. I will send you edits to be added in the future for this and other pages.

@HoldenontheHill: Alright, thank you. Yes while it does say primary sources are okay it does say "Although specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred." I am going to place a welcome message on your talk page with some links to help guide you through Wikipedia. Do not be afraid to ask me more questions regarding editing Wikipedia or if you are more comfortable you can also check out WP:TEAHOUSE which is a question forum for new editors. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:31, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

One more thing, please send the edits to be added to Talk:Jason Lewis (Minnesota politician) and not to my page. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Northbridge Athletics

Hi,

I am trying to make this wiki page more interactive and detailed for my school as part of a school project.

All member that I am writing about are seniors, meaning they are above the age of 18.

I am a beginner editor, and I believe that these sources are accurate. Heck, I even have video proof of what I am saying! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoboGogo6969 (talk • contribs) 01:37, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Regardless if they are over 18 (not all seniors are over 18 by the way – I wasn't), this is wayyyyyy too much weight for an article on the school. Why is the 2018-19 roster (which isn't even set yet!) getting so much attention, especially these two players? Regardless of how good they are, this is unnecessary and too much weight for a school article. As has been pointed to you before, check out WP:WEIGHT and WP:BALASP. As well, you are falsifying the sources you use. Your first edit says the roster wasn't finalized [1] and then your second edit (using the 'same source) [2] says it was. Regardless, this is all too much weight, not enough balance. Save this all for your school's newspaper, not the Wikipedia article. You may want to consult with your teacher on the Wikipedia practices listed above. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:46, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Look here,

I have been trying to do this in a correct way. I keep on getting whole portions of my Wiki article taken down for some portions of my writing that was incorrect or weighted improperly. Can you refrain from taking down my whole write-up just because one fact was not cited properly, or is that not how Wiki editing works? I read up on weight and balance, but if these players were statistically the best players in their position, would I be incorrect for describing them like that? I am currently working on a edit for the coach that I hope will get posted following all the guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoboGogo6969 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@BoboGogo6969: I don't think you are understanding me. How can you read our weight and balance policies and still think +1,000 bytes on a not yet finalized 2018-19 basketball roster and two players is okay for an article about an entire school? There is nothing on academics, other sports etc. just the 2018-19 roster that is in pre-season form. It is not necessary for an article on the school to talk about how great these high school basketball players are or how they may help the team be successful. Regarding editing, I suggest you use the WP:Sandbox to practice editing rather than on the article itself and maybe consult with your teacher before adding it in. I am going to ping a more experienced editor in school-related subjects John from Idegon who may be able to offer up some more advice (if he's online). HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi,

Do you think it would be possible to make a Northbridge Athletics wiki page? The town has a rich history with sports and several developed sports programs. I cannot make a page myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoboGogo6969 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@BoboGogo6969: I don't think that is very popular for high schools (usually only universities) but you can create a section on "Extracurricular activities". You should speak about them in general (but mention what makes them notable) and not go into too much detail about specific people. We don't mention specific students unless they are notable already (notable as in pass our WP:Notability policy). You may want to read over Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines for tips on how to write about schools and make sure there are enough reliable sources.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:15, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

That is a good idea. I will edit this sometime tomorrow. I will try and be more general about the players, and how can I cite sources about a topic (like mine) that doesn't go to in-depth without using video and such? It is the only resource I have at my hands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoboGogo6969 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@BoboGogo6969: You can try looking online or use offline sources like books or newspapers (just follow Template:Cite book or Template:Cite news) if that is easier. You may want to consult your school librarian. Maybe your school has an online archive? If the video is posted online by the school's official website it is alright but we prefer to have secondary sources. As well, you cannot post information that is not verifiable so while that may restrict what you write, really only notable clubs should even be mentioned so.... HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I left a lengthy message on his talk. There are only a few articles on high school athletic programs (less than 10), and they are all on schools that have had books written about their athletic programs. I cannot see how one on this school would ever be viable. John from Idegon (talk) 05:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks John! HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:25, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

India stuff

I saw the second one too. Odd. Drmies (talk) 03:59, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

• And the third. Drmies (talk) 04:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

They seem to keep switching IPs too [3]. Someone really needs to start a blog. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Boo!

Happy Halloween!

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A Dobos torte for you!

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A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	On Corey Stewart. You keep beating me to the revert button! Balkywrest (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Haha, I've been on the end of that lots of times. Just keep it up, they'll be blocked soon. I also requested page protection in case they come back. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Changes to page Deana Uppal

Hi Hickory,

I am not promoting or advertising in anyway. This profile has been left incomplete and I am helping you complete her profile which is still incomplete. We both are on the same team, mate. I am just updating a "Punjabi" (Indian Language) Movie listing of Deana which is not listed here called HARD KAUR which released in 2017 and making minor edits. You can google the same, the information is missing from wikipedia. The page for the movie is missing from wikipedia.

Anxiously awaiting a response.

Thanks & Regards,

Iqbal

@Iqbal1184: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. While we may both want to expand knowledge on Wikipedia, one of us (you) is being paid by the person themselves to do it. This absolutely means you may have a hard time following policies like neutral point of view and not writing an article like a resume. All of your additions are promotional and you still have yet to declare your conflict of interest despite many talk page request to do so. As I have already told you, it is required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose on your talk page and on the articles talk page that you are her social media manager as you claim here. If you continue adding promotional content and not using WP:Edit Requests you risk being blocked. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Zach Hyman

I am not sure what your reference to my editing of this page is calling out. The link you provided is far too ambiguous for me to understand the offending content. I am not affiliated with Hyman other than speaking with him and being a fan of University of Michigan Hockey where I first became aware of him and began following his career. I am not being paid for any of my edits or opinions or any other content. My career is in Information Technology and is no way related to publishing or creating copy for articles such as this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realstuart (talk • contribs) 04:13, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Realstuart: I am referring to your edit summary that states "Removing personal life section at request of family." I didn't realize acquaintances from university got personal phone calls asking for Wikipedia help.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Your comment "I didn't realize acquaintances from university got personal phone calls asking for Wikipedia help." is presumptuous. My wife and I have season tickets to the University of Michigan Hockey program and we have had them for many years. Depending on how long a player stays with the program we often are able to talk to them and their parents either by socializing during/after games or through our involvement in the hockey booster club. It was asked of me by Zach's father at a hockey game to remove the content related to specific aspects of his Jewish background and I did at his request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realstuart (talk • contribs) 04:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@RealStuart: So wanna explain this edit where you admit to being a personal friend of the family? You actually say "myself, combined with Zach's father, have been working a great deal on Zach's page to ensure that it is as complete and accurate as possible" so.....HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Hickory - I appreciate you being diligent and doing your job to ensure accuracy of Wikipedia content and challenging submissions where appropriate. I can see how the content you are providing based on the comments I made over 3 years ago would look suspicious to you. The fact is that during Zach's tenure at the University of Michigan, as I stated, my wife and I spoke to him and his father on a number of occasions. Since his departure, I have had no contact with his family and only minimal contact with him at book signings. I would not have access to contacting him outside of that circle due to the security at NHL games. As I also mentioned, I work in Information Technology and in sharing my background with Zach's father during Zach's time at Michigan I spoke with him candidly on content that should exist in the page based on Zach's achievements as well as comparing to other professional hockey athletes. My goal is to ensure that the content on Zach's page is as accurate and up to date as possible. Candidly I would love to have the relationship with him that you suspect I do, however my wife and I remain only fans/boosters of Michigan Hockey and those that we have seen reach the NHL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realstuart (talk • contribs) 04:45, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Realstuart: Thank you for finally admitting this. I see you alluded to that being from 2015. Please note I can see your entire edit history and can see many more instances of involvement (How about this edit from 2016 where you use the words "we" even though accounts should only be run by one person). Regardless, you still have a personal connection with him, I mean you go to his book signings after all (that means something!) and you claim to have contact with him in the past. Since you initially lied to me, I have no idea if you are telling the truth or not. What I do know is that you have a clear conflict of interest (you can read about it at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest) and you should disclose it on your user page and Hyman's talk page. Wikipedia pages are not owned by Hyman or his family or personal friends. When articles are edited by COIs it undermines public confidence in Wikipedia and you have been doing this for years. Your edits so far have been less than neutral and you seem to be struggling to write candidly about Hyman. This is common for most COI editors. What this also means, is that unless it is for minor edits like vandalism or copyediting you should use WP:Edit requests so others can judge your edits and their neutrality. I have already had to remove so much WP:PUFFERY from your edits. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:01, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Hickory - I am sorry that revision edits which I made three years ago are not up to the standards of you and Wikipedia. In my haste of adding in content and comments it is entirely possible that an "I" was used as a "We" or vice-versa and that "We" did not exactly, precisely mean that two people were sharing a wikipedia account as you seem to suggest. Rather, it could have inferred the product of a discussion I had with Hyman's father at the time that the edit was made. To be absolute, no one has ever used my wikipedia account except me. I appreciate that you are able to see the entire history of all of my edits. I am sure that your powers are formidable and your authority is without question; Truly, you command fear and respect. To clarify, attending a book signing does not produce a personal connection. It is clear that you have never been to an event such as this. To describe it briefly would best be likened to attendees being bottles on a bottling line. I had about 1 minute with Hyman as he signed my copy of The Magicians Secret, he asked me if I was well, and I congratulated him on his NHL career. While I realize that wikipedia pages aren't owned by his family or his friends, as I am continually trying to impress upon you, I do not fall into either of those classifications. Hypothetically, would you classify yourself as having a personal connection with the Prime Minister if you once spoke with him when he was a Member of Parliament and then attended a town hall after he became Prime Minister and asked a question? If it will placate you for me to add content to my personal talk page that in the past I have spoken to Zach Hyman I will do so. Suggesting that I have been "have been doing this for years" also incorrectly implies that I have been singularly focused on writing conflict of interest pieces with great frequency. Given that your powers extend to viewing my complete history of edits, I am sure that you will see that there are often extremely large gaps between edits. As I said in my last message to you, I appreciate that you are trying to do your job. That said, coming to me with the mindset of education and working together to address issues would have been much more constructive than the brusque nature which you chose to have. I appreciate that your main user page states "This user tries not to behave like an angry mastodon." however my observation based on your messages is that you should still continue working towards this goal. I sincerely wish we could have had a more cordial interaction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realstuart (talk • contribs) 05:27, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Realstuart: I am sorry if I came off angry. It is hard to read feelings through text and it is nearly 1am where I am. I want to begin by thanking you for the high-quality photos you procured and the edits to non-Hyman related articles.

Moving on: Please understand that I am trying to educate you on our policies but it seems (in my opinion) that you are nitpicking instances when you admit you were working in collaboration with Hymans's father and trying to undermine my education. You have a conflict of interest because you have worked with Hyman's father on elaborating, fluffing, and generally puffing up Hyman's page. You even go so far as to call yourself a personal friend of the family. I do not, nor have I ever, called myself a personal friend of any Prime Minister of Canada. You have made edits on the page while in this relationship with the family and based on your edits today, I must say they seem less than completely neutral. I would say you qualify as having a conflict of interest and this should be disclosed. It does "placate me" (as you say) to add to the talk page that you have a personal connection with Hyman. You can do so by following WP:DISCLOSE.

What "This user tries not to behave like an angry mastodon" means is that I try and remain calm during an argument, have mutual respect for the editor, and a willingness to abide by referenced sources and site policies. This is not a job for me, I am a WP:Volunteer. I edit Wikipedia because I find it enjoyable and relaxing (sometimes a little too distracting if I am being honest). The problem is that some editors come here with a different interest in mind, either economically (being paid) or to further the advancement of careers or family goals. It would do well for you to edit elsewhere besides Hyman (where you do have a conflict of interest) to show that you are not solely editing hockey related articles for him.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Hickory -- I understand all too well that it is hard to read feelings through text. Please understand that I have a great deal of respect for Hyman as I had the privilege of watching his career mature through his time as an NCAA athlete (where he had a very rocky start) and am very happy for him that he has achieved the success he has through hard work and determination -- things which he writes about in his books. Perhaps I have so much respect for him because I, too, value hard work and determination to be successful and I strive to emulate and set an example for people that believe the same. It is for this reason that I concede that some of the diction which I used could be considered puffery by Wikipedia's definition. Education is fine when it is done constructively. Metaphorically beating someone over the head with a mallet, calling them a liar, using words like "undermine" and "nitpicking", phrases like "wanna explain" and being presumptuous would put anyone into a defensive posture. My references to calling myself a "personal friend of the family" was to substantiate the edit which I made, at the request of the family, at the time when I still had contact with them, to the user DetroitFan7 who originally created the page and had reverted the content which (I believe - however it was 3 years ago) was simple diction (without puffery). I would go so far as to even call it an exaggeration. It is 1:30 where I am (we are in the same time zone) and I must fly home from northern Michigan tomorrow as my wife and I were away for the weekend....supporting Michigan Hockey at two away games. That said, with no disrespect, I dismiss the time of day to be a valid excuse as to how this was handled. In response to your comment "that you have a personal connection with Hyman" -- The personal connection I have with Hyman is past tense. As I have repeatedly said, I do not have it any longer and while the point I made was hypothetical (which you seemed to have missed since you stated "I do not, nor have I ever, called myself a personal friend of any Prime Minister of Canada") I was rather hoping it would help illustrate the actual dynamic that exists (or more accurately doesn't exist) between us. I appreciate your hard work and your note "that I try and remain calm during an argument, have mutual respect for the editor". It saddens me that I was unable to see that in this particular instance. Finally regarding your comment of "would do well for you to edit elsewhere besides Hyman", like you, "find it enjoyable and relaxing" is sine qua non for me to have further interest, especially in something I am not being paid to do. Unfortunately at this point I would say my interest in contributing anything further at all for anything has vanished for fear of saying the wrong thing, using the wrong word, being biased, or expending more overheated puffery with further edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realstuart (talk • contribs) 06:34, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Positive feelings generally don't go away even if, as you say, you are without contact with the family for years. I am trying to get you to understand that you can still be influenced by your connection with the family even if it was years ago and don't think you do. You are still only editing Hyman's page (when it comes to NHL players) in a non-neutral manner and you say above you have no other interest besides Hyman. It would do well for you to acknowledge and disclose that yes, you may have disproportionate positive feelings and ideas regarding Hyman and may struggle to write in a neutral manner. My first assumption was correct, you do have a conflict of interest and I am exhausted trying to debate this with you. Wikipedia is made up of volunteers. You are free to edit whenever you want just as I am. I am just trying to point you to some policies that I think may be of interest to you to understand and read. Thank you. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

I guess by your logic I shouldn't update Hyman's page again. While I'm at it, I will make sure I don't touch the pages of Carl Hagelin of the Pittsburgh Penguins (who's parents we also spoke with while he was at Michigan), Louie Caporusso of the DEL (Same), Zach Werenski of Columbus (Same situation), Jack Johnson of Pittsburgh (Same), Dylan Larkin of Detroit (Same), Cooper Marody of Edmonton (Same), Greg Pateryn of Minnesota (Same), and Kyle Connor of Winnipeg. While I'm at it, since my wife and I are such huge fans of Michigan Hockey, perhaps it would be a bad idea to make any edits to the pages of the University of Michigan hockey program. Should I also cut out edits for music bands and another areas of interest that I have as I may have a conflict of interest and may have currently/in the past had a friendship with any of these people or organizations? Perhaps it would be best for me to restrict contributions to the page for the Spotted Owl to avoid any COI involvement. I suppose even contributing to the page of the Bald Eagle would be out-of-bounds on the grounds of puffery as I believe it is a very majestic bird.

I didn't realize that my positive feelings needed to transform into neutral/negative ones for COIs to diminish/vanish. Believe me, the feeling of being exhausted is mutual. Candidly, I do not understand how you find this "enjoyable and relaxing". You did not simply point me to some policies that you "think may be of interest to you to understand and read". Do not make it appear that your initial communication to me was benign. You came down on me like a ton of bricks and without even attempting to wait for a reply from me, you rolled back the edits which I made. The first set of edits were completely factual based on raw statistics that were referenced on many other pages. You're right, we are both free to edit whatever we want, however you are the one with the golden keys and the God-complex that rolls back edits.

Going fifteen rounds with you has been frustrating and completely counter productive and as much as it pains me, it is easier to just walk away instead of walking on eggshells here and being policed by an overzealous traffic cop that makes inaccurate presumptions, utilizes personal insults, and maintains a cavalier attitude to users here as evidenced by many of the others that have taken issue with you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realstuart (talk • contribs) 02:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Realstaurt: I sent you three messages on your talk page (which were not responded to and you continued to edit) pointing to site policies, that is what I meant by "showing you policies." It was under my impression you read them, felt you didn't qualify, and then came and talked to me. Yes, you have a conflict of interest if you have currently/in the past had a friendship with any of these people or organizations. Key word is friendship, not passing by or small talk. You stated you personally worked with Hyman's father and classified yourself as a personal friend. If you personally worked with the Hagelin family to edit and change his Wikipedia page than that too would be a COI. No matter the year, you still have a conflict of interest. It is seen in your edits too where they aren't worded neutrally. I did not "roll back" but removed the edits you made (and a subsequent IP) because the edits were a) not worded neutrally and b) not sourced. I even said so in my edit summary. If the edits were sourced and worded neutrally nothing would have happened. I don't have a "God complex," I'm just following site policy. My assumptions are completely accurate, you have a conflict of interest and, not by my logic but per site policy, those with a conflict of interest should not update the pages they are conflicted in. Thank you. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Dallas Stars

I wasn't "being silly." That goal is still hotly contested to this day, therefore, an asterisks belongs next to any mention of their alleged championship.

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. If you look at Louisville Cardinals men's basketball you will see * because they were vacated by the NCAA. Just because some fans feel the Cup was underserved doesn't mean an * goes next to it. The Cup was awarded to them, they won it, and until it is vacated it should stay. Saying "they cheated" is not factual. It is more nuanced than that. Putting a * (in my opinion) would be putting too much weight on some people's opinions. See WP:Weight and take this issue to the articles talk page, Talk:Dallas Stars.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:44, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Oyuny Undra Group

Hello

My recent article submission has been rejected due to copyrighted material without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. I have copied from our own official website. How to create the article of our company? Please give me advice? (@HickoryOughtShirt?4:)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dujeedudu (talk • contribs) 07:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Dujeedudu: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. There are many problems here but I will break them down piece by piece. First of all, you cannot just copy and paste material onto Wikipedia. Even if the edits had not been copied they were not written neutrally and in a Wikipedia voice (ie. you use "our" and "we"). Secondly, you cannot use Wikipedia to promote your own company. That is not what Wikipedia is for. Since you have a conflict of interest, you should a) declare it on your userpage and b) not edit the page directly. If you want to create a page, which is strongly discouraged, make sure it passes our notability criteria first. Then you should create a draft and leave it in draft space until a un-involved editor has approved it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 07:23, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

im a new contributor

this is the first time to do my contribution to wikipedia.. im a collector for traditional art and antique from south east asia mainly from indonesia and malaysia. i live in kuching, sarawak, borneo.. im a big time collector and i have big numbers of artifacts, art and antiques to share, physical i have them in my own collection, visually i can provide photos of many items which i can see that they are not even in wikipedia.. you can check on my website https://borneoartifact.com although you can see that im a commercial, but i some knowledge which i can share here, especially in images which i can see many articles in here lack of.. the collectibles i can share, are from different tribes, dayak alone, can be divided into many subgroups.. although this article of dayak i can see that it is quite full and complete with information, but i can see that many articles about related tribes in borneo and south east asia are lack of images or non image to show with a very short description.. i hope you can give me a motivation to work on this and to lead me to how i can contribute without making any error.. i hope you can put back my contribution and consider deleting any small part of information which you think is inappropriate and inform me, rather than deleting all without appreciating and letting me learn how i can contribute in here.. i have stopped 2 days and gave up in this, but again tonight i browse wikipedia which i think there any many things apart from this article which i can contribute.. my intention is here, clean and clear and hope you can help me. again check my website https://borneoartifact.com i have been researching culture in borneo, where i live in for 15 years.. i have many images of artifacts that i would like to share — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asia culture (talk • contribs) 14:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Asia culture: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. The problem was, you were spamming a link across pages and not contributing any content. Wikipedia is not a collection of links and you cannot use Wikipedia to promote your website or any website for that matter. That is not what Wikipedia is for. You can check out our external link guidelines if you wish for more information. While I appreciate your job, if you continue to spam links across Wikipedia they may be WP:Blacklisted and you may be blocked. You are free to upload pictures you take yourself to Wikipedia but spamming links is not allowed. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 17:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Vance McDonald

As info, I looked this up. Conte was hurt on the play but there is nothing in the news stories about a career ending injury. Also, he is being discussed on the fantasy web sites as a possible pick up for late in the season. That would not happen six weeks after the event if his career was over. Donner60 (talk) 03:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Donner60: Thanks for double-checking. I did a quick google search and came to the same conclusion you did. The part that said "he ended Tampa Safety Chris Conte’s career" immediately threw me off as "ended so-and-so's" career is so often used in vandalism so I was already suspicious. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:39, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I should have known you would have checked this. Even the cited source simply describes the play. For some reason that simply popped into mind, I thought some backup on this one wouldn't hurt in case the user became argumentative. I think the user may be on a shared site; it looks as if some prior edits might be valid. Donner60 (talk) 03:49, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Donner60: I appreciate it , not in the mood for an argument tonight. Just want to watch the Canes beat the Hawks...hopefully! It probably is shared, it geolocates to University of Houston. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 03:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Request for Citation

Hi HickoryOughtShirt?4, thanks for your message about the needed citation specific to my recent edits. I've now included a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brent.cowing (talk • contribs) 21:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Brent.cowing: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for including a citation but it does not back up any of what you said. The citation doesn't even mention the name "James Daichendt." When writing about a living person it is essential we use reliable sources to back up what we are saying or else it cannot be included. Honestly, I doubt you will find a reliable source that says "He is recognized by his teammates on "Woods" as an excellent 3rd baseman and occasionally fills in at shortstop. He has also been commended for his choice of post-game snacks." This is also unimportant for someone's biography. If you can find a source saying he plays 3rd baseman maybe you can include this under personal life...but the wording will have to be more neutral (ie. don't say "excellent 3rd baseman") and remove this trivia about snacks. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:29, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Justin Boller

My entire life resume was deleted. I tried doing everything you have requested. Please help me resolve my page. Justin Boller. I will do whatever is needed to get it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdmproducer (talk • contribs) 22:12, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@Jdmproducer: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I can see this is distressing you but you have been warned about the guidelines for editing with a conflict of interest before this all happened. Thank you for admitting your conflict of interest but it needs to be declared on your userpage. As well, you should not create autobiographies per our Wikipedia:Conflict of interest behavioural guidelines. Please stop editing about yourself and clients. That is not what Wikipedia is for. I know you state "I will do whatever is needed to get it back" but you need to step back and stop editing about yourself or other topic you have a conflict of interest in. If you are truly notable (per our guidelines) than someone, unrelated to you, will eventually create a page. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Help with David Mobley (entrepreneur) Wikipedia Page

Hello HickoryOughtShirt?4,

Can you help me to fix the errors you see with the David Mobley (entrepreneur) Wikipedia Page? I would like to fix the banner error that is displaying the correct way but I am unsure of what I am doing wrong?

I originally linked the 'Air Freshener' Wiki Page to David Mobley (entrepreneur), as he is the current owner of Wonder Wafers International, a very big manufacturer of Air Fresheners (product) in the Air Freshener industry here in the United States. He does in fact own this business, which is why I linked the David Mobley (entrepreneur) Wikipedia Page to the newly created 'Wonder Wafers Air Fresheners' link that was included in the 'Air Freshener' Wiki Page. Please see this link https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-55996136.html

Please let me know what I can do to fix the banner error from being displayed on the David Mobley (entrepreneur) Wiki Page. Thank you for your help with this matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mobley_(entrepreneur) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_freshener

Daniel C — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielcraye (talk • contribs) 01:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Danielcraye: Hi Danielcraye and welcome to Wikipedia. You are discussing two separate issues here. First, we don't link to pages that do not have their own article, which is why I removed your link on Air freshener. If you feel Wonder Wafers International meets our WP:Notability criteria than please start a draft using WP:YFA.

Secondly, the banner on David Mobley (entrepreneur) will stay as long as the influence from COI editors continues. Looking in the history, "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject" is factual and this needs to be fixed before the template can be removed. The page needs major cleanup and removing the template saying "I have fixed the problem" when in fact you haven't is not constructive. Please understand that if you have a conflict of interest with Mobley please follow the guidelines I have left on your talk page. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Kemp

You changed information back to false information and highly biased sources which have been proven to not be true. I was only fixing the lies that you have let slide on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.85.117.244 (talk) 05:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When removing information that might be controversial, as in people would object to it, (especially +6,858 bytes of information) you should take it to the talk page. The talk page is to gain consensus on the removal, addition etc. of information as Wikipedia is built on collaboration. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I changed it because their is lies. the things wrote about him and it is a fact that is is not the gop canidate but the Governeor Elect which I sited my source. So the information about his being a canidate is no longer valid and is the reason I changed. Who ever else edited his page is highly biased using false and misleading sources. So if Wikipedia wants to keep fake news ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.85.117.244 (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Alright but you removed more than him just being a candidate. You removed +6,858 bytes of information regarding controversies he has been involved in. That is what I meant by controversial information. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

How can you not remove that much when the first thing I edited was just talking about him still being a candidate. which he is not. I then tried to removed the false or misleading stories in a different edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.85.117.244 (talk) 05:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Your first edit removed more than just him being a candidate. What I meant was, it was okay to say he wasn't a candidate anymore but removing information about him running was not okay. I think you were getting confused by what I am saying. Literally saying he is not a candidate is okay, removing everything else was not. You saying it is biased and misleading is something that should be discussed on the WP:Talk page. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:55, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok ill leave that for others to fight about. its 1am here in Georgia USA and im needing to get to sleep. Ill only change that he is now governer elect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.85.117.244 (talk) 05:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Help me please

There is wrong info on me on the preview page, I am not sure if I left you a message on the right page but I am the Laura M Fernandez who was born Inc madrid Spain and whonis a visual artist and singer songwriter pianist and broadcaster, someone put the other Laura Fernandez’s Info in my Wikipedia page ...and it shows that way in previews on google- my photos and her info ... please help me fix LauraMFernandez (talk) 06:28, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@LauraMFernandez: Hello LauraMFernandez and welcome to Wikipedia. Yes, you left me a message on the correct page but unfortunately, Wikipedia does not control what Google shows. In my experience, it should go away in a few days. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:31, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

I’ll keep an eye out. LauraMFernandez (talk) 13:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

add pictures and more data

how do i add pictures to the sight? I have the picture of him carving the union solider and of the Columbus staute. Also there is a newspaper article on the columbus statue listing pizzano as the sculptor I have a whole book of newspaper articles

add pictures and more data

how do i add pictures to the sight? I have the picture of him carving the union solider and of the Columbus staute. Also there is a newspaper article on the columbus statue listing pizzano as the sculptor I have a whole book of newspaper articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacecar1057 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Pacecar1057: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. In order for something to be notable, it must pass our Wikipedia:Notability criteria. Simply existing is not enough. It should have a Wikipedia article. If you want to create an article, you can create a draft using WP:YFA. Keep in mind, one newspaper likely won't show notability. You can cite newspapers using Template:Cite news. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 16:31, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Icelandic names are not usually lst names

That MOS SURNAME page specifically gives an example using an Iselandic name

Iceland's prime minister is Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir. Jóhanna was elected to the Althing in 1978.

See that they use the person's real name, not the parent's name?

Fog89 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

• Here, also refer to this page, which says to use real names for Icelanders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Icelandic_name Fog89 (talk) 05:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Fog89: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I am unfamiliar with Icelandic culture however the line above the example says "However, where a person does not have a surname but a patronymic...then the proper form of reference is usually the given name." The template you have linked to specifically says "This template is put at the top of a biographical article to explain to readers that Icelanders are referred to by their given name in the English-language Wikipedia and that patronymic is the norm, not a family name" however you changed the name throughout the article. I am looking at other Icelandic articles (like Íeda Herman) and they seem to either just use pronouns or their last name. I assume if Elsa G. Vilmundardóttir has a patronymic than that is okay. and I realize I am wrong now so I apologize for my misunderstanding. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

I have undone my edit. Thank you for taking the time to research and explaining this to me. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Bhagat Pipa

Hi. I accidentally reverted your revert but have corrected my error. Apologies S0091 (talk) 05:42, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

@S0091: No problem, we've all done that . Happy editing! HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:43, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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Remove Wiki Page due to Privacy

I want the wiki page removed as it violates my privacy.

Jayna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.121.242.22 (talk) 19:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. It is unlikely that a page about a notable person will be deleted just 'cause but I suggest you follow Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help, specifically the section titled "Overview." Please note that blanking the page is not the way to go if you want content deleted. You may need to contact our OTRS team and provide proof that you are Jayna as well. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 20:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Help

Hello @HickoryOughtShirt?4 I'm having trouble creating a wiki page ENEDAO.COM can you please fix the issue . Google it to know more about it — Preceding unsigned comment added by MasumHasan (talk • contribs) 06:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello @MasumHasan: and welcome to Wikipedia. I did google ENEDAO.COM before I placed the Speedy Delete template on the page and I found no secondary sources to prove notability. Now, this could be because it is too new but it could also just be a non-notable company. What is very evident is that you have a conflict of interest with this company and need to learn that Wikipedia is not a tool to promote your company. I left a similar message on Talk:ENEDAO.COM but having a Wikipedia page isn't always the best. Before you continue, please understand our conflict of interest policy where it is strongly recommended you stop this quest for a page. However, if you do want to create a page you should use Wikipedia:Articles for creation where other editors can review your page to make sure it is neutral and passes our Wikipedia:Notability requirements, which ENEDAO.COM does not currently do. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@HickoryOughtShirt?4: Thanks for your reply . I'll follow your instructions.

@MasumHasan: the same goes for Masum Hasan. You should not create autobiographies. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 07:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Mack Beggs info

Hello, I am actually engaged to Mack Beggs. And we would both like it if our relationship was put on his bio. Thank you have a wonderful day Kissesxo23 (talk) 02:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

@Kissesxo23: Hello Kissesxo23 and welcome to Wikipedia. The only problem with this is that the references you posted did not mention either the quote or an engagement announcement from what I could tell. If you can find reliable sources saying this is true could you please show me because I cannot find any on google. I also encourage you to read over the COI policy which I left on your page, along with the sourcing message. You should also check out the Wikipedia:Teahouse which is a help desk for new editors if you have questions regarding editing. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 02:24, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

If you were to go look at his instagram bio, and or Facebook. Both show it Kissesxo23 (talk) 17:16, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

@Kissesxo23: I checked the Facebook link you gave me and it doesn't even state he is in a relationship. Maybe it is hidden to the public? Scorlling through his Instagram there is a picture on Instagram with a long caption which includes heart emoji and a ring emoji but it doesn't say they are engaged or list the quote you give. Is it possible I am missing something? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

@Kissesxo23: I will keep looking when I have free time in about three hours. Wikipedia just needs a reference for our verifiability policy. It is really for Beggs own safety, so no one can make up facts. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

@Kissesxo23: So I did some hardcore googling and there really wasn't much on your engagement. This Instagram post is the best I can find and maybe your bio (which seems to be updated since I last check?). Facebook isn't the best source but you can probably use this for now too. The source you originally provided for me doesn't mention any engagement or the quote, which is why it can't be used, and for some reason his Facebook profile doesn't say he is engaged for me. It would of course be much prefered to have something that explicitly says "we got engaged on this-and-this date" but I obvious know you two aren't lying and I hope you understand I wasn't implying you were lying. It's really just to make sure everything is accurate. If content is posted on a biography of a living person (or anywhere really) without a source, or a source that verifies the content, there is no way to prove it is accurate. This has led to scenarios where another editor comes around and changes the content to a joke or something false and there is no way to verify the original content so it is all removed. I have had to refrain from posting things on Wikipedia that I know are true but I don't have proof to back it up because it's local knowledge etc. Anyways, I hope you continue editing Wikipedia and enjoying your time here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh dear

Thanks for that. I'm not sure which bit of Canada you are in but if it's the right-hand side then the distant thudding you might catch coming in from the sea is my head on my desk. I've had a go on the article Talk page, while also asking myself why we bother with this sometimes ... sheesh. Have a good afternoon, or whatever it is right now! Cheers DBaK (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered Well I guess what else are we boring editors to do with our time? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

True. I have no life at all unless I am typing words into this computing device. Actually, come to think of it I need that quote for my user page ... Cheers DBaK (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Alyssa Miller

Alyssa Miller confirmed her separation on Instagram but has since deleted the original post and posted a new one on her story. Please revert the edit as her page should be updated with the fact they are no longer together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielab1030 (talk • contribs) 05:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Noted

Thank you for your note about the Wiki Article on Asha Khadilkar and possible COI clauses. It is noted and I will not add any more information. But I would like to openly disclose the COI on the same Wiki Page. Is that valid thing to do? What other changes do I need to make to the Wiki Article client? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omkark27 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Omkark27 and thank you so much for wanting to follow our policies. Editors with COIs are allowed to edit but they need to follow some guidelines. Firstly, you will need to follow WP:DISCLOSE to disclose your COI. You do this by basically copying the template from WP:DISCLOSE onto your userpage (click the redlink where your username is) and add "connected contributor" to the articles talk page you have edited with your COI (basically just Asha Khadilkar). If you want to remove vandalism or make small edits like spelling corrections you can do so but larger edits should be requested on Talk:Asha Khadilkar by following the guidelines at Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request. This is so we can check their neutrality. I have already removed over 1,000 bytes of promotional content already from Khadilkar's page that did not follow our neutral point of view policy or were copied from her webpage without permission. Any other questions? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:31, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok you may completely DELETE the Wiki Article page for myself/Omkar Khadilkar. I was not fully aware of the guidelines, feel free to fully delete page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omkark27 (talk • contribs) 06:44, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@Omkark27: I really appreciate your efforts to follow our guidelines. For the future, if you want to create a page you have a COI with you should use Wikipedia:Articles for creation (or just don't create it, ha). If you have further questions do not be afraid to approach me, or if you maybe want a different editor or more opinions check out the WP:Teahouse or the Wikipedia:Help desk.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Karim City College, Jamshedpur

Hey man why you change the article of Karim City College, Jamshedpur Mobassirjam (talk) 07:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I did it per WP:OVERLINK. Per our manual of style we don't link years and the rest was just excessive. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 07:07, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

And user is now blocked as a suspected sock. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Youve started editing a lot of pages on my watchlist recently

And I greatly appreciate your work! Thanks! Jacona (talk) 11:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@JaconaFrere: Oh, well thank you . Always nice to connect with fellow editors. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 14:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

key control

I will revise what I wrote The information currently on the site tells one nothing about about this esoteric term. Thirty years go I wrote the only article that's ever been written on KEY CONTROL published in Security Management Magazine. To this day no one has written one any better. It seems the locksmith industry likes the system just fine the way it is...CHAOTIC.

ALOA Associated Locksmiths of America as I pointed out in my contribution has no opinion about key control. You'd think they could provide a written specification on sound key control, they can't and won't. I'd venture to say you don't know anything about the subject either. What's the point of having a key control section on Wiki if it tells ya nothing about the subject. The contributions there are esoteric to any lay person looking for information to learn about the subject. What's there is understandable by locksmiths.

What's posted as key control is worthless when in fact its a huge part of security. I spoke about my product without mentioning it by name .... generically its known as a KEYLESS LOCKBOX which means nothing to anyone, that's why it had to be explained in terms of its function. Go to my website ... www.keysure.net ... educate yourself. I wrote generically describing how the existing products function. KEYSURE is the wild card of the key control industry. It's the highest form of key control.

What specifically did you object to so I don't have to guess in my revision.LEONARDO SIDERI```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardotoo (talk • contribs) 15:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Leonardotoo and welcome to Wikipedia. I appreciate your expertise in this subject and you might want to consider joining one of our Wikiprojects like Wikipedia:WikiProject Metalworking. Moving on, the problem with what you wrote was that it wasn't written formally, as in, in Wikipedia tone. For example, you often used the words "You" and asked hypothetical questions. This is fine for a magazine but not for a formally written article. Secondly, you didn't cite any reliable sources except for the "KEYSURE.NET," and added with the informal tone, it made me think it was promotional. If you want to write about "KEYLESS LOCKBOX" you will need to adopt a formal, professional tone (think like a journal article) and secondary sources to prove it is a notable, significant topic. This is often difficult for new users to adjust to Wikipedia tone so I suggest editing other articles a bit more before jumping in to create a new article or any such major edits. If you have further queries do not be afraid to ask here or at the WP:Help desk. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Leonardotoo Also, I'm not sure how I forgot to mention this but you should not be using Wikipedia as a vehicle for promotion. You said you created the KEYLESS LOCKBOX and therefore have a conflict of interest. You should not be advertising this product on Wikipedia or stating a personal opinion about the Associated Locksmiths of America regarding your product. Please refrain from using Wikipedia to promote KEYLESS LOCKBOX or KEYSURE.NET. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Yo

You created Warren Foegele’s page that’s my mom’s favorite player Jadynmann (talk) 01:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jadynmann: Aw, that's nice. I wish he was doing better this year, he had such a good start to the season. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:32, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for responding!

Hello, I saw your thanks for the username warning on Oaklandhouse's user talk page and it drew my interest. Thanks for replying to that editor as I probably wouldn't have seen it and Wikipedia might have lost a productive editor. Happy Editing, Kb03 (talk) 21:16, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Need help For Article

SIR I NEEED YOUR HELP IN PUBLISHING MY ARTICLE ON GOOLGE — Preceding unsigned comment added by SAJID ALI THAHIM (talk • contribs) 07:01, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi SAJID ALI THAHIM and welcome to Wikipedia. I suggest you go to your talk page (User talk:SAJID ALI THAHIM) and read the advice about not making autobiographies for yourself. However, even if this was not an autobiography there is, unfortunately, no way Draft:Sajid Thahim will ever get published in its current state. There is not sign of notability (per WP:Notability) and there are no references. I suggest you stop trying to write articles about yourself, which seems to be your only purpose on Wikipedia. Writing articles are hard. I suggest you edit other articles first (check out our community portal for ideas) and drop this issue. Pursuing this topic will only end badly, such as a block. Please try and show you are not just here to promote yourself and you want to actually help us expand knowledge. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 07:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Camberwell Carrot

It is a real edit that needs t be made, not vandalism. Camberwell Carrot is an expression deriving from this film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.12.180 (talk) 05:25, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I realized it was not vandalism so that is why I did not warn you as such. If you look at the film's page there is no mention of Camberwell Carrot except for the quote of a reference. This does not allow readers to understand what it means. The page Camberwell Carrot current redirects to, does. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:30, 9 December 2018 (UTC)