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→‎Template:Hebrew: this RFD "broke the wiki" with respect to Modern Hebrew phonology, fixed by subst'ing on that page. Broader problem is that RfD on templates causes a 24,000-byte-or-so charge against the WP:PEIS limit, which is just a bit over 2,000,000. Eight calls and you are over the limit already.
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*'''This RFD broke the wiki''' or rather it caused [[Modern Hebrew phonology]] to exceed [[WP:PEIS|Wikipedia's post-expansion include size limit]] ("WP:PEIS"), causing '''each''' call to {{tl|Hebrew}} to go from under 200 bytes charged against the limit to over 20,000 bytes charged against the limit. I fixed the issue for this page by manually replacing each of the few-dozen uses with a call to {{tl|Script/Hebrew}}.
:The root cause is that the "RfD" template isn't sensitive to the fact that transcluding it will cause a huge charge against [[WP:PEIS]]. This is only a problem for templates that are used multiple times on a page or which are used on pages that are within 24,000 bytes or so of hitting the 2,000,000-byte-or-so limit already, which is probably why it's not been fixed. [[User:davidwr|davidwr]]/<small><small>([[User_talk:davidwr|talk]])/([[Special:Contributions/Davidwr|contribs]]) 🎄</small></small> 18:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


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Revision as of 18:32, 3 January 2021

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 29, 2020.

Ujilli

Delete as non-notable and not mentioned at the target page. These redirects may have been added when casting was announced; these characters were in the end not important. I just removed entries for four of them from the list ; [1] the last may never have been mentioned. – Fayenatic London 23:29, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:HEADLINE

In September 2020 an RfC was closed finding that headlines are unreliable. That RfC turns this essay into policy, effectively. The links WP:HEADLINE and WP:HEADLINES go to the essay, when really they should both go to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Headlines. I did not know this was incorporated into the guideline till I did some digging. If the targets were proper, it would be a lot easier. Naturally I expect WP:HEADLINE to go to the policy, if it exists. It going to the essay makes me think this isn't actually a PAG. I'm about to add a hatnote to that effect, but I think this should be retargeted to the PAG as well, in line with what Newslinger said in Special:Diff/972082506. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to WP:RSHEADLINES. Seems like an obvious fix. Schazjmd (talk) 20:04, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Websites

Unused in mainspace. Does not follow any of the banner standards (and their redirects). I suggest that we redirect to Template:URL exactly as Template:Website Magioladitis (talk) 19:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not used in talk namespace neither. It was a typo. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:33, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wsproj

Unused in mainspace talk space. Does not follow any of the banner standards (and their redirects). Magioladitis (talk) 19:23, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Of course it's unused in mainspace, it redirects to a talk page template. It has incomming links, is not in the way of anything else and is clearly related to the target. If you dislike it then feel free to get consensus to get a bot to replace it, but I see no valid reason to delete. Thryduulf (talk) 22:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I meant talk space. It was a typo. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The rest of my comment still applies, deletion is neither necessary nor beneficial. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protovis

Also the former name of D3.js 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 17:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is the suggestion being made? Redirect to the other article, deletion for being ambiguous, a two entry dab page?--65.92.160.124 (talk) 17:41, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer a dab page as I do not think there is a primary topic but i do not really care of what happens to the redirect 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 18:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Protovis is not D3js.
Protovis had its own code, approach, and community. Then the same author created D3js. Yug (talk) 20:23, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador

Delete. Not mentioned in the target article. This is part of a major cleanup where bodies of water have incorrectly been written up as settlements. Geschichte (talk) 09:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Glover's Harbour apparently used to be called Thimble Tickle according to List of giant squid specimens and sightings where Glover's Harbour is also mentioned. Perhaps these should be retargeted? Mdewman6 (talk) 00:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 17:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both. With further investigation, I see evidence for both a body of water ("Glovers Harbour" on Google maps) and for a designated place, and I believe Thimble Tickle Bay is an old name for Glovers Harbour. So perhaps the most rigorous thing to do would be to restore the 2009 stub at Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador and either send to AfD or improve, then retarget Glover's Harbour there or to Thimble Tickle Bay (which also has sourcing issues and should be considered at AfD or improved). Right now, red links are best here until properly sourced stubs can be developed, but perhaps that is a decision for a separate discussion at AfD. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resistance (Terminator)

The target mentions this a few times, but this isn't a likely search term, compared to the more commonly named disambiguation page. Was redirected long ago, after editorial consensus found nothing worth preserving. Jontesta (talk) 18:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 17:21, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket In China

Cricket is also played in mainland China. Retargeting to Chinese Cricket Association or China national cricket team would be workable, but I think that deleting to encourage article creation may be the best option. signed, Rosguill talk 17:10, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to me that most of the writing people have done on Chinese cricket on Wikipedia concentrates on those two articles you linked to. I doubt those people will make a full-fleshed Cricket in China article, since it seems unlikely any major developments in Chinese cricket will happen anytime soon to necessitate that (Cricket's appearance in the 2010 Asian Games in China was followed by little activity, so its appearance in the 2022 Asian Games in China likely won't be either). So I'd vote for keeping the redirect, but changing the target if you prefer that. GreekApple123 (talk) 19:55, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Average attendance

Attendance does not necessarily refer to sports event attendance, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:04, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hebrew

Replace by the target and then delete As stated below regarding Template:Arabic, templates with the name of a language for the most part do not exist. Those that do exist redirect to a template about the language, not to a script template. In addition, the present redirect is misleading, since the target is per its documentation specifically not intended for text in the Hebrew language (only text in other languages expressed in Hebrew script). We could of course redirect to Template:Hebrew language, but I think that simply deleting is the better option. This nomination is part of a cleanup operation, which included so far the deletion of Template:Lang-he-n and improvements to the documentation page of Template:Script/Hebrew. And just in case anybody would ask, since the target is not intended for text in the Hebrew language, why should we replace an incorrectly used template redirect by another incorrect template, the answer is because cleaning up the many incorrect transclusions of Template:Script/Hebrew and replacing them by Template:Lang-he is the next and final step of this cleanup operation. Debresser (talk) 02:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the mechanics of this redirect, but it broke existing pages, e.g. Unicode and HTML for the Hebrew alphabet. Perhaps don't redirect until a fix is ready? Aryeh Sanders 15:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.54.87 (talk)
The problem at Unicode and HTML for the Hebrew alphabet came from another template, Template:Unicode chart Hebrew. It was solved by replacing Template:Hebrew by Template:Script/Hebrew.[2] Apparently the Rfd notice which wrapped itself around Template:Hebrew caused this problem.[3] Debresser (talk) 16:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It also seems to be causing problems in Hebrew alphabet; every template starting in the middle of Hebrew alphabet#Dagesh appears as a link. It looks like maybe some sort of limit is being hit; the problem doesn't appear when editing and previewing a section, and replacing a few Template:Hebrew with Template:Script/Hebrew before that point and clicking "Preview" will cause more templates to appear correctly; however, the notice on Template:Hebrew says not to replace the redirected links. ~User:chridd [[tʃɹɪ|Special:Contributions]] 00:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As soon as the nomination is approved and implemented, this issue will disappear. I replaced all of them on that specific page[4] and the issue disappeared. Debresser (talk) 02:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The template, Lang-he-n was supposed to clearly display Hebrew texts that use the diacritics. Not sure if it redirected to script/Hebrew, but I should note that the n in the name of the template abbreviated nikud which are normally hard to see without special fonts. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although this does not relate directly to this nomination, I am happy to tell you that this very same issue you raise, and with which I agree, is currently being discussed at Template_talk:Lang-he#Unreadable_nikud. Debresser (talk) 22:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seventyfiveyears (talk) 15:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The root cause is that the "RfD" template isn't sensitive to the fact that transcluding it will cause a huge charge against WP:PEIS. This is only a problem for templates that are used multiple times on a page or which are used on pages that are within 24,000 bytes or so of hitting the 2,000,000-byte-or-so limit already, which is probably why it's not been fixed. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 18:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Archibasilica

Term not mentioned in target. (Also, given target section non-existent.) Hildeoc (talk) 00:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Elizium23: information Note: There is Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran, but the correct term – as given in the lemma – is Archbasilica (not Archibasilica) …--Hildeoc (talk) 00:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Correct" term depends on the language - archibasilica is Italian. Elizium23 (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is the English Wikipedia …--Hildeoc (talk) 01:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seventyfiveyears (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bangkok Metro

The article was originally created at Bangkok Metro, and has been an R from move since 2010. The redirect is technically incorrect, though, as "Bangkok Metro" is the name of the operating company Bangkok Metro Public Company Limited, not the rail system. Are readers more likely to expect "Bangkok Metro" to refer (correctly) to the company (which is now known as Bangkok Expressway and Metro), or a (commonly misused) name of the MRT (Bangkok) rail system? To complicate things further, "Bangkok metro" may also be used to refer generally to all the rapid transit systems in the city, content concerning which is currently a jumbled split-up mess between Rail transport in Bangkok and Mass Rapid Transit Master Plan in Bangkok Metropolitan Region. Paul_012 (talk) 12:15, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Moderator

I have rarely, if ever, seen this term be used on Wikipedia. I know on other sites "moderator" can be synonymous with "administrator", but anyone can moderate content without admin rights. At the best this page should be retargeted to Wikipedia:Administrators, but at the worst this redirect should be deleted. Aasim (talk) 11:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Flag of Jubaland

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Speedy deleted as G7. (Non-admin closure) --Paul_012 (talk) 12:18, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Its a cross-namespace redirect Heesxiisoleh (talk) 10:55, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Time of assertion

A redirect to a DAB page, whose only use in WP is the circular link in the target. Delete. Narky Blert (talk) 10:27, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy Hannah

Lucy Hannah's age was recently invalidated by expert genealogical research,[5] and accordingly her name was removed from the redirect target: List of American supercentenarians.[6] The original article had already been deleted in November 2018 for lack of notability. I believe we should now delete this redirect entry as well. — JFG talk 08:53, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Curiosity killed the cat

It appears that this redirect was created as part of a proposed merge to WP:BEANS, as shown by the page's history, and the essay that was previously there appears to be closest to WP:BEANS, but it was redirected to WP:BOLD, which essentially has the opposite meaning that the original page had. JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 02:44, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Duolingo tree

No mention of trees at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 22:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Bedoon of Kuwait (stateless people)

This is left over from an undiscussed move that I reverted. The article, at Bidoon (social class), discusses a group of people spread over several countries, not restricted to Kuwait. I don't think anybody's going to search for what is essentially a doubly disambiguated title like this. Largoplazo (talk) 01:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

This could refer to either the 1977 compilation film The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh or the similarly titled 1988 TV series The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. As such, this redirect should either be turned into a disambiguation page or deleted entirely. IceWalrus236 (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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