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Second impeachment

House Democrats are beginning the drafting of new articles of impeachment against Trump. Should we start a new article, Second impeachment process against Donald Trump? Nixinova T C 20:44, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's already 2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump, which should probably be cut down and merged into Efforts to impeach Donald Trump. I believe Congress went into recess for the next two weeks, so it appears highly unlikely to proceed. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is happening tomorrow. IbexNu (talk) 04:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fact in third paragraph of lead

Can someone point me to the content in the body which repeats the following information in the third paragraph of the lead: This [...] marked the first fully partisan impeachment where a U.S. president was impeached without support for the impeachment from the President's own party? I'm struggling to find it. — Bilorv (talk) 20:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

this article should be renamed First Impeachment of Donald Trump

It has been confirmed that the House will impeach Trump again this Monday, January 11. Therefore, this article should be renamed First Impeachment of Donald Trump.

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-capitol-riots-us-b1784945.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1610224417 Shamaflama (talk) 20:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They need to vote on it yet. It's a lengthier process than an up-down vote. If we need to make this change, we need to wait until after Trump is impeached again (see WP:CRYSTAL). EvergreenFir (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shamaflama, the current situation is the 2nd impeachment info is in the article 2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump. We have a hatnote in this article for that. I suspect that article will eventually get renamed to Second impeachment of Donald Trump. At that time, it would probably be a good time to rename this one to first impeachment, as you suggest. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:CRYSTAL we should not refer to this as the "first" impeachment unless and until there is a second. — Bilorv (talk) 21:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should be “2019 Impeachment”. Using the year is more in line with Wikipedia guidelines of events AlienChex (talk) 02:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2nd Impeachment of Donald Trump

Started a related article here: 2nd Impeachment of Donald Trump Casprings (talk) 23:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like that one sentence stub you started was turned into a redirect to 2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump from office on grounds that it was a "duplicate article with no extra content".[1] Any further comments on this should probably be made on Talk:2021 efforts to remove Donald Trump from office#2nd Impeachment of Donald Trump. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move page as soon as second impeachment occurs

Starting a discussion here to build consensus on whether this page should be moved to First impeachment of Donald Trump so that it can be quickly moved as soon as that name is correct. Nixinova T C 19:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This seems fairly obvious to me. Like I said in a similar section on the second impeachment's page, the proceedings already have started, and the House is voting on it this Wednesday. We can go forward with this. Nekomancerjade (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support if and only if the second impeachment occurs, as proposed. — Bilorv (talk) 01:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but only if the full House passes the article of impeachment. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:25, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support upon passage of the articles (presumably tomorrow). I would also consider "2019–2020 Impeachment of Donald Trump". But future Presidents might have multiple impeachments all entirely within the same year, so that would be less general. IbexNu (talk) 04:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to First Impeachment or 2019 Impeachment

Should Trump be impeached a second time, this article will need to be renamed to be able to differentiate. Even if Trump is not fully impeached, I’ve noticed traffic to this page has been increasing over the past few days simply because people are getting confused as the title simply says “Impeachment of DT”, even though this is the first one. The page should be renamed to First Impeachment or 2019 Impeachment of Donald Trump AlienChex (talk) 02:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AlienChex, this is a repost. Feel free to join the discussion in the section above. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer the formatting of "First impeachment..." and "Second impeachment...", similar to our article formatting on articles such as First inauguration of Barack Obama and Second inauguration of Barack Obama. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"First" would be better than identifying it by year. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 January 2021

The request to rename this article to First impeachment of Donald Trump has been carried out.

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Impeachment of Donald Trump → First impeachment of Donald Trump – As Trump's second impeachment process is beginning, it may help to distinguish that this article is about the first impeachment. Hans van Mol 14:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chsdrummajor07 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait - He has not been officially impeached. Once he is, yes. This article should be changed to the "First impeachment of Donald Trump" GyozaDumpling (talk) 14:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At what moment will he officially be impeached? When the House has voted, or is there some subsequent process that will then take place? - Tournesol (talk) 15:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now, will support if Trump is impeached again. If the house votes to impeach Trump, then I would support this move, but for now, my position is that the move should not take place right now. Interstellarity (talk) 16:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the House actually passes the article of impeachment. There's no reason to rush. Doing so arguably violates WP:CRYSTAL. Waiting could arguably be deemed educational for the many people who do not understand how impeachment works who might think he's already been impeached (and he was, but that was a totally separate proceeding). While it seems certain that the House will pass it sometime today, there's no way to know for certain until it actually happens. There's always the chance of something bizarre or unexpected happening to delay the vote. 1995hoo (talk) 16:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support a name change once the House vote is concluded a few hours from now. XOR'easter (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't Impeachment of Donald Trump (2019) better? Neutrality^talk 17:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, I could go either way on that. It might be more in line with Wikipedia's house style for disambiguation, but the event itself did stretch from 2019 into 2020. XOR'easter (talk) 17:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, it should be "First impeachment..." and "Second impeachment..." Natural disambiguation is preferable to parenthetical disambiguation and is consistent with the style of other similar article titles such as First inauguration of Barack Obama and Second inauguration of Barack Obama. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per 1995hoo (talk · contribs), then SupportTheleekycauldron (talk) 18:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support if/when the full House passes a new article of impeachment against Trump. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's not a matter of "if", they do have the votes. A vote is expected between 3-4pm today Eastern time. The brave celery (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative 2019 Impeachment of DT or similar. SPECIFICO talk 18:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"First impeachment..." is better than using the year. In a few years, most people aren't going to remember what years the first impeachment and second impeachment took place, especially since the actual impeachment trial didn't happen until 2020. If we use dates, we'd have a 2019 impeachment and a 2020 impeachment trial, which is potentially confusing. Better to just do first impeachment and first impeachment trial as the titles. Trying to use the date in the title as a disambiguator just makes everything more complicated. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support per arguments by User:Rreagan007 — if the second impeachment is passed by the House, then this article should be First Impeachment of Donald Trump, and Efforts to impeach... should perhaps be renamed to Second Impeachment of Donald Trump. -Mardus /talk 20:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - As per above -- Camilo Sánchez Talk to me 20:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 *:"First impeachment..." is better than using the year. In a few years, most people aren't going to remember what years the first impeachment and second impeachment took place, especially since the actual [[Impeachment trial of Donald Trump|impeachment trial]] didn't happen until 2020. If we use dates, we'd have a 2019 impeachment and a 2020 impeachment trial, which is potentially confusing. Better to just do first impeachment and first impeachment trial as the titles. Trying to use the date in the title as a disambiguator just makes everything more complicated. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 18:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * '''Conditional support''' per arguments by User:Rreagan007 &mdash; if the second impeachment is passed by the House, then this article should be ''First Impeachment of Donald Trump'', and ''Efforts to impeach...'' should perhaps be renamed to ''Second Impeachment of Donald Trump''. -<span style="text-shadow:7px 5px 7px #409fff;">[[User:Mardus|Mardus]] <small>/[[User talk:Mardus|talk]]</small></span> 20:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
-* '''Wait''' - As per above --[[Special:Contributions/2603:7081:5500:A4CD:7CC4:D418:E594:7B17|2603:7081:5500:A4CD:7CC4:D418:E594:7B17]] ([[User talk:2603:7081:5500:A4CD:7CC4:D418:E594:7B17|talk]]) 20:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
+* '''Wait''' - As per above -- <span style="font-family:Times new roman;font-weight:bold; font-size:14px">[[User:Camilo Sanchez|Camilo S&aacute;nchez]]</span> <span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10px">[[User_talk:Camilo Sanchez|Talk to me]]</span> 20:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)